Odd "Heroes And Villains" sections??

[TheLazenby]

What out-of-the-ordinary sections have you heard in fan reconstructions of Heroes And Villains, and where in the song did they occur?

I heard of one that put the 'intro' from the boxed set after "You're under arrest!"  That actually sounded like a pretty good idea... sort of like a madcap Keystone Cops-type chase in the middle of the song.

[I. Spaceman]

I heard one that placed the entire album internally inside H&V. Little sections between each track, framed by the acetate up to Cantina, then Sunny down at the finale. Way cool.

[TheLazenby]

That sounds like it would work... I'll try to track that one down.

I take back my thought that inserting "Fire" would sound cool... I just stuck "Heroes And Villains Intro" after 'you're under arrest', and it sounds horrible there!

[Evenreven]

No way, man! I've done that and it sounds groovy. The "bag of tricks" version sounds even better in there.

[Rocker]

Yeah I also did that at one time. I think it sounds quite good.
BTW I always tried to use the "horn intro" (which you hear as as link between "aum-di-di-wa-da" and the starting of the actual "H&V" on BWPS) as a "intro" to "Surf's Up". I think that sounds cool...

[DUMB ANGEL]

I've heard a rumor that there is a twelve minute version of Heros and villans out there somewhere. Any truth to this?

[I. Spaceman]

No.
Except for fan edits.

[37!ws]

I know a guy who put together an extended mix that included the silly laugh from "She's Goin' Bald." He said yeah, it doesn't really belong there, but he thought it was a nice fit...I forgot what section he put that over, but it was an interesting fit...

[Jason]

I've heard a rumor that there is a twelve minute version of Heros and villans out there somewhere. Any truth to this?

What is this, 1990?

[Reverend Joshua Sloane]

That 12 minute stuff is damn exciting to the SMiLE new fan.

At that early stage you're not aware that it's just tons of sections broken up that could potentially equal around 12 minutes. It sounds like it would be something else.

[Evenreven]

I've heard a rumor that there is a twelve minute version of Heros and villans out there somewhere. Any truth to this?

What is this, 1990?

Oh, you old-timer, you.

Dumb Angel, we were all new once, don't get discouraged. 

[TheLazenby]

I'd love to hear a 12-minute "Heroes", if it wasn't just all a bunch of random segments taped together (like the 10-minute variations on bootlegs). 

How is that 15-minute "Good Vibrations" on the one Smile mix?? 

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

I'm more of a fan of the 45 second H&V.

[Evenreven]

Is that the one ending with "in the town of the heroes and aah aah aah aah aah aah aah aah aaaaaah"?

[buddhahat]

I heard one that placed the entire album internally inside H&V. Little sections between each track, framed by the acetate up to Cantina, then Sunny down at the finale. Way cool.

This sounds like a great idea. I have been wondering recently, is the H & V sections on The GV Box something that was put together separately from Brian? I.e. all the extraneous H & V stuff put together by an engineer specifically for the boxset without Brian's input or what? I thought I had read this but I can't find the boxset book where it probably mentions it at the moment. I'm curious as I'm trying to sequence my own Smile mix and it always bugs me as to where put the H & V sections. If it's just a compilation of fragments then it would make sense for me to just scatter them throughout ...

[I. Spaceman]

I heard one that placed the entire album internally inside H&V. Little sections between each track, framed by the acetate up to Cantina, then Sunny down at the finale. Way cool.

This sounds like a great idea. I have been wondering recently, is the H & V sections on The GV Box something that was put together separately from Brian? I.e. all the extraneous H & V stuff put together by an engineer specifically for the boxset without Brian's input or what? I thought I had read this but I can't find the boxset book where it probably mentions it at the moment. I'm curious as I'm trying to sequence my own Smile mix and it always bugs me as to where put the H & V sections. If it's just a compilation of fragments then it would make sense for me to just scatter them throughout ...

A big chunk of the H&V sections track was indeed sequenced by BW on acetate in 67. From the Gee section continuing about 3 and a half minutes. Linett included this in proper order inside the bigg track which he compiled, originally for the mooted SMiLE release in 1988, then refined it for the box.

[buddhahat]

Hey this is great to know - thanks a lot.

Ian - you seem to be pretty clued up about this stuff. What's your opinion on the Can't Wait too long snippet that has the accapella intro, then the handclaps and the ooh ooh bit? It was talked about a bit in the Alan Boyd thread. To me it sounds totally Smile-era and feels like an earlier conception of the other CWTL stuff available.

[I. Spaceman]

Unfortunately I have no info on that to share, but I agree that it most likely is the earliest CWTL recording. A demo, to my ears.
It sounds more in the post SMiLEY back to the piano compositional mode of Honey to my ears, but I hear a lot of modal SMiLE tendencies as well. The song is a perfect meld of the dizzying SMiLE sound-movement-collage style and Honey's simpler and earthier R&B-pop tendencies.

[Jason]

Hey this is great to know - thanks a lot.

Ian - you seem to be pretty clued up about this stuff. What's your opinion on the Can't Wait too long snippet that has the accapella intro, then the handclaps and the ooh ooh bit? It was talked about a bit in the Alan Boyd thread. To me it sounds totally Smile-era and feels like an earlier conception of the other CWTL stuff available.

That is actually a BW acetate of work done on the song during the Wild Honey era.

[I. Spaceman]

Seems like a pretty early acetate.

[Jason]

VERY early, my friend. November or December 1967. A lot of the important sections were actually cut during the Friends era.

[buddhahat]

That is actually a BW acetate of work done on the song during the Wild Honey era.

Are you sure about this? I was so convinced it was Smile stuff, I feel disappointed! It just sounds so fresh and natural. The ooh bits remind me of barnyard - I've put it in my Smile mix and it's one of my favourite bits!

[Jason]

Can't Wait Too Long was tracked on and off between November 1967 and June 1968, during Wild Honey and Friends. It is NOT a Smile track.

[I. Spaceman]

Yeah, DEFINITELY not SMiLE. It has far too much of a piano rockin' groove to be from the SMiLE period of creativity.
The Friends-era CWTL stuff sounds more SMiLE-y and modular. Great stuff, in any form.

[buddhahat]

Thanks for clearing it up. I knew CWTL was a post smile track but I'd always wondered if this segment was an early prototype that was recorded during Smile. Anyway I believe you - it's such a beautiful vocal bit though do you not think? Makes me wonder why he didn't use it for the more polished recording.