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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2012, 01:24:16 PM »

This is without a doubt one of the stupidest threads I've ever had the displeasure of reading with the lion's share of the posts done by (of course) two of the biggest trolls on this board.
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2012, 02:11:30 PM »

This is without a doubt one of the stupidest threads I've ever had the displeasure of reading with the lion's share of the posts done by (of course) two of the biggest trolls on this board.
Jas, Thank you for addressing this issue. I am finished posting in this thread.
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2012, 02:28:33 PM »

I see it as Common Sense versus Idiocy.

What a totally charitable, not at all noxiously self-serving outlook!
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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2012, 07:34:14 PM »

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He was a real dick to lyricist Van Dyke Parks during the Smile era, and even 20 years later, took a cheap shot at him on the “Wipeout” single the Beach Boys did with the Fat Boys.


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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2012, 07:44:02 PM »

I'm pretty sure Mike had nothing to do with Wipeout, isn't that just a Fat Boys track with wall-of-Brain vocals?
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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2012, 08:28:50 PM »

Why would anyone want to hear what Stephen Love has to say?  He just made himself look like a huge crook with that posting.  Maybe he didn't fit the legal definition of embezzlement or somehow wriggled out of it, but I think living in luxury in your client's "real estate investment" does in fact constitute a breach of fiduciary duty, to say the least.
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« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2012, 08:35:34 PM »

This is without a doubt one of the stupidest threads I've ever had the displeasure of reading with the lion's share of the posts done by (of course) two of the biggest trolls on this board.

Sock it to 'em.
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« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2012, 08:48:06 PM »

On Chinese blogs and message boards, there are people called "wu mao dang" (50 cent party). It is said that they are given 50 cents for every time they shoot down a post that says something negative about the Communist Party.

It seems that Mike has a similar group of defenders here. I'd suggest that Mike is paying them each 50 cents a post, but we all know that he'd take at least a half of that for his co-writing credit.

Remember, kids -- taking cheap shots at the motives of people who disagree with you makes your argument a sure-fire winner.

And bonus points if you can accuse the other side of being predictable when you're *bashing Mike Love*.  :-)

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« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2012, 10:27:32 PM »

On Chinese blogs and message boards, there are people called "wu mao dang" (50 cent party). It is said that they are given 50 cents for every time they shoot down a post that says something negative about the Communist Party.

It seems that Mike has a similar group of defenders here. I'd suggest that Mike is paying them each 50 cents a post, but we all know that he'd take at least a half of that for his co-writing credit.

Yeah, this is a well trod road. A long and winding road. But when I read Danimalist's post I shnorted Diet Pepsi out me nose...

I dig it. Mike is Dr. Love, not Dr. Eeeevil. But there sure are some apologists in his corner around here, endemic of the fault lines that continue to lurk just below the surface of this bad ass band. And that's okay - because earthquakes usually happen decades apart. While everything's nice and calm, let's have another album (make it a rocker) and continue building villas on the sides of mountains. Fun is in, it's no sin.
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« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2012, 11:34:14 PM »

On Chinese blogs and message boards, there are people called "wu mao dang" (50 cent party). It is said that they are given 50 cents for every time they shoot down a post that says something negative about the Communist Party.

It seems that Mike has a similar group of defenders here. I'd suggest that Mike is paying them each 50 cents a post, but we all know that he'd take at least a half of that for his co-writing credit.

Yeah, this is a well trod road. A long and winding road. But when I read Danimalist's post I shnorted Diet Pepsi out me nose...

I dig it. Mike is Dr. Love, not Dr. Eeeevil. But there sure are some apologists in his corner around here, endemic of the fault lines that continue to lurk just below the surface of this bad ass band. And that's okay - because earthquakes usually happen decades apart. While everything's nice and calm, let's have another album (make it a rocker) and continue building villas on the sides of mountains. Fun is in, it's no sin.

Ah...finally some sweet sanity on the board. And someone clever enough to know the difference between trolling and sarcasm.
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« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2012, 11:59:51 PM »

On Chinese blogs and message boards, there are people called "wu mao dang" (50 cent party). It is said that they are given 50 cents for every time they shoot down a post that says something negative about the Communist Party.

It seems that Mike has a similar group of defenders here. I'd suggest that Mike is paying them each 50 cents a post, but we all know that he'd take at least a half of that for his co-writing credit.

