Hey, Mike Love!

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Well one opinion stirs another, so the conversation goes on.....

I'm not trying to call anyone an idiot, nor have I.

Oh no, I wouldn't want you to think I thought that. But the word has been used in this thread.

It is annoying, and please try and understand that I mean this when I say there are genuine Mike fans out there and for such creatures: constantly feeling the need to defend him or inflate our own opinions of the guy is extremely tiresome. Part of this is Mike's fault sure, but in a way, the constant Mike bashing/second guessing feels like someone trying to break the family apart....... Odd analogy maybe, but it fits.....

I understand. From my perspective though, it is frustrating to see how far people are willing to defend him. Nevertheless, I have come to accept it. And I would say, as far as breaking up the family goes, I do think the Boys can handle it. While things could indeed break them apart (and have), I don't think the message boards necessarily had anything to do with it!

Or do we have that kind of power...? And if we do, can we get Mike to play with Peter and Mickey?

[Letsgoawayforawhile]

I just want to know when Mike is gonna sue Paul for not being credited on that song?

 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Well one opinion stirs another, so the conversation goes on.....

I'm not trying to call anyone an idiot, nor have I.

Oh no, I wouldn't want you to think I thought that. But the word has been used in this thread.

It is annoying, and please try and understand that I mean this when I say there are genuine Mike fans out there and for such creatures: constantly feeling the need to defend him or inflate our own opinions of the guy is extremely tiresome. Part of this is Mike's fault sure, but in a way, the constant Mike bashing/second guessing feels like someone trying to break the family apart....... Odd analogy maybe, but it fits.....

I understand. From my perspective though, it is frustrating to see how far people are willing to defend him. Nevertheless, I have come to accept it. And I would say, as far as breaking up the family goes, I do think the Boys can handle it. While things could indeed break them apart (and have), I don't think the message boards necessarily had anything to do with it!

Or do we have that kind of power...? And if we do, can we get Mike to play with Peter and Mickey?

I still want "The Beatle Boys"

Paul on bass/vocals, Ringo on drums/vocals, Brian on piano/vocals, Al/David on guitar/vocals, Mike on vocals, and Bruce on..... Bruce.

[KittyKat]

I'm not even sure what the point of this thread is.  The OP asked for positives about Mike, but he made his opinion clear by posting a link to a photo of Dennis Wilson flipping the bird at Mike.  Then people who even vaguely defend Mike or are just tired of hearing about it are accused of going to great lengths to defend the devil Mike Love.  It gets old and it's not Mike Love who gets hurt, he doesn't read these message boards, it's the posters who get personal with each other. Though I'm sure yet another top-post thread will begin with the same theme.

[Letsgoawayforawhile]

I DO want positives about Mike.
I posted that picture because it's awesome, and also, because that's the preconceived notion of Mike. I would have never started it, had I known it would start a war between people on the same team. We're all here for the same reason.
Their music has helped shape who we all are, and always will be. We ALL love our Boys, no matter how dysfunctional they are.

[KittyKat]

I DO want positives about Mike.
I posted that picture because it's awesome, and also, because that's the preconceived notion of Mike. I would have never started it, had I known it would start a war between people on the same team. We're all here for the same reason.
Their music has helped shape who we all are, and always will be. We ALL love our Boys, no matter how dysfunctional they are.

Sorry to assume.  You know that u & me & an as* thing.

[Letsgoawayforawhile]

Also, this.

 http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/wilson%20love.jpg

[Zach95]

It's fine to have an opinion, but to have an ill-advised and uninformed opinion is another thing.  Mike's comments on BW 88 are, er, attack-able because he criticizes it for lack of "commercial" arrangements.  That's not an informed way to criticize music.  I have nothing against Mike, I'm just pointing out why some people might still find issue with the things he has said over the years.  

Just how exactly can you accuse his opinion of being ill-advised and uninformed? All Mike would have to do to arrive at an opinion of Brian's album would be to.......... listen to it.

If he thinks the arrangements are too non-commercial, how is this ill-advised or uninformed? Just because you disagree with his opinion? No! Both your opinions are valid.

We need to start linking to the blueboard, where insanity prevails and objectivity goes out the window.

I'm sick of this "Oh Mike is so friggin brilliant how dare you say anything about him that's negative, and if you do, you must be a blueboarder!" crap. As I stated time and time again, I certainly appreciate and love Mike to a certain degree, doesn't mean I have to praise him constantly or refrain from saying anything bad about him.  I was trying to point out why people have issues with Mike, and those issues are certainly valid considering the things he has said.  I'm not a Brianista or blueboarder or whatever the heck you want to label people who find faults with Michael Edward Love.  The fact of the matter is, Mike's as flawed as anyone else out there is, and he has demonstrated some blatant characteristics that certainly garner negative criticism.

