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CAPITOL/EMI TO RELEASE LIMITED EDITION VINYL TITLES FOR THE BEACH BOYS AND SYD BARRETT

EXCLUSIVELY FOR RECORD STORE DAY: APRIL 16

The Beach Boys “Good Vibrations” 78RPM Double Vinyl Single Set and ‘An Introduction To Syd Barrett’ 180-gram Double Vinyl LP Exclusively Available at Participating Indie Music Retailers

Hollywood, California – February 22, 2011 – To support Record Store Day on April 16, Capitol/EMI will release limited edition vinyl titles for The Beach Boys and Syd Barrett, to be sold exclusively by participating independent music retailers across the U.S.


The Beach Boys’ “Good Vibrations”/”Heroes and Villains” will be released as a limited edition double 78RPM vinyl single set with the songs’ original single release mixes on one disc and alternate versions of both songs on the other disc.

An Introduction To Syd Barrett will be released as a limited edition, 180-gram double vinyl LP package with gatefold jacket and printed inner sleeves.  The collection, executive produced by David Gilmour, was released on CD and digitally in November 2010, bringing the tracks of Pink Floyd and Syd Barrett together for the first time on one compilation.

www.recordstoreday.com

 
The Beach Boys: Good Vibrations/Heroes and Villains [ltd. edition 78RPM single set]

Disc 1                                                    Disc 2

Side A    Good Vibrations                   Side A    Good Vibrations (Early Take)

Side B    Heroes and Villains            Side B    Heroes and Villains (Alternate Take)

 
An Introduction To Syd Barrett [ltd. edition 180g 2LP with gatefold jacket]


Side 1

1. ARNOLD LAYNE Pink Floyd
   

1. HERE I GO Syd Barrett (2010 Remix)

2. SEE EMILY PLAY Pink Floyd
   

2. OCTOPUS Syd Barrett (2010 Mix)

3. APPLES AND ORANGES (Stereo) Pink Floyd
   

3. SHE TOOK A LONG COOL LOOK Syd Barrett (2010 Mix)

4. MATILDA MOTHER (2010 Mix) Pink Floyd
   

4. IF IT'S IN YOU Syd Barrett

Side 2
   

5. BABY LEMONADE Syd Barrett

1. CHAPTER 24 Pink Floyd
   

Side 2

2. BIKE Pink Floyd
   

1. DOMINOES Syd Barrett (2010 Mix)

3. TERRAPIN Syd Barrett
   

2. GIGOLO AUNT Syd Barrett

4. LOVE YOU Syd Barrett
   

3. EFFERVESCING ELEPHANT Syd Barrett

5. DARK GLOBE Syd Barrett
   

4. BOB DYLAN BLUES Syd Barrett

 
Produced by (1) Joe Boyd, (2-6) Norman Smith, (7, 8, 10) Malcolm Jones, (9, 12, 13) David Gilmour & Roger Waters, (11) Syd Barrett & David Gilmour, (14-17) David Gilmour.

How many of us own a turntable that can play 78rpm discs?

It will be easier to decipher the words, since they're not singing as fast...

I have a Technics direct-drive turntable that I bought in the early 1980's and even a turntable that old does not spin at 78rpm, just 33 1/3 and 45. Geez, what are they thinking? Is the 45rpm that dead?

I have a stack of old 30's and 40's big band 78's here and nothing to play them on. I used to have an old console player from the 60's which had 4 speeds: 16, 33 1/3, 45, and 78, but that bit the dust. None of my turntables from the 80's onward has a 78 speed, just as you said, and the stylus wouldn't be right anyway if they did. A modern turntable which can play 78's is a specialty item, I used to see them advertised in Goldmine and other magazines for several hundred dollars.

I mean, I'm all for record companies pandering to the geek ticket cos it means we get cool sh*t like The Pet Sounds Box and acapella mixes, but a 78? You're doing it wrong, Capitol.

Hey Look!  You can buy this one on Amazon for $49.99( free shipping), and it plays 78s: 
http://www.amazon.com/Jensen-3-Speed-Stereo-Turntable-Radio/dp/B000UVKE2I/ref=sr_1_1?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1298395455&sr=1-1

I like the 78 idea. It'll be a great  novelty item!  Maybe it'll start a trend...

Right and knowing these guys, they'll finally release the Smile box set in 78 and leave it at that. ::)

Two songs that were supposed to be on 'Smile' get re-issued on single? Interesting. Makes you wonder if they're part of a PR campaign for something bigger.

Maybe they'll reissue "Surfin" as a limited edition Edison Cylinder.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_uT-6DNNXTO4/SU37i5LSN_I/AAAAAAAARmY/CYbHINE5JJY/edison.jpg)

 :lol

Of course ! The Smile Sessions 1966-67 are going to be released on 72 double sided 78s !!!! Genius !  ;D

Ah, I love record store day, and the beach boys are involved this year...bliss

I LiKE that idea!!  
That would be super cool, and perfect for those of us with 78 playing turntables;  
Which will probably be everyone on this board on April 16th...

We could be like Brian playing the acetates for the Vosse Posse trying to figure out the playing order...

i have a 78 option on my record player.  YEEAAAAAAAH

http://www.examiner.com/beach-boys-in-national/beach-boys-good-vibrations-78rpm-double-vinyl-single-set

Hollywood, California, Feb. 22 2011:
Mike Love and Bruce Johnston have announced a special closed-circuit television broadcast, scheduled for April 1, 2011, where they will perform live versions of both Heroes And Villains and Good Vibrations to celebrate the event of a limited-edition 78 rpm release of those songs on Capitol's label. According to a source close to the duo, in keeping with the spirit of the 78 rpm release, the broadcast will be carried only on analog UHF television broadcast frequencies, and will not be available in high-definition, digital, or in color. Limited edition "rabbit ear" style UHF antennas, featuring the Beach Boys logo, will soon be available at most Radio Shack locations for $9.99 US. For those who do not own nor have access to an analog television set, this special broadcast is being recorded on videotape and will be available for sale. If you choose to pre-order, please specify Beta, VHS, or laser disc when requesting a copy.

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/tvmikebruce.jpg)

My direct drive turntable doesn't have a "reverse" or 78 rpm setting, but I know from experience that in neutral it does play records backwards on finger power.
Wouldn't finger-power 78 rpm be possible?

This 78 rpm thing does seem too weird to be true.

Issuing them in 78 rpm format but not on shellac! What were they thinking?

 :lol

How do you know they're not on shellac?

And soon they'll be wanting to melt them again for the war effort too!

Rocker quote from another thread.

Yes, it sure looks like it could really be a very good anniversary year. Like you say, only February and we already saw and read interesting stuff. I am excited and feel the "excitations" climbing

Beach Boys, there are the chances. Now....... blow them....

 :lol

I can't believe they're actually releasing a 78.  Ridiculous.  ::)

That said, record store day is a bit of a joke.  Just an excuse to flip something on ebay really.

This discussion reminds me of a fine and funny Richard Thompson song - "Don't Sit on My Jimmy Shands" (The "Jimmy Shands" being shellac 78s): http://www.richardthompson-music.com/song_o_matic.asp?id=181 (http://www.richardthompson-music.com/song_o_matic.asp?id=181)

"SMILE" font on the album sleeve, hmmm ...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2011/02/record-store-day-beach-boys-ozzy-osbourne-syd-barrett.html?utm_source=feedburner

Hey Donny,

Check out the smile thread - we're already discussing the significance of the font there - Does seem prescient. Let's hope, anyway!

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,9845.800.html

Is this whole "78 RPM" idea just a way to get more publicity?

No - Capitol commissioned a study and this is the future of recorded music.

 :lol brilliant! So the SMiLE box set will consist of 100 78rpm disks then?  :smokin

No - 93.

OK, as long as it will be released, the format won't bother me...

I just wanted to add a footnote to this - Columbia is releasing a similar, and lavish IMO, box set featuring re-releases of all the original Robert Johnson 78rpm releases, the originals of course being some of the most coveted blues 78's out there. The labels are repros of the original "Vocalion" name and it's offshoots, and it comes in one of those library-style portfolios like the classical 78 sets used to be packaged.

However, the big difference here is the Robert Johnson discs are actually played at 45rpm, so the majority of buyers can actually play the records on a standard turntable.

It's still sort of odd, but the 45rpm twist on the concept of reissuing 78's is very interesting.

 Interesting that two labels are taking similar, if different, tacks for Record store day. Not jujst special releases, but 78's. Amazing they'd come up,separately, with the same format.  
Of course the crybabies will say Capitol should have also made their release playable as 45s... ( or CDs)

There seems to be a mini-trend working here!

It touches on a point I had earlier about the Beach Boys 78, the fact that Robert Johnson's music was originally released and experienced on 78, while the 78 format was dead when the band released their first single, yet the Johnson set updates it just enough to appeal to fans of vinyl and blues 78's and makes it more accessible to a larger audience. Johnson's 78's were always sought after, for decades with some songs available nowhere else but the old 78's.

But even so, listening to Robert Johnson on an original 78 is a singular experience, and if the records are 45 it's not exactly the same...Tough call. If you're a fan of the artist and have some extra cash, you'll probably buy the product, plain and simple. Whatever anyone thinks of it doesn't amount to a hill of beans if people accept the concept and buy the product.

Now when will they bring back Crystal Pepsi, anyway? I liked that stuff. :-D

It is just odd that a performer who released on 78 rpm gets re-released on the 45 rpm format, while The Boys get the opposite treatment. As bgas says, it is for Collectable purposes only.

I love vinyl more then anything but even I think doing it at 78 defeats the purpose of Record Store day which is partially to show people how cool vinyl can sound. I am all for record collecting but why do it if you don't play the damn things or in this case cannot. I am not about to buy a 78 turntable for one record.

maybe you should start collecting Indian Beach Boys 78's, to give you enough reason to buy another turntable ;D

Whatever makes the money, I suppose. 

