The First Gig: Anselmo Valencia Ampitheater Tucson, AZ 4/24/12 (SETLIST/REVIEWS)

[Ron]

Well, I finally heard this, and I don't hear any autotune.  So there. 



Brian sounded great on Heroes and Villians, and I was pretty much shocked at how good Mike sounded on some of the songs, like Don't Back Down. 

To THESE ears, this is a lot like hearing a Beach Boys concert from the 70's.  Pretty good stuff.  Wonderful time to be a fan! 

[Aegir]

Um...excuse me? Could I perhaps also receive a Postcard in the Mail? Really feel out of the loop here...I let this thread get too big without checking it out the last few days, I was more interested in the album info.

well, look through the thread, there are uploads to youtube and vimeo.

[18thofMay]

The only wobble I hear is from guys singing and going a tiny bit off pitch combined with the natural boom and delay/echo that comes when recording in a big space from out in the audience.

And of course there is someone ghosting Brian. This is a guy who might simply stop singing at any moment in the middle of a song. It's not to make Brian sound perfect, it's to make him consistent, or to create the illusion of such.

Add to that the fact that two people in the band have told me no auto-tune was used.

[Aegir]

Maybe they're lying! or maybe it's a different brand of pitch correction!

[Justin]

Brian sounded great on Heroes and Villians,. 

Thought the same thing.  One thing that blew me away was just the strength/power to his voice--nothing to do with the the notes or keeping in tune. 

Everyone's been saying that it's autotuned yet no one's addressed ontor's post on the last page.   At least he's touching here on the actual process and addressing the issue from a technical standpoint.  Everyone else simply has stated that it's autotuned and ignore the logistics of it actually being done.

Still sounds like some kinda flangy phasey harmonizer purposeful effect to me on H&V. If you wanted to live Auto-Tune Brian, some geek with a keyboard would be playing the melody along with him and the pitch correction wouldn't be that noticeable and psychedelic unless you cranked up the setting specifically for that effect. If you wanted to slyly fix his pitch, it sure wouldn't sound like that. Considering he's blowing notes here and there anyway, it doesn't sound like anybody is correcting his pitch on other songs. It's a big pain in the ass and since we're all used to Brian's fine, occasionally frail character-drenched voiced, people would look at the bottom line cost of doing this and go -- nah, f*ck it.

Watch your oo's and aahs. Brian, you're flatting.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

This whole thing must be hell for OSD! We've quit arguing about Mike and have aimed the lazers at Foskett and auto-tune

I think Jeff sounded great on Catch A Wave last night!

[drbeachboy]

Another conspiracy theory. Present the audio file to MythBusters.

[18thofMay]

Maybe they're lying! or maybe it's a different brand of pitch correction!

They have no reason to lie, in the 6 or so years I have spoken to them they have never lied or mislead me in anyway. It would be a) out of character for them to lie and b) out of character for Brian to need or use any type of auto tune.

[runnersdialzero]

I don't get it. If this is how Brian normally sounds to you folks, God help you. There is obviously just reason to lie about using autotune during a Beach Boys show - it makes Brian look pathetic, it makes the people who run the show look clueless, and it brings down the quality of the show as a whole. Denying it outright even though it's blindingly obvious at least saves a bit of face to some people, I guess.

I'd be interested in hearing what excuse they'd give for Brian and Brian alone sounding like a robot and giving the most off-key performance of his entire life.

[Zach95]

Um...excuse me? Could I perhaps also receive a Postcard in the Mail? Really feel out of the loop here...I let this thread get too big without checking it out the last few days, I was more interested in the album info.

well, look through the thread, there are uploads to youtube and vimeo.

I've seen one YouTube video...and it's been taken down.

[SonoraDick]

Here's what I heard, in person.

FWIW, Brian was absolutely DREADFUL at times in the soundcheck. Guess I could only prove it with about a minute of "This Whole World", which I did video. I shot the entire "TWGMTR" & don't recall it being bad, although I don't think I've viewed/heard it more than once since. I remember saying to my wife after they broke that I hoped he was just fooling around or sick of the rehearsals by then (we heard they rehearsed for about five hours the previous night), but I wasn't very confident about the show's potential at that point. (Had I known photos/videos would be impossible for us during the concert, I would have done more with the soundcheck, but we didn't learn that until we re-entered the venue
before the show.)

To my ears, the difference was like night & day when it counted. Brian sounded like... Brian. In other words, not great, but far better than just three hours before. I wouldn't know autotune from looneytunes; what I heard at the time was  satisfactory, maybe because I was fearing much worse. I had no thought that maybe the sound was being enhanced. To be honest, I thought maybe one of his meds had kicked in to help him relax. I was certainly caught up in the excitement, same as everybody else, but my (old) ears weren't offended by what they heard. Maybe they just heard what I wanted to hear at the time, & the audience recordings you've been hearing are the honest ones.

  

[18thofMay]

I don't get it. If this is how Brian normally sounds to you folks, God help you. There is obviously just reason to lie about using autotune during a Beach Boys show - it makes Brian look pathetic, it makes the people who run the show look clueless, and it brings down the quality of the show as a whole. Denying it outright even though it's blindingly obvious at least saves a bit of face to some people, I guess.

I'd be interested in hearing what excuse they'd give for Brian and Brian alone sounding like a robot and giving the most off-key performance of his entire life.

I think he sounds good.

[Wirestone]

Maybe they're lying! or maybe it's a different brand of pitch correction!

They have no reason to lie, in the 6 or so years I have spoken to them they have never lied or mislead me in anyway. It would be a) out of character for them to lie and b) out of character for Brian to need or use any type of auto tune.

