CAPITOL/EMI TO RELEASE "GOOD VIBRATIONS"/"HEROES AND VILLAINS" 78 RPM

[Runaways]

But that's just a doll.  If you don't open it and do some roleplaying, it's nothing!! 
You could get a rubber mallet, and nickname it runaways....   

so far in this thread, bgas has indirectly called me crazy, and now that he wants to pretend i'm a doll and beat me with a mallet. 

.....psychooooo...

[Shady]

My record has been posted and it's on it's way 

So excited!!

[bgas]

But that's just a doll.  If you don't open it and do some roleplaying, it's nothing!! 
You could get a rubber mallet, and nickname it runaways....   

so far in this thread, bgas has indirectly called me crazy, and now that he wants to pretend i'm a doll and beat me with a mallet. 

.....psychooooo...

Nah, I think you're the psychoooooo.... 
I don't have the doll or the mallet; but I have thousands of records and tapes that I will NEVER play. I hope it drives you crazy.   

[Don_Zabu]

With the "Smile Coming Soon" thing, my first thought was "Capitol Records, you crafty bastards." 

[Runaways]

But that's just a doll.  If you don't open it and do some roleplaying, it's nothing!!  
You could get a rubber mallet, and nickname it runaways....  

so far in this thread, bgas has indirectly called me crazy, and now that he wants to pretend i'm a doll and beat me with a mallet.  

.....psychooooo...

Nah, I think you're the psychoooooo....  
I don't have the doll or the mallet; but I have thousands of records and tapes that I will NEVER play. I hope it drives you crazy.  

lol doesn't drive me crazy.  but i'm already crazy cause i bought a record and listened to it i thought!!! slash...OH GOD WHY DOESN'T HE PLAY THEM, OH PLEASE BRIAN WILSON JESUS WHY DOESN'T HE PLAY THEEEM AAWWEEASELKJLK.  and yes...i'm crazy, let me sit down and listen to my new vinyl while you stow it away still sealed in plastic never to be touched or looked at again.

i get it, i just think it's pointless.  

[bgas]

But that's just a doll.  If you don't open it and do some roleplaying, it's nothing!!  
You could get a rubber mallet, and nickname it runaways....  

so far in this thread, bgas has indirectly called me crazy, and now that he wants to pretend i'm a doll and beat me with a mallet.  

.....psychooooo...

Nah, I think you're the psychoooooo....  
I don't have the doll or the mallet; but I have thousands of records and tapes that I will NEVER play. I hope it drives you crazy.  

lol doesn't drive me crazy.  but i'm already crazy cause i bought a record and listened to it i thought!!! slash...OH GOD WHY DOESN'T HE PLAY THEM, OH PLEASE BRIAN WILSON JESUS WHY DOESN'T HE PLAY THEEEM AAWWEEASELKJLK.  and yes...i'm crazy, let me sit down and listen to my new vinyl while you stow it away still sealed in plastic never to be touched or looked at again.

i get it, i just think it's pointless.  

Oh heck, no.  I still look at them. Sometimes I get some of the rarer things out, look at them and smile. This is MINE!!! 
Yeah, I can see how some think it's pointless.
That's part of collecting, I guess. Whatayagoingtodo?

[OBLiO]

came across an interesting blog entry:

http://floweringtoilet.blogspot.com/2011/04/beach-boys-good-vibrations-78-rpm-screw.html

it's kind of like having to worry whether or not the air traffic controller is sleeping when all you want to worry about is reaching your destination.  

This is really interesting: To sum up, the guy on the linked blog has an audio engineering background and is saying the new Beach Boys 78 was not, in his opinion, mastered and/or cut to be heard at its best when played out of the box at 78rpm speed.

So we have at least one report of the record being ruined by a 78 rpm jukebox and stylus.

Another of someone with an audio background who says the record sounds better when played at 45rpm then sped up by the user on another application.