BTW all you audionerds on this forum, clue us hopeless morons in.  78's are actually a pretty damn good media to put audio on, aren't they?  I've always heard that 78's were actually pretty bad ass.  These should sound pretty good, shouldn't they?

I have 2 windup 78 players.    They will ruin "electric" 78's.   We need vintage 78 pre vinyl Beachboys records for my machines.  

And how about re releasing some 4 track tapes and players?

Tell you what.../.some player piano roll versions of Brian tac piano H&V.     Yeah!

I had a funny feeling they're release Good Vibrations now that the Smile 1966/67 version is going to be released in a few of months

Surely Capitol wouldn't do something like that just to pique interest in a summer Smile Sessions release. BTW, the Smile 'version' was going to be the hit single.

Speaking of 78's I assume the new ones will be cut with standard stereo LP lathes?  So that three-speed turntables will play them without changing the needle?  To play historic 78's properly you need a 78 stylus (wider than both the stereo LP needle and the 1950's-style mono needles).  I'm sure for record store day they will use modern cutting methods, they don't want to make this too difficult for people.

Many new inexpensive turntables are three-speed again, but only a few cartridge-makers (i.e., Audio-Technica) still make 78 styli that you can pop on in place of the LP stylus to play older 78s.  Indeed, for super-audiophile turntables, the cartridge itself must be replaced when you want to play 78s, the stylus does not detach from the cartridge.  Wotta headache.

The last gimmick 78 of this type I have is a Stiff Records promo 78 of Joe "King" Carrasco's "Buena" - in stereo, played with a regular LP needle - from 1978 or so.

And yes 78s can sound fantastic - especially the later jump blues/rock & roll 78s cut from tape sources.  Those are sought after for old-style 78 jukeboxes. With the higher playing speed comes less surface noise and distortion. but like I said you need a 78 needle and be able to bridge the signal to mono to remove lots of the shellac/vinyl hiss.

Wow, Dr. Tim, you reminded me of something I had forgotten about for nearly 40 years: my grandparents had a turntable that had both a 78 and a 33 1/3 needle built into the same cartridge. You simply rotated the correct needle into position depending on the disc. I believe this model originated in the 50s.

It is amazing how things like this jog the memory - I also grew up with a console model radio/turntable set from the early 60's. There were 4 speeds actually, including 16 rpm which obviously was only used for laughs. But I did have a small stack of 78's, and to play them you would indeed turn the cartridge upside down so it read "78", then you could safely play the 78's. Playing them on the 33/45 side would damage both the needle and the record.

It is definitely not as easy as saying "I'm going to play a 78" unless you want to risk damaging something. The niche market for a new 78 is soooooo small...

And one other thing to consider - by design, the 78 speed was a good format for audio. But having had more than one original 78 literally crumble in my hands as i tried to put it on that player, they were very delicate and became worse in some cases over time and depending on how they were stored. I lost an original "In The Mood" by Glen Miller and an original Bill Haley 78 by doing nothing more than trying to play them, and I was old enough at the time to know better!

THEY ARE INDEED DELICATE.  WHEN MY GRANDFATHER PASSED I INHERITED HIS 78'S.  I WAS A CHILD BUT I TRIED TO BE CAREFUL KNOWING THEY WERE BRITTLE.   THEY WERE ALL BROKEN WITHIN A YEAR OR 2.  ACCIDENTALLY DROPPING ONE ON ITS EDGE, EVEN FROM A COUPLE OF INCHES SEEMED TO BE ENOUGH TO BREAK THEM.  I NOW HAVE SOME ROCK ERA 78'S BUT I HAVE THEM MOUNTED IN FRAMES AND DON'T BOTHER THEM. 

EVEN SOME 45'S SEEMED TO BE QUITE BRITTLE.  MY RED BIRD LABEL 45'S ALL SEEM TO HAVE DEVELOPED  CRACKS OR CHIPS.

Funny. I went to a sale, some time back, and they had a few hundred 78's. Some really great Blues too! The only problem being, they had been stored in the attic of this house, and the really good ones were WAY bent up. NOT broken or chipped, but no way you'd ever get them to play. wierdest thing I've ever seen with 78s

Some warped 78s can be un-warped.
See:
http://www.ehow.com/how_4548167_straighten-warped-78-rpm-records.html
http://www.experts123.com/q/how-do-you-straighten-warped-78-rpm-records.html

Sure, figures.  I checked at the time, and the records were valued somewhere around $5-700 each, but I didn't buy them because of the warping.( some looked like lasagna noodles)  Had I known this then....

I assume this Beach Boys set won't be brittle but still wish they did it on 45 as that's the Beach Boys era. If I was a Sinatra collector I would make sure to have 78's but I'm into stuff from the early 50's to the early seventies and only a hanfull of titles haven't been reissued on 45 or LP from the 51-53 era because the slower speeds were already being phased in. From 1954 on I can't think of anything just on 78.

Apols for bum,pin this up with a speculative speculation,

But I'd speculate as many already have that the versions of GVs & H&V on this release will be the same as we already have, given that Mark indicated in his Billboard interview that the SMiLE packages are some way from being finalised. I also wonder whether the 78s are being put together by a different team so that MArk and Alan can focus on the real job in hand.

This is a pointless exercise. A 78 rpm bonus giveaway with the Smile boxed set would be one thing (like the MTR giveaway with Holland), but to expect anyone to actually pay for this...? Whoever's cunty idea this was must really hate Beach Boy fans.

Before the official boxset was announced, I was planning on getting the 78 - but since there will be two singles issued with the boxset (and no doubt they will probably be the same 'Heroes and Villains'/'Good Vibrations' singles - and will actually be playable) I am holding off.

So are you going to buy one?

The point of the exercise was twofold - to promote Record Store Day, and to subtly trailer the Smile Box. In both of these aims it has been entirely successful.

LOL

That Brother John is an articulate individual.  ;D

Well, I do have a wind-up gramophone which plays 78s, but no I won't be buying one. I shall definitely buy the Smile box, but like lots of fans I resent having every possible penny squeezed out of me. The Beach Boys/Wilson companies handling releases do seem to be particularly greedy in this respect. And yes AGD you are right of course, but I say pointless because it offers nothing new to the Beach Boy fan. Some people will buy it because they buy everything, but its just another few buck that some fans feel obliged to shell out.

In fact I was slightly the worse for drink when I posted, hence my barely contained rage and the colourful adjective, which I'm glad Sam_BFC enjoyed!   ;)

I love it when I learn new words

Was checking Ebay this morning, and noticed an Italian record store has a copy of the 78 set up for a 20 Euro Buy It Now: 

http://cgi.ebay.com/BEACH-BOYS-GOOD-VIBRATIONS-HEROES-AND-VILLAINS-78-GIRI-/260765724003

I thought that record wasn't gonna be out until Record Store Day on April 16th!

Wonder if it was sold... or withdrawn ?

Sold for 20 euro it seems

Were that store to have been noticed selling Record Store Day releases that way, it would be kicked out of the scheme.  Still might be if anyone choses to shop it (Shop a store? Store a shop?).

The whole point is to get music fans into stores.

These stores are biting the dust because of cheap competition on the internet, and this is a great way of countering it.  Or at least, it coulda been…

so its a 10 inch that plays as a 78 right? - http://www.recordstoreday.com/SpecialReleases#The%20Beach%20Boys

Here's a small tidbit.
Back in college I had to write a paper on the history of recordings and did a bunch of research regarding 78's to find that some of the materials used to make them consisted of- tree bark, dirt, mud, oil and tar!! That's why they are so brittle. The BB 78's will be vinyl, NOT mud!  ;)

From the Hoffman board...

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=245912&page=50


Let's just hope that whatever this card says, it doesn't end up in Smile infamy along with the "We're sure to sell a million units in January!" in-house promo and the Teen Set "Look! Listen! Vibrate! Smile!" ad.

You mean a disappearing act? 
The Teen Set ad is not ALL that hard to come by, while the promo LP is darn near impossible.

Yes, rarity is an element of it, but mainly I meant that I hope this insert doesn't jinx everything and promise something (i.e., "Watch for Capitol's super-duper deluxe Smile Sessions box set!!!  Coming to your favorite record store in Summer 2011")  that ends up not happening.

Bgas... what is this in-house promo LP of which you speak?  I've never heard of it.


And by the way, I think I might like to get this disc.  I collect 78s and restore old phonographs, and to have this really odd record just seems... pretty neat. 

One copy, that I kow of; resides in a home in the UK. Capitol/Angel promo that has the "we'll sell a million" recording. Plain white cover, I think, and very generic appearing labels. 

A card?

If they wanted to do it up the old-school way, they'd make the card playable on phonographs with a little hole in the middle to punch out so it fits on the turntable. Like those old cereal box records that wouldn't play unless you put a coin on them to weigh them down.

So much for the rumored 5000 copies; here's one on ebay with #5473: 

http://cgi.ebay.com/BEACH-BOYS-Good-Vibrations-RSD-78-dbl10-VINYL-LIMITED-/220768834597?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3366d91425

Did they say this one was going to be a 5000 copy release? I know they did for the Don't Fight The Sea single but I don't recall seeing how many of the GV/H&V were being printed.

Huh, I heard 1000 for DFTS

From the eBay listing

"Limited numbered copies, this is #5473"

Don't know if they started at "0001" but they made it to 5473.

I thought they said something like the first 1000 copies of DFTS are going to be printed on white vinyl and the rest will be a different color.

yes, that's what I heard. Does anyone think there are more than 1000 copies going to be needed? 

http://www.examiner.com/beach-boys-in-national/al-jardine-what-s-store-on-record-store-day?CID=examiner_alerts_article

Somebody please go and ask Al if any of their acetate material has made the box. Also the chance of an alternate mix of Heroes showing up on TSS. If anyone's going to spill the beans on this release, he's the man I reckon!

has anybody checked out the back cover of this release yet?

I just watched a video over on the Record Store Day website, and there was a 14 minute video of a guy going through and talking a little about all the releases, and at about 3:08 he pulls out the beach boys GV/H&V release and turns it around...

