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« Reply #150 on: August 17, 2010, 11:28:41 PM »

fall breaks can't even touch let's go away for a while. 

I know, because it's so far above it, it just can't reach down low enough to give old Let's Go Away a tickle

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« Reply #151 on: August 17, 2010, 11:40:29 PM »

fall breaks can't even touch let's go away for a while. 

I know, because it's so far above it, it just can't reach down low enough to give old Let's Go Away a tickle



fall breaks can stay up where it is then.  don't bother coming down! 
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« Reply #152 on: August 18, 2010, 12:41:42 AM »

Debating the two is silly, you guys. They're both completely incomparable as far as tracks go. Made in two periods of Brian's life. Apples and Oranges.
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« Reply #153 on: August 18, 2010, 12:54:25 AM »

Debating the two is silly, you guys. They're both completely incomparable as far as tracks go. Made in two periods of Brian's life. Apples and Oranges.

Heh, I'm just kidding around. I love "Let's Go Away For A While", it floats through space. It is, or was, after all, the most satisfying piece of music Brian made, and that says a lot.
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« Reply #154 on: August 18, 2010, 01:51:07 AM »

Debating the two is silly, you guys. They're both completely incomparable as far as tracks go. Made in two periods of Brian's life. Apples and Oranges.

Heh, I'm just kidding around. I love "Let's Go Away For A While", it floats through space. It is, or was, after all, the most satisfying piece of music Brian made, and that says a lot.

Was! He's not dead, you know! Unless you're making some reference to another instrumental that flew way over my head.  Cool
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« Reply #155 on: August 18, 2010, 02:09:25 AM »

Myth: so cold I go burr is a brilliant and knowledgeable newbie here with amazing ideas.

Fact: its a pseudonym for Brian himself, posting without any outside control, and expressing his true, true wishes.
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« Reply #156 on: August 18, 2010, 09:47:25 AM »

Nah it's Mike, he's been fasting too much again and one of the side effects is posting on BB msg Boards in his sleep.   LOL
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« Reply #157 on: August 18, 2010, 10:20:13 AM »

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Was! He's not dead, you know! Unless you're making some reference to another instrumental that flew way over my head.  Cool

Look man, I made Let's Go Away For A While forty years ago and more. I've made a lot of music since then! How about Ding Dang for satisfying?

Myth: so cold I go burr is a brilliant and knowledgeable newbie here with amazing ideas.

Fact: its a pseudonym for Brian himself, posting without any outside control, and expressing his true, true wishes.


Haha that's crazy talk!

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« Reply #158 on: August 18, 2010, 10:34:02 AM »

But if I WERE Brian, I would most certainly put LSD in Jeff Foskett's morning milk. And then lock him in a room with LOVE YOU playing on repeat for 10 hours. That's real band practice.
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« Reply #159 on: August 18, 2010, 11:44:56 AM »

What has Jeff said about Love You exactly? Or any of the other insiders who don't like it for that matter.
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« Reply #160 on: August 18, 2010, 12:05:09 PM »

What has Jeff said about Love You exactly? Or any of the other insiders who don't like it for that matter.

He just doesn't like how it sounds.
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« Reply #161 on: August 18, 2010, 12:45:24 PM »

What has Jeff said about Love You exactly? Or any of the other insiders who don't like it for that matter.

He just doesn't like how it sounds.

All the more reason to perform it live and get it to sound good, methinks   Cool 
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« Reply #162 on: August 18, 2010, 09:43:42 PM »

I wanna see Nelson Bragg go crazy on percussion (like he did with Vegetables) only this time on Good Time
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« Reply #163 on: August 19, 2010, 12:12:14 AM »

What has Jeff said about Love You exactly? Or any of the other insiders who don't like it for that matter.

He just doesn't like how it sounds.

All the more reason to perform it live and get it to sound good, methinks   Cool 

I wouldn't want to hear the Love You material with faux 1965 production touches. I'm sure it wouldn't work anyway.
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« Reply #164 on: August 19, 2010, 12:34:15 AM »

What has Jeff said about Love You exactly? Or any of the other insiders who don't like it for that matter.

He just doesn't like how it sounds.

All the more reason to perform it live and get it to sound good, methinks   Cool 

I wouldn't want to hear the Love You material with faux 1965 production touches. I'm sure it wouldn't work anyway.

Right - it would have to be a zany synth filled show full of good vibes

Obviously I don't think Love You will ever get a single full performance but I could really see Brian doing a few songs from it at least - I'll Bet He's Nice, maybe. I'd rather hear them do the ballads than whimp out on the rockers. That is, unless they each have a serving of cocaine and birthday cake before taking to the stage.
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« Reply #165 on: August 19, 2010, 12:43:50 AM »

I will never comprehend Sgt. Pepper's mass appeal, can't stand most of it. The only really good song is (reprise) and that's a straight forward rocker.

I'd say Pepper and Smiley are both on opposing ends of two extremes.

