Brian has signed off on Smile Sessions......

[Jason]

This will now spawn a 20 page thread about Phil trying to figure out who the hell Melissa is...

[bgas]

Yes, who IS this elusive Melissa? I'm thinking Lou might have meant Melinda, but y'never know these days. All this time Smile had a completed second side running order!

yeah, OF COURSE I meant Melinda - I have Melissa on my mind today (never mind who she is!).

Ah,back home, he always runs to  sweet melissa

[rab2591]

This will now spawn a 20 page thread about Phil trying to figure out who the hell Melissa is...

[hypehat]

"Back in 1967, Brian never did finalise a running order for “Side One” of the album..."

Entirely true.

 "... but the group of selections from “Good Vibrations” through “You’re Welcome” are indeed Smile’s intended “Side Two”, and the sequence of tracks “Look/Vegetables/Holidays/Wind Chimes/Fire/Friday Night-I Wanna Be Around/Water-Love to Sat Da Da ARE “The Elements” in their intended running order."

...and ya' know when I wrote those words? Back in  2002 or 2003(8 or 9 years ago) when the last revision to my "Smile" compilation was made. Unfortunately, I believed some of the less-than-accurate ideas being put forth by Domenic Priore at the time. He was, after all, the "Smile" authority of those days.

Well, seeing as you've evidently amended the text back in February to note the upcoming release, I have to ask why you didn't change those totally unfounded claims at the same time: it's not 2003 any more.  I started my BB site back in late December 2001, and since then it's been updated on a weekly basis.

Oh, and this, in the comments column dated 2/15/11 ?

"As it turns out, Al Jardine started a hoax, which he has now retracted. “Smile” is not going to be released officially."

Not a hoax, as you well know, and as I pointed out to you in a PM that you chose to make public... but at least now we know why you're hell-bent against the project being released.  

The page on the Big O website is no longer active(the download is no longer being offered), nor is the page readily available to read. Those comments were made at a point when Al Jardine had retracted what then appeared to have been a hoax, and before Capitol's announcement. With that page on the Big O website no longer active or readily available to read, then was no reason to update the status of the offical "Smile" project, nor was there any possibility to update the information there.

Andrew, you say that I don't want an official "Smile" project to be released, but I do want it to be released. My true viewpoint, is that I'm irritated at all the secrecy. Why couldn't Capitol, The Beach Boys & Mark Linett toss the fans a few crumbs of information.? Given the 44 year on again/off-again promises of an official "Smile" release, giving the fans more information would shore up consumer confidence that this time, it is going to happen; that the project isn't going to falter and fall into long-term limbo. After all, Pink Floyd is giving their fans complete or near-complete information(and a photo of the products) for the three large "Immersion" box sets("The Dark Side of The Moon", "Wish You Were Here" & "The Wall"). Excepting the disc 3 & 4 contents for "The Wall" 7-disc set, Pink Floyd have given their fans complete information on these forthcoming projects, but The Beach Boys, Mark Linett & Capitol Records are taking the stonewall approach: no information, and of course, this leads many(such as myself) to doubt that this project will be completed and released.

Maybe Al's premature announcement forced them to admit to a project that was 3/4's finished?

Besides, it's their right to stonewall until they are ready. And they obviously are not. SO RELAX.

[Bicyclerider]

Andrew, you say that I don't want an official "Smile" project to be released, but I do want it to be released. My true viewpoint, is that I'm irritated at all the secrecy. Why couldn't Capitol, The Beach Boys & Mark Linett toss the fans a few crumbs of information.? Given the 44 year on again/off-again promises of an official "Smile" release, giving the fans more information would shore up consumer confidence that this time, it is going to happen; that the project isn't going to falter and fall into long-term limbo. After all, Pink Floyd is giving their fans complete or near-complete information(and a photo of the products) for the three large "Immersion" box sets("The Dark Side of The Moon", "Wish You Were Here" & "The Wall"). Excepting the disc 3 & 4 contents for "The Wall" 7-disc set, Pink Floyd have given their fans complete information on these forthcoming projects, but The Beach Boys, Mark Linett & Capitol Records are taking the stonewall approach: no information, and of course, this leads many(such as myself) to doubt that this project will be completed and released.

