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Quote from: Beekeeper on December 21, 2010, 12:45:01 PM
Great find!!! Im still trying to figure out who is singing the falsetto.
Its not Brian is it? It sounds like Brian.
I dont see him but then the rest of the guys seems to be singing Ba Ba Barbara Ann at the same time.
Usually Bruce would sing Brian's falsetto but he is clearly singing with the rest of the guys.
Any thoughts?
It's Alan: check the "GOK" footage, at 4.08. Unlikely to be Brian as he's not there.
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Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
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Quote from: Beekeeper on December 21, 2010, 12:45:01 PM
Great find!!! Im still trying to figure out who is singing the falsetto.
Its not Brian is it? It sounds like Brian.
I dont see him but then the rest of the guys seems to be singing Ba Ba Barbara Ann at the same time.
Usually Bruce would sing Brian's falsetto but he is clearly singing with the rest of the guys.
Any thoughts?
Al!
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Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on December 21, 2010, 12:48:19 PM
Quote from: Beekeeper on December 21, 2010, 12:45:01 PM
Great find!!! Im still trying to figure out who is singing the falsetto.
Its not Brian is it? It sounds like Brian.
I dont see him but then the rest of the guys seems to be singing Ba Ba Barbara Ann at the same time.
Usually Bruce would sing Brian's falsetto but he is clearly singing with the rest of the guys.
Any thoughts?
It's Alan. Unlikely to be Brian as he's not there.
Wow, really? I would have never have thought it was Al. Thanks.
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That was awesome. My Fave non Brian moment!!
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Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
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Quote from: Beekeeper on December 21, 2010, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on December 21, 2010, 12:48:19 PM
Quote from: Beekeeper on December 21, 2010, 12:45:01 PM
Great find!!! Im still trying to figure out who is singing the falsetto.
Its not Brian is it? It sounds like Brian.
I dont see him but then the rest of the guys seems to be singing Ba Ba Barbara Ann at the same time.
Usually Bruce would sing Brian's falsetto but he is clearly singing with the rest of the guys.
Any thoughts?
It's Alan. Unlikely to be Brian as he's not there.
Wow, really? I would have never have thought it was Al. Thanks.
He did the same sort of thing in the Good Timin' 1980 performance of God Only Knows. Sounded just like Brian.
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Al and Brian sounded remarkably alike in the falsetto range for a long time. Since they're not related and Bruce was the "replacement", a lot of people didn't catch on that Al was doing a lot of Brian's high parts.
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December 21, 2010, 02:40:03 PM »
Quote from: Don_Zabu on December 21, 2010, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: PongHit on December 21, 2010, 06:23:21 AM
Darn, can some tech-wiz here fix the audio sync?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwtBKftbgjc
And also here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIscI9NL_Y
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December 21, 2010, 02:45:51 PM »
Looking at the video in sync, it strikes me that Dennis' drumming is surprisingly erratic. I think I even see a flash of annoyance from Carl when he brings it in late early on in "Barbara Ann."
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Re the wonderful Christmas carol, how many other examples are there where the whole band -- including Dennis -- sings around the mic like that? I can't think of any off hand, except maybe somewhere in the 15 BIG ONES era. It's wonderful to see Dennis singing with the other guys in that environment.
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December 21, 2010, 03:29:01 PM »
Unless I'm mistaken, the second lowest voice in the "Oh Come All Ye Faithful" arrangement is Carl (I'd recognize that timbre anywhere). Is that usually how it worked?
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That's right, I think. Many of the early songs have Dennis above Carl in the harmony. My ears aren't good enough to pick it out here - is it four och five parts? (Obviously there are five voices, but is anyone doubling another or are there five separate parts?)
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Quote from: Beach Head on December 21, 2010, 07:04:36 AM
Quote from: GuyO on December 21, 2010, 02:18:27 AM
Extra musicians: Ron Brown and ...?
Joe Sample, of The Crusaders. The only time he ever played with the Boys.
Cool, been trying to figure out for awhile when Joe played with them...how'd you find out?
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What about Denny singing that high falsetto-y part starting around 5:08!? Amazing. California soul indeed!
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Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
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Quote from: c-man on December 21, 2010, 04:41:17 PM
Quote from: Beach Head on December 21, 2010, 07:04:36 AM
Quote from: GuyO on December 21, 2010, 02:18:27 AM
Extra musicians: Ron Brown and ...?
Joe Sample, of The Crusaders. The only time he ever played with the Boys.
Cool, been trying to figure out for awhile when Joe played with them...how'd you find out?
I was in touch with an assistant of his a few years back. The subject of Joe and the Boys came up, and he asked Sample about it. The UNICEF concert was a one-gig deal, apparently something that came up rather suddenly, and they needed a keyboard player (I'm guessing that Daryl Dragon might not have been available for some reason?). Sample flew over to Paris with them, did the show, flew back and that was it!
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Quote from: Magic Transistor Radio on December 21, 2010, 07:45:12 AM
I love the way Mike improvises with the therimin on Babarann!
I loved that part too!
This footage is amazing!!! Anyone notice Al's gesture at 0:45?