SMiLE.  ;D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/SnareSG50/Screenshot2011-04-14at105454AM.png (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/SnareSG50/Screenshot2011-04-14at105454AM.png)

Is that the Rubber Soul font? Maybe we can start the "Beatles stole SMiLE" argument again  ;)

*Love* the "vocal group with theremin" line on the label...

...

It looks....beautiful

Look again -- SMILE is in all caps! None of that split-case stuff.  ;D

What is it that fellow is holding in their left hand?

An RSD pamphlet, I think.


The question I ask you, dear Smilers, is whether or not I get up at stupid o'clock on saturday and go and buy one. My personal favourite shop is opening at 8AM.  They are expecting to do heavy business. I live 20 minutes walk away. I have no means to play a 78. Why am I so tempted?  ;D

One part of me is tempted to get it because of the awesome mylar/Smile-font cover. However, the other part of me says that this is a marketing scam created by people that want my money so don't get it....and yeah, I can't even play the damn thing. 

I don't know which side to take at this point. :o

I'll probably end up skipping buying it - the same vinyl (only playable) will probably be included in the boxset anyway.

Possibly. Possibly not.  Two assumptions there:

1 - that the "alt." versions are what we already have on the 2fers (granted, that's a very reasonable one)

2 - that the 45s in the box will be the same as the 78s. Purely on marketing grounds, I'd doubt that.

I'm thinking I might go to Berkeley on Saturday and pick up a copy of the Good Vibrations single and try to get it autographed by Al for my uncle's birthday.  :afro

I know it's been discussed earlier in the thread but I never did understand why it was on 78, but that's cool, I hear for the 60th they are releasing Adult/Child on recording wire....

You're right, we don't know either for sure, but I'd wager that no.1 is a 99.9% certainty based on the fact we've already seen these 78s on ebay, and nothing has leaked about 'new' alternate versions.

We've been programmed since childhood to want things we can't use and buy things we don't need. It's the genius of marketing. Witness a news report I saw last night about Apple's plans to release a "white iPhone". People who already own iPhones apparently will buy another fucking iPhone because they want a white one instead of their current color.

I say that because spending a few bills on a 78rpm Beach Boys release doesn't seem so frivolous in comparison to buying a phone you already own because the color is more fashionable.

I'm tempted too, BTW. Not to purchase the white iPhone but the 78's...

The following info from poster 'emkay' at the Hoffman board:

Got the Good Vibrations / Heroes and Villains double 78rpm.

There's a CD sized flier inside the sleeve that simply says SMILE Coming Soon.

Also, the runout groove of the 4 sides have quote from the "Barnyard" lyrics. Pretty neat.

So -- how many of you can actually play this platter? 
__________________
-mk

Not sure what the quote is but it's certainly intriguing!

I wonder what he means by quote?

I presume "out in the barnyard, the chickens do their number" or such like is inscribed on the runout groove but who knows. He could have put more info in the post!

Probably didn't know anymore; it came form the Hoffman board, after all. 

Just noticed that an Ebay seller has the 78 set listed as being one of 7000 Copies worldwide. 

i may go pick one up. looks cool.

Picking one up tomorrow if they have it in Tower Records Dublin

Serious leap of logic and wishful thinking here ...

... but musing on the significance of a Barnyard quote etched into the 78 of H&V/GV:

It was once the tag of H&V, so could this be a hint that they've found a version that incorporates Barnyard as the tag?

Alternatively it's just a teaser and not indicative of any 'new' material to surface on TSS, but just makes me wonder; why Barnyard? Why not etch the Cantina section lyrics into the runout, or some other smile piece more obviously associated with Heroes or Good Vibrations? After all, even on BWPS, Barnyard is not part of Heroes.

Picked up Number 0985 at Townsend Music in Clitheroe. A thing of beauty. If I can retrieve my 78rpm player from my parents' house, I might even open it one day!

The SMiLE logo on the back, by the way, is 66/67 vintage though not the lettering from the cover slick. My copy of LLVS is in the attic, boxed, otherwise I'd reference it immediately. AGD will recognise it I'm sure.

Anyone who's opened one know what the quoted lyrics on the runout are yet?

Typical - Even the fans that own this disc can't tell us what's inside!

 :lol

Just want to protect it for the day I do open it!

Looks very similar to the Smiley Smile tshirt lettering that Alan was wearing in 1967.  Can I find a photo ? Can I.... no, I cannot.

Good call -  it was reminding me of some Getting Hungry 45rpm artwork though again I'm not sure where to look for it…

Picked up this release in Tower Records Dublin this morning.

Cannot play it yet because don't have a 78rpm player so don't know how it sounds.

It's got a card inside with the message in red on a white background "SMiLE coming soon". Unlike the back cover, the typeface of the word smile is the same as the Frank Holmes album cover.

The words in the grooves:

Side A: Jump in the pig pen
Side B: Next time I'll take my shoes off
Side C: Hit the dirt, do two and a half
Sied D: Next time I'll leave my hat on.

No. 720

How much?

Thanks for the info, and nice attention to detail whoever put this release together.

dang it...i don't neeeed it.  and smile is coming out soon with all of that...it's a far drive...and i need to study for finals...must resiiist..

Not certain if this is the one to which you refer: 

(http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/bgasnow/alstandup.jpg)

That's the one... and of course, on reflection, the lettering on the back of the 78s looks very little like what's on the shirt, except in overall shape. Phooey.

GAH I NEED IT. *runs out the door*

to anyone who's already picked up a copy from a store, what was the in-store price?

^ also if anyone from America has picked it up could ya let us know the price? Thanks!

Apparently the H&V on this release is 3m and 39 secs - I can't seem to find a version that is this long (or short) - I haven't heard it

Any ideas anyone??

Never seen that one before. Would love to have a T-shirt with that logo myself.

It is $13.99 in Canada.  Being a total sucker, I bought two copies from different stores.  No. 5530 and 6793.  Will open one when I have access to a capable turntable.

BACK. with number 3261.

i think the store i went to had only 2.  They may have had more in the back.  I got there right before the store opened, saw one other person walking around with the other.  this thing is amazing looking.  american price was 12.95. 

I will now open it cause i see no point in leaving it sealed.  This is meant to be listened to. 

*play by play*
I like the outside a lot.  The gold is embossed a lil and shiny.  The SMiLE ad on the inside is a nice touch, definitely using the original logo.  The label is brown.  and man i never would have noticed the Barnyard lyrics in the groove if y'all didn't mention it first. 

how wild would it have been if they didn't announce the smile sessions until people saw the ad in this release?

Good Vibrations sounds pretty good.  The player i have access to that plays 78s isn't as nice, but it sounds solid. 
The a capella scatting part for heroes and villains sounds reaaally nice.  All the vocals for it sound great actually.  Never heard Brian sound so close on the part after "healthy wealthy and wise" (first time hearing these two on vinyl).  It seems to be a normal version/edit.  Actually i just noticed that both good vibrations and heroes and villains were given a 3:39 running time...so that may be an error?

I didn't get that close! What a ZOO; 200 people standing in a line winding around the store, to get a chance to look thru all the RSD releases. 
Makes Ebay more appealing, fer sure. I skipped out, not wanting to spend 1-1/2 hours waiting, to find out it was gone....

yeah it took me 15 mins in and out.  convenient.

So upset. Sold out in both tower records stores I went to.

When I went to the second Tower, some German dude had just got the last one, along with like 6 other singles which I don't understand because the rule was one each.

I did come away with a Beach Boys Today! Vinyl, Capitol vaults edition  :-\

Pottered out today at about 11am and my record shop had a queue round the block, and had been open since 8am. Didn't feel it was worth swinging by later....

I was about 60th in line at the only record store in Charlotte participating in RSD.  They opened at 10AM, and were letting about 20 people in at a time (small store).  By the time I got to through the door the 3 copies of the Beach Boys release that they had been allocated were already gone...  But I got on eBay from my iPhone and was able to buy a copy for $19.95 + $4.00 s&h, and I've already gotten the shipping confirmation.  Comes out to about $10.00 over what I would have paid locally, but oh well.

Lee

There are a couple on ebay already, btw....

I was 10th in line in Tucson.......12 men, 3 women before opening....2 people discussing SMiLE.....2 copies on the shelf, gone in under 2 minutes....would have been quicker but it was farther back in the store.  I got #3969 for 12.99.

They were gone from the other Tucson store by the time I got there 20 minutes after opening.
Didn't manage to get one for my collector buddy who lives overseas...one to a customer. Did get a heap of sampler CDs for free.

Waited in line for an hour (before they opened) at one store and managed to get copy number 6144, and then when to another store that opened an hour later than the first and managed to grab another copy (1638).  They look pretty.  I guess my record stores are a bit pricier.  One was $20 and the other was $18.  As soon as the kid goes down for a nap I am going to go to the basement and try to listen to it.  Any one know a decent way to transfer a usb 45 speed to 78 speed?

There seems to be quite a few on ebay...

i wonder where the back cover "SMiLE" came from (yes the "i" is lowercase).  for the curious, it says the art direction on it was by tom recchion

I counted 56 on offer.      Ah, the entrepreneurial spirit.

Went to two independent record stores in Southern California.  One had 3 copies, the other 8.  Both charged USD $11.99.  But, when I put Good Vibes on my Wurlitzer 1015 78 rpm jukebox, I was really disappointed to discover that these new records were cut with standard LP microgrooves, and not the wider grooves traditionally found on 78 rpm records.  The result, when attempting to play the record on my jukebox, was that the wider stylus (about four times as wide as a normal stylus) would alternately skim across the top of the grooves, then settle into a groove and play the music for awhile, then pop out and skim, then pop back in, repeating the process.  And, when the stylus did settle into the grooves, it would dig into the top portion of the vinyl grooves, leaving a black powdery residue on top of the playing surface.