One is a collection of poorly written songs overloaded with overdubs and G.Martin's production and arrangement to mask weak material, the other is a collection of brilliant songs let down by zero production and poorly thought out arrangements.

Betcha cant guess which is which?   Grin

Sgt. Pepper is a fine album of clever songs that well deserved to be popular. Smiley Smile is more of a deconstruction of the SMiLE album. Most songs on it don't even really count as compositions (e.g. "With Me Tonight", "Whistle In", "Little Pad", etc.). More like sketches as opposed to the songs written with Van Dyke Paks. And as much as I love Van's lyrics I don't think any of them are on the same level as George Harrison's "Within You Without You".

Bottom line: I LOVE Smiley Smile but I grew up on Sgt. Pepper and Piper At The Gates Of Dawn. Smiley Smile just seems kind of slapped together without much care to my ears. And I notice a lot of anti-Beatles sentiment here but isn't Rubber Soul the album that inspired Brian to make Pet Sounds? I'm sorry but I have a hard time hating the Beatles especially since EVERYBODY I know (including my 9 year old son) love their music. Beach Boys had their era but some of their later stuff quite honestly embarrasses me (especially after Dennis drowned).
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« Reply #166 on: August 19, 2010, 02:13:40 AM »

I will never comprehend Sgt. Pepper's mass appeal, can't stand most of it. The only really good song is (reprise) and that's a straight forward rocker.

I'd say Pepper and Smiley are both on opposing ends of two extremes.

One is a collection of poorly written songs overloaded with overdubs and G.Martin's production and arrangement to mask weak material, the other is a collection of brilliant songs let down by zero production and poorly thought out arrangements.

Betcha cant guess which is which?   Grin

Sgt. Pepper is a fine album of clever songs that well deserved to be popular. Smiley Smile is more of a deconstruction of the SMiLE album. Most songs on it don't even really count as compositions (e.g. "With Me Tonight", "Whistle In", "Little Pad", etc.). More like sketches as opposed to the songs written with Van Dyke Paks. And as much as I love Van's lyrics I don't think any of them are on the same level as George Harrison's "Within You Without You".

Bottom line: I LOVE Smiley Smile but I grew up on Sgt. Pepper and Piper At The Gates Of Dawn. Smiley Smile just seems kind of slapped together without much care to my ears. And I notice a lot of anti-Beatles sentiment here but isn't Rubber Soul the album that inspired Brian to make Pet Sounds? I'm sorry but I have a hard time hating the Beatles especially since EVERYBODY I know (including my 9 year old son) love their music. Beach Boys had their era but some of their later stuff quite honestly embarrasses me (especially after Dennis drowned).

I personally love the Beatles. Actually, that was basically the first band I was exposed to, back when I was a kid. Through them I found the Beach Boys and etc, etc.

The problem with comparing the two, is that basically, the two are incomparable. Apples and oranges, as they say. The Beatles were Merseybeat early on, Beach Boys were surf rock. The Beatles delved into psychedelic rock, whist Brian delved into more symphonic related elements. SMiLE, as it originally was intended, is actually much closer to Sgt. Pepper, then, say, Pet Sounds. Emphasizing the "happy" side of acid. And afterwards, the two bands branched off into two completely different directions musically. The Beatles also had two god-tier songwriters who worked with each other quite often. And a producer who was more than willing to help. Brian had himself and maybe a lyricist too. Dennis didn't develop until a bit later, and he peaked and fizzed out too early on to make much of a dent. 

Another problem is the fact that the Beatles didn't last THAT long, which is to their eternal benefit. But, need I remind you, that the early 80's found Paul and George and Ringo struggling. And they found John, dead. In fact, most of the rock dinosaurs were struggling by the 80s. The Stones, the Who, the Kinks, especially Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, etc, etc. They weren't a good time for rock in general.

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« Reply #167 on: August 19, 2010, 02:56:15 AM »

I will never comprehend Sgt. Pepper's mass appeal, can't stand most of it. The only really good song is (reprise) and that's a straight forward rocker.

I'd say Pepper and Smiley are both on opposing ends of two extremes.

One is a collection of poorly written songs overloaded with overdubs and G.Martin's production and arrangement to mask weak material, the other is a collection of brilliant songs let down by zero production and poorly thought out arrangements.

Betcha cant guess which is which?   Grin

Sgt. Pepper is a fine album of clever songs that well deserved to be popular. Smiley Smile is more of a deconstruction of the SMiLE album. Most songs on it don't even really count as compositions (e.g. "With Me Tonight", "Whistle In", "Little Pad", etc.). More like sketches as opposed to the songs written with Van Dyke Paks. And as much as I love Van's lyrics I don't think any of them are on the same level as George Harrison's "Within You Without You".

Bottom line: I LOVE Smiley Smile but I grew up on Sgt. Pepper and Piper At The Gates Of Dawn. Smiley Smile just seems kind of slapped together without much care to my ears. And I notice a lot of anti-Beatles sentiment here but isn't Rubber Soul the album that inspired Brian to make Pet Sounds? I'm sorry but I have a hard time hating the Beatles especially since EVERYBODY I know (including my 9 year old son) love their music. Beach Boys had their era but some of their later stuff quite honestly embarrasses me (especially after Dennis drowned).

