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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2010, 09:41:32 AM »

See, what's happening here is people putting words in my mouth. Not defending Obama, mainly because I'm English and we've got a bad enough mess over here (due in part to Blair licking Bush's ass when asked to, and frequently when not), thanks. Just want to know why Dave in KC gets so het up about it all. Personally, I find politics uninteresting because, when it comes down to it, all politicians will promise anything to get elected, then spend the rest of their time in office explaining why they can't walk the walk. If I detest anything, it's the obscene brand of political correctness that (over here at least), makes me run the risk of being branded a racist when all I'm being is patriotic (can't upset the muslims, you see, they're oppressed, and the sight of an English flag on our national day could be offensive to them: to which my reply is simple - well f*** off back home, then).

Where was I ? Oh, yes...

Again, I asked a simple question, one that has a simple answer, which I'm still awaiting.
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« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2010, 10:00:35 AM »

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over here (due in part to Blair licking Bush's ass when asked to, and frequently when not), thanks. Just want to know why Dave in KC gets so het up about it all. Personally, I find politics uninteresting because, when it comes down to it, all politicians will promise anything to get elected, then spend the rest of their time in office explaining why they can't walk the walk. If I detest anything, it's the obscene brand of political correctness that (over here at least), makes me run the risk of being branded a racist when all I'm being is patriotic (can't upset the muslims, you see, they're oppressed, and the sight of an English flag on our national day could be offensive to them: to which my reply is simple - well f*** off back home, then).

1) Exactly...when I vote, I pretty much vote for whomever is the lesser of two evils.

2). With your second point...it's amazing how similar our two countries are.
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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2010, 10:30:24 AM »

Q: How can you tell when a politician is lying?
A: His lips are moving!    Wink

I refuse to vote. As the guys from South Park so diligently put it "you always end up having to choose between a douche and a turd".
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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2010, 11:20:18 AM »

Maybe it was the word 'minstrel' that prompted some doubt in AGD's mind.  Did with me.
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« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2010, 11:35:28 AM »

He meant the term 'minstrel' as in McCartney was that night Obama's personal musician to play at his command, not the kind where some guy paints his face black and dances around in turn of the century vaudeville acts.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2010, 12:20:58 PM »

He meant the term 'minstrel' as in McCartney was that night Obama's personal musician to play at his command, not the kind where some guy paints his face black and dances around in turn of the century vaudeville acts.  Roll Eyes

Go up to anyone in the street, say 'minstrel', and I'll bet you they won't say 'Blondel de Nesle', 'Alan a Dale' or the like. Minstrel in the US has a very specific connotation. Hence my question.
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« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2010, 04:28:45 PM »

This thread (or splinter thread) certainly became fantastic.
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« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2010, 05:23:22 PM »

He meant the term 'minstrel' as in McCartney was that night Obama's personal musician to play at his command, not the kind where some guy paints his face black and dances around in turn of the century vaudeville acts.  Roll Eyes

Go up to anyone in the street, say 'minstrel', and I'll bet you they won't say 'Blondel de Nesle', 'Alan a Dale' or the like. Minstrel in the US has a very specific connotation. Hence my question.
Not too sure about that. I'll be out later and might try testing your theory, but I think 'wandering bard' when I hear minstrel, or, worse, New Christy Minstrels. Now, my grandfather might think 'blackface', but the only people I ever hear talking about race are the well-meaning 'liberals' who seem to like to bring it up any chance they get. I think its called 'race-bating'.
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« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2010, 06:55:39 PM »

I live in Rednickville, USA, and surprised I haven't had a burning cross on my front porch yet...I think the vast majority of the people I live around would disagree with you. I guess they haven't realized it's 2010.
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« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2010, 07:04:53 PM »

I may be in what may have once been considered nearly opposite of Redneckville, USA (though we're ever-further right) and was going to say something similar, but didn't want to seem as if I were baiting conservatives. I'll avoid assigning the reason people of any political stripe bring up race, but note that it seems an implicit or explicit topic pretty often by people all over the political map, and probably for a variety of reasons (even within each of those groups).
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« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2010, 12:47:14 PM »

When someone happens to be black... and they get attacked.... and a passerby says "That man is black, and is getting attacked because he's black".....



I'd say the only thing we know for certain is that the passerby is racist. 
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« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2010, 12:51:50 PM »

Nah, faulty logic. What if the passerby had only ever (or even primarily) witnessed attacks in the context of race-based attacks? Then it would be an understandable assumption, even if incorrect.
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