In addition to the Barnyard lyrics in the run-out grooves, on the classic Capitol 78 rpm era label for Good Vibrations is the notation "Vocal Group with Theremin", a cool design element which is reminiscent of the info often found on the labels of old 78's, like "Foxtrot", "Piano Solo with vocal", etc.

As I was typing this I got a call from a friend who attended Al's Record Store Day performance at Amoeba Records in Berkley.  He said Al opened with Vegetables, did a lot of talking about the music between songs, played parts of Heroes and Villains, Don't Fight the Sea, and, by request from a member of the audience, part of Lookin at Tomorrow.  He also autographed copies of the white vinyl with red label single of Don't Fight the Sea and Friends a capella, which went for $20 with proceeds going to Japan relief efforts.

I was at Amoeba Records in Berkeley this morning.  Didn't get there in time to get a 10" vinyl (Damn!) but got the white vinyl single signed by Al. Cool impromtu little 3-song concert. *In my best Bob Eucker voice* - I must be in the front row! The highlight was definitely "Lookin' At Tomorrow"!

more details mikie plz thx k

Did he say anything about the Smile box???

Just put a bid down on ebay for a Vinyl.

I refuse to pay 80 bucks though, damn touts.

Al said there's definitely something in the works for a Beach Boys reunion this year, but he can't say anything more.

They are shooting for a July time frame for the Smile Box.  He says there's going to be some surprises on it.

I asked him about crawling on the floor making animal noises and he laughed and said he remembered it well!

He said Van Dyke Parks is a great songwriter, a great musician, and a great guy.  Jokingly said that Van Dyke and Brian "must have been on acid when they did Heroes (or was it Vegetables).

Great stuff!!

Don't let Bill or Fishmonk see that, we'll never hear the end of it  ;D

Dudes and dudettes, I'm so siked for this boxset, I can hardly contain my joy. Everyday I torture my girlfriend with thoughts of this amazing, joyous occasion. I was mad/sad when I was unable to purchase the 78 today- turns out only two were available at the record store near me, and some dorks bought them already- probably the ones selling on E-Bay, not real fans...oh well.

I will take off of work if I have to to make sure I get this set on the release day. If it's on a Tuesday that won't be a problem. After a self-imposed SMiLE! exile, this music is going to provide me with pure aural pleasure...if you catch my drift.  :o

I wonder what the surprises are...

You're right, Hype!  I was thinking of you guys when I was there.  Knew if I asked Al about Zen in relation to SMiLE, the fans there would have booted my ass to the back of the line!   ;D

Talked to some old Bay Area fans there; Panaiotis and Mutedtrumpeterswan (he's the one who requested "Lookin' At Tomorrow") who post here sometimes as Al was about to end the thing. Les Chan couldn't make it I guess. Les? Where were you?

Al's son Adam showed up late but didn't contribute.  Al was looking for some counterpoint and harmony parts for "Don't Fight The Sea" but just winged it on his own.  Said Brian and Mike recorded and "flew in" the parts for the version of the song for his solo album. Al had trouble hitting the high notes, but he's forgiven at what, 68 years old? He was VERY positive and upbeat, very comfortable, and told a couple of good stories.

There were 3 or 4 guys there with pro cameras and others with cell phones taking pictures, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Berkeley and/or San Francisco gigs today are on YouTube or Al's Facebook thing.

Mikie,

Did Al have is whole band there? Was Bobby Figueroa there? I noticed he is touring in Al's band.

Thanks!

No, he was there by himself. Adam came later, but didn't do anything but smile. Al played the first half of Vegetables on a Ukelele, the second half on an acoustic geetar. Spent a lot of time trying to mic the Uke so it could be heard, so there was some stop and go's and a gap while he changed between instruments. He sang the "candy bar wrapper" lyrics in Vegetables, which was cool. I saw a LOT of autographs from well-known band members on that acoustic, so I'm sure he's auctioning it off, along with the white-vinyled singles with 4 BB autographs on it, which I never saw.

There might be more band members playing with him in S.F. today, as I heard that he rehearsed at Red Barn last night.  Another gig is coming up for Al at a music festival in Big Sur in mid-May.

Ok thanks.. hope a vid shows up... it's weird looking at Al's Tour Schedule, he has only 6 gigs listed.
One more question: Did you or anyone ask about the Worms acetate?

I asked someone who knows an insider working on the project about the Durrie Parks acetates and if they exist, that's all.  The answer was neither yay or nay!   :'(

Have to wait and see I guess...

Great question!, btw            baaaaaa :spin mooooooo

Thanks for the updates from Berkeley, Mikie.

The imagination starts to run a bit when I hear that Al is promising "some surprises."   The dream, of course, is that the Smile box will contain some previously unheard gems that will just blow us all away, but trying to keep my expectations in check and not get my hopes up.

Even though I missed out on getting one  :-\ It was awesome seeing the beach boys sell so fast all over the world.

Now with smile "coming soon", things could not be better. Great times to be a Beach Boys fan  :rock :ohyeah :drunks :listening

Is Red Barn in SF?  I heard that he was practicing in a studio in SF for the show in Japantown he did today. 
Wish I lived there( at times) so I could get in on these shows!

OH yeah. Meant to mention. Went to a store late today, and they had a copy of the 78's for me.  WOOHOO!!!!! 
Plus, I got to see the re-formed Skeletons play a short set which included:"How She Boogalooed It"( A Bobby Lloyd Hicks favorite)
Loved it. 

My husband and I left for our spring break vacation early this morning, and we knew we wouldn't have time to go to any shops in our area to find the single.  My mother, who lives 1000 miles away, offered to check a shop near her.  Fortunately, she got it!  However, I'm going to have to wait until I visit her in July to get it; I don't want her to ship it and risk something happening to it in transit.  I'm so glad I kept my dad's old record player (circa 1970), which plays 33, 45, 78...and 16!  Has anyone ever seen a 16 RPM record?

Since I won't be seeing my copy for 3 months, could someone please post a photo of the "smile" on the back cover?  I'm curious to see what it looks like.  Thank you!

Exactly, Juggler. That's the way to be. It's safer not to get the hopes up and not be disappointed. We've heard most of it already, and if there's anything new or alternates that we haven't heard before, it's a bonus. Icing on the cake.

One other thing. I told Al that I've been collecting Beach Boys records since 1970, the same year he did a song with Brian that I really like called "Back Home". He looked at me with a surprised look and said slowly, "Yeeeeaaaaah!" I like that one too!

With many thanks to a poster on this board, I'm lucky enough to have a GV/Heroes 10" too!  Thanks again, RP!

Red Barn's in Alan's back yard in Big Sur.

Really ? His recent track record would indicate otherwise...  unless no-one's told him anything, of course ;D


I can believe that.

They exist. I would imagine the credits will indicate if they contained anything useful.

Does that mean they've been listened to by Mark & Alan? Nice!

"You're right, Hype!  I was thinking of you guys when I was there.  Knew if I asked Al about Zen in relation to SMiLE, the fans there would have booted my ass to the back of the line!  

Talked to some old Bay Area fans there; Panaiotis and Mutedtrumpeterswan (he's the one who requested "Lookin' At Tomorrow") who post here sometimes as Al was about to end the thing. Les Chan couldn't make it I guess. Les? Where were you?

Al's son Adam showed up late but didn't contribute.  Al was looking for some counterpoint and harmony parts for "Don't Fight The Sea" but just winged it on his own.  Said Brian and Mike recorded and "flew in" the parts for the version of the song for his solo album. Al had trouble hitting the high notes, but he's forgiven at what, 68 years old? He was VERY positive and upbeat, very comfortable, and told a couple of good stories.

There were 3 or 4 guys there with pro cameras and others with cell phones taking pictures, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Berkeley and/or San Francisco gigs today are on YouTube or Al's Facebook thing."

Thanks for that,  Mikie!  :-D

It means they exist. VDP confirmed that to me many, many years ago.

Hope this link takes you to a pic of the rear sleeve -  someone might recognise the source of the artwork.

http://www.hhv.de/index.php?rid=233612&cid=1126028191&action=changeLanguage&lang=en#

So how long until we get some BBs on wax cylinder?!

Only 364 more days until next Record Store Day....

You're welcome, Smilin' Ed.  Sorry I don't have more to say about the gig - Al only did 3 songs and they were partials at that. But what he did play was cool in an intimate setting, kind of an improptu thing for the fans.  I was standing off to the side about 6 feet away, which made it even neater, and gave me a chance to ask questions before and after the gig.

AGD, Al seemed pretty sure of himself regarding a reunion.  He was right when he leaked the news about SMiLE, so here's hoping......  By the way, your name came up during discussions amongst members of the fan base community here, Andrew.  Seems you're a very popular guy on these message boards........   ;D

A fellow collector just informed me that he heard there were 7,000 of these singles pressed.  So before you spend a lot of cash, search around first, guys!

That was my plan as well. I'd really want a copy in my collection. But the current prices of most offers on Ebay are ridiculous.

I caved when I got home last night and bought one on eBay.  $32.99, plus $4 shipping.  I may have been able get one  cheaper by bidding, but I don't have the time or patience.  I don't think I'll regret this purchase.

Funny; I've seen quotes from a UK seller that "only 500 were made, but I have # 543 , so how is that possible?" . 
Seen the 7000 number for worldwide, but also seen one numbered 7473 or some such, so I'm guessing there's probably more like 8000. 
Lot of em on ebay. Take the time to put in a bid for your top dollar, and forget about it; if you win, great! I think the crazy people offering them for 80 or 100 or 350 will be bring their prices  down when they don't sell...

I think the UK only got 500, from what I heard.

Oh, and I'm bidding on one now, so if any of you bastards beat me to it....  

Dammit!

Bought one!

Paid 31 bucks for it though, ugh, it's worth it.

If you outbid me.... >:(

Ha, no it wasn't on ebay.

Already been outbid a couple of times on there, I gave up.

Haha, ok. Where did you pick yours up? Been outbid twice today  :angry

Well I tried a lot of UK/Ireland stores online but they were all sold out.