Perhaps the best thing to do with this record is keep it sealed and sell it on Ebay when you get tired of storing it. Playing it doesn't seem to be the best option for this instant collectible.

Hi guitarfool2002:

check it out: the guy who posted that about the RIAA ... he was using some software and what he was used to doing with 78 transfers didn't work the same with this 78RPM when he applied the same EQ settings... he doesn't know why it didn't work, but he knew it sounded better without the EQ settings. So he questioned the RIAA curve and when does it apply...  

Also I think what happened was a bandwagon headed on down the dusty trail when the term 78 was used...
which includes myself, btw... forgetting that turntables did at one time have a 78RPM setting along with 33 and 45.
They still make them of course but who does mastering at 78RPM on vinyl these days, right? SO now that vinyl has made a comeback (not full blown but a decent niche), they wanted the best fidelity so they chose 78RPM.
I think it would have been nice to push the "how to play this record" part for the people who can't play the record
even if they wanted to, unless they buy a turntable... I wonder what the turntable sales are like as a result of RSD.

If you buy the record and want to play it... get a turntable with 78RPM...
If you buy the record and want it as "kitsch" just to have and frame or whatever.. go for it...
it doesn't matter... to each his own...

I don't know if this was mentioned anywhere else on the board, if it was I missed it: what is on the slab?

"Good Vibrations" is the mono mix found on Smiley Smile (mono)
"Heroes and Villains" is the mono mix found on Smiley Smile (mono)

"Good Vibrations (early take)" is the same as on the "Smiley Smile/Wild Honey" two-fer (2001"?")
"Heroes and Villains (alternate take)" is the same as on the Good Vibrations Box Set

And as far as I can tell, the lyrics for Barnyard on Side C (etched in the dead wax) say:
"Do two and a half" not "Do a two and a half"

[OBLiO]

somehow I double posted... how do I delete a double post?

just highlight and hit delete

oh

[Mikie]

This is really interesting: To sum up, the guy on the linked blog has an audio engineering background and is saying the new Beach Boys 78 was not, in his opinion, mastered and/or cut to be heard at its best when played out of the box at 78rpm speed. So we have at least one report of the record being ruined by a 78 rpm jukebox and stylus.
If you buy the record and want to play it... get a turntable with 78RPM...
If you buy the record and want it as "kitsch" just to have and frame or whatever.. go for it...
it doesn't matter... to each his own...

Thank you for that, Oblio!

[Mikie]

I don't know if this was mentioned anywhere else on the board, if it was I missed it: what is on the slab?

"Good Vibrations" is the mono mix found on Smiley Smile (mono)
"Heroes and Villains" is the mono mix found on Smiley Smile (mono)

"Good Vibrations (early take)" is the same as on the "Smiley Smile/Wild Honey" two-fer (2001"?")
"Heroes and Villains (alternate take)" is the same as on the Good Vibrations Box Set

And thank you for that!  So if I have the exact tracks on this new 78 as I do on the CD's you noted above, and the audio quality is no better on the 78 than on the CD's, why should I bother to go out and get a new turntable with the capabilities of playing 78 speed?  Just for one record? No.

And by the way, some of you know this already, but I don't advise keeping the original shrink wrap on the record. It's tight and can cause warpage.

[bgas]

I don't know if this was mentioned anywhere else on the board, if it was I missed it: what is on the slab?

"Good Vibrations" is the mono mix found on Smiley Smile (mono)
"Heroes and Villains" is the mono mix found on Smiley Smile (mono)

"Good Vibrations (early take)" is the same as on the "Smiley Smile/Wild Honey" two-fer (2001"?")
"Heroes and Villains (alternate take)" is the same as on the Good Vibrations Box Set

And thank you for that!  So if I have the exact tracks on this new 78 as I do on the CD's you noted above, and the audio quality is no better on the 78 than on the CD's, why should I bother to go out and get a new turntable with the capabilities of playing 78 speed?  Just for one record? No.

