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« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2014, 01:19:02 PM »

As much as I love The Beach Boys for their music, they are definitely not experts when it comes to comedy. But, then again, not too many bands are. The Beatles were quite unique in being genuinely funny.

Luckily they didn't do "Bugged" or "I'm trapped in a microphone" or "She's Goin' Bald" or "Monster Mash" or some of the other "dadaist"  Roll Eyes classics in concert. 

huh?
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« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2014, 01:24:15 PM »

Oh they did do that high brow dadaist classic "Monster Mash" in concert?
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« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2014, 01:28:00 PM »

Smile Brian specifically referred to the Smile tapes when referring to the "dadaist" "surreal" humor. Didn't realize that Monster Mash was apart of the Smile Sessions Roll Eyes
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« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2014, 01:37:16 PM »

Smile Brian specifically referred to the Smile tapes when referring to the "dadaist" "surreal" humor. Didn't realize that Monster Mash was apart of the Smile Sessions Roll Eyes

My apologies Smile Brian. We will just disagree on how high or low brow or dadaist the SMiLE humor was/is.

Brian and the Boys recorded humor had a lot of sympatico with the Pickle Bros imo so it does not seem like a mystery to me how they ended up with BRI.
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« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2014, 01:48:39 PM »

You are seriously arguing for the pickle brothers? Its an unfunny and very dated act  that Mike Love signed to brother records. Funny how Mike was such a judge of talent with not letting BW produce three dog night for brother. Roll Eyes


The pickle brothers is blue collar hawthorne comedy material that BW grew out of by 1967. BW was experimenting with humor on smile sessions in different ways than the pickle brothers.
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« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2014, 01:56:30 PM »

By the time Smile came around I think Brian's humor was a bit more advanced from their earlier forays, it fell more in line with the ideas that Smile expressed: an abstract look at the world.

Take for instance the "falling into the french horn" or "I'm stuck between the C and the C sharp" or falling into the Mic....fairly surreal ways of looking at the world. Or the workshop clip where someone yells "oooowww!" - which actually made me laugh (which stems, apparently, from the rebuilding of a city after the fire). I'm definitely not saying that this humor is grounded in some sort of genius, but it is a bit more surreal and abstract than whatever the hell the pickle brothers were on about in those clips posted earlier.
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« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2014, 02:19:47 PM »

Smile Brian specifically referred to the Smile tapes when referring to the "dadaist" "surreal" humor. Didn't realize that Monster Mash was apart of the Smile Sessions Roll Eyes

My apologies Smile Brian. We will just disagree on how high or low brow or dadaist the SMiLE humor was/is.

Brian and the Boys recorded humor had a lot of sympatico with the Pickle Bros imo so it does not seem like a mystery to me how they ended up with BRI.

I'm really unclear why you quoted me to make this point.
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« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2014, 02:21:58 PM »

Huh.

Well the guitar's rather well-recorded.
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« Reply #58 on: November 15, 2014, 02:30:18 PM »

I have reviews of almost every BB show that was reviewed in the 60s-90s.  But the files are all put away.  I pulled out a few.  I think their first appearance with the BBs (as the Uncalled For Three) was at Fordham and their act was considered so inappropriate for the conservative Catholic college that they pulled the plug on them after the first show and they didn't open for the BBs at the second one.  They appeared with them at NCC (Nassau Community College) on May 8, 1966 and the reviewer felt they were hilarious.  They did imitations of Ed Sullivan and Johnny Carson, etc, etc.   
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« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2014, 02:47:47 PM »

Smile Brian specifically referred to the Smile tapes when referring to the "dadaist" "surreal" humor. Didn't realize that Monster Mash was apart of the Smile Sessions Roll Eyes

My apologies Smile Brian. We will just disagree on how high or low brow or dadaist the SMiLE humor was/is.

Brian and the Boys recorded humor had a lot of sympatico with the Pickle Bros imo so it does not seem like a mystery to me how they ended up with BRI.

I'm really unclear why you quoted me to make this point.

Quoted you?

Oh, you don't mean this quote, the earlier one. Why not?
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« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2014, 03:06:59 PM »

As much as I love The Beach Boys for their music, they are definitely not experts when it comes to comedy. But, then again, not too many bands are. The Beatles were quite unique in being genuinely funny.

Luckily they didn't do "Bugged" or "I'm trapped in a microphone" or "She's Goin' Bald" or "Monster Mash" or some of the other "dadaist"  Roll Eyes classics in concert. 

Because it had nothing to do with anything I said whatsoever.
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« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2014, 03:15:24 PM »

As much as I love The Beach Boys for their music, they are definitely not experts when it comes to comedy. But, then again, not too many bands are. The Beatles were quite unique in being genuinely funny.

Luckily they didn't do "Bugged" or "I'm trapped in a microphone" or "She's Goin' Bald" or "Monster Mash" or some of the other "dadaist"  Roll Eyes classics in concert. 

Because it had nothing to do with anything I said whatsoever.

That must be the comedy part?
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« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2014, 03:24:41 PM »

Hahaha true, Guitarfool Grin

The inspiration from Arthur Koestler definitely left it's fingerprint on the Beach Boy records (whether it was successful or not). 'Cassius Love vs Sonny Wilson', 'Our Favorite Recording Sessions', etc, right on up to the Smile Sessions....Brian had a genuine philosophical interest in making people laugh. I really don't see how Brian's humor fits in with what The Legendary Flood posted (especially the Smile Session era tracks), but to each his own I suppose....

