Some early facts and gifts from Smile Sessions

[BiG GRiN]

Whistle In is one of my favorite tracks from Smiley Smile...I like it better than the one from Smile. But that`s just me....

So a recording of 'Whistle In' during the SMiLE sessions exists? and it may be true that 'considering the similarity of a Heroes And Villains segment to the vocal work of the released Whistle In, it could have been originally intended as a Heroes And Villains piece'? is this correct? and it was the reason why it was 'cancelled'.
Though, the 'Whistle In' version of Smiley Smile doesnt have a similarity of a H&V segment? or I don't remember.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

"Air", anyone?

[Jason]

The "remember the day, remember the night" bit is basically the Hawaiian chant in Do You Like Worms.

[guitarfool2002]

Whistle In sounds like a throwaway or an unfinished idea to me - it's not much of a song, is it? The only relationship to the Smile sessions proper might be a Heroes fragment session where they're whistling the same melody line that the French Horn player does the "fluttertone" effect on the Cantina version of Heroes.

[JMZ]

Whistle In sounds like a throwaway or an unfinished idea to me - it's not much of a song, is it? The only relationship to the Smile sessions proper might be a Heroes fragment session where they're whistling the same melody line that the French Horn player does the "fluttertone" effect on the Cantina version of Heroes.

Are you talking about "Dumb Whistle" ? The one that ends in a distorted tape echo ?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Last point: About "WHISTLE IN ", I had totally forgot it was part of the SMiLE sessions (january 1967 ?). Never heard it yet. Any informations about what it sounds like?

Nope - only known session for "Whistle In" was July 13th 1967, although it is indeed based on a "DYLW" riff.

[A Million Units In Jan!]

Whistle In sounds like a throwaway or an unfinished idea to me - it's not much of a song, is it? The only relationship to the Smile sessions proper might be a Heroes fragment session where they're whistling the same melody line that the French Horn player does the "fluttertone" effect on the Cantina version of Heroes.

Are you talking about "Dumb Whistle" ? The one that ends in a distorted tape echo ?

It doesn't end in a distorted tape echo-it's just somebody (or maybe a couple of the guys) whistling the French Horn part from H&V, with 'dum dum dum' vocal behind it. It's kind of hard to describe.

[JMZ]

Are you talking about "Dumb Whistle" ? The one that ends in a distorted tape echo ?

It doesn't end in a distorted tape echo-it's just somebody (or maybe a couple of the guys) whistling the French Horn part from H&V, with 'dum dum dum' vocal behind it. It's kind of hard to describe.

Yeah, that's what I call "Dumb Whistle", we're talkiong about the same session. The tape echo has been added later during the mix.

[The Shift]

The Jasper tracks were chants akin to You`re Welcome, which Brian tried to sell to A&M for a recording contract for Jasper. Jasper was not a singer. Maybe it was a put on. To my knowledge On Top has never turned up. I agree that a Smile Box is the best we are going to get from the group and is the most desirable thing still archived. Whistle In is one of my favorite tracks from Smiley Smile...I like it better than the one from Smile. But that`s just me....

Many thanks Peter  - much appreciated.

Would love to think Smokey was one of the surprises on the box set, and no doubt it'd boost sales as Beatles fanatics would mop it up. But I'd second the thought that it probably wasn't recorded, if indeed it took place.

[BiG GRiN]

Last point: About "WHISTLE IN ", I had totally forgot it was part of the SMiLE sessions (january 1967 ?). Never heard it yet. Any informations about what it sounds like?

Nope - only known session for "Whistle In" was July 13th 1967, although it is indeed based on a "DYLW" riff.

Thank you AGD.
I was referring to informations found here http://smilefiletemp.tripod.com/S267.htm ... and elsewhere (?),
saying: "WHISTLE IN: An early version of the song was recorded on this day (January 27th 1967), but considering the similarity of a Heroes And Villains segment to the vocal work of the released Whistle In, it could have been originally intended as a Heroes And Villains piece."
Wrong info?

[Andrew G. Doe]

I'd say so: the 1/27/67 session was for "H&V", but it was a vocal session at Columbia.

Caveat: everything previously stated may change (or not) with any new information that may - or may not - be presented in The Smile Sessions.

Possibly.

[guitarfool2002]

I think the only connection - and it's a very thin one at that - between "Whistle In" and "Heroes" is the "Dumb Whistle" part which I mentioned a few posts ago...and the only connection I hear anyway is that both songs feature whistling on top of a rhythmic "dum dum dum" style backing.

Just for curiosity - this 1/27/67 Heroes vocal session, was it the "Dumb Whistle" fragment?

[BiG GRiN]

I'd say so: the 1/27/67 session was for "H&V", but it was a vocal session at Columbia.