I personally love the Beatles. Actually, that was basically the first band I was exposed to, back when I was a kid. Through them I found the Beach Boys and etc, etc.

The problem with comparing the two, is that basically, the two are incomparable. Apples and oranges, as they say. The Beatles were Merseybeat early on, Beach Boys were surf rock. The Beatles delved into psychedelic rock, whist Brian delved into more symphonic related elements. SMiLE, as it originally was intended, is actually much closer to Sgt. Pepper, then, say, Pet Sounds. Emphasizing the "happy" side of acid. And afterwards, the two bands branched off into two completely different directions musically. The Beatles also had two god-tier songwriters who worked with each other quite often. And a producer who was more than willing to help. Brian had himself and maybe a lyricist too. Dennis didn't develop until a bit later, and he peaked and fizzed out too early on to make much of a dent.  

Another problem is the fact that the Beatles didn't last THAT long, which is to their eternal benefit. But, need I remind you, that the early 80's found Paul and George and Ringo struggling. And they found John, dead. In fact, most of the rock dinosaurs were struggling by the 80s. The Stones, the Who, the Kinks, especially Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, etc, etc. They weren't a good time for rock in general.



As a follow up to that, I think one of the reasons that the Beatles are given a bit of a bad rap, is that they were always more popular, always more recognized in the public eye. Just about every single, every album, they released was a number one. Basically, they could release a tape of fart noises and it would still go gold. The Beach Boys had to struggle to make a number one. And the Beatles' popularity never waned until they broke up. The Beach Boys lost most of their fanbase after SMiLE. I also don't think any of their albums went number one...

EDIT: For clarification, I'm referring to studio albums. I know Concert and Endless Summer both went number one.
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« Reply #168 on: August 19, 2010, 06:35:49 AM »

I will never comprehend Sgt. Pepper's mass appeal, can't stand most of it. The only really good song is (reprise) and that's a straight forward rocker.

I'd say Pepper and Smiley are both on opposing ends of two extremes.

One is a collection of poorly written songs overloaded with overdubs and G.Martin's production and arrangement to mask weak material, the other is a collection of brilliant songs let down by zero production and poorly thought out arrangements.

Betcha cant guess which is which?   Grin

Sgt. Pepper is a fine album of clever songs that well deserved to be popular. Smiley Smile is more of a deconstruction of the SMiLE album. Most songs on it don't even really count as compositions (e.g. "With Me Tonight", "Whistle In", "Little Pad", etc.). More like sketches as opposed to the songs written with Van Dyke Paks. And as much as I love Van's lyrics I don't think any of them are on the same level as George Harrison's "Within You Without You".

Bottom line: I LOVE Smiley Smile but I grew up on Sgt. Pepper and Piper At The Gates Of Dawn. Smiley Smile just seems kind of slapped together without much care to my ears. And I notice a lot of anti-Beatles sentiment here but isn't Rubber Soul the album that inspired Brian to make Pet Sounds? I'm sorry but I have a hard time hating the Beatles especially since EVERYBODY I know (including my 9 year old son) love their music. Beach Boys had their era but some of their later stuff quite honestly embarrasses me (especially after Dennis drowned).

I personally love the Beatles. Actually, that was basically the first band I was exposed to, back when I was a kid. Through them I found the Beach Boys and etc, etc.

The problem with comparing the two, is that basically, the two are incomparable. Apples and oranges, as they say. The Beatles were Merseybeat early on, Beach Boys were surf rock. The Beatles delved into psychedelic rock, whist Brian delved into more symphonic related elements. SMiLE, as it originally was intended, is actually much closer to Sgt. Pepper, then, say, Pet Sounds. Emphasizing the "happy" side of acid. And afterwards, the two bands branched off into two completely different directions musically. The Beatles also had two god-tier songwriters who worked with each other quite often. And a producer who was more than willing to help. Brian had himself and maybe a lyricist too. Dennis didn't develop until a bit later, and he peaked and fizzed out too early on to make much of a dent. 

Another problem is the fact that the Beatles didn't last THAT long, which is to their eternal benefit. But, need I remind you, that the early 80's found Paul and George and Ringo struggling. And they found John, dead. In fact, most of the rock dinosaurs were struggling by the 80s. The Stones, the Who, the Kinks, especially Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, etc, etc. They weren't a good time for rock in general.


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« Reply #169 on: August 19, 2010, 09:42:13 AM »

Little Pad is not a real composition? Lol wut

BW&band should do that song live... it would bring down the house

Big Jeff with tiny ukulele, BRIAN on organ drones, whole band chimes in on harmonies while wearing Smurf masks... heaven
 
And if you think about it, Brian's current voice is very well suited to low key songs like that... all the more reason why there should be a tour featuring Smiley Smile and Friends, and a few cuts from Wild Honey too! I've never seen Brian live ... don't have money or transportation ... but that would be a show I would find a way of seeing no matter what.
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« Reply #170 on: August 19, 2010, 10:09:51 AM »

I will never comprehend Sgt. Pepper's mass appeal, can't stand most of it. The only really good song is (reprise) and that's a straight forward rocker.

