Interesting new Mike interview, with new release date

[drbeachboy]

I appreciate the support hypehat!

Just to qualify, I am not making any demands on Bruce. He can think whatever he wants about the music. I am merely calling into question that assertion that he has been a constant supporter of the era. As drbeachboy noted before flying off into a tantrum, Bruce's own knowledge about the music is limited at best. Am I suggesting anywhere here that it should or should not be limited? No. But if he is going to have that kind of understanding of the knowledge, then it's difficult to say he's been a constant supporter of the era.

But maybe there are quotes that I am unaware of.

To clarify my point of view, from what I've understood by reading your posts, you're suggesting what Bruce's reactions to the material should be "if he were a real fan". And by the way I'm not criticizing you or your posts, this is just an observation.

That is exactly the way that I understood it, as well.

[Jason]

But the whole thing is fragments of varying lengths; even Brian has said that. At the rate we're going the Beach Boys are like O'Reilly and we're all Basil Fawlty wondering why the hell that pile of bricks has never been assembled.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I appreciate the support hypehat!

Just to qualify, I am not making any demands on Bruce. He can think whatever he wants about the music. I am merely calling into question that assertion that he has been a constant supporter of the era. As drbeachboy noted before flying off into a tantrum, Bruce's own knowledge about the music is limited at best. Am I suggesting anywhere here that it should or should not be limited? No. But if he is going to have that kind of understanding of the knowledge, then it's difficult to say he's been a constant supporter of the era.

But maybe there are quotes that I am unaware of.

To clarify my point of view, from what I've understood by reading your posts, you're suggesting what Bruce's reactions to the material should be "if he were a real fan". And by the way I'm not criticizing you or your posts, this is just an observation.

That is exactly the way that I understood it, as well.

Well, you were wrong.

[drbeachboy]

"The Smile album had the brilliant little track sections that he never connected. And then he abandoned Smile." - Bruce Johnston, 1998

"Brilliant little music bites." - Bruce Johnston, 1998

These are two off of the top of my head. There are others that I will track down and post. But I think that damning Bruce for seeing the album merely as fragments is a criticism that should be leveled at all of the group, including Brian, as even to him the album was a pile of bricks that he couldn't bring himself to assemble.

I seem to remember something about them being brilliant fragments but just fragments but like I said earlier I don't have the quotes on me.

You are a nit picker, and should state your opinion clearer than you did. You have made it clear that you seem to be more an expert on Smile than the Beach Boys themselves.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

As drbeachboy noted before flying off into a tantrum, Bruce's own knowledge about the music is limited at best.

That's about one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say here. He was at a helluva lot more of the sessions than we were: he's heard more Smile music than we could ever dream of. He's twice listened to the tapes for possible inclusion on albums.

Well, if he is so knowledgeable about the music, why does he dismiss it as mere fragments when there were standalone tracks (is Prayer a fragment? is Wonderful a fragment? is Holidays a fragment?) and tracks that either had been assembled or had the ability to be assembled (Cabinessence, Do You Like Worms, Child is Father of the Man). I don't doubt your facts, but unfortunately the facts don't correspond to what he has said.

[drbeachboy]

I can't - rocknroll is merely suggesting that Bruce see the material as more than 'fragments'.

I appreciate the support hypehat!

Just to qualify, I am not making any demands on Bruce. He can think whatever he wants about the music. I am merely calling into question that assertion that he has been a constant supporter of the era. As drbeachboy noted before flying off into a tantrum, Bruce's own knowledge about the music is limited at best. Am I suggesting anywhere here that it should or should not be limited? No. But if he is going to have that kind of understanding of the knowledge, then it's difficult to say he's been a constant supporter of the era.

But maybe there are quotes that I am unaware of.

I never said no such thing! What you saw was me quoting you exactly.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

"The Smile album had the brilliant little track sections that he never connected. And then he abandoned Smile." - Bruce Johnston, 1998

"Brilliant little music bites." - Bruce Johnston, 1998

These are two off of the top of my head. There are others that I will track down and post. But I think that damning Bruce for seeing the album merely as fragments is a criticism that should be leveled at all of the group, including Brian, as even to him the album was a pile of bricks that he couldn't bring himself to assemble.

I seem to remember something about them being brilliant fragments but just fragments but like I said earlier I don't have the quotes on me.

You are a nit picker, and should state your opinion clearer than you did. You have made it clear that you seem to be more an expert on Smile than the Beach Boys themselves.

Sorry, but I was perfectly clear. I wasn't responding to you so I didn't actively try to protect myself from your usual deceptive tactics of constructing scarecrows. Quite simply, you are incapable of dealing with what people say, so you make up a position that you are capable of arguing against. I mean, when you are stooping to telling someone what they think (as you have done here) how can you not stop to think that you are behaving inappropriately?

As for the point about me being "more an expert on Smile", you do realize that I was referencing your point directly, right? In that case, if I think that then you must too.

[The Shift]

I've had me tea, and you lot are scrapping again.

I'm sure Bruce has described the SMiLE fragments as "exquisite" at least once.