I don't agree at all about Capitol Mark et al "stonewalling" - they are being cautious about leaking information prematurely before Brian has signed off on the content of the 4 CD set and before an agreement with Frank was reached to use his artwork.  Before those two things happen, pictures of the set and package or track lists wouldn't mean anything, right?  And leaking potential art/packaging with Frank's art and without his permission would surely have destroyed the negotiations, as might leaking track lists and having the nuts at the Blueboard weigh in with their two cents.

We will get track lists and photos of the packaging in plenty of time to decide if we want to purchase a deluxe box set - as if either would matter to most of the fanatics, myself included, on this board.

[Mikie]

......and before an agreement with Frank was reached to use his artwork. 

Uh, this is speculation, right? Nothing's definite about this.

And speaking of Melissa, I wish she'd take a back seat to all this.  Or maybe she already did.......

[Jason]

as might leaking track lists and having the nuts at the Blueboard weigh in with their two cents

"Mike Love's vocals are still on it?!?!?! THEY SHOULD BE ERASED!!!1111 He doesn't understand the poetry in Van Dyke's lyrics! He'd be pumping gas if not for Our Brian!!!1111oneoneone"

"i was having a littlee dreamie last night about our brian and when hee was working on releasing the smilee box set for us all and hee said that hee would erasee the mikee lovee vocal performances before any releasee"

"Brian, we support You and Your Band and Your Lovely Family all the way. It is a shame that Your Smile Box Set is being release with Mike Love's Vocals Still On It but You know what's best. Love the SueStunBlueShow"

[The Shift]

The page on the Big O website is no longer active(the download is no longer being offered), nor is the page readily available to read.

Erm…

[Jason]

The page on the Big O website is no longer active(the download is no longer being offered), nor is the page readily available to read.

Erm…

PWNED

[Tilt Araiza]

Melissa is the ex-wife of lesser-known, ginger goatee wearing Smile lyricist Samuel Pierce.  Rumour is she has an acetate of Geronimo Leaps in  her greenhouse.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Andrew, you say that I don't want an official "Smile" project to be released, but I do want it to be released. My true viewpoint, is that I'm irritated at all the secrecy. Why couldn't Capitol, The Beach Boys & Mark Linett toss the fans a few crumbs of information.?

So three articles over the weekend of March 11th-14th detailing the formats and talking with the chief engineer isn't enough ?  And maybe there's a very good reason why no further info.

Given the 44 year on again/off-again promises of an official "Smile" release, giving the fans more information would shore up consumer confidence that this time, it is going to happen; that the project isn't going to falter and fall into long-term limbo.

This is the first time it's been officially announced by the label.

After all, Pink Floyd is giving their fans complete or near-complete information(and a photo of the products) for the three large "Immersion" box sets("The Dark Side of The Moon", "Wish You Were Here" & "The Wall"). Excepting the disc 3 & 4 contents for "The Wall" 7-disc set, Pink Floyd have given their fans complete information on these forthcoming projects...

The Floyd situation is entirely different. All the albums in the latest reissue series have been released: it's just bells and whistles, buttons and bows.

...but The Beach Boys, Mark Linett & Capitol Records are taking the stonewall approach: no information, and of course, this leads many (such as myself) to doubt that this project will be completed and released.

On this MB, and others I frequent, you're the only one walking about with a sandwich board saying "not going to happen !" But, you're so entrenched in your negative mindset that nothing anyone can say will alter that. I repeat: you don't know what you're talking about, and I say that with complete confidence.

[Jeff]

"Back in 1967, Brian never did finalise a running order for “Side One” of the album..."

Entirely true.