So I came across this site called http://www.discorder.com/ (http://www.discorder.com/), they have it for 10.99, sadly they charged me an arm and a leg for shipping.

Got it anyway, just wanted to buy it and get it out of the way.

Did nobody post pictures of the artwork (or the disc, but none of you guys have opened them yet  ;D) or did I just miss the post?

I wanted to drive the hour to Berkeley to pick one of these up but I had to spend all my money on books for school.

Books for school?!  Some folks just don't have their priorities in order.   ;)

I also have a question about the artwork.  On pictures of the red-on-white "SMiLE coming soon" insert, there appears to be something written below the Capitol logo.  What is it?

From what I've heard, it would have been a wasted trip; they went fast, and all apparently to people who wanted them to sell on Ebay.

The writting under the Capitol logo is the serial no. 509990 98341 18

The serial no. of the 78rpm is the same: 509990 98341 18

Hi Turtle_13,

Just noticed something in the lyric on side C... does it say "do two and a half" or "do a two and a half"?  no "a"?

Thanks

gotta look for those Buy-It-Now's on ebay, snagged one for $30!! ;D
almost didn't get one, 'till someone started raving about the quality..


i hope i'm not disappointed!

Ah, thanks.

16 RPM records were used primarily for transcription purposes or spoken word - significantly increased recording time per side, but terrible fidelity.


On an unrelated note, I can't make out who did the art direction of the new vinyl release in the posted link image; what does it say?

Put it this way: If I were the proud owner of an old Wurlitzer jukebox, a bubble-top or any other model, that would be my main reason to buy this 78rpm release as something other than a collectible item not to be played. Hearing records on any of those machines is such a cool experience!

To hear that this particular 78rpm record cannot be played on one of the most common 78rpm players seems a bit absurd to me, and I'm sorry to hear your record for all intents and purposes got carved up by what should have been the "correct" needle.

So what can you play this record with if not on an old 78 jukebox?

Yes!! I'm not the only guy who paid 30 bucks to get one.  :smokin

One of the new phonographs they're selling ywhich plays at 33-45-78. that or a laserdisc player?

my player had a 78 setting.

You mean those little "Crosley" models that are made to look old? Do they have a stylus which can be changed to play 78's? I'm asking seriously - the last turntable I had which played 78's, you had to change the stylus to avoid damage if you wanted to play 78's.

I just found it odd that what I'd consider one of the most enjoyable ways to hear a 78rpm record - on a vintage jukebox - seems to have destroyed the record. I never would have guessed that until hearing how that happened.

I might be able to give one of these a spin too  ;D :
(http://www.vinylkiller.de/vinyl-killer.jpg)

I would say if you really to play the record, find a local antique dealer/collector and discuss needle vs. groove before attempting to play it. The presentation is "kitsch" to me, overall and not necessarily practical in the real world. It's what has become of the record industry as a whole. I don't even ask the question anymore whether the record industry is concerned with satisfying the sonic pallette... I can only "hope" whatever is presented is listenable and engaging.

For Instance: this is a nice little note accompanying the Band on The Run re-issue addressing how 24 bit technology
will solve this issue... (NOT! IMHO)-

The audio industry has seen many technical innovations since Band
on the Run was first released on vinyl in 1973, the most notable
being digital recording. However, with the introduction of CD came
two advances, “de-noising” and “peak limiting” which have become
increasingly unpopular within certain areas of the music industry and
amongst audiophiles.
De-noising was introduced to remove the inherent sound, or hiss,
associated with analogue tape. The amount of processing used to
remove tape noise can be varied, but when used excessively, many
believe that it also has a detrimental effect on elements of the musical
sound.
Peak limiting is a process that increases the loudness of music. It is
achieved by holding the loudest peaks down and raising the overall
level of the music. Much depends on the amount of limiting applied,
but at its most extreme the result can be a serious reduction in the
dynamic range and often audible distortion.
The release of The Beatles’ remasters in 2009 saw a marked change
in attitudes towards these issues, where both noise reduction and
limiting were used sparingly with the aim of representing the master
tapes more accurately.
Such is the case with the newly remastered CD of Band on the Run:
tape noise reduction has scarcely been used and the degree of limiting
is subtle. In addition digital technology has advanced with the
ability now to offer recordings in 24 bit/96kHz. The high resolution
version is being made available via download and is being offered in
two formats: limited, which is comparable in volume to the remastered
CD, and un-limited, which in comparison with the limited version
will sound quieter, but retain the dynamic range of the original
master recording.
Allan Rouse
Abbey Road Studios

Why is this even included? Why does any of this have to be justified?
Why would retaining the dynamic range even be questioned?!

I ask myself sometimes "what is the point?" There is no point!
oh well...

That's interesting stuff about Band On The Run - Geoff Emerick won a Grammy for engineering that album (and doing parts of it under some extremely bad conditions in Africa...). The most ridiculous part of that whole thing is offering the "high resolution" version as a digital download...invariably so you can hear all the sonic improvements through earbuds on an iPod?

It's more expensive, and more fun too, but the best way to hear these things as they were intended is to buy an original pressing of the vinyl and play it through some decent equipment, whether it be nice speakers, a quality turntable, or a nice pair of higher-end studio grade headphones. If the sound can be "improved" through all kinds of digital dither-dather and bitrate/resolution fantasies, so be it, but I'll take those first pressings which the mixing and mastering was originally done to maximize the quality of the listening experience, which was of course 100% analog. Great example - the original mono single mix of Paperback Writer with the pumping bass, which 95% of Beatles fans never hear on a regular basis.

A better compromise would have been to do what they did on a limited edition Robert Johnson box set I mentioned elsewhere: make the records look like 78's and feel like 78's but have them playable on 45rpm. If you can't play the new 78 release on a vintage 78 jukebox, why make it a 78 at all?

Excellent points.... I heard or read... I have to find this again or maybe someone already has this... but Brian Wilson understood the blending of sounds to achieve another sound. He stated it himself. If I can find it again I will post it.

One difference I hear between analog and digital is that digital sounds glassy to me. Analog has a better grip. It's not to say that digital is bad and digital is great for capturing almost all the aspects, but is still lacking in that earthy quality. One thing I hear much of is a lack of center in the sound stage... where the sides are separated and you can be forced into listening to just one speaker at a time. I have seen the word "clean" used in reference to mixes. I don't want clean or separation if it wasn't meant to be. I want "well-blended" and dynamic. Plus, I have heard music at 16/44 that sounds better than the 24 bit stuff. 24 bit is used for headroom. So when I see that comment about limiting, it makes no sense to me. How about this? For 16-bit masterings, lower the volume. I have a volume control on my player and I will make the adjustment in volume on my own.

I think it was in the early 90's, Capitol released a past masters series of Beach Boys cd's. The sound was like night and day in comparison. I really do not understand why those masterings are not used for all pressings. And those would have to be 16/44 and they even blew the vinyl away. Just seems odd to me.

Anyway don't want to rant too much about it... but you'd think an industry built around presenting blended and dynamic sound collages would consider that people will actually be listening.
 

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2ahwm7k.jpg)

(http://i53.tinypic.com/152hzc2.jpg)

What are the last two words inscribed? Something off?

...next time i'll take my shoes off..

C'MON MAAAN. 

each side had a different barnyard lyric.

I have no idea how I didn't put that together...long day I guess.

Nice, thanks for the pictures. Disappointed I didn't get a chance to pick one up.

Yeah, I like the pics!  The packaging is really cool.

But why in the world would anyone think these were made to play on a vintage jukebox??  Just looking at the image I see from the very recent post tells me the grooves are much too fine to be played on something OLD.
It's been trumpeted on here many times that it has to be a gimmick, and yet the first thjought is "let's try this on my old 78 jukebox".  
wank.  
Sad that the record may be ruined, but come on....
It's a gimmick. It's also obvious that they didn't think it thru to someone trying to play it that way; maybe they figured people would get it enough to try it on a more recent model, IF AT ALL.  

I caved in and bought one after seeing a copy at my local record store for 11.99. Ah, well. I've always wanted Good Vibrations on vinyl.

And that's all it took.  Somebody else I talked to said the store they went in had 50 copies in the racks!  my store had 5 total. another I went to had 4, and some didn't get any!!

Perfect video for us who were not able to get one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvUOrjK7qRc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvUOrjK7qRc)

edit:

H&V clip uploaded too by another user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSrpAxnpxhs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSrpAxnpxhs)

I do have to laugh at some of this, but with the footnote stating I did not buy a copy of this gimmick record nor do I see the far-reaching value of it beyond sentimental attachment for those fans who are excited about collecting this record, and I understand that impulse *completely* as a collector of odd items and such wanting to own this. That's more than cool, but this one didn't strike me as a must-have so I passed.

It also seems like the dealers and resellers had a field day buying than inflating the price of this record almost immediately on Ebay and other outlets. Reminds me of baseball card dealers selling worthless bobblehead stadium giveaway figurines on Ebay for huge profits the night they're given away for free at the ballpark. The swine... ;D

But to question why someone who collects and owns a vintage 78 player would *dare* attempt to play it on that player is going beyond the pale, just a bit. What would you normally do with a 78 besides play it on a record player which plays 78's? And if it were designed for the modern players, do those 100 dollar turntables that play 33-45-78 have a sound quality which would justify the sonic improvements if there are any on this 78 release, or is the ol' Crosley replica turntable going right into an mp3 converter so it can be listened to on the commute into work this week? Or posted on a blog or YouTube somewhere (give that one 24 hours to be pulled down... :-D)?

I tag this whole reply carefully with a  :) because I'm enjoying these reports and the conversations quite a bit. In other words, I'm smiling the whole time which may have been the point of Capitol issuing a 78 which can't be played on a 78 jukebox all along.