And how many of the surviving BBs are CA/NV residents, Andrew?  Did they have a beer after?

Feel Flows from the Surf's Up Album, the title track of which was salvaged from the SMiLE sessions.

Off for pudding now, and maybe a glass of wine.

[drbeachboy]

What position am I suppose to take? One I cannot defend or know nothing about? I never said Bruce didn't hear everything, but rather that he was in the studio recording and singing fragments.

[Andrew G. Doe]

As drbeachboy noted before flying off into a tantrum, Bruce's own knowledge about the music is limited at best.

That's about one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say here. He was at a helluva lot more of the sessions than we were: he's heard more Smile music than we could ever dream of. He's twice listened to the tapes for possible inclusion on albums.

Well, if he is so knowledgeable about the music, why does he dismiss it as mere fragments when there were standalone tracks (is Prayer a fragment? is Wonderful a fragment? is Holidays a fragment?) and tracks that either had been assembled or had the ability to be assembled (Cabinessence, Do You Like Worms, Child is Father of the Man). I don't doubt your facts, but unfortunately the facts don't correspond to what he has said.

Maybe his definition of fragments differs from yours, or mine. Maybe he just means "unfinished". Maybe he's referring solely to the then-unreleased material. Maybe if we think and wish and hope and pray...

[drbeachboy]

As drbeachboy noted before flying off into a tantrum, Bruce's own knowledge about the music is limited at best.

That's about one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say here. He was at a helluva lot more of the sessions than we were: he's heard more Smile music than we could ever dream of. He's twice listened to the tapes for possible inclusion on albums.

Well, if he is so knowledgeable about the music, why does he dismiss it as mere fragments when there were standalone tracks (is Prayer a fragment? is Wonderful a fragment? is Holidays a fragment?) and tracks that either had been assembled or had the ability to be assembled (Cabinessence, Do You Like Worms, Child is Father of the Man). I don't doubt your facts, but unfortunately the facts don't correspond to what he has said.

Maybe his definition of fragments differs from yours, or mine. Maybe he just means "unfinished". Maybe he's referring solely to the then-unreleased material. Maybe if we think and wish and hope and pray...

Nicely put. It just doesn't seem to matter what Mike or Bruce say on the subject, people always find a way to make them look like they never appreciated the work done on Smile.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

What position am I suppose to take? One I cannot defend or know nothing about? I never said Bruce didn't hear everything, but rather that he was in the studio recording and singing fragments.

And that his knowledge of the album in 1998 was based on the exposure he had to the music in the studio in 1966/67.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

As drbeachboy noted before flying off into a tantrum, Bruce's own knowledge about the music is limited at best.

That's about one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say here. He was at a helluva lot more of the sessions than we were: he's heard more Smile music than we could ever dream of. He's twice listened to the tapes for possible inclusion on albums.

Well, if he is so knowledgeable about the music, why does he dismiss it as mere fragments when there were standalone tracks (is Prayer a fragment? is Wonderful a fragment? is Holidays a fragment?) and tracks that either had been assembled or had the ability to be assembled (Cabinessence, Do You Like Worms, Child is Father of the Man). I don't doubt your facts, but unfortunately the facts don't correspond to what he has said.

Maybe his definition of fragments differs from yours, or mine. Maybe he just means "unfinished". Maybe he's referring solely to the then-unreleased material. Maybe if we think and wish and hope and pray...

Maybe, but it seems unlikely. First of all, the documentary at least suggests that he is talking about the Smile project as a whole. Furthermore, in the same interview (as pointed out above) he refers to the songs as "music bites" or, I think, sound bytes. This, coupled with his use of the term fragments, seems to suggest that he is describing the music specifically as little blips or clipped pieces. Again, this just isn't true of all the Smile material.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

As drbeachboy noted before flying off into a tantrum, Bruce's own knowledge about the music is limited at best.

That's about one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say here. He was at a helluva lot more of the sessions than we were: he's heard more Smile music than we could ever dream of. He's twice listened to the tapes for possible inclusion on albums.

Well, if he is so knowledgeable about the music, why does he dismiss it as mere fragments when there were standalone tracks (is Prayer a fragment? is Wonderful a fragment? is Holidays a fragment?) and tracks that either had been assembled or had the ability to be assembled (Cabinessence, Do You Like Worms, Child is Father of the Man). I don't doubt your facts, but unfortunately the facts don't correspond to what he has said.

Maybe his definition of fragments differs from yours, or mine. Maybe he just means "unfinished". Maybe he's referring solely to the then-unreleased material. Maybe if we think and wish and hope and pray...

Nicely put. It just doesn't seem to matter what Mike or Bruce say on the subject, people always find a way to make them look like they never appreciated the work done on Smile.

And it's really easy to see people doing that when you completely make up what they say based on nothing other than groundless assumptions. It's no wonder you think that people are always doing this, because you pretend like they are doing it no matter what they say!