 "... but the group of selections from “Good Vibrations” through “You’re Welcome” are indeed Smile’s intended “Side Two”, and the sequence of tracks “Look/Vegetables/Holidays/Wind Chimes/Fire/Friday Night-I Wanna Be Around/Water-Love to Sat Da Da ARE “The Elements” in their intended running order."

...and ya' know when I wrote those words? Back in  2002 or 2003(8 or 9 years ago) when the last revision to my "Smile" compilation was made. Unfortunately, I believed some of the less-than-accurate ideas being put forth by Domenic Priore at the time. He was, after all, the "Smile" authority of those days.

Well, seeing as you've evidently amended the text back in February to note the upcoming release, I have to ask why you didn't change those totally unfounded claims at the same time: it's not 2003 any more.  I started my BB site back in late December 2001, and since then it's been updated on a weekly basis.

Oh, and this, in the comments column dated 2/15/11 ?

"As it turns out, Al Jardine started a hoax, which he has now retracted. “Smile” is not going to be released officially."

Not a hoax, as you well know, and as I pointed out to you in a PM that you chose to make public... but at least now we know why you're hell-bent against the project being released.  

The page on the Big O website is no longer active(the download is no longer being offered), nor is the page readily available to read. Those comments were made at a point when Al Jardine had retracted what then appeared to have been a hoax, and before Capitol's announcement. With that page on the Big O website no longer active or readily available to read, then was no reason to update the status of the offical "Smile" project, nor was there any possibility to update the information there.

Your explanation is bs.  I remember you hyping the Phil Cohen version of Smile a couple of months ago.  You gave out a link to a site where your files could be downloaded, and you wrote on that very site that your version was the definitive Smile.  You were very absolute about it--in 2011.  And you were intentionally (or recklessly) deceiving people, as Andrew says.

It doesn't even matter when you wrote that cr*p.  It was never more than your (or Dom's) opinion, and you should not have presented it as fact.

Yet there's little doubt that you'll continue to make definitve statements about things that you cannot possibly know to be true.

[Jason]

I hereby suggest to our members here that the day the Smile box is released that each of us take a picture of him or herself with the box in hand, a middle finger in the air, and "PWNED" as the caption for Phil.

[PhilCohen]

"Back in 1967, Brian never did finalise a running order for “Side One” of the album..."

Entirely true.

 "... but the group of selections from “Good Vibrations” through “You’re Welcome” are indeed Smile’s intended “Side Two”, and the sequence of tracks “Look/Vegetables/Holidays/Wind Chimes/Fire/Friday Night-I Wanna Be Around/Water-Love to Sat Da Da ARE “The Elements” in their intended running order."

...and ya' know when I wrote those words? Back in  2002 or 2003(8 or 9 years ago) when the last revision to my "Smile" compilation was made. Unfortunately, I believed some of the less-than-accurate ideas being put forth by Domenic Priore at the time. He was, after all, the "Smile" authority of those days.

Well, seeing as you've evidently amended the text back in February to note the upcoming release, I have to ask why you didn't change those totally unfounded claims at the same time: it's not 2003 any more.  I started my BB site back in late December 2001, and since then it's been updated on a weekly basis.

Oh, and this, in the comments column dated 2/15/11 ?

"As it turns out, Al Jardine started a hoax, which he has now retracted. “Smile” is not going to be released officially."

Not a hoax, as you well know, and as I pointed out to you in a PM that you chose to make public... but at least now we know why you're hell-bent against the project being released.  

The page on the Big O website is no longer active(the download is no longer being offered), nor is the page readily available to read. Those comments were made at a point when Al Jardine had retracted what then appeared to have been a hoax, and before Capitol's announcement. With that page on the Big O website no longer active or readily available to read, then was no reason to update the status of the offical "Smile" project, nor was there any possibility to update the information there.

Your explanation is bs.  I remember you hyping the Phil Cohen version of Smile a couple of months ago.  You gave out a link to a site where your files could be downloaded, and you wrote on that very site that your version was the definitive Smile.  You were very absolute about it--in 2011.  And you were intentionally (or recklessly) deceiving people, as Andrew says.

