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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2010, 06:32:54 PM »

This from the man who thought the LA LIGHT album would benefit from a giant disco song right in the middle....
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2010, 07:17:18 PM »

Say what you will about disco, but Here Comes The Night has some of the best vocals that The Beach Boys have ever graced on a record.
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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2010, 07:46:16 PM »

Get B-Dub to sing "a few" classic BBs tunes, eh?  And then (just for the sake of bridge-building of course) bring in Johnstone, Love and Jardine for backing vox?  Maybe do a few shows?

Interesting idea!  I loved Davey Johnstone's backing vocals on the '70s Elton records!  Maybe we could get Nigel Olsson in there as well?

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« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2010, 12:04:01 AM »

Gershwin covers. Disney covers. Now an idea floating around for an album of duets of old standards? Has the ship sailed on Brian writing new music of his own?
However I could see the benefits of a completely new outside producer, someone who is not a big Brian Wilson fan who can bring a fresh take on Brian's work. Looking back on Bri's solo body of work you can begin to see the cliche of using the "Pet Sounds period" style as the basis for everything he does. The equation for each new release is always Pet Sounds + ? = New record.
Here's my overview of this theory -

Pet Sounds + 80's synth production = BW88
                   + utter shite = Sweet Insanity
                   + elevator muzak = Imagination
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                   + Gershwin = Reimagines Gershwin

If Brian does get round to doing a rock record I hope it is with a producer who hasn't got PS on the brain, if not it will just end up as more of the same. I'd love to see what Rick Rubin could do with him.
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« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2010, 03:01:44 AM »

Why do they always want re-recordings on their album ?!
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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2010, 04:58:03 AM »

Gershwin covers. Disney covers. Now an idea floating around for an album of duets of old standards? Has the ship sailed on Brian writing new music of his own?
However I could see the benefits of a completely new outside producer, someone who is not a big Brian Wilson fan who can bring a fresh take on Brian's work.


Yeah! Like Joe Thomas!

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I mostly agree with you though. i would rather have a fan producing Brian's records, but someone who likes other things as well - Sean O'Hagan was a bad choice in this respect, as he has 'PS on the Brain' as you put it. The thing is though, Rick Rubin was a huge fan of Johnny Cash, but he has a completely different sensibility of Cash's music than most of the country establishment.

I don't know who I'd like to see produce a new Brian record - Jason Falkner would be cool, he did good things with Daniel Johnston. or David Fridmann, but i can see that becoming a massive failure quite easily. David Sitek would be a really interesting choice - Brian Wilson goes noise rock!
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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2010, 05:25:30 AM »

Gershwin covers. Disney covers. Now an idea floating around for an album of duets of old standards? Has the ship sailed on Brian writing new music of his own?
However I could see the benefits of a completely new outside producer, someone who is not a big Brian Wilson fan who can bring a fresh take on Brian's work.


Yeah! Like Joe Thomas!

 Roll Eyes

I mostly agree with you though. i would rather have a fan producing Brian's records, but someone who likes other things as well - Sean O'Hagan was a bad choice in this respect, as he has 'PS on the Brain' as you put it. The thing is though, Rick Rubin was a huge fan of Johnny Cash, but he has a completely different sensibility of Cash's music than most of the country establishment.

I don't know who I'd like to see produce a new Brian record - Jason Falkner would be cool, he did good things with Daniel Johnston. or David Fridmann, but i can see that becoming a massive failure quite easily. David Sitek would be a really interesting choice - Brian Wilson goes noise rock!

Good call. At the time I thought Sean O'Hagan was a superb choice; now I don't anymore. O'Hagan, with his own band, was sort of a musical curator; I like the Llamas' music, but more as a sort of nice background music. I'd think now that he would have tried to frame new Brian music within the soundscapes of 'Friends', or 'Sunflower', which is never a good starting point for creating new fine music. See it this way: Wishbone Ash are what they are nowadays. They will never create a successful new 'Argus' masterpiece.
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2010, 06:14:07 AM »

Gershwin covers. Disney covers. Now an idea floating around for an album of duets of old standards? Has the ship sailed on Brian writing new music of his own?
However I could see the benefits of a completely new outside producer, someone who is not a big Brian Wilson fan who can bring a fresh take on Brian's work.