Thought the Pickle Bros was a Mike indulgence? Didn't be produce the track posted by be Legendary Flood, above?
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« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2014, 04:07:57 PM »

Hahaha true, Guitarfool Grin

The inspiration from Arthur Koestler definitely left it's fingerprint on the Beach Boy records (whether it was successful or not). 'Cassius Love vs Sonny Wilson', 'Our Favorite Recording Sessions', etc, right on up to the Smile Sessions....Brian had a genuine philosophical interest in making people laugh. I really don't see how Brian's humor fits in with what The Legendary Flood posted (especially the Smile Session era tracks), but to each his own I suppose....

Thought the Pickle Bros was a Mike indulgence? Didn't be produce the track posted by be Legendary Flood, above?

Yes he did. Someone, earlier, compared Brian's humor to the pickle brothers, I was merely pointing out the differences.
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« Reply #64 on: November 15, 2014, 04:14:28 PM »

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« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2014, 04:52:40 PM »

As much as I love The Beach Boys for their music, they are definitely not experts when it comes to comedy. But, then again, not too many bands are. The Beatles were quite unique in being genuinely funny.

Luckily they didn't do "Bugged" or "I'm trapped in a microphone" or "She's Goin' Bald" or "Monster Mash" or some of the other "dadaist"  Roll Eyes classics in concert. 

Because it had nothing to do with anything I said whatsoever.

I was agreeing with you that they were not expert at comedy and extending the point.
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« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2014, 06:14:04 PM »

Hmmm...I played this, and the stray dog I feed left in disgust...and it's freezing outside.
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« Reply #67 on: November 15, 2014, 07:16:46 PM »

Hmmm...I played this, and the stray dog I feed left in disgust...and it's freezing outside.

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« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2014, 07:39:23 PM »

Hmmm...I played this, and the stray dog I feed left in disgust...and it's freezing outside.

 LOL

...was it named Wrinkles?
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« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2014, 07:42:51 PM »

Hmmm...I played this, and the stray dog I feed left in disgust...and it's freezing outside.

ahh, Mikie will find another shelter
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« Reply #70 on: November 15, 2014, 09:57:56 PM »

LOL
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« Reply #71 on: November 07, 2016, 12:29:39 PM »

Dusting off this thread for a couple reasons.

First, earlier this year the Pickle Brothers' pilot for their unsold TV series wound up on Youtube -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIcODB6rc6Q

 put up there by Peter Lee from the group. Written (and produced) by Gerald Gardner and Dee Caruso of Monkees fame as noted before, and directed by none other than future Oscar winner William Friedkin. Bouncy theme and incidental music by Quincy Jones. For some reason, neither him nor Billy Friedkin ever mention this credit in interviews.

The executive producer of the pilot, uncredited, was Michael Garrison who also created The Wild Wild West. He died falling down the stairs of his mansion shortly after it was made, apparently one reason the show didn't go into production for a full season.

Of the supporting cast I recognized only the name of Liliane Montevecchi who, as her Wiki page shows, has been in more impressive things than this.  But the Pickles' threads are kinda interesting - look like a Carnaby/Sy Devore blend, or something.

At the same time he put up the pilot Lee self-published this e-book,

https://www.amazon.com/Leave-Laughing-History-Brothers-Brother-ebook/dp/B01CMXT7BA/

which runs 126 pages and costs three bucks. I don't have Kindle so haven't read it and don't know if it covers the Pickles' BBs involvement.
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« Reply #72 on: November 07, 2016, 07:32:50 PM »

You just don't see comedy like that.
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« Reply #73 on: November 07, 2016, 08:47:44 PM »

Via a link at the Youtube page with the Pickle Brothers pilot, I downloaded Peter Lee's book for free. About one-tenth of the book concerns the tours with the BBs. And it also has an interesting appendix, consisting of a list of the various tour dates the comedy trio did with the guys (75 in all, from April '66 to November '68) compiled by the Pickles' Michael Mishlove at the time, with his comments. These mostly are one-word assessments of how the Pickles' part of the show went, but occasionally there are some more interesting things.

For example, when the BBs did Constitution Hall in Washington DC on Nov. 19, 1967, the Daughters Of The American Revolution, which owns the hall, refused to allow the Pickles to go onstage because comedy acts were verboten at the venue.  Somewhere down the line that changed - indeed, the one time I was at Constitution Hall was for a sold-out Aziz Ansari gig.

But one very intriguing thing about the list in Lee's book is that it has quite a number of BBs gigs that don't show up at all in Badman.

The book also has a vivid desciption of an orgy presided over by Dennis at Room 108 of the Holiday Inn in Spokane, Washington on Aug. 23, 1968.  

But the most jaw-dropping moment in the text comes when Lee discusses the Thanksgiving '67 tour with Buffalo Springfield. He says that his fellow Pickle Brother Ron Prince looked over to Bruce, who was sitting next to him, and found him writing lyrics down. At the top of the paper was the title - "I Write The Songs." That would be more than seven years before the time when Bruce was supposed to have written it - and when he was still in the band first time around.  Kinda makes you wonder.

(The Lei'd show is also discussed. It seems to have been the only occasion the Pickles really saw anything of Brian. Lee says that he came to Honolulu with "his wife and brother-in-law."  I can't remember ever having read of Marilyn, Diane and Barbara having a brother.)

The account of the Pickles' pre-BBs career, back on the East Coast, is also of some interest. The trio was still called The Uncalled-Four Three when they did their first shows with the guys in the spring of '66 - the Pickle Brothers name was conjured up by the people who made their TV pilot later on, and they kept it.  But they'd covered the gamut of Village clubs, the Steel Pier in Atlantic City, college dates, had been on bills with Joan Rivers, George Carlin, Woody Allen, Jake Holmes, and a lot of other names who ended up far better known than them.

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« Reply #74 on: November 08, 2016, 07:04:05 AM »

I think the book to compare in terms of tour dates would be Rusten and Stebbins's "In Concert" book. I think they cleaned up a lot of stuff put out there by Badman.
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