Reasons to Love Mike Love

[Shady]

Endless Harmony was on TV the other night on Sky Arts.

The Brian's back part really touched me, it was also the first time I said "That's not really a bad song"

[oldsurferdude]

He'd come off a lot better if he didn't wear all those silly hats, like the ridiculous one he wore at the HOF speech.  He's bald, bid deal.

How Myk comes off any more is irrelevant-his reputation is pretty much sealed in stone  and is what it is regardless of hats, jewelery, sandals, smelly jokes or Mick Jagger wannabe swagger. While Brian keeps moving forward, Myk is relagated to a fading career in a travelling juke box cover band. The only thing to look forward to with him(that is, if anyone cares) is how he plans to nuture his ego and line his pockets while still trying like Hell to keep hanging on to Brian's coat tails.

The true mark of anti-Mike Love dementia - much like anti-liberal or anti-conservative dementia - is the inability to even spell his name correctly, usually as a pejorative.

Whilst I agree that Mr. Love's SMiLe lawsuit (and seemingly many of his other actions over the years) were ridiculous and petty, it's safe to say that neither you or I or most of the other people on this board know Mr. Love personally. We don't live with him day to day or even, I'm guessing, deal with him in person from time to time.

Perhaps remembering that we're all human - and that Brian, as awesome as he is, has made plenty of mistakes in his life as well, of a decidedly different stripe than Mike's - will help you to get over your anti-Love dementia.

More "anti Myke Luhv dementia"-No, we don't live with him day to day, but  all his EX-wives did-and Brian spent numerous days with him-funny, all have gone their own ways haven't they?? Of course we all know that couldn't mean anything-just coincidence...

Well, I guess all my points went over your head. I'm not going to keep trying to hammer a square peg into the round hole of your psyche, except to ask how spelling his name differently is supposed to be an insult to him? Or is it just that you can't bear to spell his name the way he chooses to? I anxiously await your answer!

Speaking of psyche, why would one try to hammer a square...into..a..round...the  spelling of the name  references the subject appropriately-both are effed up.

So perhaps I can participate - how about Maihke Luvv? Or Mykke Loph? I guess you already hit on the really good ones, and now I'm just playing out the string with a pale imitation of your epiphets. As for why I would want to hammer a square peg into a round hole, it's because I like to waste my time on unimportant things - go figure!

Mr Surfer Dude, I share some of your anti-Mike Love sentiment.. I also love many things the man has done. Let me ask you how you feel about Dennis' many many ex-wives and people who he couldn't keep it together with? Do you judge him for that? What about Carl giving up on the Paley sessions, the last true potential Beach Boys reunion with two Wilsons?

The world isn't black and white, except for in Beach Boys revisionism land. You know I love you baby, I'd never hurt you. I just want to find out what makes Old Surfer Dude tick.

Epiphets?? Now look at the pot calling the kettle black!! How dare you not spell that word correctly!Why, do you have something askew in your psyche that makes you hate that word-Well that's just not in the best interests nor is it fair to that particular word! You're just being hateful, that's all!

[Ron]

I would really like to agree with you guys. I understand that Mike did what he felt he should do back in the days, i know thats tough seeing your family fall apart, not to mention your business. Very delicate situation.

But then, i saw "The Beach Boys, An American Family". And i dont know, but why re-write history? I know its a "romanced" biography, but i mean, is there an excuse for that? I respect Mike Love  for his contributions to BB music, but thats all.

We all have our flaws, though. Its better to know them than to point them.

Oh come on please tell me you didn't just say you let a VH1 movie change your opinion on Mike. 

[Curtis Leon]

He'd come off a lot better if he didn't wear all those silly hats, like the ridiculous one he wore at the HOF speech.  He's bald, bid deal.

How Myk comes off any more is irrelevant-his reputation is pretty much sealed in stone  and is what it is regardless of hats, jewelery, sandals, smelly jokes or Mick Jagger wannabe swagger. While Brian keeps moving forward, Myk is relagated to a fading career in a travelling juke box cover band. The only thing to look forward to with him(that is, if anyone cares) is how he plans to nuture his ego and line his pockets while still trying like Hell to keep hanging on to Brian's coat tails.

