Brian Wilson: Songwriter 1962-1969

[The Shift]

Not an out-take as such; extracts i a better phrase. This doc also has part of the title sequence and a clip of the presenter hailing Brian's music. I think the out-takes search is on ice at the mo' -  others will confirm.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Taken from the same footage as the 1967 "Surf's Up".

So it was an out-take from Inside Pop? I didn't think any were known to exist. 

Yes... and no - first turned up in the 1985 American Band video-biog. The original footage was mute so they got someone to work out what Brian was playing, then recorded a track to match his hands in the video.

[DSamore]

Can't wait. If you sanction this video, Andrew, I'm sure it's awesome and credible. Can't wait (AGAIN!)

[shelter]

Just watched it. I thought the first DVD wasn't all that interesting (it's mostly the same old pre-1966 band bio that we've all heard and read many times before), but it gets interesting from the 'Pet Sounds' era on. I hated what Bruce had to say about 'Friends', but apart from that this is certainly enjoyable. The most impressive moment to me was the 'End of an Era' extra where Fred Vail gets emotional. I guess he really cares very deeply for the band.

[brother john]

I have nothing against Bruce as a contributor to the Beach Boys' sound or even some of his suggestions [...] However, I think the songs he brought to the group have basically all been uniformly terrible schmaltz. (And not even in any endearing way!) Of course, any good suggestions he makes seem to swiftly offset by terrible ideas like a disco version of "Here Comes The Night" or having him be a producer for the Beach Boys! Maybe I have a soft spot sometimes for "Disney Girls", however...

Yes, Bruce was the king of cheese in many ways, but his two contributions to Sunflower are both great, and he did produce LA Light Album, which is a understated and overlooked classic in my view, and the last thing of real beauty and quality that the Beach Boys produced.

[phirnis]

Just watched it. I thought the first DVD wasn't all that interesting (it's mostly the same old pre-1966 band bio that we've all heard and read many times before), but it gets interesting from the 'Pet Sounds' era on. I hated what Bruce had to say about 'Friends', but apart from that this is certainly enjoyable. The most impressive moment to me was the 'End of an Era' extra where Fred Vail gets emotional. I guess he really cares very deeply for the band.

For dissing Friends in public Bruce Johnston has recently felt the wrath of the universe (see viagra thread).

[JaredLekites]

Sometimes I'm not sure who I dislike more for their crass commercialism, Bruce or Mike... Though at least Mike can write songs that are not uniformly awful!

I'd take Bruce's songwriting over Mike's any day.

[Wrightfan]

Taken from the same footage as the 1967 "Surf's Up".

So it was an out-take from Inside Pop? I didn't think any were known to exist. 

I believe that footage is in American band no?

It's overdubbed by someone playing the "Wa ha la lu lay" part of Worms if I remember.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Taken from the same footage as the 1967 "Surf's Up".

So it was an out-take from Inside Pop? I didn't think any were known to exist. 

I believe that footage is in American band no?

It's overdubbed by someone playing the "Wa ha la lu lay" part of Worms if I remember.

That's it.

[punkinhead]

Taken from the same footage as the 1967 "Surf's Up".

So it was an out-take from Inside Pop? I didn't think any were known to exist. 

I believe that footage is in American band no?

It's overdubbed by someone playing the "Wa ha la lu lay" part of Worms if I remember.

That's it.

Is the "Wa ha la lu lay" part just a piano or is there addition sounds that I'm not hearing?
It's like that's the only missing piece of Smile NOT included on boots...or none that I've seen.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Taken from the same footage as the 1967 "Surf's Up".

So it was an out-take from Inside Pop? I didn't think any were known to exist. 

I believe that footage is in American band no?

It's overdubbed by someone playing the "Wa ha la lu lay" part of Worms if I remember.

That's it.

Is the "Wa ha la lu lay" part just a piano or is there addition sounds that I'm not hearing?
It's like that's the only missing piece of Smile NOT included on boots...or none that I've seen.

