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« on: February 08, 2006, 08:37:35 PM »

alright, i was reading in BW's WIBN My Own Story (I do know the story of how Redwood got together) and Brian was saying he was teaching those guys 4 songs (including Time to Get alone & Darlin), so the question is....what are the other two? I know that in the SS/WH two-fer booklet, it mentions A Thing Or Two being apart of the Redwood sessions if I'm not mistaken. Maybe Here Comes the night as well? that's just a stab in the dark...also, on the following page in that book...it tells a story of working with the Philharmonic and Brian asking Marilyn to get Binaka for all the string players...was this Time to Get Alone sessions?
If you know of any other details of dates/places recorded and good stories, tell me!  Grin
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2006, 08:40:42 PM »

The other song you're after is one that never came out, I think.  I can't remember the exact title at the moment, but I'm pretty sure it has "Maiden" in it.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2006, 09:26:25 PM »

Sunflower Maiden?
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2006, 09:31:05 PM »

Were any of these songs ever recorded/released?
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2006, 09:35:56 PM »

Yes.
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2006, 09:40:31 PM »

Sunflower Maiden?

Yeah.
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2006, 09:43:59 PM »

YAH!
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2006, 10:51:22 PM »


A BDW/VDP collaboration. Never recorded as far as I know. Someone once told me - waaaay before the 2fers came out, 1983 or so -  that "A Thing Or Two" was originally intended for Redwood.
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2006, 05:23:34 AM »

really? awesome.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2006, 06:15:51 AM »

I'd bet you dollars to donuts several of the songs on Wild Honey were originally earmarked for Redwood, at least in Brian's mind, accounting for the change of style.

I asked Van Dyke about "Sunflower Maiden," and he said he'd ask Danny Hutton next time he saw him, but he never got back to me about it. Maybe I'll nag him and see.
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2011, 09:15:57 PM »

I'd bet you dollars to donuts several of the songs on Wild Honey were originally earmarked for Redwood, at least in Brian's mind, accounting for the change of style.

I asked Van Dyke about "Sunflower Maiden," and he said he'd ask Danny Hutton next time he saw him, but he never got back to me about it. Maybe I'll nag him and see.
Isn't it strange how the songs intended for Redwood are back-to-basic (Darlin' & assuming other Wild Honey material), but Time to Get Alone, the major song recorded and later released is more of a big production and in some ways, Smile like?
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2011, 10:11:04 PM »

I highly doubt Brian was forced out crying by big bullies Mike and Al. The Wild Honey sessions were quite joyus.
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2011, 10:21:02 PM »

Al? He's less than 5-5, he's probably never bullied a person in his life lol Grin
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2011, 10:32:19 PM »

Al? He's less than 5-5, he's probably never bullied a person in his life lol Grin
Maybe D. Marks  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2011, 08:15:24 PM »

I highly doubt Brian was forced out crying by big bullies Mike and Al. The Wild Honey sessions were quite joyus.
i thought i read where it was Mike and Carl...or maybe I'm confusing that with later (a lot later) years.
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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2011, 03:05:12 PM »

I highly doubt Brian was forced out crying by big bullies Mike and Al. The Wild Honey sessions were quite joyus.


I, for one, believe Brian was bullied and forced out crying.  Why would the member of 3 Dog Night make that story up?  He told it years after it happened, and he had no axe to grind, seeing as the group made it big on their own.  In fact, they probably had a much better career on their own than they would have had with Brian's help.

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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2011, 03:28:33 PM »

I highly doubt Brian was forced out crying by big bullies Mike and Al. The Wild Honey sessions were quite joyus.


I, for one, believe Brian was bullied and forced out crying.  Why would the member of 3 Dog Night make that story up?  He told it years after it happened, and he had no axe to grind, seeing as the group made it big on their own.  In fact, they probably had a much better career on their own than they would have had with Brian's help.

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The only source for this is is a recent autobiography (Wells or Negron, I forget which), and I find it odd that in the intervening 40-odd years, the usually loquacious Danny Hutton never said a single word about any such incident.
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2011, 04:01:53 PM »

I don't think that's the kind of story that I would tell about my friend to reporters, though, so I can understand Danny not mentioning it.
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2011, 04:02:54 PM »

I highly doubt Brian was forced out crying by big bullies Mike and Al. The Wild Honey sessions were quite joyus.




I, for one, believe Brian was bullied and forced out crying.  Why would the member of 3 Dog Night make that story up?  He told it years after it happened, and he had no axe to grind, seeing as the group made it big on their own.  In fact, they probably had a much better career on their own than they would have had with Brian's help.

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The only source for this is is a recent autobiography (Wells or Negron, I forget which), and I find it odd that in the intervening 40-odd years, the usually loquacious Danny Hutton never said a single word about any such incident.

It was Chuck Negron.
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2011, 04:19:24 PM »

It's bull.
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2011, 04:52:43 PM »

Redwood wanted to record an album but Brian only signed them for singles.

Negron supposed knew what all was said while admitting he couldn't hear what was said.

Brian "borrowed" a BBs' track and let Redwood record vocals for it.
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2011, 05:19:54 PM »

In the Brian Wilson: Songwriter DVD, Hutton says that Mike was pissed when he found out that Redwood were recording Darlin' (and that he understood him being upset).  Danny suggests that the lyrics were written for him, as he was always calling people "Darlin'."  But didn't Mike write the lyrics?
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2011, 06:28:58 PM »

I think Brian was attracted to Redwood because Lake Arrowhead is redwood country. Just guessin'.
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2011, 06:57:58 PM »

what if Brian had used Redwood to finish SMiLE
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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2011, 07:22:28 PM »

I think that Brian's envisioning of the album as a Beach Boys album from the start (one that would fool Mike & Murry & all else who thought along square lines) and his sticking to that perfect vision prevent such questions from even being considered.

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