I'd say Pepper and Smiley are both on opposing ends of two extremes.

One is a collection of poorly written songs overloaded with overdubs and G.Martin's production and arrangement to mask weak material, the other is a collection of brilliant songs let down by zero production and poorly thought out arrangements.

Betcha cant guess which is which?   Grin

Sgt. Pepper is a fine album of clever songs that well deserved to be popular. Smiley Smile is more of a deconstruction of the SMiLE album. Most songs on it don't even really count as compositions (e.g. "With Me Tonight", "Whistle In", "Little Pad", etc.). More like sketches as opposed to the songs written with Van Dyke Paks. And as much as I love Van's lyrics I don't think any of them are on the same level as George Harrison's "Within You Without You".

Bottom line: I LOVE Smiley Smile but I grew up on Sgt. Pepper and Piper At The Gates Of Dawn. Smiley Smile just seems kind of slapped together without much care to my ears. And I notice a lot of anti-Beatles sentiment here but isn't Rubber Soul the album that inspired Brian to make Pet Sounds? I'm sorry but I have a hard time hating the Beatles especially since EVERYBODY I know (including my 9 year old son) love their music. Beach Boys had their era but some of their later stuff quite honestly embarrasses me (especially after Dennis drowned).

I don't hate the Beatles. "Help!", "Abby Rd" and (an edited to single lp) "White Album" are all fine albums in my opinion. I'm just baffled whenever people claim they are the "greatest group of all time". And to anyone that thinks so my response would be that you haven't listened to enough groups.
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« Reply #171 on: August 19, 2010, 10:18:10 AM »

Well if you believe that The Beatles weren't just a cutesy band of Liverpudlians and were actually a dubious marketing and mass brainwashing operation led by the powers that be... then it all makes sense. Their popularity was programmed. They were used by the CIA to spread sex and drugs among the youth of the world and to break down old ways of living ready for the new world order. Not to mention, Paul is dead.

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« Reply #172 on: August 19, 2010, 02:13:06 PM »

Well if you believe that The Beatles weren't just a cutesy band of Liverpudlians and were actually a dubious marketing and mass brainwashing operation led by the powers that be... then it all makes sense. Their popularity was programmed. They were used by the CIA to spread sex and drugs among the youth of the world and to break down old ways of living ready for the new world order. Not to mention, Paul is dead.



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« Reply #173 on: August 19, 2010, 05:19:40 PM »

Well if you believe that The Beatles weren't just a cutesy band of Liverpudlians and were actually a dubious marketing and mass brainwashing operation led by the powers that be... then it all makes sense. Their popularity was programmed. They were used by the CIA to spread sex and drugs among the youth of the world and to break down old ways of living ready for the new world order. Not to mention, Paul is dead.



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« Reply #174 on: July 26, 2011, 09:36:33 AM »

I can't believe I missed this thread!

Here's some stuff I posted to my blog a couple of years ago...wonder if any of THIS is true or untrue!

MYTH: Brian Wilson's near-deafness in his right ear was the result of a beating from his abusive father.

The truth is that we may never get the truth on this one, and it's also not really any of our business as it's a personal matter. But below are a few sources.

When Brian appeared on 20/20 Downtown in 2000, he was asked whether it was true that his deafness was a result of his father's abuse. Brian said no, he was born deaf in his right ear. It should be noted that Brian was very upbeat and positive throughout all his segments on the show and even referred to his father as "my hero."

However, in a European magazine article in 2004, Brian said that when he was a young boy Murry hit him in the head with a 2 x 4, and that's what caused his partial deafness. And you know what? Brian's overall tone in the article was negative and a bit gloomy.

And in Brian's interview with Larry King in the same year, he said that he was born deaf in that ear.

Basically, the various sources don't agree with each other -- and Brian contradicts himself on this issue. Heck, for all we know, Brian doesn't even know for sure.

MYTH: "Surfer Girl" was the first song Brian Wilson ever wrote.

This is one of those things that I can't confirm. However, according to the late Bob Hanes, Brian's old friends from school roll their eyes whenever he goes on record as saying "Surfer Girl" was his first song. Why? Because they remember several songs he wrote before that one. I guess you can count a song mentioned in David Leaf's book that Brian wrote for a homework assignment when he was ten years old, but to be fair, it wasn't completely original - he rewrote the words of an existing song. Perhaps what's true is that "Surfer Girl" is the first song Brian ever wrote that was actually released.

MYTH: The Beach Boys formed when Murry and Audree Wilson went on a trip to Mexico on Labor Day Weekend and the Wilson brothers rented instruments with money Murry an Audree left for them to buy food with.

See this link --  http://www.surfermoon.com/essays/aldental.html -- and scroll down for the details!

