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« on: August 18, 2009, 09:17:25 AM »

what had happened if smile had been released in 1967?
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 09:22:36 AM »

You wouldn't be asking this question in 2009.
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 09:23:40 AM »

Top topic. Once in a while someone comes up with a question so original, so mind-bogglingly gripping, that it takes one's breath away.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 09:47:04 AM »

Top topic. Once in a while someone comes up with a question so original, so mind-bogglingly gripping, that it takes one's breath away.

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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2009, 09:51:53 AM »

People would be wondering "Gee, what if the Beatles had released SGT. Pepper instead of giving up all hope once they heard SMiLE?"
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2009, 09:53:08 AM »

Sgt pepper wouldn't be as over hyped as it is today, and The Beach Boys would have the first and second spots on rolling stone's 500 greatest.
 
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2009, 09:54:55 AM »

Top topic. Once in a while someone comes up with a question so original, so mind-bogglingly gripping, that it takes one's breath away.


ohh im so sorry mr the heartical dol


i forgot that you are a so smart



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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2009, 09:58:37 AM »

Top topic. Once in a while someone comes up with a question so original, so mind-bogglingly gripping, that it takes one's breath away.


ohh im so sorry mr the heartical dol


i forgot that you are a so smart



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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2009, 10:19:16 AM »

You wouldn't be asking this question in 2009.

Ba-boom !  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2009, 01:08:45 PM »

what had happened if smile had been released in 1972?
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2009, 01:18:34 PM »

what had happened if smile had been released in 1972?
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2009, 01:30:41 PM »

what had happened if smile had been released in 1972?
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The band would have been $50,000 better off.  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2009, 03:05:12 PM »

Muchacho Playero, do  not take offense! I have asked a thousand questions like this and had my nose put out of joint every time at what I thought were 'smart alec' answers. Basically, unless I am missing some hidden irony in your query, this is the single burning question on which the entire existance of this message board seems to hinge. To just come out and ask it so brazenly seems at once unbelievably naiive and startlingly brilliant.

For what it's worth I think it would have been not nearly as commercial a success as pepper, and thus a disappointment for BW. Time would have revealed its brilliant facets undoubtedly, but I wonder if Brian and VDP would have struggled to unify it in a way that would have made it as significant and relevant as Pepper at the time, even though musically it would have been more accomplished imo.

And as for Tony W's counter question of what would've happened had it been released in 72, that is not a dig but a relevant point as the Beach Boys publicly announced plans to release Smile in that year.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2009, 03:22:27 PM »

what had happened if smile had been released in 1972?
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As the band were contractually obliged to Warner/Reprise to complete SMiLE by 1972 this is a valid question and one not often discussed on this board - most of the discusion revolve around SMiLE '67 and SMiLE '04. (And yes, Andrew's answer to SMiLE '72 was 100% correct)

By way of introduction feel free to give us your opinion of the potential repercussions of SMiLE '67 and following it's failure to be released the potential repercussion of SMiLE '72 as Carl would have compiled it. And don't be scared to say what you think - what you will find here is that there are many opinions and open discussions which often lead down the path to enlightenment.

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2009, 04:17:54 PM »

I think if SMiLE would've come out in 1967, IMO, TODAY it would be in all of the Top 10 album polls, right up there with Pet Sounds and The Beatles' Rubber Soul/Revolver/Sgt. Pepper's. I don't think SMiLE would've sold as well as Pet Sounds because of the lack of hit singles, but I think over time it would've approached Pet Sounds in sales.
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2009, 04:32:22 PM »

I think I can salvage this thread by asking a totally fresh question and putting a whole new spin on the subject:

Whose fault was it that it didn't come out in 1967?
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2009, 04:40:19 PM »

I don't think SMiLE! '72 would have made too much of an impact, simply because it didn't have the notoriety it did in 2004 - If it did, it would marginalise the rest of the groups output even more, Brian being the main focus. Would that have lead to better records, though? The only one we'd 'miss' is Holland.
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2009, 06:55:39 PM »

if Carl had put together the Smile tracks, would he have used the finished product of Surf's Up from the Surf's Up album or Brian's demo?

Smile 72 should have waited to be a double EP with Mt. Vernon
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2009, 07:58:55 PM »

I think I can salvage this thread by asking a totally fresh question and putting a whole new spin on the subject:

Whose fault was it that it didn't come out in 1967?

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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2009, 08:10:49 PM »

I think I can salvage this thread by asking a totally fresh question and putting a whole new spin on the subject:

Whose fault was it that it didn't come out in 1967?

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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2009, 08:58:32 PM »

I think I can salvage this thread by asking a totally fresh question and putting a whole new spin on the subject:

Whose fault was it that it didn't come out in 1967?

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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2009, 09:18:24 PM »

what had happened if smile had been released in 1967?
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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2009, 12:09:54 AM »

Muchacho Playero, do  not take offense! I have asked a thousand questions like this and had my nose put out of joint every time at what I thought were 'smart alec' answers. Basically, unless I am missing some hidden irony in your query, this is the single burning question on which the entire existance of this message board seems to hinge. To just come out and ask it so brazenly seems at once unbelievably naiive and startlingly brilliant.

For what it's worth I think it would have been not nearly as commercial a success as pepper, and thus a disappointment for BW. Time would have revealed its brilliant facets undoubtedly, but I wonder if Brian and VDP would have struggled to unify it in a way that would have made it as significant and relevant as Pepper at the time, even though musically it would have been more accomplished imo.

And as for Tony W's counter question of what would've happened had it been released in 72, that is not a dig but a relevant point as the Beach Boys publicly announced plans to release Smile in that year.

Thanks for bringing us together a bit. Esp. the 'unbelievably naïve and startingly brilliant' bit hits the matter on the head. As for the rest of your comment, I think you are basically right. SMiLE '67 would have been acknowledged by the more independently writing rock scribes as a triumph, much as 'Song Cycle' was in reality. But sales would not have been that spectacular. Brian would have been disappointed. And perhaps he'd gone on to travel the same route he did, including depression and drugs (which, IMHO, had a lot more to do with his childhood abuse then the failure of SMiLE '67). Van Dyke Parks was not nearly as dependent on public applause as Brian was. So Van Dyke could in a very humble way accept the lack of commercial success of SC and go on to do his thing. Brian could not do that with his music.

Apart from that, SMiLE was to be released in 1967, 1971/2, and, if I am right, also in 1989 (when someone leaked that first 'complete' boot in Japan. A Landy-supervised SMiLE would have caused many fans the world over to cut off their ears, I am afraid.

SMiLE is in essence a traditional, classical record, well-structured. That is not in alignment with the ways rock went back in 1968/9. Rock went into its 'progressive' phase. Long winded solos, boring pretense, simulating intelligence and education where there was none. And that is why I am convinced that SMiLE 2004 and perhaps the to-be-released SMiLE '67 sessions box set will be listened to long after Woodstock will be forgotten.
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2009, 06:35:58 AM »

Personally I think had it come out in '67, it would be a success, only because there was so much buzz surrounding the record and its high importance. I don't think it would top Sgt. Pepper but it would be around the same height of popularity, then again....who knows?
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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2009, 06:53:28 AM »

Personally I think had it come out in '67, it would be a success, only because there was so much buzz surrounding the record and its high importance. I don't think it would top Sgt. Pepper but it would be around the same height of popularity, then again....who knows?

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