The true mark of anti-Mike Love dementia - much like anti-liberal or anti-conservative dementia - is the inability to even spell his name correctly, usually as a pejorative.

Whilst I agree that Mr. Love's SMiLe lawsuit (and seemingly many of his other actions over the years) were ridiculous and petty, it's safe to say that neither you or I or most of the other people on this board know Mr. Love personally. We don't live with him day to day or even, I'm guessing, deal with him in person from time to time.

Perhaps remembering that we're all human - and that Brian, as awesome as he is, has made plenty of mistakes in his life as well, of a decidedly different stripe than Mike's - will help you to get over your anti-Love dementia.

More "anti Myke Luhv dementia"-No, we don't live with him day to day, but  all his EX-wives did-and Brian spent numerous days with him-funny, all have gone their own ways haven't they?? Of course we all know that couldn't mean anything-just coincidence...

Well, I guess all my points went over your head. I'm not going to keep trying to hammer a square peg into the round hole of your psyche, except to ask how spelling his name differently is supposed to be an insult to him? Or is it just that you can't bear to spell his name the way he chooses to? I anxiously await your answer!

Speaking of psyche, why would one try to hammer a square...into..a..round...the  spelling of the name  references the subject appropriately-both are effed up.

So perhaps I can participate - how about Maihke Luvv? Or Mykke Loph? I guess you already hit on the really good ones, and now I'm just playing out the string with a pale imitation of your epiphets. As for why I would want to hammer a square peg into a round hole, it's because I like to waste my time on unimportant things - go figure!

Mr Surfer Dude, I share some of your anti-Mike Love sentiment.. I also love many things the man has done. Let me ask you how you feel about Dennis' many many ex-wives and people who he couldn't keep it together with? Do you judge him for that? What about Carl giving up on the Paley sessions, the last true potential Beach Boys reunion with two Wilsons?

The world isn't black and white, except for in Beach Boys revisionism land. You know I love you baby, I'd never hurt you. I just want to find out what makes Old Surfer Dude tick.

Epiphets?? Now look at the pot calling the kettle black!! How dare you not spell that word correctly!Why, do you have something askew in your psyche that makes you hate that word-Well that's just not in the best interests nor is it fair to that particular word! You're just being hateful, that's all!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument#Argument_by_analogy

They're two completely different cases, and you know that. Plus, you completely ignored the second point he brought up. Obviously, though, you aren't taking the debate seriously, so I have no idea why I'm bothering.
 

[Alexandre09]

I would really like to agree with you guys. I understand that Mike did what he felt he should do back in the days, i know thats tough seeing your family fall apart, not to mention your business. Very delicate situation.

But then, i saw "The Beach Boys, An American Family". And i dont know, but why re-write history? I know its a "romanced" biography, but i mean, is there an excuse for that? I respect Mike Love  for his contributions to BB music, but thats all.

We all have our flaws, though. Its better to know them than to point them.

Oh come on please tell me you didn't just say you let a VH1 movie change your opinion on Mike. 

Is just me or do many of the Brian fanatics equivocate Mike bashing as a bizarre way of showing their support for Brian? You CAN like and respect both ya' know!

,

Ron i just gave the 'main' reason why i dont ''love'' him, which by the way wasnt the movie but the need for someone to rewrite the past. And i personally think its kinda sad. But who cares?
That said, i respect Mike very much for his works, and All I Wanna Do is one of my all time favs, vocal and all.

[b00ts]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument#Argument_by_analogy

They're two completely different cases, and you know that. Plus, you completely ignored the second point he brought up. Obviously, though, you aren't taking the debate seriously, so I have no idea why I'm bothering.

Thanks Curtis. I don't know why I bothered either - perhaps just a defense against this place turning into the BlueBoard. Maybe if we begin speaking to him in emoticons it will get through, but somehow I doubt it.

[The Heartical Don]

Is just me or do many of the Brian fanatics equivocate Mike bashing as a bizarre way of showing their support for Brian? You CAN like and respect both ya' know!

Very good. I must admit that I fell into this trap quite a number of years ago. In my mind, Brian was a guy whose true potential was only realised for, say, 20% or so. And who was to blame for the other 80%? The guy who had, according to reports, his problems with Pet Sounds and the concept of Smile, of course! Nothing as good as a complete and unquestioned story, that's it.