MYTH: Al Jardine left The Beach Boys in 1963 to finish dental school at Ferris State College.

Read the same link above from an online fan discussion for details.


MYTH: "Girl, Don't Tell Me" was Carl Wilson's first lead vocal.


The back cover of the 1965 album Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) lists the lead vocalists of nearly all the songs. "Girl Don't Tell Me" is listed as a Carl Wilson lead vocal, leading many fans and insiders to believe that it was Carl's first-ever lead vocal. Even Brian's notes on the back of the album say, "I'm glad I finally wrote a song Carl dug singin'." Note the wording of this quote.

Although it remained unreleased until 1990, Carl Wilson sang lead on the 1964 song "All Dressed Up For School," despite CD liner notes claiming it's Brian. When asked about this, Carl said it was recorded so long ago that he didn't remember whether he or Brian sang lead on it. The vocal on the song has various phrasings that were unique to Carl's voice. A bootleg compilation that includes studio outtakes of this song also reveals that Carl indeed was the lead singer.

And we have at least one song that pre-dates that outtake; however, this song was actually released shortly after it was recorded: "Pom, Pom Playgirl." CD liner notes again incorrectly credit Brian as the lead vocalist, but the same vocal uniquities that distinguish Carl's voice on "All Dressed Up..." also appear in "Pom, Pom Playgirl." Also, as a joke the Beach Boys performed one verse of "Pom, Pom Playgirl" during an Indiana concert in 1971 immediately before "God Only Knows." Carl was introduced as the vocalist, and a bootleg recording of the concert compared to the 1964 studio version is a perfect vocal match.

And on the Beach Boys' debut album, Surfin' Safari, there's a cover of Eddie Cochran's "Summertime Blues." While Brian was always assumed to be one of the two vocalists, the bootleg CD Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 1 reveals that the person singing the melody was Carl. A voice-over during the session identifies one of the takes as being "with Carl and Ni[c]k," indicating that Carl was one of the vocalists, and someone named Nick -- possibly Nik Venet.

But wait...wouldn't Brian in 1965 when he wrote those notes remember if Carl sang lead on another song? Certainly! Note that he didn't specifically say that GDTM was Carl's first lead vocal; he simply said he was glad that he wrote a song Carl liked to sing. Carl may not have liked singing the album filler "Pom, Pom Playgirl." Brian didn't write "Summertime Blues."

MYTH: "The Little Girl I Once Knew" stalled at #20 on the Billboard chart because radio stations refused to play the song with its several instances of sudden stops, which would result in dead air.

Yes, it's true that radio stations tend to dislike dead air. Let's say you're surfin' down the radio dial, and you come to a spot that, at that particular moment, is silent. You assume that there's no station there, so you keep surfing until you get to an obvious station.

But fans who remember the November 8, 1965 release of "The Little Girl I Once Knew" remember that the song was riding up the charts just as steadily as any other Beach Boys hit. But why did it suddenly stall at #20?

The answer to that question came on December 20, 1965, with the release of an edited version of "Barbara Ann," an acoustic cover from the album Recorded "live" at a...Beach Boys' Party!. Capitol rush-released this song and promoted the bejeezus out of it. With its tight harmonies, many hooks, and fun sing-along style, "Barbara Ann" had all the trademarks of a hit Beach Boys song that stayed close to the formula -- close enough to reach #2 on Billboard. "The Little Girl I Once Knew" was suddenly forgotten about.

MYTH: Although highly acclaimed today, Pet Sounds was a flop when it was first released in 1966.

It went to number 10 on the Billboard album chart, which measures from 1 to 200. Yes, number 10. Pet Sounds was a top-ten album, people! Okay, everybody...those of you who would be disappointed if you recorded a top-ten album, raise your hands! For comparison's sake, the album that contained "Fun, Fun, Fun," "The Warmth Of The Sun," and "Don't Worry, Baby" only went to number 13 (which, interestingly, was Smile's peak chart position).

MYTH: A Theremin is one of the instruments used in the songs "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" and "Good Vibrations."

The instrument actually used is a device that uses technology similar to that of Moog's synthesizer and designed by Paul Tanner, hence the instrument's monicker "Tannerin." It was designed to sound like a Theremin (which is probably why during the recording sessions Brian Wilson kept referring to it as a Theremin), but it doesn't work the same way. While a Theremin is played via hand motions around two sensors, a Tannerin is controlled by a slider and operates similarly to the instrument Mike Love played when the Beach Boys performed "Good Vibrations" on the Ed Sullivan Show.

The sound in each instrument is different as well. While the Tannerin emits a whistle-like and almost siren-like sound, the Theremin produces a buzzing sound.

During Brian's 1999 solo tour, there was a Theremin on stage for "Good Vibrations," and Steve Dahl frenetically waved his arms around it, but apparently he wasn't really playing it -- and Dahl apparently didn't KNOW he wasn't playing it! One fan reports noticing that while Steve was "playing" a Theremin, Probyn Gregory at the same time was playing a Tannerin on stage!