It doesn't even matter when you wrote that cr*p.  It was never more than your (or Dom's) opinion, and you should not have presented it as fact.

Yet there's little doubt that you'll continue to make definitve statements about things that you cannot possibly know to be true.

Dom CLAIMED to have consulted with Brian and some "Smile" sessionpeople in creating his running order for "Smile". Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but no one was coming forward to claim otherwise at the time. And I should note that Priore's proposed running order would have worked within the context of a 20 minute per side vinyl L.P........the BWPS running order would not have fit onto one vinyl L.P. .

[Jonas]

Hey, does anyone know if Smile is being released this year?

[Andrew G. Doe]

"Back in 1967, Brian never did finalise a running order for “Side One” of the album..."

Entirely true.

 "... but the group of selections from “Good Vibrations” through “You’re Welcome” are indeed Smile’s intended “Side Two”, and the sequence of tracks “Look/Vegetables/Holidays/Wind Chimes/Fire/Friday Night-I Wanna Be Around/Water-Love to Sat Da Da ARE “The Elements” in their intended running order."

...and ya' know when I wrote those words? Back in  2002 or 2003(8 or 9 years ago) when the last revision to my "Smile" compilation was made. Unfortunately, I believed some of the less-than-accurate ideas being put forth by Domenic Priore at the time. He was, after all, the "Smile" authority of those days.

Well, seeing as you've evidently amended the text back in February to note the upcoming release, I have to ask why you didn't change those totally unfounded claims at the same time: it's not 2003 any more.  I started my BB site back in late December 2001, and since then it's been updated on a weekly basis.

Oh, and this, in the comments column dated 2/15/11 ?

"As it turns out, Al Jardine started a hoax, which he has now retracted. “Smile” is not going to be released officially."

Not a hoax, as you well know, and as I pointed out to you in a PM that you chose to make public... but at least now we know why you're hell-bent against the project being released.  

The page on the Big O website is no longer active(the download is no longer being offered), nor is the page readily available to read. Those comments were made at a point when Al Jardine had retracted what then appeared to have been a hoax, and before Capitol's announcement. With that page on the Big O website no longer active or readily available to read, then was no reason to update the status of the offical "Smile" project, nor was there any possibility to update the information there.

Your explanation is bs.  I remember you hyping the Phil Cohen version of Smile a couple of months ago.  You gave out a link to a site where your files could be downloaded, and you wrote on that very site that your version was the definitive Smile.  You were very absolute about it--in 2011.  And you were intentionally (or recklessly) deceiving people, as Andrew says.

It doesn't even matter when you wrote that cr*p.  It was never more than your (or Dom's) opinion, and you should not have presented it as fact.

Yet there's little doubt that you'll continue to make definitve statements about things that you cannot possibly know to be true.

Dom CLAIMED to have consulted with Brian and some "Smile" sessionpeople in creating his running order for "Smile". Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but no one was coming forward to claim otherwise at the time.

And he did... but the fact remains that in 198-whenever, Brian wouldn't remember (if he ever knew, and the available evidence says not) and the session musicians wouldn't have known either, because they wouldn't even know what song they were playing most of the time. The only session player who's ever commented was Carol Kaye, who claimed Brian told her  that "The Woodshop" was the rebuilding after the fire. No-one has confirmed or denied that but given CK's track record in factual accuracy regarding which sessions she played on, I'll file that one under "questionable - unproven".

Plus, as you've stated, almost all of what was stated in LLVS ! has since been refuted by further research, as Dom will readily admit. That's one reason I'm eagerly awaiting his box set essay.

[Bicyclerider]

......and before an agreement with Frank was reached to use his artwork. 

Uh, this is speculation, right? Nothing's definite about this.

And speaking of Melissa, I wish she'd take a back seat to all this.  Or maybe she already did.......