Now I feel that Brian's psyche must be foremost seen as one, and indivisible. Which means: his gigantic talent and uniqueness have a darker side to them: extreme sensibility and vulnerability, and thus an appetite for self-medication (the use of drugs). To compare: people with schizophrenia (not Brian) in general have a lack of inhibitory capacities in their brain (imbalance in neurotransmitters), and the result is that they have unusually high capacities for association; this can lead to great abilities in language, pictural arts, and music, much greater than is seen on average. But it can also lead to delusions (paranoia, psychosis).

And that is Brian, one and indivisible. And Mike is certainly not guilty of Brian's incapacitation.

[Curtis Leon]

Is just me or do many of the Brian fanatics equivocate Mike bashing as a bizarre way of showing their support for Brian? You CAN like and respect both ya' know!

Very good. I must admit that I fell into this trap quite a number of years ago. In my mind, Brian was a guy whose true potential was only realised for, say, 20% or so. And who was to blame for the other 80%? The guy who had, according to reports, his problems with Pet Sounds and the concept of Smile, of course! Nothing as good as a complete and unquestioned story, that's it.

Now I feel that Brian's psyche must be foremost seen as one, and indivisible. Which means: his gigantic talent and uniqueness have a darker side to them: extreme sensibility and vulnerability, and thus an appetite for self-medication (the use of drugs). To compare: people with schizophrenia (not Brian) in general have a lack of inhibitory capacities in their brain (imbalance in neurotransmitters), and the result is that they have unusually high capacities for association; this can lead to great abilities in language, pictural arts, and music, much greater than is seen on average. But it can also lead to delusions (paranoia, psychosis).

And that is Brian, one and indivisible. And Mike is certainly not guilty of Brian's incapacitation.

Indeed. Look at Syd Barrett, or Skip Spence. Both of them produced ground breaking albums before they went under, and they both made completely different, twisted albums, later. The 60's produced a lot of mental illness, and a lot of drug casualties. Both LSD and the green stuff can bring out mental illness in people that are already "in tune" for such a thing.

[The Heartical Don]

Is just me or do many of the Brian fanatics equivocate Mike bashing as a bizarre way of showing their support for Brian? You CAN like and respect both ya' know!

Very good. I must admit that I fell into this trap quite a number of years ago. In my mind, Brian was a guy whose true potential was only realised for, say, 20% or so. And who was to blame for the other 80%? The guy who had, according to reports, his problems with Pet Sounds and the concept of Smile, of course! Nothing as good as a complete and unquestioned story, that's it.

Now I feel that Brian's psyche must be foremost seen as one, and indivisible. Which means: his gigantic talent and uniqueness have a darker side to them: extreme sensibility and vulnerability, and thus an appetite for self-medication (the use of drugs). To compare: people with schizophrenia (not Brian) in general have a lack of inhibitory capacities in their brain (imbalance in neurotransmitters), and the result is that they have unusually high capacities for association; this can lead to great abilities in language, pictural arts, and music, much greater than is seen on average. But it can also lead to delusions (paranoia, psychosis).

And that is Brian, one and indivisible. And Mike is certainly not guilty of Brian's incapacitation.

Indeed. Look at Syd Barrett, or Skip Spence. Both of them produced ground breaking albums before they went under, and they both made completely different, twisted albums, later. The 60's produced a lot of mental illness, and a lot of drug casualties. Both LSD and the green stuff can bring out mental illness in people that are already "in tune" for such a thing.

Thank you. Peter Green is also a name that comes to mind.

[oldsurferdude]

He'd come off a lot better if he didn't wear all those silly hats, like the ridiculous one he wore at the HOF speech.  He's bald, bid deal.

How Myk comes off any more is irrelevant-his reputation is pretty much sealed in stone  and is what it is regardless of hats, jewelery, sandals, smelly jokes or Mick Jagger wannabe swagger. While Brian keeps moving forward, Myk is relagated to a fading career in a travelling juke box cover band. The only thing to look forward to with him(that is, if anyone cares) is how he plans to nuture his ego and line his pockets while still trying like Hell to keep hanging on to Brian's coat tails.