Since 1999, the Tannerin found a home on stage with Brian Wilson's backing band, usually played by Probyn Gregory during the tunes "Good Vibrations," "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times," "Heroes And Villains," and "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow."

MYTH: Van Dyke Parks was once a child actor, and he played Tommy Manicotti on the TV show The Honeymooners.


Yes, Parks was a child actor, but no, he did not play Tommy Manicotti on the classic Gleason show. That credit goes to Ralph Robertson, who also played a character named Johnny Bennett. Coincidentally, though, Van Dyke Parks and an actor named Ralph Robertson both guest-starred on Campbell Playhouse a few months apart; however, imdb.com lists two different Ralph Robertsons, and it's unclear which Ralph Robertson this was. (Thanks, Aegir!)

MYTH: Because a corresponding film was planned for Smile, there exists a film clip for "Fire," which features the Beach Boys portraying firemen responding to a call.

While the documentary An American Band shows film of the Beach Boys in firefighter outfits with "Fire" as the background music, the film itself consisted of footage and outtakes from a "Good Vibrations" promo film; the fire theme just happened to match perfectly with the music. The promo film was released in 2006 as part of the Pet Sounds 40th anniversary CD/DVD combo package.


MYTH: Leonard Bernstein praised Brian Wilson's music during the 1967 TV special Inside Pop.


The TV special had two halves, and Brian appeared in the half that was hosted not by Bernstein but by David Oppenheim. While Brian performs "Surf's Up," a voice-over describes the complexity of the music and how the song requires more than one listening to fully understand. The voice belongs to Oppenheim, who introduces himself at the beginning of his half of the TV special.

A clip of the Inside Pop performance of "Surf's Up," without the voice-over, appears in the documentary An American Band, while a longer clip appears on several bootleg CDs, some of which have the voice-over intact.

MYTH: Brian Wilson stopped working on the Smile album after hearing Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, feeling that he had been beaten by The Beatles.

While many people would like to believe this, it's almost impossible to be true. Brian abandoned Smile in early May 1967; Sgt. Pepper's was released in the States on June 2, 1967. The only finished part of the album that we know for sure Brian heard was "A Day in the Life," as Paul McCartney brought a copy of it for him to listen to in April 1967. Brian may also have heard McCartney perform "She's Leaving Home" on a piano, but that's most likely the extent of what Brian would have heard; one finished track and a solo piano performance is hardly a reason for someone to abandon several months' worth of intense studio recordings.

A short write-up in a 1967 newspaper confirms that it's highly unlikely that Brian gave up Smile thanks to the 1967 Beatles masterpiece. As reproduced in Domenic Priore's book Look! Listen! VIBRATE! SMILE!, here's the writeup in its entirety:

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Brian Wilson is reported to have heard the Beatles LP track -- "A Day In The Life Of" -- and to be so knocked out that he has retired to live in a Sauna bath and there to sweat out some more mind-jamming material for further Beach Boys' discs.


In other words, it's more likely that after hearing "A Day In The Life," Brian felt encouraged to TOP it!

MYTH: There is profanity in the remake of "I Was Made To Love Her" that appears on the Wild Honey album.

Probably one of the oldest Beach Boys myths, going back to around the time the album came out, is that the background lyrics are, "You son of a bitch, you love her." I heard that it was even the subject of a trivia question that a radio station had as a contest back in the day. ("Which Beach Boys song has profane language?" or something to that effect.) The actual lyric, possibly semi-obscured by percussion: "Yes, I was made to love her."

MYTH: At the end of a recording session for The Beatles' Get Back album, John Lennon played "The Lonely Sea" on his guitar as people were going home for the night.

This is one of those myths that just won't die. The problem is that it was reported by Doug Sulpy in his book about the Get Back sessions, and because Doug Sulpy is a highly respected author (and deservingly so), many fans want to take his word as gospel. This recording has been bootlegged, notably on Yellow Dog's The Day By Day Series. A listen to the alleged performance of "The Lonely Sea" reveals very few similarities to the Beach Boys' song and what Lennon actually plays. Should you listen to a recording of the session, try to sing "The Lonely Sea" to John's guitar arpeggios -- you can't! The chord changes are an entire measure short. In all honesty, most likely John was just playing some random arpeggios for no apparent reason. It sounds closer to the ending chords of "I Am The Walrus" but played in waltz time. John does vocalize while he plays, but it's simply a high-pitched "EEeeeeeeeeeee!" in no particular key.

MYTH: Dennis Wilson cowrote "You Are So Beautiful" with Billy Preston but neither received nor asked for credit.

The answer to this one depends on whom you ask!

I believe it was Jon Stebbins' book that recounts a story told by Billy Hinsche, who was at a party and witnessed Dennis and Billy at a piano writing the song. It certainly makes sense -- it's definitely the kind of song Dennis would have written at the time, so it might not be a coincidence that he sang it in concert a lot.

