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While in many ways, they sound like the opposite of the Beach Boys in every way (often raw, unpolished recordings; general emphasis on lyrics over melody or arrangements, NYC vs. LA, etc.), I gravitated toward VU at the same time I did the Beach Boys -- the mid-to-late '90s. And, amusingly enough, Thurston Moore says he also lumped them together (although a long time before I did).
I think Lou Reed is one of America's greatest rock/pop songwriters, and love not only almost all of VU's material, but several of his own albums over the years, such as Transformer, Berlin, New York and Ecstasy. (My favorite VU album, I admit while acknowledging the heresy, it probably Loaded, and specifically the Fully Loaded edition, which includes the Ride Into The Sun outtake from that era).
What does everyone else think?
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I agree with you on everything, especially on the fact that Sister Ray is their best song.
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Quote from: Ian, Cpt. Howdy on December 26, 2005, 12:28:14 PM
I agree with you on everything, especially on the fact that Sister Ray is their best song.
OK, we're not having THAT discussion again.
The five songs that most blatantly stand out as far superior to Sister Ray:
Ride Into the Sun (outtake, mentioned above)
Sunday Morning (ah, the celeste...)
I'm Waiting For My Man (my favorite, a great, heavy rocking tune)
Candy Says
Pale Blue Eyes
and, just for good measure: Sweet Jane, Who Loves the Sun, WHite Light/White Heat and Beginning to See The Light. And the Ocean.
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HAHA!
You forgot Venus In Furs, I'll Be Your Mirror, Femme Fatale, All Tomorrow's Parties, Jesus and I Found A Reason.
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I do like the bulk of those far more than Sister Ray, now that you mention it.
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And, by the way, apparently nobody else likes VU much...
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That's just because we've had a few threads. They'll come, let's just keep this thread afloat.
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The Velvets are absolutely essential listening. A cornerstone in the formation of punk, along with Suicide and the New York Dolls. The third album is the best by far. Sure, the first album had Brian Eno's classic comment attached to it, but it doesn't even come close to the third album.
Has anyone here heard the Squeeze album? I heard it the other day (the beauty of bit torrent) and boy did it suck. There should be no conjecture as to who the real genius was in the VU.
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I'm a first two VU albums person, as opposed to a last two.
I love the third, but it's too toned down in a reactionary way, and it inspired too many morons like REM.
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Quote from: Ian, Cpt. Howdy on December 26, 2005, 01:08:57 PM
I love the third, but it's too toned down in a reactionary way, and it inspired too many morons like REM.
Cpt. Howdy, two big hits in one day. Very amusing.
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Quote from: Ian, Cpt. Howdy on December 26, 2005, 01:08:57 PM
I love the third, but it's too toned down in a reactionary way, and it inspired too many morons like REM.
The third album influenced the awesome, underrated Galaxie 500. That's proof enough for me that it's a great album.
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Quote from: Luther on December 26, 2005, 01:42:14 PM
Quote from: Ian, Cpt. Howdy on December 26, 2005, 01:08:57 PM
I love the third, but it's too toned down in a reactionary way, and it inspired too many morons like REM.
Cpt. Howdy, two big hits in one day. Very amusing.
*blows*
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My favorite VU album, I admit while acknowledging the heresy, it probably Loaded, and specifically the Fully Loaded edition
Yup, and yup. Me too. Screw "heresy," its their best album songwriting wise, no question. "Who Loves The Sun," "Sweet Jane," "Rock n' Roll," "Oh! Sweet Nothin,'" "New Age," "Hold Your Head Up High," "Train Round The Bend," the gorgeous gorgeous "I Found A Reason" -- hoo boy. That's a lineup. And yes, "Ride Into The Sun" is essential as well, a magnificent song that shoulda been on the LP.
My second favorite is probably the first album, but I really rate the "lost album" as well, and the third one, and hell, White Light!
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All four original albums AND the "lost album" are essential, in my opinion. I can't imagine anyone considering him- or herself a well-educated pop fan without having at least absorbed them (if not liked) them.
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Yep, Luther. Good on ya.
Loaded may be their best album songwriting-wise, but that's not necessarily what the VU were about. And any album without Maureen isn't really the VU, as Lou, Sterling and Doug have said.
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While we ask, let's find out what Doug would say about any album without Cale!
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Cale was pretty essential as well, IMO.
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The funny thing is, as much as I appreciate his musical abilities and lineage, I never really liked much of what Cale did on his own. Reed, on the other hand...
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The funny thing is, as much as I appreciate his musical abilities and lineage, I never really liked much of what Cale did on his own. Reed, on the other hand...
Same here, with the exceptions of Paris 1919 and Vintage Violence. Reed cleans him out though. Cale has nothing like Berlin or Magic And Loss in him.
What a great producer is Cale, though! Patti, Stooges, Modern Lovers etc.
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Agreed to all...except Vintage Violence, which I put right near the rest of his solo stuff other than Paris 1919 (which I do like).
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Quote from: Luther on December 26, 2005, 03:58:49 PM
The funny thing is, as much as I appreciate his musical abilities and lineage, I never really liked much of what Cale did on his own. Reed, on the other hand...
Listen to the Brian Eno/Cale collaborations.
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Quote from: Luther on December 26, 2005, 03:58:49 PM
The funny thing is, as much as I appreciate his musical abilities and lineage, I never really liked much of what Cale did on his own. Reed, on the other hand...
Listen to the Brian Eno/Cale collaborations.
I have. Not a fan.
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Quote from: Luther on December 26, 2005, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: Jason on December 26, 2005, 04:12:57 PM
Quote from: Luther on December 26, 2005, 03:58:49 PM
The funny thing is, as much as I appreciate his musical abilities and lineage, I never really liked much of what Cale did on his own. Reed, on the other hand...
Listen to the Brian Eno/Cale collaborations.
I have. Not a fan.
Me either, unfortunately. And I'm a big Eno guy. His stuff with Fripp and Byrne is far superior to my ears.
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I'm not an Eno guy at all. If I were feeling more sarcastic at the time, my response would've been "two wrongs dont make a right." But I'd hate to have anyone talk about what I may or may not be b!owing...
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