Yeah! Like Joe Thomas!

 Roll Eyes

I mostly agree with you though. i would rather have a fan producing Brian's records, but someone who likes other things as well - Sean O'Hagan was a bad choice in this respect, as he has 'PS on the Brain' as you put it. The thing is though, Rick Rubin was a huge fan of Johnny Cash, but he has a completely different sensibility of Cash's music than most of the country establishment.

I don't know who I'd like to see produce a new Brian record - Jason Falkner would be cool, he did good things with Daniel Johnston. or David Fridmann, but i can see that becoming a massive failure quite easily. David Sitek would be a really interesting choice - Brian Wilson goes noise rock!

I think that Jason Lytle, the writer and producer of Grandaddy would make an excellent choice. A synth trippy style. The feeling of Friends, Love You and some punk rock sprinkled in there.

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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2010, 06:52:36 AM »

Is Bruce being serious? He's taken the piss out of the hardcore fans in the past -  remember his tale about burying a H&V acetate in a time capsule beneath a new tower block somewhere?

The guy does have a sense of humour.... then again, didn't he block the release of a concert vid cos he was wearing an un-hip shirt?

Go figure, we're on Planet Beach Boys here...


That H & V acetate time-capsule story I never heard, but, I donated an 8-track Beach Boys tape for a time capsule for my law school in 2000.  The Dean loved it (also a fan) and held it up for some of the students to see the "technology" for music of that era and thought it was cool for their time capsule.  One might draw the analogy that it would be like my seeing  a "Victrola" (which played 78 rpm records, when I was a kid, and which was old technology.  Of course the students (mostly CD babies) thought the 8 track cassette was hilarious and that we must be ancient!

The 8 track was the predecessor of the cassette player and probably the first technology for you to "take your music with you" in your car.  This changed the whole approach to music because you did not have to be glued to your stereo, or record player, and could "zone out" and shut the world out while your were driving.  "In My Room" could become "in my car."    It is an interesting discussion to hear someone talk about using older analog for a more pure sound.  There is  probably a limited group of people who are expert in this area, who have a facility with this method.

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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2010, 08:56:55 AM »

First, Mikie - What kind of tracks are you talking about?  Are they Brian's "solo" tracks?  Or, are they unreleased Beach Boys tracks?

Brian's solo tracks. There's quite a few in the can. I'd really like to see him hook up with Paley again. Those were some real productive sessions, even though much of it was Paley. If he's got some newer stuff ready to go (or even half done) with Scott, Darian, etc., that's good news. If it's true, then he's got a jump on an album that'll hopefully mean something.
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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2010, 10:04:41 AM »

I'd love to see what Rick Rubin could do with him.

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or David Fridmann, but i can see that becoming a massive failure quite easily

Ah, why not Dave Fridmann? He could get Wayne Coyne and the Lips and the guys from MGMT, maybe even his Mercury Rev bandmates to guest on a couple tracks.
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« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2010, 10:16:31 AM »

Give Brian a synth, a steak, keep Sir. Von Mertens Esq. away from it and lets have some fun.
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« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2010, 10:20:12 AM »

Give Brian a synth, a steak, keep Sir. Von Mertens Esq. away from it and lets have some fun.

I was just going to post something very similar!

Brian Wilson doesn't need a producer. What he needs is a Moog synthesizer and a snare drum. Smokin
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« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2010, 10:43:17 AM »

What's wrong with Paul Mertens? He's good!
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« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2010, 10:50:07 AM »

What's wrong with Paul Mertens? He's good!

I find his arrangements pure cheese. Plus what kind of dude does a freaking extended flute solo in Caroline No? And wheres a Kimono? I mean come on.
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« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2010, 10:58:26 AM »

Plus what kind of dude does a freaking extended flute solo in Caroline No?

Charles Lloyd.
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« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2010, 11:06:32 AM »

I LOVED it when Brian did the extended "Caroline, No," he almost always did a great job on the vocal.
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« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2010, 11:10:17 AM »

If Brian does get round to doing a rock record I hope it is with a producer who hasn't got PS on the brain, if not it will just end up as more of the same.

I agree -- I'd love to see Brian do a new rock album, without any PS-influenced tracks! The PS-esque tracks on his other albums are the ones I play the least.