However, when Billy Preston was a guest at the Chicago Beatlefest in 2004, I asked him what parts of "You Are So Beautiful" Dennis actually wrote. Billy laughed and said, "WHO?!?!" I said, "uhhh...Dennis Wilson? From the Beach Boys?" Billy laughed again and reiterated, "WHOOOOO!!??!?? haa haaaaaaa!!! Naw, man, he's trippin'! He didn't write that song!" Hmmmm.

After I posted about how a ballroom of a few thousand people laughed as Billy pretty much shot down my question, several fans said that according to Billy Hinsche, both Dennis and Preston were probably so stoned at the time that neither one of them would probably remember who wrote the song anyway. Others suggested that maybe Preston really did remember Dennis writing some of it but didn't want to go on record admitting it, possibly for fear of legal backlash.

On March 13, 2009, Jon Stebbins, author of Dennis Wilson: The Real Beach Boy, posted the following on the message board at www.brianwilson.com:

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I've done a new round of interviews on this subject, and the more people who were around at the time that you ask, the clearer it becomes that Dennis actually did have a hand in writing You Are So Beautiful along with Billy Preston. When Dennis realized he'd received no credit for it, he decided one way to remedy that was to sing it every night, and make it his own anyway. This wasn't a coincidence, Dennis wanted people to think of YASB as his song. I am blown away by how many people in the BB's family and inner circle firmly believe that Dennis wrote it. Too many for it to be a myth.

MYTH: The Beach Boys filmed a TV special in 1976 called It's OK.

In Keith Badman's slightly controversial book about The Beach Boys, he pointed out that the NBC TV special didn't have a title other than The Beach Boys. He's right -- check the opening credits on your old VHS or your DVD, or if you can find the original TV Guide listing, you'll have your proof.

MYTH: Looking Back With Love isn't as bad as everybody says it is.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaay.....whatever.

MYTH: Brian Wilson spent decades of his life as a recluse on drugs in bed.

That statement is what the media seem to want to believe when trying to sum up the life of Brian Wilson. But it's simply not true, unless "decades" means "a few years in the '70s and a few years in the '80s."

Although his output was very minimal, Brian Wilson certainly did some activity in the '70s. He wrote, produced, and sang many of the songs on the Sunflower album. He attempted a couple of vocal takes on "Surf's Up" on the album of the same name in 1971 and contributed a brand new song. Brian's name appears in both songwriting and production credits on 1972's Carl and the Passions - "So Tough". He produced a Jan Berry single in 1973, and in the same year he both produced and performed on an album by Spring -- and did at least one radio interview of considerable length to promote it. He contributed a handful of songs to the Holland album and sang in the background. Brian did at least one hour-long interview on a radio show in 1974 and performed on the Beach Boys' sole 1974 output, "Child of Winter."

So, it looks like 1975 was Brian's only true inactive year in the '70s. In 1976 he went through a drug rehab program, lost significant weight, and recorded and produced extensively with the Beach Boys, and of course toured regularly with the group. Sadly, he reverted back to his drug habit shortly afterward and regained the weight he lost (and then some), but he still continued to tour with the group into 1982, at which point he went through the rehab program again, this time successfully.

MYTH: Many years ago Brian Wilson suffered a stroke during surgery, and this accounts for many of his physical habits.

I'm going into some sensitive territory here. Many people cite some occasional slurred speech from Brian as evidence. (Ever think that perhaps he was nervous on camera?) Others cite how he tends to talk toward the side of his mouth. Let me attack the side-of-mouth thing right now. This is noticeable in the I Just Wasn't Made For These Times documentary. Shortly after the movie was released, Brian said in an interview that he noticed he did that and was kind of embarrassed by it and was trying to break that habit. He said he more than likely subconsciously "talks to" his good ear so he can hear himself. Also, if you look closely at early Beach Boys films, you'll see that Brian always talked out of the side of his mouth. (Did he have a stroke when he was 22 years old?!) And you know what? Watch I Just Made For These Times and you'll see Audree talking out of the side of her mouth...Carnie too! So obviously, strokes run in the family, right? Uhhh...no. Besides...if the side-of-mouth habit were the result of a stroke, wouldn't the entire right side of Brian's body, face and all, be paralyzed? (Mind you, I'm no medical expert.)

In the mid-1990s, a fan on the Beach Boys newsgroups took questions from other fans that he was going to ask the Wilson family's attorney, who agreed to do an interview for the fans. A few days later the interview was posted. The stroke-as-a-result-of-surgery issue was mentioned. The lawyer could neither confirm nor deny that Brian had a stroke, but she did eventually say "there was no surgery."

More than likely, the myth about the stroke-from-surgery was fueled by Timothy White's book, The Nearest Faraway Place. But what's interesting is that the book clearly states that there was no surgery, basically concurring with what the lawyer said. Why was there no surgery? Well, apparently Brian was scheduled for some plastic surgery to remove excess skin left over from his extreme weight loss. Brian allegedly was very nervous while waiting for the surgeon, and the story is that Landy gave him a couple of tranquilizers to calm him. When the surgeon found out, he freaked and called off the surgery because the combination of tranqs and the impending anaesthetic could cause a stroke. In other words, no surgery, no anaesthetic, no side effect from a bad drug interaction, no stroke.