Said audio track was added to the silent footage in 1984 by the makers of the American Band video-doc. It's not on any boots because:

1) it was recorded in 1984, ergo...
2) it's not a Smile recording.

[JaredLekites]

Indeed, Brian was probably just banging out something while the cameramen did some B-roll.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Indeed, Brian was probably just banging out something while the cameramen did some B-roll.

Question is... why wasn't it "Shortenin' Bread" ?   

[DSamore]

Indeed, Brian was probably just banging out something while the cameramen did some B-roll.

Question is... why wasn't it "Shortenin' Bread" ?   

hahahahaha!

I can't believe that Bruce dissed "Friends." That's all I've been jamming lately. Well that and "Love You." 

[Runaways]

I think i'll be ordering this today. 

Also, i really dig Friends.  It came out 19 years before my birth but that's ok.

[Jason]

It should be noted that Bruce is one of the harshest critics of Beach Boys music done after Pet Sounds and Smile. Mainly because he's a Brian Wilson fan first and foremost.

[Jason]

TerryWogan

Why am I imagining Max Headroom having a laugh at this guy's expense?

[MBE]

It should be noted that Bruce is one of the harshest critics of Beach Boys music done after Pet Sounds and Smile. Mainly because he's a Brian Wilson fan first and foremost.

Well even that doesn't make total sense because Brian still worked a lot through 1970-1 and I and several others feel he did some of his best work from 1967-71. The 1963-66 stuff is great too but what came later should not be under rated. We all know Brian didn't go straight to bed in  May 1967 don't we?

[punkinhead]

It should be noted that Bruce is one of the harshest critics of Beach Boys music done after Pet Sounds and Smile. Mainly because he's a Brian Wilson fan first and foremost.

While I agree with you, I'd also like to add Bruce's likeness for the hits, which doesn't surprise anyone who knows his past and current career. I just hate how he gives crap to the hardcore fans for celebrating post Wild Honey through anything else we hardcore people celebrate more than the 'greatest hits.' But sometimes he's got great things to say like Sunflower being his favorite album of the BB.

[18thofMay]

It should be noted that Bruce is one of the harshest critics of Beach Boys music done after Pet Sounds and Smile. Mainly because he's a Brian Wilson fan first and foremost.

Bruce is uncultured!!

[hypehat]

It should be noted that Bruce is one of the harshest critics of Beach Boys music done after Pet Sounds and Smile. Mainly because he's a Brian Wilson fan first and foremost.

Bruce is uncultured!!

[Scott]

It should be noted that Bruce is one of the harshest critics of Beach Boys music done after Pet Sounds and Smile. Mainly because he's a Brian Wilson fan first and foremost.

Actually, Bruce's favorite Beach Boys album is...Sunflower.

Scott Totten

[Jason]

I'm well aware of Bruce ranking Sunflower at the top of his list of Beach Boys albums. But that still does not change the fact that he's one of the harshest critics of their music after Pet Sounds and Smile. Not bashing the man or his personal tastes, just stating a fact that he's shared with us so many times over...

[shelter]

I'm well aware of Bruce ranking Sunflower at the top of his list of Beach Boys albums. But that still does not change the fact that he's one of the harshest critics of their music after Pet Sounds and Smile. Not bashing the man or his personal tastes, just stating a fact that he's shared with us so many times over...

Bruce said in the documentary that it didn't surprise him that 'Friends' didn't make the top 100, because he thought it shouldn't even have made the top 1000. That's beyond criticizing, that's ridiculing.

[Jason]

I'm well aware of Bruce ranking Sunflower at the top of his list of Beach Boys albums. But that still does not change the fact that he's one of the harshest critics of their music after Pet Sounds and Smile. Not bashing the man or his personal tastes, just stating a fact that he's shared with us so many times over...

Bruce said in the documentary that it didn't surprise him that 'Friends' didn't make the top 100, because he thought it shouldn't even have made the top 1000. That's beyond criticizing, that's ridiculing.

Yeah, and...? Go on the Britain board and have it out with Bruce. It's his opinion, not mine.