The true mark of anti-Mike Love dementia - much like anti-liberal or anti-conservative dementia - is the inability to even spell his name correctly, usually as a pejorative.

Whilst I agree that Mr. Love's SMiLe lawsuit (and seemingly many of his other actions over the years) were ridiculous and petty, it's safe to say that neither you or I or most of the other people on this board know Mr. Love personally. We don't live with him day to day or even, I'm guessing, deal with him in person from time to time.

Perhaps remembering that we're all human - and that Brian, as awesome as he is, has made plenty of mistakes in his life as well, of a decidedly different stripe than Mike's - will help you to get over your anti-Love dementia.

More "anti Myke Luhv dementia"-No, we don't live with him day to day, but  all his EX-wives did-and Brian spent numerous days with him-funny, all have gone their own ways haven't they?? Of course we all know that couldn't mean anything-just coincidence...

Well, I guess all my points went over your head. I'm not going to keep trying to hammer a square peg into the round hole of your psyche, except to ask how spelling his name differently is supposed to be an insult to him? Or is it just that you can't bear to spell his name the way he chooses to? I anxiously await your answer!

Speaking of psyche, why would one try to hammer a square...into..a..round...the  spelling of the name  references the subject appropriately-both are effed up.

So perhaps I can participate - how about Maihke Luvv? Or Mykke Loph? I guess you already hit on the really good ones, and now I'm just playing out the string with a pale imitation of your epiphets. As for why I would want to hammer a square peg into a round hole, it's because I like to waste my time on unimportant things - go figure!

Mr Surfer Dude, I share some of your anti-Mike Love sentiment.. I also love many things the man has done. Let me ask you how you feel about Dennis' many many ex-wives and people who he couldn't keep it together with? Do you judge him for that? What about Carl giving up on the Paley sessions, the last true potential Beach Boys reunion with two Wilsons?

The world isn't black and white, except for in Beach Boys revisionism land. You know I love you baby, I'd never hurt you. I just want to find out what makes Old Surfer Dude tick.

Epiphets?? Now look at the pot calling the kettle black!! How dare you not spell that word correctly!Why, do you have something askew in your psyche that makes you hate that word-Well that's just not in the best interests nor is it fair to that particular word! You're just being hateful, that's all!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument#Argument_by_analogy

They're two completely different cases, and you know that. Plus, you completely ignored the second point he brought up. Obviously, though, you aren't taking the debate seriously, so I have no idea why I'm bothering.
 

Simple answer! Lets start a "Why I love Dennis Wilson" thread and while we're at it we should do the same for Carl. I can give Carl a pass on giving up on the Paley sessions, but the real crown jewel is Dennis f-cking up Myke's karma on the  tv show and marrying Myke's daughter!

[hypehat]

Dude, did Mike run over your dog or something?

[oldsurferdude]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument#Argument_by_analogy

They're two completely different cases, and you know that. Plus, you completely ignored the second point he brought up. Obviously, though, you aren't taking the debate seriously, so I have no idea why I'm bothering.

Thanks Curtis. I don't know why I bothered either - perhaps just a defense against this place turning into the BlueBoard. Maybe if we begin speaking to him in emoticons it will get through, but somehow I doubt it.

. At least that's what I think.

[b00ts]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument#Argument_by_analogy

They're two completely different cases, and you know that. Plus, you completely ignored the second point he brought up. Obviously, though, you aren't taking the debate seriously, so I have no idea why I'm bothering.

Thanks Curtis. I don't know why I bothered either - perhaps just a defense against this place turning into the BlueBoard. Maybe if we begin speaking to him in emoticons it will get through, but somehow I doubt it.

. At least that's what I think.

Come on now man, you didn't need to bring my family into it! Also, the part about "purple monkey dishwasher" was below the belt.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Simple answer! Lets start a "Why I love Dennis Wilson" thread and while we're at it we should do the same for Carl. I can give Carl a pass on giving up on the Paley sessions, but the real crown jewel is Dennis friggin' up Myke's karma on the  tv show and marrying Myke's daughter!

You don't have any idea how much of a dick you're making yourself look, do you ? About as credible as using textspeak, and just as juvenile.

[Steve Mayo]

2nd that.....

