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« Reply #125 on: March 06, 2012, 03:32:41 PM »


For those of you who do love Steel Guitar and "Diamond Head", check out Bossaroo's Myspace page. He is one talented guy!!!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/rscottmurray
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« Reply #126 on: March 06, 2012, 06:25:38 PM »

thanks SRH. that page is pretty old... could really use an update!

Diamond Head was indeed a spontaneous collaboration, based around Vescovo's steel guitar. don't think Brian suggested chord or key changes, or anything more than "play something Hawaiian". I'd love to hear what Brian remembers about it, he's clearly fond of the song... Lyle and Jim too.

I really wish we had more in the way of outtakes from 'Friends'
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« Reply #127 on: March 06, 2012, 06:32:10 PM »

thanks SRH. that page is pretty old... could really use an update!

Diamond Head was indeed a spontaneous collaboration, based around Vescovo's steel guitar. don't think Brian suggested chord or key changes, or anything more than "play something Hawaiian". I'd love to hear what Brian remembers about it, he's clearly fond of the song... Lyle and Jim too.

I really wish we had more in the way of outtakes from 'Friends'

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« Reply #128 on: March 07, 2012, 12:49:02 PM »

You seem to take issue with my 'factual statement' that four people are credited with writing the song, not solely Al Vescovo.

No, I take issue with your saying, "I don't trust this guy, I don't know him, I just choose to blindly believe Brian wrote everything ever."

I have no idea Al Vescovo's original words on the matter, but if he outright said, "I wrote it," I'm sure he meant the basis of it, not the entirety of it. I write a song - my band embellishes upon it in a way I never could have, but I still wrote the basis of it. Some would choose to give the original writer the sole credit, others would give the whole band credit.

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and that someone saying Al Vescovo wrote the song doesn't make it so.  In legal tems it's called heresay.

o yeah. I see Dennis Wilson getting the sole credit for "Never Learn Not To Love", I think Charles Manson claiming to have written it is total hearsay.

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Yeah, jackass. Not jumping the thread, it's jumping back your  crap.

And what does "Jumping back your crap" mean in legal terms?

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And,as typical with A holes like you, you are offended when people respond to statements like "Give it a rest bub", "kind of dumb". You get personal and then get all crazy when it's thrown back at ya.

I got personal? Naw.

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Yes, songwriters have been historically listed in alphabetically order  - Love/Wilson;

Funny, because every single instance I've seen of this, it's listed as "Written by Brian Wilson/Mike Love". Not alphabetical. Brian is listed first because he wrote the basis of the song, Mike helped. How about the Smile material? "Written by Brian Wilson/Van Dyke Parks". Again, not alphabetical. "Written by Brian Wilson/Tony Asher". "Friends" lists Al Jardine last in the credits, not first. Is it a matter of always listing Brian first? No. "Take A Load Off Your Feet" lists Al before Brian because it was mostly Al's song.

Seeing a pattern, here? Nothing is alphabetical among Beach Boys credits. Ever. Seemingly, the person listed first always wrote the basis of the song or the majority of the song, the names that follow helped. Thus, given Al's statement that he wrote the basis of the song and him being listed first, what conclusion can we draw from that?

That was my point - you failed to pick up on my sarcasm.

Based on Beach Boys credits likely almost always being listed as such, wouldn't this mean Al Vescovo likely wrote the basis or the majority of "Diamond Head", with the other four credited people writing less or just assisting? Wouldn't Al Vescovo claiming to have written the majority of it back that up?

Not everyone is a lying con artist like Carole Kaye. Carole has been CAUGHT on her lies multiple times, where as I've never once heard anyone calling out this Al Vescovo for claiming songwriting credits when he didn't do it.

If Brian Wilson said he wrote something, wouldn't you believe him until proven otherwise? How is Al Vescovo any different? You're the one blindly assuming Brian wrote everything, ignoring facts and statements contrary to the matter.

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« Reply #129 on: March 08, 2012, 05:42:31 PM »

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Yes, songwriters have been historically listed in alphabetically order  - Love/Wilson;

Funny, because every single instance I've seen of this, it's listed as "Written by Brian Wilson/Mike Love". Not alphabetical. Brian is listed first because he wrote the basis of the song, Mike helped. How about the Smile material? "Written by Brian Wilson/Van Dyke Parks". Again, not alphabetical. "Written by Brian Wilson/Tony Asher". "Friends" lists Al Jardine last in the credits, not first. Is it a matter of always listing Brian first? No. "Take A Load Off Your Feet" lists Al before Brian because it was mostly Al's song.


I just have a problem with people talking out their ass and ignoring facts.  Like you.

For example, You can't even bother to go to BMI and get the real, legal info.

DO IT AGAIN (Legal Title)
   BMI Work #309166

Songwriter/Composer    Current Affiliation    CAE/IPI #
LOVE MIKE E                    BMI                            18590870
WILSON BRIAN                  BMI                            33029517
 
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IRVING MUSIC    BMI    355698807

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   BMI Work #1434517

Songwriter/Composer    Current Affiliation    CAE/IPI #
PARKS VAN DYKE            ASCAP                    23519307
WILSON BRIAN                    BMI                        33029517


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   BMI Work #484174

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DIEU SEUL SAIT
DIO SOLO SA

Songwriter/Composer    Current Affiliation    CAE/IPI #
ASHER TONY                     BMI                           1472335
WILSON BRIAN DOUGLAS     BMI                       33029811
 
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IRVING MUSIC    BMI    355698807
 
I don't know where you are getting your "Wilson.Love" or "Wilson/Parks" listings.  Booze or drugs can do some crazy things to a mind.
Brian has traditionally had his name listed last - ala: alphabetically.
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« Reply #130 on: March 08, 2012, 05:59:19 PM »


 
I don't know where you are getting your "Wilson.Love" or "Wilson/Parks" listings.  Booze or drugs can do some crazy things to a mind.
Brian has traditionally had his name listed last - ala: alphabetically.
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« Reply #131 on: March 08, 2012, 06:17:08 PM »


 
I don't know where you are getting your "Wilson.Love" or "Wilson/Parks" listings.  Booze or drugs can do some crazy things to a mind.
Brian has traditionally had his name listed last - ala: alphabetically.

Ohhh.  Officially wrong but I am wrong. Dang. I hate when that happens.  Gotta lay off those shrooms Transcendental Meditation Transcendental Meditation.
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« Reply #132 on: March 08, 2012, 07:23:56 PM »

Christ almighty, honestly Diamond Head doesn't even sound like a Brian Wilson tune. Brian's instrumentals are full of layers and/or harmonies. Diamond Head is beautiful, but not at the calibre of Brian Wilson.

To me, i'd say Brian had no problem with Al writing the gist of this tune. But I'm drunk, so what do I know?
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« Reply #133 on: March 09, 2012, 08:36:27 AM »

My opinion?  Brian Wilson has a long history of not really giving a sh*t about business matters like who gets paid for a song. 

Simple as that. 
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