They have been known to lie before. Jeff was adamant when BW started touring that he didn't use a teleprompter for lyrics. Also, he claimed Brian was really playing piano in those first shows.

Neither claim was true.

giving the most off-key performance of his entire life.

This is objectively untrue. You may not have liked how he sounded, but he was indeed most often in tune.

[Aegir]

Um...excuse me? Could I perhaps also receive a Postcard in the Mail? Really feel out of the loop here...I let this thread get too big without checking it out the last few days, I was more interested in the album info.

well, look through the thread, there are uploads to youtube and vimeo.

I've seen one YouTube video...and it's been taken down.

OKAY, because you're too lazy to go back a few pages in the thread, I did it for you. Here. http://vimeo.com/41099670

[18thofMay]

Maybe they're lying! or maybe it's a different brand of pitch correction!

They have no reason to lie, in the 6 or so years I have spoken to them they have never lied or mislead me in anyway. It would be a) out of character for them to lie and b) out of character for Brian to need or use any type of auto tune.

They have been known to lie before. Jeff was adamant when BW started touring that he didn't use a teleprompter for lyrics. Also, he claimed Brian was really playing piano in those first shows.

Neither claim was true.

giving the most off-key performance of his entire life.

This is objectively untrue. You may not have liked how he sounded, but he was indeed most often in tune.

Those are all fair and reasonable points! It was not he who told me there was no auto-tune and I can't hear it!

[runnersdialzero]

giving the most off-key performance of his entire life.

This is objectively untrue. You may not have liked how he sounded, but he was indeed most often in tune.

I'll bet he was in tune a fair amount of the time, as he usually is - the autotune filter made it sound like he was giving the most off-key performance of his life.

[Ron]

You guys are starting to get ridiculous.  "Most off key in his life" are you fucking serious?  Brian's ALWAYS off key!  Sometimes for entire shows.  Have you heard the Long Beach tape?  You honestly think he was more off key at the show?  What are you smoking?  You're hearing sh*t that's NOT THERE.  He's singing.  His voice sounds strained and weird, you know, like it did from... oh... 1980 on. 


If he's using Autotune, then why the f*** is his voice sharp like it always is? 

It's just getting stupid.  He sounds OFF, like he always does, but yet it's autotuned?  Auto-detuned?  Auto "Lets make him sound like he ALWAYS SOUNDS" ? 

Have you heard ANY of his concerts from the past, oh, 10 years?  He sounds exactly like he sounds at all his concerts!  If you hear a pitch shift or something you imagine you hear in a note, it may be because it's recorded on a piece of sh*t tape recorder 300 YARDS FROM THE STAGE! 

Of all the stupid fucking things to argue about, lets all argue about something that's IN YOUR HEAD. 

I thought Brian was the one who hears voices. 

[runnersdialzero]

You guys are starting to get ridiculous.  "Most off key in his life" are you f*cking serious?  Brian's ALWAYS off key!  Sometimes for entire shows.  Have you heard the Long Beach tape?  You honestly think he was more off key at the show?  What are you smoking?  You're hearing sh*t that's NOT THERE.  He's singing.  His voice sounds strained and weird, you know, like it did from... oh... 1980 on. 


If he's using Autotune, then why the f*ck is his voice sharp like it always is? 

It's just getting stupid.  He sounds OFF, like he always does, but yet it's autotuned?  Auto-detuned?  Auto "Lets make him sound like he ALWAYS SOUNDS" ? 

Have you heard ANY of his concerts from the past, oh, 10 years?  He sounds exactly like he sounds at all his concerts!  If you hear a pitch shift or something you imagine you hear in a note, it may be because it's recorded on a piece of sh*t tape recorder 300 YARDS FROM THE STAGE! 

Of all the stupid f*cking things to argue about, lets all argue about something that's IN YOUR HEAD. 

I thought Brian was the one who hears voices. 

Are you angry, Ron.

[Ron]

No, I'm just busy trying to figure out how to put you on Ignore so I don't have to read your stupidity anymore. 


"Hi guys, I bought a puppy!"


Runnerzdialzero = "Puppies sh*t"

"Hi guys, I won the lottery today!"

Runnerzdialzero = "You're a gambling addict"

If you want to keep trashing everything you imagine you hear, go do it somewhere else.  I refuse to listen to you ivent sh*t to get pissed about anymore. 

[runnersdialzero]

Calm down, Ron.

Also, a gambling addict winning the lottery could be a bad thing - the chances of them blowing all that money on gambling rather than investing it in something wise would be pretty high. I wouldn't want a friend to waste all their money on gambling.

[Ron]

If anybody replies besides this clown, p.m. me, I refuse to read any of his negative drivel anymore.  Also if anybody knows how to ignore people (I.e., you've put me on ignore, lol) where it doesn't even show up anymore, please send me a p.m. 

Inventing something.  Then bitching about it.  A new level of stupidity. 

[18thofMay]

Calm down, Ron.

Also, a gambling addict winning the lottery could be a bad thing - the chances of them blowing all that money on gambling rather than investing it in something wise would be pretty high. I wouldn't want a friend to waste all their money on gambling.

Please don't pretend you have any........

[runnersdialzero]

Because I'm the only one who clearly hears autotune on this.

No need to get so worked up :\ I was done with it ages ago until a couple folks started calling people who heard it "hysterical" etc. and I felt the need to defend why I was sure I heard it. Again, I'm far from the only one - no one is "inventing" anything.

Relax.

[runnersdialzero]

Please don't pretend you have any........

I have plenty of friends, FYI, but unfortunately, most of them are gambling addicts.

[18thofMay]

Please don't pretend you have any........

I have plenty of friends, FYI, but unfortunately, most of them are gambling addicts.

I don't have a gambling problem. I have winning problem.