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« on: September 23, 2022, 11:59:17 PM »

Thought I'd start a thread for news, thoughts, opinions etc. etc. in relation to this year's forthcoming Carl and the Passions / Holland box set.

To kick things off, any ideas of whether or not the Flames material from the second album would likely form part of this set, or a separate release, or maybe not be released at all?

Also, while I think of it, we'd have to be getting the Sail On Sailor demo tape (writing session?) wouldn't we?
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2022, 12:02:43 AM »

Just noticed the thread started by The Heartical Don on this. Didn't mean to rain on that parade. I searched for Sail On Sailor and nothing relevant turned up, so I thought I was safe starting a new thread.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2022, 02:54:55 AM »

Also a thread I started in April.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,28083.msg677664.html#msg677664
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2022, 09:55:43 AM »

All will be revealed soon.....
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2022, 12:13:00 PM »

Really cool, Mark. Also, regarding the Sail On Sailor demo, I'd sincerely hope that if it's not released fully, because it's deemed too weird or something, then the musical portions of it at least are presented in some form. That'd be extraordinary, as it's a piece of music history, and the holy grail of unreleased TBBs music.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2022, 05:03:37 PM »

Glad to see Mark and Howie popping in...gives us all a boost to help us hang on until the set gets released...

Seconding PetSmile's "think and wish and hope and pray" on SOS. The last truly transcendent anthem from the band really needs as much historical coverage as possible, and that includes at least some portion of the legendary demo.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2022, 08:28:17 PM »

I may have missed something, but is it officially’The ‘Sail On Sailor Box Set’?
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2022, 02:59:22 AM »

Box art here:

https://twitter.com/manzamediaart/status/1574596407796940801?s=21&t=W2aa-9N_D_JdT36CK7qwvw

very exciting!
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2022, 08:17:09 AM »

O M G

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYYvsRePvjc

O M G! Part 2!!!

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/beach-boys-sail-on-sailor-1972-box-set/

Including a full track list!!! *****And just to get yourself fully charged, take a look at CD 5 track 13*****

The Beach Boys, 'Sail on Sailor - 1972,' Six-CD Super Deluxe Edition Track Listing
CD One - 'Carl and the Passions - "So Tough"'
1. "You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone"
2. "Here She Comes"
3. "He Come Down"
4. "Marcella"
5. "Hold on Dear Brother"
6. "Make It Good"
7. "All This Is That"
8. "Cuddle Up"

'Carl and the Passions - "So Tough"' Bonus Tracks (Previously Unreleased)
9. "The Road Not Taken" (demo - previously unreleased)
10. All This Is That" (a Cappella mix - previously unreleased)
11. "He Come Down" (2022 mix - previously unreleased)
12. "You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone" (track and backing vocals)
13. "Marcella" (a Cappella mix - previously unreleased)
14. "Make It Good" (alternate mix with Intro - previously unreleased)
15. "Cuddle Up" (alternate mix - previously unreleased)
16. "Carl and the Passions / Pet Sounds Promo" (1972)

CD Two - 'Holland'
1. "Sail on Sailor"
2. "Steamboat"
3. "California Saga - Big Sur"
4. "California Saga - The Beaks of Eagles"
5. "California Saga - California"
6. "The Trader"
7. "Leaving This Town"
8. "Only With You"
9. "Funky Pretty"

'Mount Vernon and Fairway (A Fairytale)'
By Brian Wilson (Please listen in the dark)
10. "Mount Vernon and Fairway Theme"
11. "I'm the Pied Piper - Instrumental"
12. "Better Get Back in Bed"
13. "Magic Transistor Radio"
14. "I'm the Pied Piper"
15. Radio King Dom"

Holland Bonus Tracks (Previously Unreleased)
16. "We Got Love" (2022 mix - previously unreleased)
17. "Hard Time" (previously unreleased)
18. "Carry Me Home" (previously unreleased)
19. "California Saga - The Beaks of Eagles" (1973 single mix - previously unreleased)
20. "California Saga - California" (1973 single mix)
21. "Sail on Sailor" (track - previously unreleased 2022 mix)
22. "Holland Promo 1" (1973)

CD Three - 'The Beach Boys Live at Carnegie Hall' (Previously Unreleased) November 23, 1972
1st Set
1."Concert Intro: Jack Rieley"
2. "Sloop John B"
3. "You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone"
4. "Leaving This Town"
5. "Darlin'"
6. "Only With You"
7. "Heroes and Villains"
8. "Long Promised Road"
9. "Don't Worry, Baby"
10. "Student Demonstration Time"
11. "I Get Around"

