Smile release date

[Shady]

I'm even buying the itunes download 

[Les P]

With this coming first I'll have to buy it, how could I not? It will be in the shop singing "Buy Me" in 4 part barbershop style, with some cheeky fuzz bass and tack piano thrown in.

 

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Let's face it... Many of us here will buy both the box set and the double-CD, regardless of whether they're released simultaneously.  Heck, some of us will even buy multiple copies of both sets.

Though the 2-CD set almost certainly will not contain any tracks not included in the box, both sets will undoubtedly have their own unique packaging and artwork.  In other words, I very much doubt that the box will include a retail version of the 2-CD set as its Discs 1 and 2.  The liner notes of the two packages may differ.  Also, Disc 2 of the double-CD might be a "best of the rest" (i.e., a sampler of what's on Discs 2, 3 and 4 of the box).  Other than for budgetary reasons, why would the hardcore fan not want to own both?

I'm a hardcore fan of the music, not the packaging, so why would i want both?

[Wirestone]

Discs 1 and 2 will be the same across the versions.

Just my opinion, but I think it would be way too expensive to produce two distinct disc 2s, especially when disc 1 will likely be the same in both. I think you'll see sequencing along the lines of the Tell Tale Signs Dylan set -- there were 1, 2, and 3 disc versions -- and discs 1 and 2 were consistent across the line.

[juggler]

Discs 1 and 2 will be the same across the versions.

Just my opinion, but I think it would be way too expensive to produce two distinct disc 2s, especially when disc 1 will likely be the same in both. I think you'll see sequencing along the lines of the Tell Tale Signs Dylan set -- there were 1, 2, and 3 disc versions -- and discs 1 and 2 were consistent across the line.

You may be right.  We'll see. 

Of course, there are counterexamples such as "The Byrds - 20 Essential Tracks From The Boxed Set: 1965-1990," a single disc release that incorporates tracks from the Byrds' 1990 4-CD box.

[hypehat]

If the 2 disc comes out early, I'll just download that and wait for the boxset, honestly. I'm not made of money....

[MaxL]

Discs 1 and 2 will be the same across the versions.

Just my opinion, but I think it would be way too expensive to produce two distinct disc 2s, especially when disc 1 will likely be the same in both. I think you'll see sequencing along the lines of the Tell Tale Signs Dylan set -- there were 1, 2, and 3 disc versions -- and discs 1 and 2 were consistent across the line.

You may be right.  We'll see. 

Of course, there are counterexamples such as "The Byrds - 20 Essential Tracks From The Boxed Set: 1965-1990," a single disc release that incorporates tracks from the Byrds' 1990 4-CD box.

And of course the recent Bob Dylan "The Best of the Mono Recordings" which collected some tracks from the "Mono Box" and included "Positively 4th Street" that wasn't on the box. Now if you'll excuse me I'll go away.

[Wirestone]

The difference being that each of those were one-disc samplers from larger projects that contained lots of greatest hits.

This is a two-disc version that will -- we know -- share the first disc with the four-CD set. It just makes no sense to compile an entirely separate second disc when you could sequence the whole shebang to make it unnecessary.

Disc 1 -- Smile re-creation. A bonus track or three.
Disc 2 -- Best of the rest -- alternate versions and mixes, instrumental and vocal-only tracks.
Discs 3-4 -- Sessions.

Easy!

[bgas]

The difference being that each of those were one-disc samplers from larger projects that contained lots of greatest hits.

 It just makes no sense to compile an entirely separate second disc when you could sequence the whole shebang to make it unnecessary.

Except for two small important points; this is the Beach Boys and this is Capitol Records

[rogerlancelot]

I'm going to have to hold out for the big box. I'm not settling for less!

[Mikie]

Oswald was no patsy.  He acted alone.  There was no conspiracy.  

[Andrew G. Doe]

This is a two-disc version that will -- we know -- share the first disc with the four-CD set.

We know nothing of the sort - someone said this over on the Hoff board, and I said the same to them as I'll say to you.

This is what we know about the makeup of the various sets:

2CD:
- CD1/"as close as we can get with what we've got" (mono)
- CD2/sessions (probably stereo)

4(more ?)CD/2LP/2single:
- CDs/all sessions represented, otherwise we don't know.
- LPs/side 1-3 "as close as we can get": side 4/no idea
- 45s/no idea

download:
- no idea, probably contents of box

I would also assume that CD1 of the 2fer would be repeated in the box, but currently no-one's said anything about that.

[seanmurd]

I threw in my two cents in one of the other threads, but here's my GUESS at how the box will be configured:

Disc One: Final "complete" Smile album -- probably based on BWPS, and therefore not under 40 mins, but more like 40-50. No sessions, maybe a few bonus tracks -- this makes it easier for Capitol to release this as a single-disc "Smile" CD down the road.

Disc Two: The "best of" the sessions and alternates. I predict Disc Two will be the same in the 2-CD version and the box, because Capitol will want to keep it simpler, and not risk the box's D2 accidentally getting put in the 2-CD version, and vice-versa. Plus, having the same Disc Two in both sets lowers manufacturing costs. It's possible that the 2-CD version might even be packed in the box as-is, same packaging and everything.

Disc Three: More sessions, like disc two of the Pet Sounds box. If Disc Two is indeed a "best of the box" as compiled for the 2-CD version, I suspect the remaining discs will be treated as "bonus" discs, filled with what the casual fan might consider second-tier material. (Think of Dylan's Tell Tale Signs "deluxe" version, which had second or third versions of several key songs on Disc Three -- casual fans would find them superfluous, but to serious fans they were must-haves.)

Disc Four: Alternate takes, edits and stereo remixes. The "best" of this category will be on disc 2, with disc 4 having the (relative) leftovers.