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« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2010, 11:11:56 AM »

That H & V acetate time-capsule story I never heard, but, I donated an 8-track Beach Boys tape for a time capsule for my law school in 2000.  The Dean loved it (also a fan) and held it up for some of the students to see the "technology" for music of that era and thought it was cool for their time capsule.  One might draw the analogy that it would be like my seeing  a "Victrola" (which played 78 rpm records, when I was a kid, and which was old technology.  Of course the students (mostly CD babies) thought the 8 track cassette was hilarious and that we must be ancient!

The 8 track was the predecessor of the cassette player and probably the first technology for you to "take your music with you" in your car.  This changed the whole approach to music because you did not have to be glued to your stereo, or record player, and could "zone out" and shut the world out while your were driving.  "In My Room" could become "in my car."    It is an interesting discussion to hear someone talk about using older analog for a more pure sound.  There is  probably a limited group of people who are expert in this area, who have a facility with this method.

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Small point: probably the first "take your music in the car", was the car record player. Don't think it was a big hit, tho.
then of course there were 4 track tape players, MUNTZ! before there were 8 tracks too.  
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« Reply #44 on: September 10, 2010, 11:14:04 AM »

If Brian does get round to doing a rock record I hope it is with a producer who hasn't got PS on the brain, if not it will just end up as more of the same.

I agree -- I'd love to see Brian do a new rock album, without any PS-influenced tracks! The PS-esque tracks on his other albums are the ones I play the least.

Yes, By all means; a Brian album without any Brian input.
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« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2010, 11:21:40 AM »

Plus what kind of dude does a freaking extended flute solo in Caroline No?

Charles Lloyd.

was about to reply the same, but you were ahead of me...  Grin
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« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2010, 11:29:38 AM »

That H & V acetate time-capsule story I never heard, but, I donated an 8-track Beach Boys tape for a time capsule for my law school in 2000.  The Dean loved it (also a fan) and held it up for some of the students to see the "technology" for music of that era and thought it was cool for their time capsule.  One might draw the analogy that it would be like my seeing  a "Victrola" (which played 78 rpm records, when I was a kid, and which was old technology.  Of course the students (mostly CD babies) thought the 8 track cassette was hilarious and that we must be ancient!

The 8 track was the predecessor of the cassette player and probably the first technology for you to "take your music with you" in your car.  This changed the whole approach to music because you did not have to be glued to your stereo, or record player, and could "zone out" and shut the world out while your were driving.  "In My Room" could become "in my car."    It is an interesting discussion to hear someone talk about using older analog for a more pure sound.  There is  probably a limited group of people who are expert in this area, who have a facility with this method.

"Planet Beach Boys" - I love it!!! Wink

Small point: probably the first "take your music in the car", was the car record player. Don't think it was a big hit, tho.
then of course there were 4 track tape players, MUNTZ! before there were 8 tracks too.  

Bgas - I never heard of a car record player or a four-track either...Wow! In any event, it was probably unaffordable for me at that time.  By the time I had a "real" job, and a used  VW Bug, having an FM radio was a big deal, as most of them only had AM's factory installed, but they were playing the Boys on the FM stations, more Surf's Up, etc. 

And, I felt like a rich girl when I got an 8 track and could have the Boys on whenever I wanted, and not hostage to the taste and judgment of the DJ's! 

Thanks for that info  Wink   
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« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2010, 11:48:41 AM »

If Brian does get round to doing a rock record I hope it is with a producer who hasn't got PS on the brain, if not it will just end up as more of the same.

I agree -- I'd love to see Brian do a new rock album, without any PS-influenced tracks! The PS-esque tracks on his other albums are the ones I play the least.

Yes, By all means; a Brian album without any Brian input.


A Brian Wilson album without any input from the man himself would be pointless agreed - but Pet Sounds wasn't the only good album he ever made. My point was that every person he works with on a solo project ALWAYS tries to make the music somehow connected to the PS mould of songwriting.
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« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2010, 11:55:54 AM »

Brian Wilson doesn't need a producer. What he needs is a Moog synthesizer and a snare drum. Smokin

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My point was that every person he works with on a solo project ALWAYS tries to make the music somehow connected to the PS mould of songwriting.

What if that's just how Brian Wilson sounds?
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