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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2022, 10:59:27 PM »

CD 1
CARL AND THE PASSIONS – “SO TOUGH”

1. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
2. Here She Comes
3. He Come Down
4. Marcella
5. Hold On Dear Brother
6. Make It Good
7. All This Is That
8. Cuddle Up

CARL AND THE PASSIONS – “SO TOUGH” BONUS TRACKS (Previously Unreleased)

9. The Road Not Taken (demo – previously unreleased)
10. All This Is That (a Cappella mix – previously unreleased)
11. He Come Down (2022 mix – previously unreleased)
12. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone (track and backing vocals)
13. Marcella (a Cappella mix – previously unreleased)
14. Make It Good (alternate mix with Intro – previously unreleased)
15. Cuddle Up (alternate mix – previously unreleased)
16. Carl and the Passions /Pet Sounds Promo (1972)


CD 2
HOLLAND

1. Sail On Sailor
2. Steamboat
3. California Saga – Big Sur
4. California Saga – The Beaks Of Eagles
5. California Saga – California
6. The Trader
7. Leaving This Town
8. Only With You
9. Funky Pretty

MOUNT VERNON AND FAIRWAY (A FAIRYTALE)
By Brian Wilson
(Please listen in the dark)

10. Mount Vernon And Fairway Theme
11. I’m The Pied Piper – Instrumental
12. Better Get Back In Bed
13. Magic Transistor Radio
14. I’m The Pied Piper
15. Radio King Dom

HOLLAND BONUS TRACKS (Previously Unreleased)

16. We Got Love (2022 mix – previously unreleased)
17. Hard Time (previously unreleased)
18. Carry Me Home (previously unreleased)
19. California Saga – The Beaks Of Eagles (1973 single mix – previously unreleased)
20. California Saga – California (1973 single mix)
21. Sail On Sailor (track – previously unreleased 2022 mix)
22. Holland Promo 1 (1973)


CD 3
THE BEACH BOYS LIVE AT CARNEGIE HALL (Previously Unreleased)
November 23, 1972

1st Set

1. Concert Intro: Jack Rieley
2. Sloop John B
3. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
4. Leaving This Town
5. Darlin’
6. Only With You
7. Heroes and Villains
8. Long Promised Road
9. Don’t Worry, Baby
10. Student Demonstration Time
11. I Get Around

CD 4
THE BEACH BOYS LIVE AT CARNEGIE HALL (Previously Unreleased)
November 23, 1972

2nd Set

1. Intro to 2nd Set: Jack Rieley
2. Marcella
3. California Saga – California
4. Help Me, Rhonda
5. Let The Wind Blow
6. Medley: Wonderful / Don’t Worry, Bill
7. God Only Knows
8. Do It Again
9. Wouldn’t It Be Nice
10. Wild Honey
11. Good Vibrations
12. California Girls
13. Surfin’ USA
14. Fun Fun Fun
15. Jumpin’ Jack Flash


CD 5
1972 SESSIONS (Previously Unreleased)

1. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone (a Capella mix – previously unreleased)
2. Marcella (track and backing vocals – previously unreleased)
3. Here She Comes (session excerpt – previously unreleased)
4. Here She Comes (2022 mix – previously unreleased)
5. He Come Down (a Cappella section – previously unreleased)
6. Hold On Dear Brother (track and backing vocals – previously unreleased)
7. Steamboat (track and backing vocals – previously unreleased)
8. California Saga – California (track and backing vocals – previously unreleased)
9. The Trader (track and backing vocals – previously unreleased)
10. The Trader (second section a Cappella – previously unreleased)
11. Only With You (alternate mix – previously unreleased)
12. Funky Pretty (track and backing vocals – previously unreleased)
13. Sail On Sailor (songwriting session – previously unreleased)
14. Sail On Sailor (a Cappella mix – previously unreleased)
15. Out In The Country (version 1) (previously unreleased)
16. Out In The Country (version 2) (previously unreleased)
17. Oh Sweet Something (previously unreleased)
18. Spark in the Dark (previously unreleased track)
19. Rooftop Harry (previously unreleased track)
18. Body Talk (Grease Job) (previously unreleased track)
19. Holland Promo 2 (1973)