CD Four - 'The Beach Boys Live at Carnegie Hall' (Previously Unreleased) November 23, 1972
2nd Set
1. "Intro to 2nd Set: Jack Rieley"
2. "Marcella"
3. "California Saga - California"
4. "Help Me, Rhonda"
5. "Let the Wind Blow"
6. "Medley: Wonderful / Don't Worry, Bill"
7. "God Only Knows"
8. "Do It Again"
9. "Wouldn’t It Be Nice"
10. "Wild Honey"
11. "Good Vibrations"
12. "California Girls"
13. "Surfin' USA"
14. "Fun Fun Fun"
15. "Jumpin' Jack Flash"

CD Five - 1972 Sessions (Previously Unreleased)
1. "You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone" (a Capella mix - previously unreleased)
2. "Marcella" (track and backing vocals - previously unreleased)
3. "Here She Comes" (session excerpt - previously unreleased)
4. "Here She Comes" (2022 mix - previously unreleased)
5. "He Come Down" (a Cappella section - previously unreleased)
6. "Hold on Dear Brother" (track and backing vocals - previously unreleased)
7. "Steamboat" (track and backing vocals - previously unreleased)
8. "California Saga - California" (track and backing vocals - previously unreleased)
9. "The Trader" (track and backing vocals - previously unreleased)
10. "The Trader" (second section a Cappella - previously unreleased)
11. "Only With You" (alternate mix - previously unreleased)
12. "Funky Pretty" (track and backing vocals - previously unreleased)
13. "Sail On Sailor" (songwriting session - previously unreleased)
14. "Sail On Sailor" (a Cappella mix - previously unreleased)
15. "Out on the Country" (version 1) (previously unreleased)
16. "Out in the Country" (version 2) (previously unreleased)
17. "Oh Sweet Something" (previously unreleased)
18. "Spark in the Dark" (previously unreleased track)
19. "Rooftop Harry" (previously unreleased track)
18. "Body Talk (Grease Job)" (previously unreleased track)
19. "Holland Promo 2" (1973)

CD - 6 Live Bonus Tracks
1. "We Got Love" (Live 1973 - previously unreleased)
2. "California Saga - Big Sur" (Live 1973 - previously unreleased)
3. "Funky Pretty" (Live 1973 - previously unreleased)
4. "The Trader" (Live 1975 - previously unreleased)
5. "Sail on Sailor" (Live 1975 - previously unreleased)
6. "All This Is That" (Live 1993 - previously unreleased)

'Mount Vernon and Fairway (A Fairytale)' (Previously Unreleased)
7. "Fairy Tale Music" (2022 mix - previously unreleased)
8. "Pa Let Her Go Out (Better Get Back in Bed)" (alternate version with intro - previously unreleased)
9. "I'm the Pied Piper" (a Cappella section - previously unreleased)
10. "Radio King Dom" (a Cappella section - previously unreleased)
11. "I'm the Pied Piper" (alternate take spoken section - previously unreleased)
12. "Medley: Mount Vernon and Fairway Theme / A Casual Look" (session excerpt - previously unreleased)

1972 Bonus Tracks (Previously Unreleased)
13. "Little Child (Daddy Dear)" ('Holland' home recording)
14. "Susie Cincinnati" ('Holland' home recording)
15. "Medley: Gimme Some Lovin' / I Need Your Love"

California Saga Trilogy
16. "California Saga - Big Sur"
17. "California Saga - The Beaks of Eagles" (2022 edit - previously unreleased)
18. "California Saga - California"
19. Carry Me Home" (track and backing vocals - previously unreleased)
20. "All This Is That" (a Capella alternate verse - previously unreleased)


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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2022, 09:39:34 AM »

Wow, everything that one could hope for! One small omission, unless I missed it, the single mix of Cuddle Up, unless it's the listed alternate mix. And of course, there's the songwriting session of Sail On Sailor... Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2022, 11:07:13 AM »

I know its lost/recorded over, but man I was really hoping someone found a version of the Carl lead vocal of Sail On Sailor.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2022, 11:16:57 AM »

I know its lost/recorded over, but man I was really hoping someone found a version of the Carl lead vocal of Sail On Sailor.

Yep
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2022, 11:30:50 AM »

Or even more so Drnnis' vocal, likely also lost orvrecorded over
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2022, 01:33:21 PM »

 Ahhh! Ahhh! Ahhh!
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2022, 01:37:56 PM »

Anything on the vinyls that's not on the CDs?
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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2022, 02:00:42 PM »

I know its lost/recorded over, but man I was really hoping someone found a version of the Carl lead vocal of Sail On Sailor.

Only Blondie's lead is on the 16 track and we have never found a rough mix with any other vocal. Its possible all the lead vocal attempts were made at the same session and the decision made to use Blondie's so no roughs of Carl or Dennis would have been made. There aren't any open tracks either which also helps explain why there aren't any other leads on the tape .
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2022, 04:38:34 PM »

Thanks for that info, Mark!
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2022, 08:08:55 PM »

I know its lost/recorded over, but man I was really hoping someone found a version of the Carl lead vocal of Sail On Sailor.