As per the ill-advised ill-informed opinion, I stand by that.  Perhaps I worded it wrong.  Mike's criticism of Brian's solo album is ludicrous because it's rooted in critiquing a part of a work which that work never meant to achieve.  For example, it's as if I say I hate Miles Davis' Kind of Blue because it doesn't rock enough, that the arrangements aren't as rock'n'roll-esque as I would have liked.  Well, that would be silly because Kind of Blue is a Jazz album and it is not trying to accomplish a rock'n'roll sound.  The same goes for BW 88.  Saying the arrangements aren't commercial enough is, simply, ridiculous because Brian's arrangements weren't trying to re-hash I Get Around or Surfin' USA.  Brian was releasing a pop record, sure, but he wasn't trying to top the popular charts with whatever the heck Mike figured the album should be.  So, like I said, I stand by my comment.

[Doo Dah]

I don't hate Mike. In fact, I quite like his sardonic sense of humor. I have not come to bury Caesar, but to praise him:

1) A total beast of the road. When you stop and consider the staggering amount of shows over the years, I'm stunned how he keeps it going - and he shows his timing and stage presence in full effect on the 50 tour. I always enjoy the old masters, and Mike's an old master.

2) He knows how to market a trademark. And the arts are littered with good ideas that peter out through lack of execution or a half-assed attempt. Mike understands his predominant demographic and he knows how to move the cereal. A (conceptual) genius? No...just a hard working guy.

Having said all that, I call him out for his lack of guts in extending that trademark (grudgingly during the Pet Sounds era and somewhat belligerently during Smile). That same market trademark knowledge becomes its own millstone which causes him to resist thinking outside the box.

Why the almost dismissal of the whole album catalog from WH era up to Endless Summer?
Why not own up to his own hard work and exceptional singing throughout the first three Warner records?
Why is his concept of quality inexorably linked to commercial sales and chart position?

Probably because it doesn't fit his self constructed formula. The Beatles, The Who, and the Kinks all had occasional insurrections within the ranks, but they never shied away from constantly growing, and experimenting and finding the missing chord. This is why Mike angers me and why I really don't respect Bruce at all. It's Mike however who truly disappoints me because he should know better.

Here's why I'm in the minority regarding future BB records versus the continuation of Brian's solo career. If the Beach Boys were fully reunited in the 2000 decade, there is no way in my mind that we ever would've seen Smile, the concept and execution of TLOS and BW (or in this case, the Beach Boys) Reimagine Gershwin. I don't see any of those three seminal releases receiving the full, unequivocal support of Michael Edward Love because none of them fit his finely honed market researched definition of the Beach Boys. And that's a pity.

[Doo Dah]

 

[mjforever]

Sorry couldn't resist!  Taken a few years ago before the good man passed.  He signed my DVD "To Justin and Nordberg..."

You are a very lucky man.

[Autotune]

There's a "genius of Mike Love" from like a week ago. Why do we have to bring up this very issue, along with our tired arguments, every other day?

[hypehat]

There's a "genius of Mike Love" from like a week ago. Why do we have to bring up this very issue, along with our tired arguments, every other day?

Preferred it when this thread was about Leslie Nielsen, tbh.

[Doo Dah]

There's a "genius of Mike Love" from like a week ago. Why do we have to bring up this very issue, along with our tired arguments, every other day?

Nothing tired about my argument. My argument was dead-on. 

[Jason]

There's a "genius of Mike Love" from like a week ago. Why do we have to bring up this very issue, along with our tired arguments, every other day?

Preferred it when this thread was about Leslie Nielsen, tbh.

True story.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

DON'T FORMULA WITH THE f***!

[Forshorn]

I'll tell you what Mike did other than being a distinctive singer, perfect for the upbeat songs, and an ace lyricist at his best.

Mike is responsible for the Beach Boys nerdy optimism and patriotism. How many bands would do a song like "Be True to Your School"? Mike Love's all-American attitude is the opposite of everything else in the '60s. Whether you're a fan of this self-confident California hedonism and boy-next-door machismo, it's what made the Beach Boys stand out.

Brian's attitude to life is different, and shows in the melancholy songs.

[Heysaboda]

There's a "genius of Mike Love" from like a week ago. Why do we have to bring up this very issue, along with our tired arguments, every other day?

Preferred it when this thread was about Leslie Nielsen, tbh.

True story.

"But this is our hill, and these are OUR beans!"

[TV Forces]

Aside from Mike being a huge dildo on many occasions, what are some good things he's done?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7IY5ZhKYjc&list=UU7U2dpUBOED0gC3fFq05tVA&index=10&feature=plpp_video

[ontor pertawst]

That IS pretty fabulous and should be taught in schools.

[Heysaboda]

Sorry couldn't resist!  Taken a few years ago before the good man passed.  He signed my DVD "To Justin and Nordberg..."

Hey Justin, aren't you going to add this pic to your avatar??  LOL!

[hypehat]

Aside from Mike being a huge dildo on many occasions, what are some good things he's done?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7IY5ZhKYjc&list=UU7U2dpUBOED0gC3fFq05tVA&index=10&feature=plpp_video

Part of me wants to believe that that is STILL Mike Love's favourite song.

[Justin]

Hey Justin, aren't you going to add this pic to your avatar??  LOL!

HA!  Mike Love and Frank Drebin.  Now THERE'S a movie!