CD 6
LIVE BONUS TRACKS

1. We Got Love (Live 1973 – previously unreleased)
2. California Saga – Big Sur (Live 1973 – previously unreleased)
3. Funky Pretty (Live 1973 – previously unreleased)
4. The Trader (Live 1975 – previously unreleased)
5. Sail On Sailor (Live 1975 – previously unreleased)
6. All This Is That (Live 1993 – previously unreleased)

MOUNT VERNON AND FAIRWAY (A FAIRYTALE) SESSIONS (Previously Unreleased)

7. Fairy Tale Music (2022 mix – previously unreleased)
8. Pa Let Her Go Out (Better Get Back In Bed alternate version with intro – previously unreleased)
9. I’m The Pied Piper (a Cappella section – previously unreleased)
10. Radio King Dom (a Cappella section – previously unreleased)
11. I’m The Pied Piper (alternate take spoken section – previously unreleased)
12. Medley: Mount Vernon and Fairway Theme / A Casual Look (session excerpt – previously unreleased)

1972 BONUS TRACKS (Previously Unreleased)

13. Little Child (Daddy Dear) (Holland home recording)
14. Susie Cincinnati (Holland home recording)
15. Medley: Gimme Some Lovin’ / I Need Your Love

CALIFORNIA SAGA TRILOGY

16. California Saga – Big Sur
17. California Saga – The Beaks of Eagles (2022 edit – previously unreleased)
18. California Saga – California
19. Carry Me Home (track and backing vocals – previously unreleased)
20. All This Is That (a Capella alternate verse – previously unreleased)
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2022, 12:37:04 AM »



Yes!!
As with Carl's "Heroes & Villains", I believe the live version's arrangement had more hit potential. The studio recording has something missing imo.


Bring this set on! Thanks Howie, Mark, Alan and Beach Boys!


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There was a single mix for "Beaks of the Eagles"? Interesting to say the least.


I still hope krabklaw will make a video for "The Trader"  Smiley
I wonder though if someone will do a fan video with the new material and the different promo videos we have of "You need a Mess of Help".
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2022, 01:21:56 AM »

Two disc’s of Carnegie Hall. That’s worth the price alone.

Speaking of which, $66 for 6 discs is great value. I don’t recall the FF set being close to that.
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2022, 06:13:36 AM »

Two disc’s of Carnegie Hall. That’s worth the price alone.

Speaking of which, $66 for 6 discs is great value. I don’t recall the FF set being close to that.

Keep in mind that that website that first showed the stuff was from, I believe, Malaysia. So those prices were converted to USD, and various international retailers can have sometimes weirdly wildly varying prices. I would imagine the eventual price from US retailers will not be precisely that. We should find out shortly.
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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2022, 06:40:10 AM »

The label's "Unboxing" video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYYvsRePvjc
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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2022, 07:05:17 AM »

The Beach Boys announce expansive ‘Sail On Sailor 1972’ box sets





https://themusicuniverse.com/beach-boys-announce-expansive-sail-sailor-1972-box-sets/


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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2022, 07:34:30 AM »

Carry me home on disc 2 and 6 is interesting. Wonder what the difference is?
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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2022, 08:03:59 AM »

Carry me home on disc 2 and 6 is interesting. Wonder what the difference is?

The one on disc 6 is a track plus backing vox mix.
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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2022, 08:09:03 AM »

I’m a little disappointed that the booklet isn’t hardcover.

I wish Amazon would post their links.
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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2022, 09:01:54 AM »

It's pretty miraculous we're getting these deluxe sets as physical sets, and specifically on CD (and not just the vinyl). If having a softcover makes this a bit easier to justify as a release (and also if it means a more sympathetic price tag), I'm all for it.