[drbeachboy]

I think The Real Beach Boy provided you with a couple of quotes from Bruce. Please, don't tell us we make stuff up. There is nothing for any of us to gain by it. We give our point of view from what we know and it is up to you whether you want to accept it or not. Personally, it is no problem if you don't want to believe what I have to offer. Ignore my posts if you think I make stuff up. I'm sure I'll be called out if ever I do. I think enough people backed me up on this subject to see that I did not. And sure, 95% of the Smile talk is assumption, but the assumptions are based on things that we know in some form or another.

[rab2591]

But the whole thing is fragments of varying lengths; even Brian has said that. At the rate we're going the Beach Boys are like O'Reilly and we're all Basil Fawlty wondering why the hell that pile of bricks has never been assembled.

  that made my night. 'if the good lord is mentioned once more I shall move you closer to him...' 

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I think The Real Beach Boy provided you with a couple of quotes from Bruce.

I suggest you re-read the thread because this is getting embarrassing.

In reply #43, The Real Beach Boy provided the quotations from Bruce which showed that he called Smile "brilliant little track sections" and "brilliant little music bites".

In reply #32 (you'll note by the number, well before these quotations were provided), I outright stated that Bruce referred to the music as "brilliant fragments." So, The Real Beach Boy wasn't offering anything that I hadn't already offered myself in this discussion.

Please, don't tell us we make stuff up.

I'm sorry but that's exactly what you did. You claimed two things in this thread:

I suppose you expect him to fawn over it and piss his pants every time he speaks of it? As far as I know, Dennis is the only band member who really ever trumped up Smile in the press. Even Brian doesn't speak of or support the Smile material like you think Bruce should.

and

You have made it clear that you seem to be more an expert on Smile than the Beach Boys themselves.

The evidence for both of these assertions is exactly zero. You couldn't even manipulate what I said, because I never actually said anything remotely like what you asserted about me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that you weren't paying too much attention to what I wrote.

We give our point of view from what we know and it is up to you whether you want to accept it or not.

You are conveniently leaving out the part where you make up the point of view of others.

Ignore my posts if you think I make stuff up. I'm sure I'll be called out if ever I do.

Yes, in fact, I did call you out on it and now you are shamefully denying your deceit on this thread.

I think enough people backed me up on this subject to see that I did not.

It wouldn't matter if you got a million people to back you up. The facts are what they are.

Incidentally, when someone leaps in using the rhetoric of a 6-year old by uttering hyperbole like "the dumbest thing I've ever read", it hardly speaks volumes of your case or theirs for that matter.

[drbeachboy]

You are immature and really need to accept when you cannot get your way. It is truly awful posting with you. And believe me, I'll take AGD's POV and facts over anything that you have to offer.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

You are immature and really need to accept when you cannot get your way. It is truly awful posting with you. And believe me, I'll take AGD's POV and facts over anything that you have to offer.

Thanks for the remarks. Since you have neglected to respond to any of my points, we can't go much further.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I'd like to close with this ironic point

You are immature...I'll take AGD's POV

AGD's POV:

That's about one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say here

[drbeachboy]

Thank you so much for that response. My non-response was for exactly that purpose. Have a terrific evening.

[drbeachboy]

I'd like to close with this ironic point

You are immature...I'll take AGD's POV

AGD's POV:

That's about one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say here

Ah, come on. The man speaks nothing but the plain truth. What can I tell you?

[Jason]

But the whole thing is fragments of varying lengths; even Brian has said that. At the rate we're going the Beach Boys are like O'Reilly and we're all Basil Fawlty wondering why the hell that pile of bricks has never been assembled.

  that made my night. 'if the good lord is mentioned once more I shall move you closer to him...' 

Oh, don't smile. *shields eyes*

Why are you smiling, Mr. O'Reilly?

[oldsurferdude]

I think The Real Beach Boy provided you with a couple of quotes from Bruce. Please, don't tell us we make stuff up. There is nothing for any of us to gain by it. We give our point of view from what we know and it is up to you whether you want to accept it or not. Personally, it is no problem if you don't want to believe what I have to offer. Ignore my posts if you think I make stuff up. I'm sure I'll be called out if ever I do. I think enough people backed me up on this subject to see that I did not. And sure, 95% of the Smile talk is assumption, but the assumptions are based on things that we know in some form or another.

Yes, 95% is bull merda-Quote of the day, week, month, year, decade perhaps even century! You ARE the doctor!!

[Jason]

I think The Real Beach Boy provided you with a couple of quotes from Bruce. Please, don't tell us we make stuff up. There is nothing for any of us to gain by it. We give our point of view from what we know and it is up to you whether you want to accept it or not. Personally, it is no problem if you don't want to believe what I have to offer. Ignore my posts if you think I make stuff up. I'm sure I'll be called out if ever I do. I think enough people backed me up on this subject to see that I did not. And sure, 95% of the Smile talk is assumption, but the assumptions are based on things that we know in some form or another.

Yes, 95% is bull merda-Quote of the day, week, month, year, decade perhaps even century! You ARE the doctor!!

Doctor DON'T FEED THE TROLL!