And by the way, some of you know this already, but I don't advise keeping the original shrink wrap on the record. It's tight and can cause warpage.

So you're telling me you bought this, sealed, not to play, and you're going to take the shrink off, so it doesn't warp? ( That seems crazy to me)
Why worry about warping, if you never plan to play it? The future value of a Mint unplayed copy is almost assuredly going  to be less than a Sealed copy.
Just ensure you keep all your valuables, such as this, in a climate controlled room, as I do. 

[guitarfool2002]

came across an interesting blog entry:

http://floweringtoilet.blogspot.com/2011/04/beach-boys-good-vibrations-78-rpm-screw.html

it's kind of like having to worry whether or not the air traffic controller is sleeping when all you want to worry about is reaching your destination.  

This is really interesting: To sum up, the guy on the linked blog has an audio engineering background and is saying the new Beach Boys 78 was not, in his opinion, mastered and/or cut to be heard at its best when played out of the box at 78rpm speed.

So we have at least one report of the record being ruined by a 78 rpm jukebox and stylus.

Another of someone with an audio background who says the record sounds better when played at 45rpm then sped up by the user on another application.

Perhaps the best thing to do with this record is keep it sealed and sell it on Ebay when you get tired of storing it. Playing it doesn't seem to be the best option for this instant collectible.

Hi guitarfool2002:

check it out: the guy who posted that about the RIAA ... he was using some software and what he was used to doing with 78 transfers didn't work the same with this 78RPM when he applied the same EQ settings... he doesn't know why it didn't work, but he knew it sounded better without the EQ settings. So he questioned the RIAA curve and when does it apply...  

Also I think what happened was a bandwagon headed on down the dusty trail when the term 78 was used...
which includes myself, btw... forgetting that turntables did at one time have a 78RPM setting along with 33 and 45.
They still make them of course but who does mastering at 78RPM on vinyl these days, right? SO now that vinyl has made a comeback (not full blown but a decent niche), they wanted the best fidelity so they chose 78RPM.
I think it would have been nice to push the "how to play this record" part for the people who can't play the record
even if they wanted to, unless they buy a turntable... I wonder what the turntable sales are like as a result of RSD.

If you buy the record and want to play it... get a turntable with 78RPM...
If you buy the record and want it as "kitsch" just to have and frame or whatever.. go for it...
it doesn't matter... to each his own...

One of my issues which I've posted about several times was the 33-45-78 compatibility issue with the stylus on whichever turntable you're using. I confess at this current time I do not own a turntable which could play 78's, but I have in the past. And one thing about them is that the stylus had to be changed when going from 33/45 to 78 because of the damage it could cause to both the disc and the stylus. I'm curious how these new players, some of which are very cheap and mass-manufactured, got over that issue and have a case where the same needle can play all speeds where that had been a major issue for decades.

Again I'll repeat I collect all kinds of things from records to music equipment to radios, and to each his own, if you want to keep this record sealed or try to play it. But it seems in light of all the info that has come out about playing the record, it wouldn't seem like that was as good of an option as keeping it sealed as a collectors' piece on the shelf.

If there are no sonic improvements, if it cannot be played on a vintage jukebox, if you're basically getting a 78 cut with 45rpm grooves but it can't be played on 45 speed, I'd say keep it sealed and it will be worth more.

I'm still curious where the notion that this release somehow sounded better got started. If it were cut with wide 78 grooves they may have a point but that isn't the case here.