Yeah, this is a well trod road. A long and winding road. But when I read Danimalist's post I shnorted Diet Pepsi out me nose...

I dig it. Mike is Dr. Love, not Dr. Eeeevil. But there sure are some apologists in his corner around here, endemic of the fault lines that continue to lurk just below the surface of this bad ass band. And that's okay - because earthquakes usually happen decades apart. While everything's nice and calm, let's have another album (make it a rocker) and continue building villas on the sides of mountains. Fun is in, it's no sin.

I find the term "apologists" being used to describe fans who actually like Mike to be a tad bit hypocritical.  To praise Brian and Dennis to the high heavens requires quite a truckload of apology and forgiveness, wouldn't you say?
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« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2012, 12:20:25 AM »

On Chinese blogs and message boards, there are people called "wu mao dang" (50 cent party). It is said that they are given 50 cents for every time they shoot down a post that says something negative about the Communist Party.

It seems that Mike has a similar group of defenders here. I'd suggest that Mike is paying them each 50 cents a post, but we all know that he'd take at least a half of that for his co-writing credit.

Yeah, this is a well trod road. A long and winding road. But when I read Danimalist's post I shnorted Diet Pepsi out me nose...

I dig it. Mike is Dr. Love, not Dr. Eeeevil. But there sure are some apologists in his corner around here, endemic of the fault lines that continue to lurk just below the surface of this bad ass band. And that's okay - because earthquakes usually happen decades apart. While everything's nice and calm, let's have another album (make it a rocker) and continue building villas on the sides of mountains. Fun is in, it's no sin.

I find the term "apologists" being used to describe fans who actually like Mike to be a tad bit hypocritical.  To praise Brian and Dennis to the high heavens requires quite a truckload of apology and forgiveness, wouldn't you say?

Definitely. We're dealing with some pretty flawed people here (aren't we all?), but given their upbringing and the time period, it's hardly surprising. Unlike others here, who claim to "love" band members or the band itself, it's the music I love, not the people. And the music I love tends to be that with the least input from Mike, including the best parts (IMHO) of the new album. Personally, I'm a lot more similar to Mike (never drank or did drugs, for example), but there is something about his self-promotion, manner and wording of his opinions that really turns me off. But that doesn't mean I "hate" Mike; I don't know him. Nor that I love Brian. However, as I wrote for my Facebook status on his 70th birthday: "Happy 70th to the man who has brought me greater joy throughout my life than anyone else!" It is Brian that created those melodies, those harmonies, those productions...using the tools available to him, that have so positively impacted my life. If Mike Love has done that for you, great. I'd question your taste, but, whatever. Brian has done that for me, often despite Mike, not because Mike was a (what we call in social sciences) a "necessary condition."
What the rest of the band gave me are the gorgeous harmonies, that it seems only family members are capable of (the Carters, the Everlys, the Bee Gees, hell, even the Gatlin brothers)...something, I've always guessed, about shared tonal qualities. But those are tools that Brian used, much like he used the tremendous talents of the Wrecking Crew.
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« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2012, 12:22:12 AM »

The truth lies somewhere between the two extremes being proffered here, and my opinion of him is evolving somewhat. Love's heartfelt comments at the Grammy Museum event were telling, and illuminated the multifaceted nature of his relationship with the group as a whole. He is a ham, which enables him to be comfortable onstage and entertaining, which the audience mostly enjoys, even if many also find his antics smarmy and annoyingly cutesy (the drawn-out opening to Be True to Your School? Insufferable IMO)

 He has also shaped and pushed the band toward his desired, mostly lightweight image relentlessly over the years, away from the progressive direction that the Wilson brothers were fighting for throughout most of the '70s, only reluctantly ceding a degree of hegemony to Brian and Al on the setlist, with these concessions wrested from his iron fist with great effort. He obviously is at least somewhat fond of the deeper cuts, as shown by his reactions to CA Saga's performances and his willing participation in the more serious work during the late '60s- early '70s  (with the exception of most of SMiLE, which he admires but is loathe to give too much credit to because doing so would be admitting both that it was beyond him lyrically and that he made a bad call by playing a significant role in creating a negative environment around the recording of it, two things he is not able to publicly acknowledge), but he is determined to give them as close to an obligatory role in the current tour as he can get away with (witness "It's O.K."s inclusion, a mediocre track at best but fitting his vision of the band's ideal, more commercial image).