I'm just gonna throw out a guess and say maybe they found the lead vocal for "Barnyard". I mean why would they put the lyrics on this vinyl and then put out SMiLE featuring "Barnyard" with no lead vocal. I mean, its possible they might fly the Humble Harv "Heroes And Villains" demo vocal onto it, but I think maybe this was a subtle hint that we are getting something cool.

Not sure if it was really all that clear what it was other than it was a 78. Was it ever clear?
I humbly retract "kitsch".
The packaging looks beautiful...
It's in mono and I checked out the youtube vid and it sounds good...
78 RPM=better sound, but you need a turntable that has the 78 rpm
Thanks to the posters who posted the photo and video.

Dude on the above video says it takes a normal stylus, btw

I love this sentence...it's so Capitol of Capitol to do this.  "Hey, let's put out a 78 that can't be played very well!"  Most fans (and by most, I mean about 98%) ended up with a really cool thing and not much more. 
But even if it's a gimmick, it's still all good.  The retail price was reasonable for a limited-edition really-cool-thing. The packaging is gorgeous.  And despite Capitol being Capitol, they do know the BB/BW fanbase exists and put out things like the PS box, Endless Harmony, and Hawthorne, CA.  It was good to see a BB item as part of Record Store Day, too.

Yes!! Got one off ebay for 28 euros, so happy!!!

The website I bought one off yesterday sent an email this morning saying they had no more stock, but thank god for ebay!  :spin :woot

You mean those little "Crosley" models that are made to look old? Do they have a stylus which can be changed to play 78's? I'm asking seriously - the last turntable I had which played 78's, you had to change the stylus to avoid damage if you wanted to play 78's.


Crosley's are GREAT!!! Look great, sound even better...till they break...which they always do..  :-\ Went through two of them just listening to vinyl.

Is it just my enthusiasm for the project or does Heroes and Villains sound REALLY good even with that youtube video's crappy audio?

Is it the Smiley H&V's??

Didn't sound like any mix of H&V I have ever heard.

Dang-it. I wish I had this. Can't wait for this box set.

Sounds like the H&V form Smiley though a bit sped up.

The quality of that YouTube "Heroes" fragment is too poor to make a good judgement on the quality of the mix. But...

One thing that jumped out of the sonic muck, though, were the "DOOOO YOOOUUUU" backing vocals. I remember more than one fan blasting how loud that vocal was on BWPS' version of Heroes, and whether it was Foskett or Darian the criticism was harsh, with words like "obnoxious" being hurled at whoever was singing that part in Brian's band.

Now we have a *Beach Boys* version/mix where those DOOOO YOOOOUUUU vocals are as in-your-face as BWPS!

Lovin' it. :-D

I thought the "doo you" sounded much more forward in the mix too (but has you said, hard to tell because of the sound quality).

I agree.  FWIW, a lot of the modern multi-speed tables play everything a bit too fast.

Pretty cool.

Is it me or does it look like it was copied from something? Almost like handwritten lyrics.

Would someone kindly let me know the catalog numbers (if there are any) of the 78s and the "DFTS" single ? Thanks.

Okay, let the games begin... Whose penmanship?  Anonymous artist at Capitol?  Brian Wilson?  Van Dyke Parks?  Alan Boyd?  Diane Rovell?  :lol

We need to see more copies to decide if  they were done by hand or not.

BTW, my vote goes to 6 year old Indonesian boy.

The 78 is listed as 509990 98341 18 at Discogs.  No entry for DFTS yet.

http://www.discogs.com/Beach-Boys-Good-Vibrations-Heroes-And-Villians/release/2830541?ev=item-vc

Many thanks.

Don't fight the Sea seems to be RR 1101.

Splendid. Thanks all.

came across an interesting blog entry:

http://floweringtoilet.blogspot.com/2011/04/beach-boys-good-vibrations-78-rpm-screw.html

it's kind of like having to worry whether or not the air traffic controller is sleeping when all you want to worry about is reaching your destination.  :p

This is really interesting: To sum up, the guy on the linked blog has an audio engineering background and is saying the new Beach Boys 78 was not, in his opinion, mastered and/or cut to be heard at its best when played out of the box at 78rpm speed.

So we have at least one report of the record being ruined by a 78 rpm jukebox and stylus.

Another of someone with an audio background who says the record sounds better when played at 45rpm then sped up by the user on another application.

Perhaps the best thing to do with this record is keep it sealed and sell it on Ebay when you get tired of storing it. Playing it doesn't seem to be the best option for this instant collectible. :-D

I'm really amazed that anyone would want to play this!  I bought mine to keep it sealed forever.
This isn't an average vinyl release I'd buy to play, not by a long shot.

Hold the phone! Wasn't there talk of some kind of improved sound quality as a selling point on this record release, or am I recalling what fans were saying versus the official line? I thought the fact that the songs were "remastered" was a selling point, though I could be wrong. If that were the case, you would need to actually play the record to appreciate the selling point...if I'm wrong, it's a moot point and the record was designed as something to buy and collect  but not to be played.

I just heard this for the first time this morning. My verdict: It's not remastered. It sounds just like whats on Smiley Smile. Glad I heard it first. No way would I spend $30+ on this.  :afro

We talked about this up top.  A friend of mine got this on record store day.  As I thought, it was mastered with a standard LP lathe, as any modern LP or 45 would be.  It just plays back at 78, like "Buena" by Joe "King" Carrasco, or "Just Like Gene Autry" by Moby Grape (from the "WOW" album, 1968).

If the guy played the 78 on an old Crosley or Victrola fitted WITH A 78 NEEDLE, of course it would sound awful!  The old reproducers put, like, 8 oz. weight on the record, plus 78 needles are wider and would cut a standard LP/45 groove to ribbons! Dope!!

Perhaps the best thing to do with this record is keep it sealed and sell it on Ebay when you get tired of storing it. Playing it doesn't seem to be the best option for this instant collectible. :-D
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I bought it for listening. It's not like you can get a new vinyl of Good Vibrations or Heroes and Villains for that price.

it's MUSIC. you LISTEN to it.  it's just a piece of nothing if you don't use it. 

Well if that's the case I have a LOT of pieces of nothing that don't get played!!  I will value it as a collectible and it will more than likely sit dormant in my vinyl collection without ever getting played until I die and beyond.

If the Good Vibes and Heroes are anything different on this 10" vinyl than what's already been released or booted, someone will surely pop it on a CD or Mp3 and I still won't have to play this. It's a nice welcome addition to my collection; that's all. Why should I play this thing if it's the same song versions that have been released 1000 times already since 1966/'67?

If you are into containers that have the titles of Beach Boys music on them for non-listening purposes I may have some items you'd be interested in purchasing sir:

There are a lot of things that people collect that they don't do anything with. Stamps, coins, paintings, figurines... So that's also nothing?

Someone in Pakistan could look at a vinyl record and see a shingle for a roof....I love it when people say that there is only one use for an item - if it's not used in the way they see fit there is no point in using it...which is ridiculous. As long as someone is happy with their own use of things and it's not effecting anyone else I don't see why there is fuss.

But humans are apparently meant to argue with one another.

I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but are the B-sides the same alternate/early versions as on the Smiley Smile/Wild Honey 2fer?

It definitely seems that way. I didn't get it, but it seems that everything is the same... makes me wonder if there will be anything new after all on the box set....

The alternate takes no, but you can easily find a sealed copy of the analog-cut green label Smiley Smile pressing for that price.  I can just about guarantee it will sound better.  Green label Beach Boys is untouchable IMO.

And you collect... ?  ::)

Post of the day, without question  ;D

I don't understand why that's the post of the day. It ain't funny. Kinda dumb, actually. I don't give a poo about owning any tape boxes, whether there's tapes in 'em or not. Besides those boxes are fukin' fake! How does that relate to collecting a piece of vinyl and not playing it because it contains the same versions and sound quality as the songs that I have on other vinyl and CD's about 10 - 15 times already.  Is this virgin vinyl where it's gonna make a big difference in sound, like other classical and jazz albums recorded on virgin vinyl for audiophiles? I doubt it very much.

You got any records that you don't play because you have the same songs on other previous albums and CD's and Mp3's, Hypehat?  You got a real nice turntable, cartridge, and stylus to play it on where you'll hear a big difference? It's fukin' MONO! BIG DEAL! If I want to hear these songs in the best quality, I'll pull out my Japanese Pastmasters Series Smiley Smile.  If I want to hear the songs in stereo, I'll listen to the stereo remixes of them, which to me BLOW AWAY THE MONO's!

Hypehat, you're easily amused.   Post of the day!

Shelter, you're right on the mark, bud.   Some people don't get it though. 

Maybe I'd understand if somebody bought this thing and didn't have the songs anywhere else in their collection and had a turntable or jukebox capable of 78 speed. Otherwise, why bother to bring it out of the sleeve other than to look at it and/or show people?

Nice of you to ask. I collect records, CDs and DVDs, and tickets of concerts and football (soccer) matches that I've been to. I also used to collect coins, I don't anymore, but I still have my old collection. How about you? ;)

Mikie, you get angry easily. In case you didn't notice, I was f*cking joking. Lighten up. Sheesh.

OK, sorry.   Lost my head.   

I know how you feel every time i go in the SMiLE Sessions thread, it's cool  :lol

I used to collect lots of things but my kids trashed them..

You joke too much. better be careful ! next time Mikie may act before he thinks. 

Next time I will think before I act and be all over Bigass.....uh, Bgas.  And there will be at least two posters backing me up.  We've already compared notes, Mr. Buttinski.  Couple people here are real tired of your negative smart-ass remarks.  Get that, Chrissy?   ;D

Now see, there he goes already. Poor Sap!

Ha I'm glad you appreciated it!

well when stamps, coins, paintingss and figurines can do more than just sit on a shelf, let me know.

...some people collect more than others. Seriously, there is at least something we all have that we collect. If I could've bought this record I would've probably opened it up. However I bought 3 copies of BWPS on vinyl. I play one, gave another away, and the 3rd stays wrapped... Indeed, that is something I want to keep and eventually pass down...