[Mikie]

People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? Can we stop making it, making it horrible for people? It’s just not right. It’s not right. It’s not; it’s not going to change anything. Please, we can get along here. We all can get along. I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to work it out.

- Rodney King

[oldsurferdude]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument#Argument_by_analogy

They're two completely different cases, and you know that. Plus, you completely ignored the second point he brought up. Obviously, though, you aren't taking the debate seriously, so I have no idea why I'm bothering.

Thanks Curtis. I don't know why I bothered either - perhaps just a defense against this place turning into the BlueBoard. Maybe if we begin speaking to him in emoticons it will get through, but somehow I doubt it.

. At least that's what I think.

Come on now man, you didn't need to bring my family into it! Also, the part about "purple monkey dishwasher" was below the belt.

That was a great reply-good sense of humor, b00ts

[oldsurferdude]

Simple answer! Lets start a "Why I love Dennis Wilson" thread and while we're at it we should do the same for Carl. I can give Carl a pass on giving up on the Paley sessions, but the real crown jewel is Dennis friggin' up Myke's karma on the  tv show and marrying Myke's daughter!

You don't have any idea how much of a dick you're making yourself look, do you ? About as credible as using textspeak, and just as juvenile.

Hey there! Was wonderin'when you. were going to stick your uppity nose into this-why don't you go back to your fact finding and mind your own business

[Mike's Beard]

Is just me or do many of the Brian fanatics equivocate Mike bashing as a bizarre way of showing their support for Brian? You CAN like and respect both ya' know!

Very good. I must admit that I fell into this trap quite a number of years ago. In my mind, Brian was a guy whose true potential was only realised for, say, 20% or so. And who was to blame for the other 80%? The guy who had, according to reports, his problems with Pet Sounds and the concept of Smile, of course! Nothing as good as a complete and unquestioned story, that's it.

Now I feel that Brian's psyche must be foremost seen as one, and indivisible. Which means: his gigantic talent and uniqueness have a darker side to them: extreme sensibility and vulnerability, and thus an appetite for self-medication (the use of drugs). To compare: people with schizophrenia (not Brian) in general have a lack of inhibitory capacities in their brain (imbalance in neurotransmitters), and the result is that they have unusually high capacities for association; this can lead to great abilities in language, pictural arts, and music, much greater than is seen on average. But it can also lead to delusions (paranoia, psychosis).

And that is Brian, one and indivisible. And Mike is certainly not guilty of Brian's incapacitation.

Indeed. Look at Syd Barrett, or Skip Spence. Both of them produced ground breaking albums before they went under, and they both made completely different, twisted albums, later. The 60's produced a lot of mental illness, and a lot of drug casualties. Both LSD and the green stuff can bring out mental illness in people that are already "in tune" for such a thing.

Thank you. Peter Green is also a name that comes to mind.

Roky Whasshisname from 13TH Floor Elevators is another one.

It does make me laugh that (whever they where for self-serving reasons or not) Mike doing everything he could to try stop Brian from becoming a paranoid drugged up mess makes him a butthole apparently.

[Don_Zabu]

Didn't see this mentioned much, so here it goes:

He has one of the most vibrant bass voices I've ever heard.

[pancakerecords]

"In an ocean or in a glass, cool water is such a gas."

One of my favorite moments in any Beach Boys song, ever.

[Smilin Ed H]

 

[Mr. Cohen]

Thought this should be posted in this topic, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2qE61E0i7s

See, even Mike can "take the piss out of himself", as the British say. I don't see Brian doing any long, exaggerated falsettos.

[shelter]

Mike co-wrote more #1 hits for The Beach Boys than Brian did. 

[GoogaMooga]

Okay, here's my take on the Lovester:

1. Mike Love wrote The California Myth. Not Tony or VDP.
2. Mike Love has kept The Beach Boys active for 49 years.
3. Mike Love has never left the Beach Boys, the only member who stuck it out all the way.
4. Mike Love has made baseball caps cool, and I don't really like baseball caps.
5. I have never seen Mike without a cap, but I know someone who has.
6. Sumahama
7. Big Sur
8. Cool Head, Warm Heart
9. He can sing in three different registers.
10. The best goshdarn lyricist Brian ever worked with.