I thought someone posted here that in an interview with Van Dyke he mentioned Frank's artwork was being used?  I didn't read/listen to the interview myself, so that may be incorrect.

I do know that negotiations for the artwork have definitely been delaying the packaging being finalized.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Hey, does anyone know if Smile is being released this year?

Probably. Maybe. I dunno. Not sure I care, actually.

[bgas]

Hey, does anyone know if Smile is being released this year?

Porbably. Maybe. I dunno. Not sure I care, actually.

When reacting to Phil that's "poor baby" not porbably...   

Maybe the two of you could get n the ring together( with gloves)

[Mikie]

I thought someone posted here that in an interview with Van Dyke he mentioned Frank's artwork was being used?  I didn't read/listen to the interview myself, so that may be incorrect.

Just re-read a couple of recent interviews with Van and didn't see anything about Frank. Maybe there's something I've missed too. I know a bunch of us are hoping that Frank's artwork be included.

I do know that negotiations for the artwork have definitely been delaying the packaging being finalized.

That's the first I've heard that. I hope they're seriously negotiating with Frank, because the Smile box would be missing a key bit of its history without his artwork. I tried calling Frank in S.F. a couple of times, but no answer. Not sure he could say anything anyway, especially if negotiations with Capitol are indeed in the works.

[Jeff]

"Back in 1967, Brian never did finalise a running order for “Side One” of the album..."

Entirely true.

 "... but the group of selections from “Good Vibrations” through “You’re Welcome” are indeed Smile’s intended “Side Two”, and the sequence of tracks “Look/Vegetables/Holidays/Wind Chimes/Fire/Friday Night-I Wanna Be Around/Water-Love to Sat Da Da ARE “The Elements” in their intended running order."

...and ya' know when I wrote those words? Back in  2002 or 2003(8 or 9 years ago) when the last revision to my "Smile" compilation was made. Unfortunately, I believed some of the less-than-accurate ideas being put forth by Domenic Priore at the time. He was, after all, the "Smile" authority of those days.

Well, seeing as you've evidently amended the text back in February to note the upcoming release, I have to ask why you didn't change those totally unfounded claims at the same time: it's not 2003 any more.  I started my BB site back in late December 2001, and since then it's been updated on a weekly basis.

Oh, and this, in the comments column dated 2/15/11 ?

"As it turns out, Al Jardine started a hoax, which he has now retracted. “Smile” is not going to be released officially."

Not a hoax, as you well know, and as I pointed out to you in a PM that you chose to make public... but at least now we know why you're hell-bent against the project being released.  

The page on the Big O website is no longer active(the download is no longer being offered), nor is the page readily available to read. Those comments were made at a point when Al Jardine had retracted what then appeared to have been a hoax, and before Capitol's announcement. With that page on the Big O website no longer active or readily available to read, then was no reason to update the status of the offical "Smile" project, nor was there any possibility to update the information there.

Your explanation is bs.  I remember you hyping the Phil Cohen version of Smile a couple of months ago.  You gave out a link to a site where your files could be downloaded, and you wrote on that very site that your version was the definitive Smile.  You were very absolute about it--in 2011.  And you were intentionally (or recklessly) deceiving people, as Andrew says.

It doesn't even matter when you wrote that cr*p.  It was never more than your (or Dom's) opinion, and you should not have presented it as fact.

Yet there's little doubt that you'll continue to make definitve statements about things that you cannot possibly know to be true.

Dom CLAIMED to have consulted with Brian and some "Smile" sessionpeople in creating his running order for "Smile". Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but no one was coming forward to claim otherwise at the time. And I should note that Priore's proposed running order would have worked within the context of a 20 minute per side vinyl L.P........the BWPS running order would not have fit onto one vinyl L.P. .

Strawman, strawman, strawman.  This has nothing to do with BWPS.  It has to do with YOU continuing to make demonstrably false statements (i.e., Look is part of The Elements) and claiming these statements to be fact.  It was wrong in 2003, and it's still wrong now, but you're stull doing it, or at least you were in March.