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Quote from: Beach Head on December 21, 2010, 10:48:05 PM
Quote from: c-man on December 21, 2010, 04:41:17 PM
Quote from: Beach Head on December 21, 2010, 07:04:36 AM
Quote from: GuyO on December 21, 2010, 02:18:27 AM
Extra musicians: Ron Brown and ...?
Joe Sample, of The Crusaders. The only time he ever played with the Boys.
Cool, been trying to figure out for awhile when Joe played with them...how'd you find out?
I was in touch with an assistant of his a few years back. The subject of Joe and the Boys came up, and he asked Sample about it. The UNICEF concert was a one-gig deal, apparently something that came up rather suddenly, and they needed a keyboard player (I'm guessing that Daryl Dragon might not have been available for some reason?). Sample flew over to Paris with them, did the show, flew back and that was it!
Was DD part of the touring band back in late 1967 - I've seen an interview were he mentions joining the BB on tour, but all he says is "about 1967", which is kinda vague for my liking
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Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on December 22, 2010, 02:13:45 AM
Quote from: Beach Head on December 21, 2010, 10:48:05 PM
Quote from: c-man on December 21, 2010, 04:41:17 PM
Quote from: Beach Head on December 21, 2010, 07:04:36 AM
Quote from: GuyO on December 21, 2010, 02:18:27 AM
Extra musicians: Ron Brown and ...?
Joe Sample, of The Crusaders. The only time he ever played with the Boys.
Cool, been trying to figure out for awhile when Joe played with them...how'd you find out?
I was in touch with an assistant of his a few years back. The subject of Joe and the Boys came up, and he asked Sample about it. The UNICEF concert was a one-gig deal, apparently something that came up rather suddenly, and they needed a keyboard player (I'm guessing that Daryl Dragon might not have been available for some reason?). Sample flew over to Paris with them, did the show, flew back and that was it!
Was DD part of the touring band back in late 1967 - I've seen an interview were he mentions joining the BB on tour, but all he says is "about 1967", which is kinda vague for my liking
Yes, Daryl joined up for the Wild Honey tour, along with Ron Brown. So the lineup for the UNICEF show included Joe Sample on piano...and Ron Brown playing tambourine when Bruce played bass, and bass when Bruce played organ...does anyone recognize the conga player?
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Okay, this question just has to be asked:
Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.
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Great to see Ron Brown--possibly a much bigger part of the Beach Boys story than he gets credit for.
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Quote from: Rocker on December 22, 2010, 05:21:26 AM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:
Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.
Good question. I think the GOK performance would have gone over well. Barbara Ann probably not. Not with the times., or for that crowd anyhow. Perhaps Brian would have played bass if Bruce were there to play the organ or piano, which would have been better. Too bad.
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Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
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Quote from: Rocker on December 22, 2010, 05:21:26 AM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:
Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.
Even with the guitars mixed the way they are, the group are seriously lacking power, and imo did until they got the huge backing groups of the 70's in place. I don't think the lack of Brian on the bass is that big of a deal - Bruce sounds fine, and Carl and Al were probably focussing on their harmonies at the expense of 'rock'.
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Quote from: hypehat on December 22, 2010, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: Rocker on December 22, 2010, 05:21:26 AM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:
Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.
Even with the guitars mixed the way they are, the group are seriously lacking power, and imo did until they got the huge backing groups of the 70's in place. I don't think the lack of Brian on the bass is that big of a deal - Bruce sounds fine, and Carl and Al were probably focussing on their harmonies at the expense of 'rock'.
I don't think so. Compare "I get around" with Brian on bass with Bruce on bass. Or more direct, "Barbara Ann":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=654H4xfDYKM
Not heavy rock but still more powerful than all '67 versions I know.
Bruce ain't no rock'n'roller and Brian just has/had a great feeling for rythm. Plus Al's lead is not as strong and full as Brian's.
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Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
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Quote from: jmc on December 22, 2010, 08:11:27 AM
Quote from: Rocker on December 22, 2010, 05:21:26 AM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:
Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.
Good question. I think the GOK performance would have gone over well. Barbara Ann probably not. Not with the times., or for that crowd anyhow. Perhaps Brian would have played bass if Bruce were there to play the organ or piano, which would have been better. Too bad.
Maybe if Mike would have played the "Woo Woo Machine"(great name for a band! But I digress...) the hippies tripping on acid would have dug it.
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Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
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Quote from: hypehat on December 22, 2010, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: Rocker on December 22, 2010, 05:21:26 AM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:
Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.
Even with the guitars mixed the way they are, the group are seriously lacking power, and imo did until they got the huge backing groups of the 70's in place. I don't think the lack of Brian on the bass is that big of a deal - Bruce sounds fine, and Carl and Al were probably focussing on their harmonies at the expense of 'rock'.
I think they rocked quite well from late '68 on (such as on "Live In London"), mostly due to Denny's spirited drumming...but also listen to the guitars (and bass, and horns) on that version of "Aren't You Glad"...much better IMO than the studio cut.
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Amazing stuff - thanks MBE!
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