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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2022, 09:26:02 AM »

Just to reiterate, because the sets are up on the official websites but maybe not Amazon yet, that that $66 USD converted Malaysian price for the 6-CD is not accurate. It appears the list price is $149.98. The prices are on that Malaysian website were/are all over the place, some more similar/accurate than others.

The various iterations are here:

https://shop.thebeachboys.com/collections/sail-on-sailor

As usual, I would expect other retailers including Amazon might have a lower (and likely continually fluctuating) price.
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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2022, 10:36:26 AM »

Another amazing set, thanks to all involved!

Question though: Will we still get the second Flame album?  Any American Spring sessions/outtakes as well?  I can see a digital release for that material.
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Beach Boys to Celebrate Key Era with ‘Sail On Sailor – 1972’ Box Set, Out 11/18 (Preview)


https://rockcellarmagazine.com/the-beach-boys-sail-on-sailor-1972-box-set-archives-preview/


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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2022, 02:20:50 PM »

It's also worth noting, especially for newer fans, that for most of the 90s, you couldn't even get these albums AT ALL, as far as buying a new copy. The Caribou CDs went out of print very quickly, and it wasn't until 2000 that one could even buy CD versions again.

Then we got years of unreleased stuff trickling out, sometimes having to piggyback onto some other concept. The people putting all those releases together did everything they could, but it used to be all they could do to sneak a few early 70s tracks onto the "Hawthorne, CA" set.

The label situation, the BRI situation, the individual members' view of this stuff, and the team in place working on this, have all evolved. It's pretty remarkable.

And now we're getting "Pet Sounds Sessions" level attention to the 1969-1973 material. Mind-blowing. I'm all for analyzing all of this stuff. But a quick perspective check is good specifically when it comes to this, the idea of multi-disc collections of unreleased 70s material.
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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2022, 04:42:59 PM »

Thanks to everyone involved in the making of the set.

I am overjoyed, and cannot wait to hear it and to purchase it.

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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2022, 05:09:38 PM »

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« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2022, 05:20:31 PM »

Interested if any ok had to be given by Jagger/ Richards over the inclusion of Jumpin Jack Flash ‘Live’?

Given the amount of live covers the Stones have done over their time, is the process complicated?

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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2022, 07:03:41 PM »

I wish Amazon would get their ordering set up for the physical sets...
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« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2022, 11:21:15 PM »

It's also worth noting, especially for newer fans, that for most of the 90s, you couldn't even get these albums AT ALL, as far as buying a new copy. The Caribou CDs went out of print very quickly, and it wasn't until 2000 that one could even buy CD versions again.

Nothing in my life will ever top the thrill of finding copies of Sunflower and CATP circa 1989-90. Kids these days have no idea.
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« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2022, 03:32:25 AM »

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« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2022, 06:12:59 AM »

Interested if any ok had to be given by Jagger/ Richards over the inclusion of Jumpin Jack Flash ‘Live’?

Given the amount of live covers the Stones have done over their time, is the process complicated?

Thanks

In terms of audio releases, as long as proper royalties are paid (which of course the label handles) and the song has already been published/copyrighted, no clearances or permissions are needed. Audio releases like this just pay a flat royalty. Where it gets complicated is the rights to put a song into any sort of video/film. There, permission needs to be sought and the owner of the song can ask for any amount they want. A million dollars per second if they want.

So if they had a video/film of the BBs doing the song, then that would become immensely more expensive. Though, in that case they'd only have to pay for the composition, whereas movies that want to use the song *and* the original Stones recording would have two levels of negotiation/payment involved.

This explains why "tribute" albums are plentiful, but putting songs (and even more so original recordings) into movies and TV becomes much more involved. There are more Beatles (or whomever) tribute/covers albums then there are movies and TV shows with Beatles songs in them.