Only Blondie's lead is on the 16 track and we have never found a rough mix with any other vocal. Its possible all the lead vocal attempts were made at the same session and the decision made to use Blondie's so no roughs of Carl or Dennis would have been made. There aren't any open tracks either which also helps explain why there aren't any other leads on the tape .

Desper has posted several times that he has the track with a Carl lead vocal. Then said he didn’t
He deleted “.” all his posts claiming that he had a cassette copy of Carl singing the lead on SOS.

I was really hoping he had it but he has a huge library to keep track of.

But one such claim was quoted and not deleted:

COMMENT to KirkK:  I think you are making my point. I have a physical tape of Carl singing the lead. I know because I recorded the lead on the multitrack, mixed the cassette from that mulittrack, and have had the cassette mix since the House Studio closed in '71. There's no wondering about it. The cassette exists and has existed before the release of SOS on Holland. Now if you compare the a cappella performance of Carl's in a second-by-second comparison with the vocal on the Holland album, they are very close. I never gave it much thought, that is when I heard the finished SOS from Holland, saying to myself that Blondie delivered a performance vary similar to the one I was use to hearing when we worked on SOS during Surf's Up. But with everyone saying that the cassette is Blondie because it sounds like the album, and I know it's Carl because of the period that I've owed the cassette (and because I made it and have lived with it from the beginning of the song) I've made a more complete comparison -- side-by-side -- and found the cassette and the album sounding the same. So, I cannot help but questioning, what gives?
~swd

With respect, I think it's simply that the cassette you have is not what you think it is. Somewhere in the past 47 years, you may have forgotten something, mislabelled something, or otherwise made some sort of mistake that has now lead you to believe this tape is something that it isn't, which consequently has you questioning things that really aren't a matter of debate. The Holland version is Blondie Chaplin, that is not debatable. I know Blondie's voice, as millions of others do. If you are unable to hear his voice and know it is him, just like you cannot hear that it is Carl Wilson singing the version of "4th of July" you attribute to Dennis, then, as much as I sound like a jerk saying this, you just aren't able to tell the Beach Boys' singing voices apart as well as many fans can (sorry that sounded harsh!) I've outlined historical reasons why this recording can't be what you say it is, and if you want to discount those, you're welcome to. But you cannot discount the recording itself. It's not "close" to the Holland version, or "similar" or "sound the same" - it is 100% exactly the same, lead and backing vocals. I've had the same vocals only recording since at least 2012 on my hard drive in lower quality. I'm happy to send it to you privately if you'd like.

Jack's post above was much more eloquent than I have been (thank you Jack!). I am not trying to pick a fight with you - I can't believe I'm arguing online with you, and apologize for being blunt or rude. I respect everything you have done and am extremely grateful for it, but as Jack said, as a passionate Beach Boys fan, I care about accuracy. And you're simply jumping through hoops making mysteries out of things that are not mysteries. The only mystery is why you've come to believe a tape with the final Holland vocals for "Sail On Sailor" is from 1971.

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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2022, 08:39:19 PM »

 Do we know why the version of All This Is That with the sax solo excluded??
 It was on the Sea Of Tunes boot of the same name and is a beautiful track.
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2022, 10:31:23 PM »

It's super awesome we're getting all these new sets but it would be neat to get multiple box sets per year (see The Grateful Dead).  I think it's possible.  We can hope for even more greatness.  🤞🤞
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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2022, 03:46:05 AM »

Listen, if I wake up in the morning and see that my girlfriend bought me a $100,000 car that’s sitting in my driveway, I’m not saying “why didn’t you put tissues in the glove box?”

Do we have to complain about minutiae?
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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2022, 05:51:08 AM »

If that was even a possibility I think it would require the BBs to actually create a website like the promised beach boys central and  make live tapes available to diehard fans by downloading
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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2022, 08:58:35 AM »

Wow!  Shocked This set looks to be everything I've been hoping it would be and more! Can any hardcore collectors clue me in to how much of the unreleased stuff has never circulated? There's plenty of content that I've only read about, and stuff I don't think I've ever even heard of! Another embarrassment of riches for us this holiday season!  Grin What a time to be a Beach Boys fan!
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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2022, 09:34:47 AM »

With everything that’s been going on in this world I feel We Got Love would’ve been a better choice to promote the set and not you need a mess of help the stand alone live
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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2022, 09:41:52 AM »

I don’t dislike “We Got Love”, but it’s one of the weaker tracks from this era.

I think one of the purposes of this set is to awaken new fans (of any age) to how cool and progressive the band was in terms of their look and sound in this era. The live band and its amazing quality during this era is a big part of that story, so the live “Mess of Help” makes perfect sense to me. It covers a lot of bases. It’s a well-liked track from this era, but it’s a slightly harder, and looser live take that lets you know what the band sounded like on stage in 1972, and it's also of extra interest to hardcore fans as a relatively rare live track.
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