[Mikie]

Bigass.  I still have original Beach Boys, Beatles, and Stones albums from the 60's still sealed. I left them sealed. They're all thick Capitol and London vinyl. Then when the Beach Boys (and many other artists) records came out on W/B Reprise and other companies in the 70's, they were thinner vinyl. I was told by many people back then to take off the shrink wrap or the records could warp. I experienced it first hand when I left records in my car (windows down) out of sunlight on the floor on a warm day. Also had one warp in my trunk. I also had more than one sealed record warp on me in my house (in a closet) even though it wasn't even that warm in there. Also was told many moons ago that vinyl records could warp if not stacked vertically. ALL of my vinyl, with the exception of a few original sealed albums (which I have duplicates of without shrink) have separate clear polyethelene pam 4 mil protective sleeves on them. And that's what I'm going to put on my new 10" 78! How 'bout dem apples? Geez, I thought you were a collector, Bigass! Shouldn't you know a little bit more about protecting your vinyl collection?

This is a good bet for the new 10" 78 instead of shrink wrap:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013YZRKU/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B003NG2WIG&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0EACKHNV4M956KBH5KCY

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Geez, I thought you were a collector, Bigass!

C'mon man...please don't be like that.

Love & Mercy

[bgas]

If there are no sonic improvements, if it cannot be played on a vintage jukebox, if you're basically getting a 78 cut with 45rpm grooves but it can't be played on 45 speed, I'd say keep it sealed and it will be worth more.

I'm still curious where the notion that this release somehow sounded better got started. If it were cut with wide 78 grooves they may have a point but that isn't the case here.

I think the notion got started , simply, from someone relating that the faster the RPMs the better the sound. They didn't have any inside info that it was better, only that technically it could/should be better. That would seem to not be the case here. 
I'm not opening mine. 

[bgas]

Geez, I thought you were a collector, Bigass!

C'mon man...please don't be like that.

Love & Mercy

Michael likes to think he'll upset me by taking a low road derivation of my posting name. Sorry Mikie! been called "a lot" worse by "a lot"  better. 

  I still have original Beach Boys, Beatles, and Stones albums from the 60's still sealed. I left them sealed. They're all thick Capitol and London vinyl. Then when the Beach Boys (and many other artists) records came out on W/B Reprise and other companies in the 70's, they were thinner vinyl. I was told by many people back then to take off the shrink wrap or the records could warp. I experienced it first hand when I left records in my car (windows down) out of sunlight on the floor on a warm day. Also had one warp in my trunk. I also had more than one sealed record warp on me in my house (in a closet) even though it wasn't even that warm in there. Also was told many moons ago that vinyl records could warp if not stacked vertically. ALL of my vinyl, with the exception of a few original sealed albums (which I have duplicates of without shrink) have separate clear polyethelene pam 4 mil protective sleeves on them. And that's what I'm going to put on my new 10" 78!

Lots of information floating around out there; Some good, some not so. 
Many things can happen to your vinyl. However if you care for it well, store it properly, They'll be OK. 
Sorry to hear you lost the value of your sealed copies; Glad I wasn't the one that gave you that misinformation 

[guitarfool2002]

If there are no sonic improvements, if it cannot be played on a vintage jukebox, if you're basically getting a 78 cut with 45rpm grooves but it can't be played on 45 speed, I'd say keep it sealed and it will be worth more.

I'm still curious where the notion that this release somehow sounded better got started. If it were cut with wide 78 grooves they may have a point but that isn't the case here.

I think the notion got started , simply, from someone relating that the faster the RPMs the better the sound. They didn't have any inside info that it was better, only that technically it could/should be better. That would seem to not be the case here. 
I'm not opening mine. 

That's what I was wondering - I've never actually cut a record or disc with my own hands on a lathe, but in theory and to the best of my knowledge the size and width of the grooves on the 78 disc is what contributes to the sound quality. Larger and wider grooves would equal better sound, and obviously the old 78's had the largest grooves of the commercial speeds and could fit the least amount of music too.

It was the issue we were hashing out over the Hey Jude 45rpm single: they had to fit so much music onto a 45, the grooves had to be made much smaller, and they were worried about the sound quality suffering as a result. Larger grooves in theory would equal better sound.