I think it's worth noting here that it was the original Billboard announcement that described the release configurations, and NOT the official press release from a few days later. The press release only promises "multiple physical and digital configurations" and "2CD and digital album packages and a deluxe, limited edition box set." I think they left themselves some wiggle room to tweak the configurations, and we'll get the exact specifics when they issue a new press release with the release date and the track list. It's also intriguing (though proof of nothing) that the press release never says FOUR CDs -- that was also in the Billboard article. However, in the accompanying interview Mark Linett said it would take "at least" three CDs to cover the sessions. So...

Disc Five (!?): If Alan and Mark were to slip a Disc Five into The Smile Sessions box, I think they follow the "bonus" disc five in the Good Vibrations box, and use it as a dumping ground for demos, scratchy acetates, and maybe even highlights from the post-1967 SMiLE-related sessions ("Cabinessence," "Our Prayer," "Cool, Cool Water," "Surf's Up," etc.). Perhaps this would be the logical place for any present-day experiments that might be deemed too "far out" or heretical for the "box proper" -- like a mega-"H&V" with all sorts of apocryphal stuff thrown in, or "Wonderful" with "He Gives Speeches" inserted.

All of this could be completely wrong, of course, but I'll hang my hat on the bet that Disc Two is universal throughout all configurations -- simply for reasons of cost and practicality.

[The Shift]

I'm of the school that believes Disc 2 will differ in each set.

Agree that Disc 1 will be the same on each - the best finished/almost finished tracks available, laid out in a manner not too dissimilar to BWPS, though I hope the temptation to, for example, create a fresh edit of H&V that matches the sequence of BWPS's version will be resisted.

On the two disc set, I think Disc 2 will be the best of Discs 2, 3 & 4 from the box set.

Disc 2 on the box set I'd predict would comprise alt versions and mixes, instrumentals and near-complete alt versions of songs that didn't make it to Disc 1, while 3 & 4 will be devoted to sessions, grubby acetates etc.

Fun to speculate, but I'll take (and be utterly orgasmically delighted with) whatever they present to us.

[seanmurd]

While I suspect that Disc Two will be universal throughout the configurations, I hope that there's a unique Disc Two in the 2-CD set and the box. This would allow the 2-CD set to have a "best of the box" disc two, and the box can sequence its own disc two chronologically (like the PS box), to flow nicely into discs three and four.

[FUN³]

Oswald was no patsy.  He acted alone.  There was no conspiracy.  

wasn't murry in texas "on business" around this time? agd?

[Mikie]

Contrary to rumors about Murry being on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas, he was actually in Sacramento and Marysville, California on November 22, 1963.

[bgas]

Contrary to rumors about Murry being on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas, Murry was actually in Sacramento and Marysville, California on November 22, 1963.

The Murry in CA was the fake one with the glass eye. The real one was on the grassy knoll

[rogerlancelot]

Contrary to rumors about Murry being on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas, Murry was actually in Sacramento and Marysville, California on November 22, 1963.

The Murry in CA was the fake one with the glass eye. The real one was on the grassy knoll

But wasn't Murry involved in a cancer creating virus along with Dr. Mary Sherman, David Ferrie and Dr. Oschner? And what about his connections with Guy Banister, Clay Shaw and Carlos Marcello? This puts a whole new spin on my view of the Beach Boys for sure.....

[SMiLE Brian]

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Contrary to rumors about Murry being on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas, Murry was actually in Sacramento and Marysville, California on November 22, 1963.

The Murry in CA was the fake one with the glass eye. The real one was on the grassy knoll

But wasn't Murry involved in a cancer creating virus along with Dr. Mary Sherman, David Ferrie and Dr. Oschner? And what about his connections with Guy Banister, Clay Shaw and Carlos Marcello? This puts a whole new spin on my view of the Beach Boys for sure.....

Murry taking out JFK was the real reason for Brian and Mike writing The Warmth of the Sun. Family guilt and anger at Murry played a major part in creating an awesome song.

[Mikie]

Murry Wilson hired Jim Garrison to start a conspiracy theory with Ferrie, Shaw, Banister, and Oswald as conspirators. Murry used Sea Of Tunes Publishing as a front for the Fair Play For Cuba Committee, and had Oswald distribute leaflets in New Orleans.

Murry hired Oswald’s rock band in 1963 as a warm-up act for The Beach Boys. Jack Ruby played lead guitar – Dallas police detective James Leavelle played keyboards:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ereid01/3902745851/

[bgas]

Murry Wilson ordered hired Jim Garrison to start a conspiracy theory with Ferrie, Shaw, Banister, and Oswald as conspirators. Murry used Sea Of Tunes Publishing as a front for the Fair Play For Cuba Committee, and had Oswald distribute leaflets in New Orleans.

Murry hired Oswald’s rock band in 1963 as a warm-up act for The Beach Boys. Jack Ruby played lead guitar – Dallas Detective James Leavelle played keyboards:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ereid01/3902745851/

What a GREAT!! shot of the Band

[Andrew G. Doe]

Murry Wilson hired Jim Garrison to start a conspiracy theory with Ferrie, Shaw, Banister, and Oswald as conspirators. Murry used Sea Of Tunes Publishing as a front for the Fair Play For Cuba Committee, and had Oswald distribute leaflets in New Orleans.

Murry hired Oswald’s rock band in 1963 as a warm-up act for The Beach Boys. Jack Ruby played lead guitar – Dallas police detective James Leavelle played keyboards:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ereid01/3902745851/

That is genius.

[hypehat]

I like this thread. SO MUCH.

[bsten]

If all trigger-happy morons could stick to handling instruments instead of guns.....