This is why a Beach Boys documentary or concert video/film can also become a costly proposition; the BBs and their various entities own some of the recordings and some of the publishing, but not all. This is one of the reasons something like that "Live at Knebworth 1980" DVD or the 50th Anniversary Tour "Live in Concert" Blu-ray only have partial setlists.
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« Reply #46 on: September 28, 2022, 12:37:41 PM »

It's also worth noting, especially for newer fans, that for most of the 90s, you couldn't even get these albums AT ALL, as far as buying a new copy. The Caribou CDs went out of print very quickly, and it wasn't until 2000 that one could even buy CD versions again.

Nothing in my life will ever top the thrill of finding copies of Sunflower and CATP circa 1989-90. Kids these days have no idea.
Ditto. I remember the store down the street having The Beach Boys in Concert, but the cover was all beat up, and they wanted like $15 for it. Eventually a copy came in at another store, $6, and in VG+ condition.
My copy of Holland had the EP, but no sleeve for it. I think I paid $3 for the album.
Found Surf's Up in a cutout bin around the same time. That record must have been stuck in the back of a warehouse for 20 years!
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« Reply #47 on: September 28, 2022, 04:49:31 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: September 28, 2022, 07:44:23 PM »

Interested if any ok had to be given by Jagger/ Richards over the inclusion of Jumpin Jack Flash ‘Live’?

Given the amount of live covers the Stones have done over their time, is the process complicated?

Thanks

In terms of audio releases, as long as proper royalties are paid (which of course the label handles) and the song has already been published/copyrighted, no clearances or permissions are needed. Audio releases like this just pay a flat royalty. Where it gets complicated is the rights to put a song into any sort of video/film. There, permission needs to be sought and the owner of the song can ask for any amount they want. A million dollars per second if they want.

So if they had a video/film of the BBs doing the song, then that would become immensely more expensive. Though, in that case they'd only have to pay for the composition, whereas movies that want to use the song *and* the original Stones recording would have two levels of negotiation/payment involved.

This explains why "tribute" albums are plentiful, but putting songs (and even more so original recordings) into movies and TV becomes much more involved. There are more Beatles (or whomever) tribute/covers albums then there are movies and TV shows with Beatles songs in them.

This is why a Beach Boys documentary or concert video/film can also become a costly proposition; the BBs and their various entities own some of the recordings and some of the publishing, but not all. This is one of the reasons something like that "Live at Knebworth 1980" DVD or the 50th Anniversary Tour "Live in Concert" Blu-ray only have partial setlists.

Thanks HeyJude. Unlikely to see JJF in any Box Set video promotion then. 😉
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« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2022, 01:59:11 PM »

Interested if any ok had to be given by Jagger/ Richards over the inclusion of Jumpin Jack Flash ‘Live’?

Given the amount of live covers the Stones have done over their time, is the process complicated?

Thanks

In terms of audio releases, as long as proper royalties are paid (which of course the label handles) and the song has already been published/copyrighted, no clearances or permissions are needed. Audio releases like this just pay a flat royalty. Where it gets complicated is the rights to put a song into any sort of video/film. There, permission needs to be sought and the owner of the song can ask for any amount they want. A million dollars per second if they want.

So if they had a video/film of the BBs doing the song, then that would become immensely more expensive. Though, in that case they'd only have to pay for the composition, whereas movies that want to use the song *and* the original Stones recording would have two levels of negotiation/payment involved.

This explains why "tribute" albums are plentiful, but putting songs (and even more so original recordings) into movies and TV becomes much more involved. There are more Beatles (or whomever) tribute/covers albums then there are movies and TV shows with Beatles songs in them.

This is why a Beach Boys documentary or concert video/film can also become a costly proposition; the BBs and their various entities own some of the recordings and some of the publishing, but not all. This is one of the reasons something like that "Live at Knebworth 1980" DVD or the 50th Anniversary Tour "Live in Concert" Blu-ray only have partial setlists.

Thanks HeyJude. Unlikely to see JJF in any Box Set video promotion then. 😉

Gosh, if they actually turned up a pro-shot show from the era with that song, they certainly could try to muster the resources to get all the needed clearances. I'm not up to date on what Stones songs tend to cost to license for film and TV. It *could* be done.
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