I'm confused about the whole thing at this point, and I mean totally confused. You're cutting a disc at 45 rpm speed, but to the size of a 78 rpm disc, yet it cannot be played at 45 rpm but also cannot be played by older 78 needles. So are the grooves on this record larger than standard 45rpm grooves, or are they the same or smaller? If the grooves are larger than standard 45's, there may be better reproduction of sound. Yet it it's sped up to 78, it may defeat the purpose? I don't know.

I'm smiling about the whole thing, actually, but the technical part of this has me interested and confused at the same time.

One thing I would not do is buy an "opened" version of this disc on Ebay or elsewhere. It's worthless for a collector and if it has been played who knows what damage may have been done by the stylus.

[Mikie]

One thing I would not do is buy an "opened" version of this disc on Ebay or elsewhere. It's worthless for a collector and if it has been played who knows what damage may have been done by the stylus.

So would you do the same if there were a copy of Stack-O-Tracks or a Beatles Butcher cover or some other rare item for sale that you needed (or wanted badly) to help complete your collection? Or are you just talking about this particular 78?  Records can be nicely re-sealed with shrink wrap, you know.

[guitarfool2002]

One thing I would not do is buy an "opened" version of this disc on Ebay or elsewhere. It's worthless for a collector and if it has been played who knows what damage may have been done by the stylus.

So would you do the same if there were a copy of Stack-O-Tracks or a Beatles Butcher cover or some other rare item for sale that you needed (or wanted badly) to help complete your collection? Or are you just talking about this particular 78?  Records can be nicely re-sealed with shrink wrap, you know.

I'm just talking about this particular Beach Boys 78. If I saw an opened copy on Ebay I wouldn't buy it to play it because of the issues already identified with possible damage that could be done by playing it incorrectly. And I wouldn't buy it opened as a collector looking to future value as a collectible because there would be several thousand other sealed copies in existence as ready-made collectibles and those would be worth more. As soon as you break that seal the value drops. Also, the albums you mentioned are at least 45 years old and were not made as collectibles, meaning they were originally created to sell in mass quantities and be used by consumers rather than originally sold as limited-run collectibles.

[bgas]

  Records can be nicely re-sealed with shrink wrap, you know.

AHA!! 
So that's your "plan"; keep them mint and unwarped, untill the time to sell them, when you reshrink them!!
You're a crafty one, Mikie, I salute you!!   

[Steve Mayo]

  
Many things can happen to your vinyl.

ain't that the truth!!   

[Mikie]

I've never done that, Bgas. I have no reason to. but I know for a FACT that others have sold mint copies of records as "new sealed". I have access at work to a shrink wrap machine that does a GREAT job of shrinking records, manuals, pictures, packaging and other items and everything looks brand new after they're re-shrunk. Nobody notices the difference. I saw one at Tower Records in the back room once and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they or other stores were re-sealing records and re-selling them as new.  

Now about my original U.S. CAPITOL Smiley Smile album (with a black rainbow label) that I found close to mint in a used record shop in Guerneville Ca.  Should I re-shrink it and sell it as new?  You think I could get more $ for it if it's shrink-wraped?

[Mikie]

Ain't that the truth!!   

Yeah, Steve knows. His house got real warm and not only warped his records, but melted them down!

Have you tried to recoup any of those original vinyl records, Steve?  Or is it a low priority on your list?

[Steve Mayo]

been almost 2 years now and still trying to get it settled. had to file lawsuit. depo keeps getting delayed..now its may 2nd. trial june 27 & 28th, for now anyways.

bought a few items and given mp3 copies of a lot of my tape collection that i had traded but i am not really "collecting" for now. want a house first... 

[bgas]

Now about my original U.S. CAPITOL Smiley Smile album (with a black rainbow label) that I found close to mint in a used record shop in Guerneville Ca.  Should I re-shrink it and sell it as new?  You think I could get more $ for it if it's shrink-wraped?

You mean your CAPITOL RECORD CLUB issue of Smiley Smile? 
You can usually ger more for anything that's sealed.