Also, don't make fun of me too much bought I did get the autograpghed BX action figure too! That is a collectible, although many a times I am tempted to open it up and put a fire helmet on his head...(he watches over my art studio).

But that's just a doll.  If you don't open it and do some roleplaying, it's nothing!! 
You could get a rubber mallet, and nickname it runaways....   ::)

so far in this thread, bgas has indirectly called me crazy, and now that he wants to pretend i'm a doll and beat me with a mallet. 

.....psychooooo...

My record has been posted and it's on it's way  ;D

So excited!!

Nah, I think you're the psychoooooo.... 
I don't have the doll or the mallet; but I have thousands of records and tapes that I will NEVER play. I hope it drives you crazy.   :-D

With the "Smile Coming Soon" thing, my first thought was "Capitol Records, you crafty bastards."  :hat

lol doesn't drive me crazy.  but i'm already crazy cause i bought a record and listened to it i thought!!! slash...OH GOD WHY DOESN'T HE PLAY THEM, OH PLEASE BRIAN WILSON JESUS WHY DOESN'T HE PLAY THEEEM AAWWEEASELKJLK.  and yes...i'm crazy, let me sit down and listen to my new vinyl while you stow it away still sealed in plastic never to be touched or looked at again.

i get it, i just think it's pointless.  

Oh heck, no.  I still look at them. Sometimes I get some of the rarer things out, look at them and smile. This is MINE!!! 
Yeah, I can see how some think it's pointless.
That's part of collecting, I guess. Whatayagoingtodo?

Hi guitarfool2002:

check it out: the guy who posted that about the RIAA ... he was using some software and what he was used to doing with 78 transfers didn't work the same with this 78RPM when he applied the same EQ settings... he doesn't know why it didn't work, but he knew it sounded better without the EQ settings. So he questioned the RIAA curve and when does it apply...  

Also I think what happened was a bandwagon headed on down the dusty trail when the term 78 was used...
which includes myself, btw... forgetting that turntables did at one time have a 78RPM setting along with 33 and 45.
They still make them of course but who does mastering at 78RPM on vinyl these days, right? SO now that vinyl has made a comeback (not full blown but a decent niche), they wanted the best fidelity so they chose 78RPM.
I think it would have been nice to push the "how to play this record" part for the people who can't play the record
even if they wanted to, unless they buy a turntable... I wonder what the turntable sales are like as a result of RSD.

If you buy the record and want to play it... get a turntable with 78RPM...
If you buy the record and want it as "kitsch" just to have and frame or whatever.. go for it...
it doesn't matter... to each his own...

I don't know if this was mentioned anywhere else on the board, if it was I missed it: what is on the slab?

"Good Vibrations" is the mono mix found on Smiley Smile (mono)
"Heroes and Villains" is the mono mix found on Smiley Smile (mono)

"Good Vibrations (early take)" is the same as on the "Smiley Smile/Wild Honey" two-fer (2001"?")
"Heroes and Villains (alternate take)" is the same as on the Good Vibrations Box Set

And as far as I can tell, the lyrics for Barnyard on Side C (etched in the dead wax) say:
"Do two and a half" not "Do a two and a half"

somehow I double posted... how do I delete a double post?

just highlight and hit delete

oh

Thank you for that, Oblio!

And thank you for that!  So if I have the exact tracks on this new 78 as I do on the CD's you noted above, and the audio quality is no better on the 78 than on the CD's, why should I bother to go out and get a new turntable with the capabilities of playing 78 speed?  Just for one record? No.

And by the way, some of you know this already, but I don't advise keeping the original shrink wrap on the record. It's tight and can cause warpage.

So you're telling me you bought this, sealed, not to play, and you're going to take the shrink off, so it doesn't warp? ( That seems crazy to me)
Why worry about warping, if you never plan to play it? The future value of a Mint unplayed copy is almost assuredly going  to be less than a Sealed copy.
Just ensure you keep all your valuables, such as this, in a climate controlled room, as I do. 

One of my issues which I've posted about several times was the 33-45-78 compatibility issue with the stylus on whichever turntable you're using. I confess at this current time I do not own a turntable which could play 78's, but I have in the past. And one thing about them is that the stylus had to be changed when going from 33/45 to 78 because of the damage it could cause to both the disc and the stylus. I'm curious how these new players, some of which are very cheap and mass-manufactured, got over that issue and have a case where the same needle can play all speeds where that had been a major issue for decades.

Again I'll repeat I collect all kinds of things from records to music equipment to radios, and to each his own, if you want to keep this record sealed or try to play it. But it seems in light of all the info that has come out about playing the record, it wouldn't seem like that was as good of an option as keeping it sealed as a collectors' piece on the shelf.

If there are no sonic improvements, if it cannot be played on a vintage jukebox, if you're basically getting a 78 cut with 45rpm grooves but it can't be played on 45 speed, I'd say keep it sealed and it will be worth more.

I'm still curious where the notion that this release somehow sounded better got started. If it were cut with wide 78 grooves they may have a point but that isn't the case here.

Bigass.  I still have original Beach Boys, Beatles, and Stones albums from the 60's still sealed. I left them sealed. They're all thick Capitol and London vinyl. Then when the Beach Boys (and many other artists) records came out on W/B Reprise and other companies in the 70's, they were thinner vinyl. I was told by many people back then to take off the shrink wrap or the records could warp. I experienced it first hand when I left records in my car (windows down) out of sunlight on the floor on a warm day. Also had one warp in my trunk. I also had more than one sealed record warp on me in my house (in a closet) even though it wasn't even that warm in there. Also was told many moons ago that vinyl records could warp if not stacked vertically. ALL of my vinyl, with the exception of a few original sealed albums (which I have duplicates of without shrink) have separate clear polyethelene pam 4 mil protective sleeves on them. And that's what I'm going to put on my new 10" 78! How 'bout dem apples? Geez, I thought you were a collector, Bigass! Shouldn't you know a little bit more about protecting your vinyl collection?

This is a good bet for the new 10" 78 instead of shrink wrap:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013YZRKU/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B003NG2WIG&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0EACKHNV4M956KBH5KCY

C'mon man...please don't be like that.

Love & Mercy

I think the notion got started , simply, from someone relating that the faster the RPMs the better the sound. They didn't have any inside info that it was better, only that technically it could/should be better. That would seem to not be the case here. 
I'm not opening mine. 

Michael likes to think he'll upset me by taking a low road derivation of my posting name. Sorry Mikie! been called "a lot" worse by "a lot"  better.  :)


Lots of information floating around out there; Some good, some not so. 
Many things can happen to your vinyl. However if you care for it well, store it properly, They'll be OK. 
Sorry to hear you lost the value of your sealed copies; Glad I wasn't the one that gave you that misinformation 

That's what I was wondering - I've never actually cut a record or disc with my own hands on a lathe, but in theory and to the best of my knowledge the size and width of the grooves on the 78 disc is what contributes to the sound quality. Larger and wider grooves would equal better sound, and obviously the old 78's had the largest grooves of the commercial speeds and could fit the least amount of music too.

It was the issue we were hashing out over the Hey Jude 45rpm single: they had to fit so much music onto a 45, the grooves had to be made much smaller, and they were worried about the sound quality suffering as a result. Larger grooves in theory would equal better sound.

I'm confused about the whole thing at this point, and I mean totally confused. You're cutting a disc at 45 rpm speed, but to the size of a 78 rpm disc, yet it cannot be played at 45 rpm but also cannot be played by older 78 needles. So are the grooves on this record larger than standard 45rpm grooves, or are they the same or smaller? If the grooves are larger than standard 45's, there may be better reproduction of sound. Yet it it's sped up to 78, it may defeat the purpose? I don't know.

I'm smiling about the whole thing, actually, but the technical part of this has me interested and confused at the same time.

One thing I would not do is buy an "opened" version of this disc on Ebay or elsewhere. It's worthless for a collector and if it has been played who knows what damage may have been done by the stylus.

So would you do the same if there were a copy of Stack-O-Tracks or a Beatles Butcher cover or some other rare item for sale that you needed (or wanted badly) to help complete your collection? Or are you just talking about this particular 78?  Records can be nicely re-sealed with shrink wrap, you know.

I'm just talking about this particular Beach Boys 78. If I saw an opened copy on Ebay I wouldn't buy it to play it because of the issues already identified with possible damage that could be done by playing it incorrectly. And I wouldn't buy it opened as a collector looking to future value as a collectible because there would be several thousand other sealed copies in existence as ready-made collectibles and those would be worth more. As soon as you break that seal the value drops. Also, the albums you mentioned are at least 45 years old and were not made as collectibles, meaning they were originally created to sell in mass quantities and be used by consumers rather than originally sold as limited-run collectibles.

AHA!! 
So that's your "plan"; keep them mint and unwarped, untill the time to sell them, when you reshrink them!!
You're a crafty one, Mikie, I salute you!!   :lol

ain't that the truth!!   :'(

I've never done that, Bgas. I have no reason to. but I know for a FACT that others have sold mint copies of records as "new sealed". I have access at work to a shrink wrap machine that does a GREAT job of shrinking records, manuals, pictures, packaging and other items and everything looks brand new after they're re-shrunk. Nobody notices the difference. I saw one at Tower Records in the back room once and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they or other stores were re-sealing records and re-selling them as new.  

Now about my original U.S. CAPITOL Smiley Smile album (with a black rainbow label) that I found close to mint in a used record shop in Guerneville Ca.  Should I re-shrink it and sell it as new?  You think I could get more $ for it if it's shrink-wraped?

Yeah, Steve knows. His house got real warm and not only warped his records, but melted them down!

Have you tried to recoup any of those original vinyl records, Steve?  Or is it a low priority on your list?

been almost 2 years now and still trying to get it settled. had to file lawsuit. depo keeps getting delayed..now its may 2nd. trial june 27 & 28th, for now anyways.

bought a few items and given mp3 copies of a lot of my tape collection that i had traded but i am not really "collecting" for now. want a house first...  :)

You mean your CAPITOL RECORD CLUB issue of Smiley Smile? 
You can usually ger more for anything that's sealed.

like you guys would ever sell these things. 