There is an element of reactionary revisionism in the relatively recent, almost wholesale embrace of him by many, but some rehabilitation of his image is deserved, reluctant as I am to award it to the main Clean Liver (nothing wrong with that in and of itself, unless it inhibits creativity and progressive songwriting) who, along with Bruce and a now remorseful Al Jardine, steered the band towards becoming a nostalgia act in the mid-to-late '70s and thereafter.
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« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2012, 03:42:01 AM »

I thought the more interesting comments were from Mike's daughter, Ambha.  By no means am I Mike Love's biggest fan but in no way is he a horrible person and when a 15 year old girl comes to the defense of her father like that, you have to respect her.  Good for her.
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« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2012, 04:13:39 AM »

Best troll thread ever.
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« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2012, 05:29:15 AM »

The truth lies somewhere between the two extremes being proffered here, and my opinion of him is evolving somewhat. Love's heartfelt comments at the Grammy Museum event were telling, and illuminated the multifaceted nature of his relationship with the group as a whole. He is a ham, which enables him to be comfortable onstage and entertaining, which the audience mostly enjoys, even if many also find his antics smarmy and annoyingly cutesy (the drawn-out opening to Be True to Your School? Insufferable IMO)

 He has also shaped and pushed the band toward his desired, mostly lightweight image relentlessly over the years, away from the progressive direction that the Wilson brothers were fighting for throughout most of the '70s, only reluctantly ceding a degree of hegemony to Brian and Al on the setlist, with these concessions wrested from his iron fist with great effort. He obviously is at least somewhat fond of the deeper cuts, as shown by his reactions to CA Saga's performances and his willing participation in the more serious work during the late '60s- early '70s  (with the exception of most of SMiLE, which he admires but is loathe to give too much credit to because doing so would be admitting both that it was beyond him lyrically and that he made a bad call by playing a significant role in creating a negative environment around the recording of it, two things he is not able to publicly acknowledge), but he is determined to give them as close to an obligatory role in the current tour as he can get away with (witness "It's O.K."s inclusion, a mediocre track at best but fitting his vision of the band's ideal, more commercial image).

There is an element of reactionary revisionism in the relatively recent, almost wholesale embrace of him by many, but some rehabilitation of his image is deserved, reluctant as I am to award it to the main Clean Liver (nothing wrong with that in and of itself, unless it inhibits creativity and progressive songwriting) who, along with Bruce and a now remorseful Al Jardine, steered the band towards becoming a nostalgia act in the mid-to-late '70s and thereafter.
  Wow.."It's O.K." rocks..great fade
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« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2012, 06:50:03 AM »

Best troll thread ever.



Mix WELL, Sir Leonard.

All kidding aside, it was interesting to hear Steve's take on the whole lawsuit thing. Granted, it's one side of the issue but still interesting. Didn't the Gaines book speak of how the managers of this band never seemed to leave under pleasant circumstances back in the day? I'm remembering some kerfuffle over Nick Grillo's departure.
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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2012, 08:53:42 AM »

it's because they unplugged the phone and didn't take his calls!
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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2012, 08:57:55 AM »

it's because they unplugged the phone and didn't take his calls!

Hmm, maybe that's why there were no calls from him in Be Here In The Morning.
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« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2012, 12:01:01 PM »

yeah, that's the joke. the line before that is "stay in on the weekend and unplug the phone".
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« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2012, 12:07:27 PM »

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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2012, 12:55:04 PM »

On Chinese blogs and message boards, there are people called "wu mao dang" (50 cent party). It is said that they are given 50 cents for every time they shoot down a post that says something negative about the Communist Party.

It seems that Mike has a similar group of defenders here. I'd suggest that Mike is paying them each 50 cents a post, but we all know that he'd take at least a half of that for his co-writing credit.

Yeah, this is a well trod road. A long and winding road. But when I read Danimalist's post I shnorted Diet Pepsi out me nose...

I dig it. Mike is Dr. Love, not Dr. Eeeevil. But there sure are some apologists in his corner around here, endemic of the fault lines that continue to lurk just below the surface of this bad ass band. And that's okay - because earthquakes usually happen decades apart. While everything's nice and calm, let's have another album (make it a rocker) and continue building villas on the sides of mountains. Fun is in, it's no sin.