Caveat: everything previously stated may change (or not) with any new information that may - or may not - be presented in The Smile Sessions.

Possibly.

Perfect. thanks for the info. And I hope there will be new information in the Smile Sessions to correct all the mistakes wrote all over the years.

[Roger Ryan]

Incidentally, the "dumb whistle" section segues perfectly from the "dum-dum-dum Heroes & Villains" chant found in HEROES & VILLAINS (Sections) which leads me to believe they were part of the same session. Any truth to that?

[Jason]

Nope. The "dum dum dum heroes and villains" bit was from December.

[Roger Ryan]

Nope. The "dum dum dum heroes and villains" bit was from December.

Is it possible that the whistling was overdubbed onto the December '66 "dum-dum-dums" in January '67? In other words, the whistling and the distorted tape echo was added in January, but the "dum-dum-dum" vocals were from December. I guess I don't care that much either way; I'm just amazed at how close they replicated the "dum-dum-dum" backing vocal.

[buddhahat]

Nope. The "dum dum dum heroes and villains" bit was from December.

Is it possible that the whistling was overdubbed onto the December '66 "dum-dum-dums" in January '67? In other words, the whistling and the distorted tape echo was added in January, but the "dum-dum-dum" vocals were from December. I guess I don't care that much either way; I'm just amazed at how close they replicated the "dum-dum-dum" backing vocal.

I don't know why but I never put these two together. Following the "Dum Dum Heroes & Villains" chant with the Dum Dum Whistle makes for a much better precursor to a potential fade. I always imagined that Dum Dum chant to be one of the final parts of a potential H&V part 2, but fades always felt a bit jarring coming straight out of that Dum dum chant. Adding the whistle makes perfect sense and would mirror the form of the Cantina edit much more closely.

[Jason]

Nope. The "dum dum dum heroes and villains" bit was from December.

Is it possible that the whistling was overdubbed onto the December '66 "dum-dum-dums" in January '67? In other words, the whistling and the distorted tape echo was added in January, but the "dum-dum-dum" vocals were from December. I guess I don't care that much either way; I'm just amazed at how close they replicated the "dum-dum-dum" backing vocal.

No, because the December bit was a different version. The December one sounds more like a melody, the January one is a single note repeated.

[Roger Ryan]

Nope. The "dum dum dum heroes and villains" bit was from December.

Is it possible that the whistling was overdubbed onto the December '66 "dum-dum-dums" in January '67? In other words, the whistling and the distorted tape echo was added in January, but the "dum-dum-dum" vocals were from December. I guess I don't care that much either way; I'm just amazed at how close they replicated the "dum-dum-dum" backing vocal.

No, because the December bit was a different version. The December one sounds more like a melody, the January one is a single note repeated.

Fair enough. My personal "Heroes" edit crossfades from the December session to the "dumb whistle" session and it makes for a nice transition into the tag as "buddhahat" mentions. The pieces matched enough to make me think that the December session vocal may have originally preceded the "dumb whistle" section which Brian then truncated for the Jan. '67 "Cantina" edit.

[Jeff]

Nope. The "dum dum dum heroes and villains" bit was from December.

Is it possible that the whistling was overdubbed onto the December '66 "dum-dum-dums" in January '67? In other words, the whistling and the distorted tape echo was added in January, but the "dum-dum-dum" vocals were from December. I guess I don't care that much either way; I'm just amazed at how close they replicated the "dum-dum-dum" backing vocal.

No, because the December bit was a different version. The December one sounds more like a melody, the January one is a single note repeated.

Fair enough. My personal "Heroes" edit crossfades from the December session to the "dumb whistle" session and it makes for a nice transition into the tag as "buddhahat" mentions. The pieces matched enough to make me think that the December session vocal may have originally preceded the "dumb whistle" section which Brian then truncated for the Jan. '67 "Cantina" edit.

Roger, I'd love to hear that!

[OBLiO]

maybe Dumb Angel is a Muted Trumpter Swan... dumb doesn't have to mean stupid... could just mean quiet.
I just had that visual of the angel with wings blowing the trumpet at heaven's gate.... Gabriel playing some Miles Davis... the evening of the day and the night... whistle while you work... and so on

[Zander]

I don't know whether anyone has seen it but here is the cover for the Mojo Smile / 60's special isses....

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[Shady]

I don't know whether anyone has seen it but here is the cover for the Mojo Smile / 60's special isses....

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Oh my god, how are they selling that now?

[juggler]

"It's here! At last! THE FULL STORY
A 20-PAGE SPECTACULAR! "

Text below that is a bit hard to read but I think it says:

"New interviews with Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Van Dyke Parks, Al Jardine and much more!"

[Andrew G. Doe]

"THE FULL STORY"

Oh, this is gonna be so much FUN !