Again, my sources on this is the posting from the Wilson family attorney, which is theoretically findable if you do a search through Google Groups, and Timothy White's book.

MYTH: Mike Love sued Al Jardine over the use of The Beach Boys' name.

Despite what many fans believe, and what has been published on a few occasions, Mike did not sue Al Jardine. It was Brother who sued Jardine for trademark infringement. Details of the court case are public record, so anybody who knows how to access those details can verify that this is true.

MYTH: In a move that puzzles many fans, Brian Wilson voted against Al Jardine's use of the Beach Boys' name. As a result, "Beach Boys Family and Friends," whose members included Brian's daughters Carnie and Wendy, couldn't get booked. So essentially, Brian's vote hindered his daughters' careers.

When Brian's current bandmate Jeffrey Foskett was asked about this on April 1, 2001, at a private concert he gave, Foskett said, "You have your information wrong. There was no vote." As I was present, I can give a first-hand account of what Jeff said. He basically said that there was no such thing as a "vote," and the reason that Mike Love has the right to use The Beach Boys' name is that he went through the proper legal channels to get the license of the name from Brother, but Al didn't, and that's why he was forced to stop using the name. He emphasized that Brian had nothing to do with Carnie and Wendy not being able to perform under that name. Jeff added that there are four corporate members of BRI: Mike Love, Al Jardine, Brian Wilson, and the estate of Carl Wilson. (Dennis's share was bought out long ago.) All income from the concerts that the corporate members perform -- including both Jardine's group and Brian -- is pooled together and goes toward paying for the everyday operation of BRI, legal fees, etc., and what's left is distributed equally to all members. (Mind you this might have changed since, but I can't confirm for sure that it has changed.)

MYTH: When Brian Wilson performs the song "Do It Again" in concert, some of the other singers sing "sue it again" at the end of the last verse as a commentary of the seemingly endless lawsuits filed by various current and past members of The Beach Boys over the last couple of decades.

To this day there are some people who religiously believe this to be true. It just ain't. Period. I'm sure Brian's band would be a bit more subtle. At the very least, they'd sing "sue him again" instead of "sue it again." What the hell does "sue it" mean, anyway? You can't sue an object!

At the same private concert mentioned in the previous myth, a fan asked Jeffrey Foskett if this is true. He said absolutely not, and he actually confirmed what I always believed: some of the singers sing "do it again," others sing "surf again." This is very believable, as there's an early take of "Do It Again" on the Endless Harmony compilation in which the last verse ends, "...so let's get back together and surf again." The combination of some singers singing "do" and others singing "surf" gives it the illusion that they're actually singing "sue it again." Brian's band is always throwing in little surprises from obscure variations of Brian's songs; heck, they were even rehearsing the "hum-bee-dah" section from "Good Vibrations" as early as 2001!

Still unconvinced? Then get yourself the DVD of A TNT Tribute to Brian Wilson. One of the extras is Brian's performance of "Do It Again" from that concert. Listen to the center channel of the 5.1 mix -- that's pretty much Foskett's vocal isolated. You will clearly hear Jeff sing "surf again."

MYTH: Paul McCartney and George Martin were in attendance at the debut of Smile.

Most fans actually are aware that this is not true. However, some editing in the Beautiful Dreamer documentary implies that they were present. Unfortunately, I can't get a straight answer as to which performance they attended. Depending on which fans you ask, it was either the second, third, or fourth performance.

MYTH: The Good Vibrations CD EP released on June 27, 2006 contains an alternate take of "Good Vibrations" that was never released in the U.S.

Well...not really. Despite what the notes on the CD say, that exact same was released in the U.S. in 1983 on the Rarities compilation put out by Capitol, which contained other then-hard-to-find tracks such as "Land Ahoy," "With A Little Help From My Friends," and the single version of "Cotton Fields."

To be more accurate, the CD notes could have said that the track was never before released on C.D. in the U.S.; Rarities was briefly available on CD but only in Japan -- it is possible, although difficult, to get the CD elsewhere as an import.

MYTH: That Lucky Old Sun is a round that Brian composed with Van Dyke Parks.

The "round" part comes from an interview or two that Brian gave. By definition, That Lucky Old Sun isn't really a round -- a round is what happens when you have a piece of music in which a melody is performed, then the same melody is performed out of sync with the other melody, like "Row, Row, Row Your Boat." Brian uses the term "round" loosely, just as he described Smile as a "rock opera," even though it's not an opera by any definition.

As for Van Dyke Parks...his only contributions were the spoken interludes and some of the lyrics to "Live Let Live." Brian's main collaborator on this project was Scott Bennett. (If you read the Chicago Sun-Times, you might remember Jim DeRogatis' bashing of the album, and calling Bennett, and I quote, a "Hollywood hack," despite the fact that Scott is from Chicago.)
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