I find the term "apologists" being used to describe fans who actually like Mike to be a tad bit hypocritical.  To praise Brian and Dennis to the high heavens requires quite a truckload of apology and forgiveness, wouldn't you say?

Definitely. We're dealing with some pretty flawed people here (aren't we all?), but given their upbringing and the time period, it's hardly surprising. Unlike others here, who claim to "love" band members or the band itself, it's the music I love, not the people. And the music I love tends to be that with the least input from Mike, including the best parts (IMHO) of the new album. Personally, I'm a lot more similar to Mike (never drank or did drugs, for example), but there is something about his self-promotion, manner and wording of his opinions that really turns me off. But that doesn't mean I "hate" Mike; I don't know him. Nor that I love Brian. However, as I wrote for my Facebook status on his 70th birthday: "Happy 70th to the man who has brought me greater joy throughout my life than anyone else!" It is Brian that created those melodies, those harmonies, those productions...using the tools available to him, that have so positively impacted my life. If Mike Love has done that for you, great. I'd question your taste, but, whatever. Brian has done that for me, often despite Mike, not because Mike was a (what we call in social sciences) a "necessary condition."
What the rest of the band gave me are the gorgeous harmonies, that it seems only family members are capable of (the Carters, the Everlys, the Bee Gees, hell, even the Gatlin brothers)...something, I've always guessed, about shared tonal qualities. But those are tools that Brian used, much like he used the tremendous talents of the Wrecking Crew.


Well, that's very well put. And yes, we are all flawed, so this understanding makes it difficult for me to stand back with my arms forded and judge Mike to the nth degree. I'd say the Beach Boys as a whole have done for me what Brian's done for you. Now, when I say The Beach Boys as a whole. of course I mean mainly Brian. Then again I am quite fond of each and everything the band has ever given us, therefore I'd have to rate Mike highly as well. So there's no accounting for taste.  Huh
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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2012, 02:05:44 PM »

I'm highly sceptical that all [or even any] of the people claiming to be posting there are really the people they claim to be. However, I do have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale- cheap - that might interest some of you.
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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2012, 02:18:55 PM »

The truth lies somewhere between the two extremes being proffered here, and my opinion of him is evolving somewhat. Love's heartfelt comments at the Grammy Museum event were telling, and illuminated the multifaceted nature of his relationship with the group as a whole. He is a ham, which enables him to be comfortable onstage and entertaining, which the audience mostly enjoys, even if many also find his antics smarmy and annoyingly cutesy (the drawn-out opening to Be True to Your School? Insufferable IMO)

 He has also shaped and pushed the band toward his desired, mostly lightweight image relentlessly over the years, away from the progressive direction that the Wilson brothers were fighting for throughout most of the '70s, only reluctantly ceding a degree of hegemony to Brian and Al on the setlist, with these concessions wrested from his iron fist with great effort. He obviously is at least somewhat fond of the deeper cuts, as shown by his reactions to CA Saga's performances and his willing participation in the more serious work during the late '60s- early '70s  (with the exception of most of SMiLE, which he admires but is loathe to give too much credit to because doing so would be admitting both that it was beyond him lyrically and that he made a bad call by playing a significant role in creating a negative environment around the recording of it, two things he is not able to publicly acknowledge), but he is determined to give them as close to an obligatory role in the current tour as he can get away with (witness "It's O.K."s inclusion, a mediocre track at best but fitting his vision of the band's ideal, more commercial image).

There is an element of reactionary revisionism in the relatively recent, almost wholesale embrace of him by many, but some rehabilitation of his image is deserved, reluctant as I am to award it to the main Clean Liver (nothing wrong with that in and of itself, unless it inhibits creativity and progressive songwriting) who, along with Bruce and a now remorseful Al Jardine, steered the band towards becoming a nostalgia act in the mid-to-late '70s and thereafter.

I gotta also ask: based upon the above quote: as a fan, do you stop at say, say Friends or Sunflower and beyond when it was clearly not just Brian using tools to achieve greatness? Is there a point when you give it up for the other guys as valid artists in their own right even if the output run contrary to your personal tastes? I'm just trying to understand certain points of view which continue to throw me.
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« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2012, 05:40:05 PM »

Ambah or whatever the name is ... just made a lot of people look like idiots. It is 2012 and the Beach Boys are back together ... fucking enjoy it and stop bitching about the past.
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