[PhilCohen]

I've decided(after a recent personal message from AGD) to exit from the "Smile" discussion. Good luck to all of you.

[18thofMay]

"Back in 1967, Brian never did finalise a running order for “Side One” of the album..."

Entirely true.

 "... but the group of selections from “Good Vibrations” through “You’re Welcome” are indeed Smile’s intended “Side Two”, and the sequence of tracks “Look/Vegetables/Holidays/Wind Chimes/Fire/Friday Night-I Wanna Be Around/Water-Love to Sat Da Da ARE “The Elements” in their intended running order."

...and ya' know when I wrote those words? Back in  2002 or 2003(8 or 9 years ago) when the last revision to my "Smile" compilation was made. Unfortunately, I believed some of the less-than-accurate ideas being put forth by Domenic Priore at the time. He was, after all, the "Smile" authority of those days.

Well, seeing as you've evidently amended the text back in February to note the upcoming release, I have to ask why you didn't change those totally unfounded claims at the same time: it's not 2003 any more.  I started my BB site back in late December 2001, and since then it's been updated on a weekly basis.

Oh, and this, in the comments column dated 2/15/11 ?

"As it turns out, Al Jardine started a hoax, which he has now retracted. “Smile” is not going to be released officially."

Not a hoax, as you well know, and as I pointed out to you in a PM that you chose to make public... but at least now we know why you're hell-bent against the project being released.  

The page on the Big O website is no longer active(the download is no longer being offered), nor is the page readily available to read. Those comments were made at a point when Al Jardine had retracted what then appeared to have been a hoax, and before Capitol's announcement. With that page on the Big O website no longer active or readily available to read, then was no reason to update the status of the offical "Smile" project, nor was there any possibility to update the information there.

Your explanation is bs.  I remember you hyping the Phil Cohen version of Smile a couple of months ago.  You gave out a link to a site where your files could be downloaded, and you wrote on that very site that your version was the definitive Smile.  You were very absolute about it--in 2011.  And you were intentionally (or recklessly) deceiving people, as Andrew says.

It doesn't even matter when you wrote that cr*p.  It was never more than your (or Dom's) opinion, and you should not have presented it as fact.

Yet there's little doubt that you'll continue to make definitve statements about things that you cannot possibly know to be true.

Dom CLAIMED to have consulted with Brian and some "Smile" sessionpeople in creating his running order for "Smile". Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but no one was coming forward to claim otherwise at the time. And I should note that Priore's proposed running order would have worked within the context of a 20 minute per side vinyl L.P........the BWPS running order would not have fit onto one vinyl L.P. .

Strawman, strawman, strawman.  This has nothing to do with BWPS.  It has to do with YOU continuing to make demonstrably false statements (i.e., Look is part of The Elements) and claiming these statements to be fact.  It was wrong in 2003, and it's still wrong now, but you're stull doing it, or at least you were in March.

This is why when Phil posted here first up I was sceptical..Maybe you were angry you paid good coin for some "un-heard" material. Maybe you wanted to have the "best" SMiLE on the block, either way we dont care. SMiLE is coming out..release date and content TBA.

[Jason]

Just goes to show that diligent research and good natures will always win any Smile argument.

[Peter Reum]

Brian staed to me that he had very little of an idea of sequence for Smile in 1982 or so. He said that he had three movements in mind. Whether he was putting me on or not is open for question. But the only evidence we have for anything on tape with him talking is that Prayer was to lead off the album.  Apparently based on 2003 info, he told Darian that Surfs Up was intended to finish the second of the 3 movements. For all you "12 track" enthusiasts out there, I recognize that this info does not support your ideas. But Brian has been consistent that he did not haveba sequence for Smile finalized in 1966-7. Perhaps further tape sources have revealed other data...we`ll see when the set comes out. My bet is for the equinox..9-21-11...just a guess!