SUPER MEGA SPOILER THREAD

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

Wait... So "I Don't Know" is... TUNE X? WHAT?

Also, listen to (Carol?) after the "I wanna Be Around" session "That Can Be Side 2 to the album" "Yeah That's what happens after the fire!" HAHAHA!

[Jason]

I Don't Know is I Don't Know. Tune X is Tune X.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Also, listen to (Carol?) after the "I wanna Be Around" session "That Can Be Side 2 to the album" "Yeah That's what happens after the fire!" HAHAHA!

Ha! So she was sort of right. Unfortunately, it's not Brian saying it so there's no real confirmation.

[Aegir]

I Don't Know is I Don't Know. Tune X is Tune X.

At least from the short clips, they sound like different arrangements of the same song.

[runnersdialzero]

I think they're just similar. Not that I'm Gosh Darn Brian Wilson featuring Gosh Darn Carl Wilson featuring Gosh Darn Dennis Wilson, but the last band I was in, I had written a bunch of material we were going over (only due to me having prior recordings) when we wanted to start attempting some stuff written by the other guys. First thing the other two brought in had the same time signature, same key, same tempo (basically), similar structures etc. Happened in another band I was in, too. Just happens that way sometimes, I guess, especially when dealing with people's earliest compositions when working together (as was the case with Dennis and Carl and all the instances I'm talking about). I think it's just coincidence.

[Aegir]

I'm in a lot of bands and I've not once seen that. I think that's a really really strange coincidence.

[The Shift]

Cool, Cool Water (Version 1)

Been hitting samples at random. This is… sublime. Exquisite. Sounds like it might even date from the Sunflower era sessions – anyone hazard a guess?

If that's the case, Mark and Alan, my birthday's not until April so you've plenty of time to ready the Sunflower/Add Some Music box for release – just be sure to include an entire CD's worth of Cool Cool Water sessions & outtakes, a-la GVs/H&V on the SMiLE Sessions.


please…

[The Shift]

50.   Heroes and Villains: Part 2 Revised      1:54
51   Heroes and Villains: Part 2 (Revised) [Master Take]

Jeez… stunning

[Andrew G. Doe]

Cool, Cool Water (Version 1)

Been hitting samples at random. This is… sublime. Exquisite. Sounds like it might even date from the Sunflower era sessions – anyone hazard a guess?

My guess would be June 7th 1967.

[Freddie French-Pounce]

Cool, Cool Water (Version 1)

Been hitting samples at random. This is… sublime. Exquisite. Sounds like it might even date from the Sunflower era sessions – anyone hazard a guess?

My guess would be June 7th 1967.

  No accuracy there

Wait, Swedish frog is missing... Swedish frog? NOOOOO!!!

[Barnshine]

Backing Vocals Montage - DYLW "tape warp vocals" in stereo!  Sounds fantastic.

[John Stivaktas]

The very name of this thread instantly made me go here. And just a friendly reminder to those who find it difficult to resist:

http://www.hmvdigital.com/artist/the-beach-boys/the-smile-sessions

 

[TerryWogan]

Do You Like Worms (Part 3) is getting my attention right now- never heard the piano part before. I can't quite tell if there's a subtle descending left-hand part or if it's just my brain filling in gaps given these sub-par headphones.

[John Stivaktas]

Do You Like Worms (Part 3) is getting my attention right now- never heard the piano part before. I can't quite tell if there's a subtle descending left-hand part or if it's just my brain filling in gaps given these sub-par headphones.

Definitely sounds like the familiar rhythm guitar staccato chords played in the right-hand on a piano...the first two counts of the bar play the lower notes of the F and Bb chords and the last two counts play the higher notes of those two chords.

[UK_Surf]

There are some sublime tracks on here - I'm blown away by the H&V Verse Edit Experiment - this has always been my favourite version of the verse, and here, in amazing quality, the experience is taken to a whole new level.

The standouts for me are predictably CIFOTM and SU '67. Everyone is going to have a few reservations I s'spect, and mine is the album mix of IIGS. It's a bit awkward, and I was hoping they'd use some of the more extreme echoplex feedback. But the sessions sound incredible. Meh - can't please everyone all the time. But no issues with BY, oddly. SU is incredible, but personally, I think they over-egged the rvb plug in. The power of the vocal can carry it without props, and personally, I'd prefer a more subtle one. But that's nit-picking.

The sheer quality and sensitivity of these mixes...and the Blessed Continuity of Audio Experience! I cannot begin to express the sheer joy of everything being at the SAME LEVEL and EQ Profile! It feels....joined up. Unified in a way I never expect my experience of Smile to be. That is such a huge achievement. '67 Smile is a lost moment in time, but this gives us the most cohesive experience ever, and what ever individual reservations about particular moments exists, they are stampled into insignificance by the sheer reverence shown to this material.

[TerryWogan]

Definitely too much reverb on the SU vocals. The second section sounds much better dry; more intimate.

[Barnshine]

Definitely too much reverb on the SU vocals. The second section sounds much better dry; more intimate.

I think it gives it a bigger, more "majestic" sound, closer to BWPS. It's definitley less "intimate", but the original intention could have very well be closer to this. We have no way of knowing.
SU '67, on the other hand...

[John Stivaktas]

Definitely too much reverb on the SU vocals. The second section sounds much better dry; more intimate.

Perhaps this was Brian's intention for the original track in 1967 and this was relayed to Mark at some point in 2004 because the BWPS version of Surf's Up has prominent reverb in all the vocals (both lead and background).

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

I must say, after listening to surfs up a bit more,
I like the vocals a LOT, they seem to flow less "blandly" with the new sincopation,
It "rolls" Better.

[TerryWogan]

Definitely too much reverb on the SU vocals. The second section sounds much better dry; more intimate.

I think it gives it a bigger, more "majestic" sound, closer to BWPS. It's definitley less "intimate", but the original intention could have very well be closer to this. We have no way of knowing.
SU '67, on the other hand...

The intention may have been for a fully orchestrated 'majestic' second section, but since all we have is the piano demo I don't think swathes of reverb really work in this context.

[UK_Surf]

It's going to be a subjective response to SU, as it seems to be the Smile track most people have the closest relationship with, but I reckon there's good historical and aesthetic justifications for the mix, and of course we'll have reserve full judgement til we hear it in its entirety.

Also, you can't really tell from the snippet, but I reckon that the real production/mixing triumph of this set will be one of the first online sneak-peaks: Vega-tables! That mix is utterly transformative in terms of the importance of the tune to Smile as a whole, and it reveals the complexity and variety of the track whilst keeping it a fun, and very cool pop song. It's a bold mix, a real declaration of intent, and I was nearly cartwheeling with joy when I first heard it - can't wait for the full audio experience.

[TerryWogan]

I was trying to work out what Teeter Totter Love reminded me of..a simple chord progression going on in the background with bizarre shouty vocals...and then it hit me: Drip Drop

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Sorry if this has already come up, but there are H&V sections here I've never heard.

And the bit's I have heard now sound fantastic. That fade remake. Wow

[Andrew G. Doe]

I was trying to work out what Teeter Totter Love reminded me of..a simple chord progression going on in the background with bizarre shouty vocals...and then it hit me: Drip Drop

Reminds me of a gently steaming pile of sh*t.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

And the You're Welcome, where they are walking in is great. They should have gone with that.

And I like Teeter Totter Love. I love that sort of quirky sound, and his voice is supposed to be bad eh? Thta is the charm of it.