I would. some things. 
Most will probably end up at some Goodwill store....

Yeah??  Cool!!  I think I'm gonna re-seal the duplicate copies of my records and sell them on Ebay for top dollar. Don't tell anybody, K?

You won't be alone in doing that.

Yeah It seems I have always heard that they were better. After looking around a little I read there is no noticeable difference between 78 and 45. I had turntables with the 78RPM speed back in the day, but never owned or attempted to play a 78 vinyl. I am not an expert on record cutting. I was looking at it from the buyer's perspective. When I saw the comment on that guy's site... "I just got this home and realized I couldn't play it!!!", I ask "why?"... I wasn't planning on picking up the record, but I wanted to know what it was and what was on it. I already have those versions of the songs, anyway... but I am actually really happy for all the Beach Boys fans that have been into this for a heck of a lot longer than I have.

If you really don't care for records as collectable objects, if it's only about the music, than you might as well sell every CD and record you own and replace them with a hard drive full of MP3s...

...Amen. Ilove the smell of fresh vinyl, I love the experience of opening up a Beach Boys CD and reading the liners, looking at the pics. Now it's a daily occurence to daydream about opening the SMiLE sessions box set...  :tm

Nah, mp3s sound terrible.  A hard drive full of flac ripped from green label vinyl would be awesome though.

What's Green Label vinyl, and why is it so amazing... please enlighten me!

Ebay has pretty much made it impossible to contact bidders before the end of the listing( listings that are not your own)
So I won't be able to say much until the listings end, at which time, I'll alert the winners( if I can figure out who they are) unless of course you have a built in commission for me... ;)

It was a Capitol budget-line reissue series.  By far the best sounding Beach Boys available.  A few caveats, they used the Duophonic tapes for Today and Summer Days (which are under the titles Dance, Dance, Dance and California Girls in this series) so those two are to be avoided.  Also, some of the pre-Pet Sounds albums are missing songs, which can be found on a separate green label compilation called Be True to Your School.

Catalog numbers with N are mono, SN stereo, and DN Duophonic.

N-16012 - Surfin' Safari
SN-16015 - Surfin' U.S.A
SN-16014 - Surfer Girl
SN-16013 - Little Deuce Coupe
SN-16018 - Fun, Fun, Fun (Shut Down Vol 2)
SN-16016 - All Summer Long
SN-16154 - Beach Boys' Concert
DN-16019 - Dance, Dance, Dance
DN-16017 - California Girls
N-16272 - Beach Boys' Party!
N-16156 - Pet Sounds
N-16158 - Smiley Smile
N-16159 - Wild Honey
SN-16157 - Friends
SN-16155 - 20/20
SN-16134 - Live in London 1969
N-16273 - Be True to Your School

Here's an example of this series: http://cgi.ebay.com/BEACH-BOYS-BEACH-BOYS-CONCERT-LP-CAPITOL-NM-/110675856884?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item19c4cb8df4

Note the "A Capitol Value" sticker on the cover.  This is an easy way to spot one if it's still sealed and the seller doesn't list a catalog number.

Surfin’ Safari – California Girls were re-issued by Capitol in 1979. '64 Concert – Live In London albums were re-issued in 1980. Exceptions were Be True to Your School & Party! which were re-issued in 1982.

The above vinyl albums had a DARK green Capitol label (not to be confused with the lime green Capitol label issued in 1970).  Sonic quality varied between albums.  

For me, the Beach Boys Japanese Pastmasters Series, released in 1989, are the best sound quality for these albums. Although they are CD's, they are superior to vinyl releases of the individual Beach Boys albums (with maybe the Pet Sounds DCC).  Just my opinion!

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=239242

I think the Pastmasters are great.  Definitely the best option on cd and probably the best option for Today/Summer Days period (though they have their own set of problems).  But unless your cd player is considerably higher quality than your record player I think the green label records do sound better.

Agreed about the DCC Pet Sounds.  That one is killer!

Since this limey is in the USA (albeit Arkansas).......I managed to pick up the Good Vibrations/Heroes & Villains 78's. Quite impressed with the look and feel of them for $11.99 but I shan't be able to listen until I am back in England. And yes, of course I opened them. They are NOT an investment for me, they are to enjoy.

Love the inscriptions in the lead-out....lyrics from Barnyard. Side a "Jump in the pig pen" Side B "Next time I'll take my shoes off" Side C "Hit the dirt, do two and a half" Side D "Next time I'll leave my hat off"

Nice thick card sleeve, nice thick paper inners and the vinyl looks and smells good. In theory vinyl 78's should sound fantastic.

As an aside, several other records of interest that I could have bought but didn't.....an audiophile edition of Fleetwood Mac's Rumours on two 12" 45s for $44.99 - must be the best sounding ever...as well as the regular LP. And Pet Sounds brand new.

Now, when I get home the Garrard is coming out of the loft....seeing as the Systemdek only does 45 and 33...

Interestingly, In The Back Of My Mind & Amusement Parks U.S.A. were issued in mono on the 1982 BTTYS compilation.

Yep, I'm Bugged at My Old Man too.

Because it's just as important to randomly screw up cds as vinyl, this wackiness somehow led to the Pastmasters Summer Days using the duophonic versions of those two tracks.  Ah, Capitol...

People doing this very same thing can be a great opportunity to pick up bagfuls of albums at a great price. To each his own, but I wondered what some of the people I've bought discs and albums from would do if their hard drive were to fail. Since I now own their "master copies" and all.

Just remember to always keep a hand-cranked victrola for when they shut off the electric

This is why I bought a high-end external HD and have copies upon copies of my music on internal/external/dvds/etc.

I find most hard copies to be space-wasters....I'm a minimalist.

I enjoy owning records, but they are not bought for investment. I enjoy the whole 'ritual' of opening an album, smelling the card and the vinyl...admiring the artwork and placing the record on the platter....lowering the tonearm and then sitting back for around 20 minutes before turning it over.

Clicking a mouse isn't the same. Nor is the sound the same, even if you rip to WAV or FLAC direct from vinyl.

There is a difference between a collectable object and an object bought purely for the purpose of collecting it.

Indeed. You may not be able to attain all collectable objects, but an object bought....

Rumour has it that more copies of the 78 set are starting to filter into stores all across the world; so be sure to bid high for those copies already on ebay!!

I'm keeping a hand-cranked Victrola around to play next year's "Record Store Day" offering from the Beach Boys.

Amusement Parks... and I'm Bugged... on the Pastmasters CD are a fold down of the duophonics. According to Steve Hoffman those two songs were stripped from the reel sent to Japan due to the 10 song reissue albums. When Japan informed Capitol of this, they sent the two duophonics instead of the original monos. In a panic Japan folded down the duos to mono. So, they really sound terrible. On a CDR, I replaced those two with the 1990 2-fer tracks, as both are close in volume and sound.

the postie greeted me with no. 7363 this morning! I am having amateur collectors angst - I can't play it, so do i open it? I just want to gawp at the pretty records and the leaflet and things.....

The videos Shady posted of Good Vibrations (he has also put H&V and the early take of GV on his channel, like so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeYi0RA2_7A&feature=related ) from the 78 are actually played on a regular turntable, which he modified like so.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR8fn2qtrxw&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_894649

made a big assumption that wasn't even in any of my posts. 

Ok, now I'm confused....

My freshly arrived copy, which I bought off Discogs and had been picked up from a record shop in Leeds, is numbered 7363.

Go to the Record Store Day website, however, and it says only 5000 will be pressed.....


Have I missed something, or are they bootlegging these things??

That's been covered, it seems they pressed way more than 5 thousand

No. 4471 just arrived on my doorstep!  :police:

....though now i'm currently awaiting the arrival of the record player that can actually play it

edit: wowwww, the 2nd one, with the Good Vibes early take and alt. Heroes and Villians has the labels mixed up. nice job Capitol!  ::)

Yeah, onatrain posted he had one numbered 6,300 or something. I guess I have the highest numbered one on the board?

Georgefellintohishorn, if that is your real name, on the last page is a link I posted to a simple mod you can make to your turntable so you can play it! It's not designed for 78 needles, but regular ones instead, as discussed earlier in the thread... I'll try it myself next week, but it seems simple enough.

mine's fine

At long last mine has arrived. All the way from Amoeba Records to me

No. 4028. It really is beautiful, and the SMilE coming soon promo has me really excited.

well then i guess i'm just special!

something I forgot to ask: 
was the double ten inch set released in countries outside the USA main?
 If so, did they use USA copies or versions for each country where it was sold? and if they were Non-USA manufactured, was the nu,mbering separate from the USA 5000/whatever? 

If mine arrives, I'll let you know.

I got my copy today. Ordered it at my local shop, but it's a U.S. import. And a relatively low number: 1004 (if that means anything at all, music's the same anyway). Bummer though was that I ordered 2 copies, but only one was delivered. But it seemed that an additional order is still possible (which I did of course).

One to keep sealed, the other to open?
One for you main house, one for the summer house? 
One fo you, one for the wife? 
Do tell...   

one for me, and one for a friend of mine  (and now that you say it, I should have ordered an extra one, just for kicks)

This is what you need:

http://www.analogueseduction.net/product/Rega_Planar_78_Turntable_RP78

Mine arrived today. I'm the one who bought the first copy sold on ebay (the link was the first posted here).
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Great! The artwork is great, can't wait Smile box!

I was at a record store in COlumbus Ohio today.  Asked them if they had the Foo Fighters Medium Rare, they told me they never recieved it.  Asked about the Beach Boys 78, and they said they had a bunch , but sold out with a line out the door.

Thought that was cool.

Mine is this way as well.
Does anyone else have that problem?

Dunno… haven't opened it yet – only just got the deck set up that I bought just after Christmas!  I'll need to make some adjustments before it can play 78rpms…