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« on: November 29, 2020, 09:02:57 AM »

Looking for some help with this. From the list of singles released up until their last mono single (Cottonfields)...

Non-Album Singles/B-Sides:
"Luau"
"The Lord's Prayer"
"The Little Girl I Once Knew"
"Break Away"
"Celebrate the News"
"You're Welcome"

Unique Mixes/Edits:
"Surfin'" (not sped up)
"In My Room" (sped up)
"Be True to Your School" (new recording)
"Little Saint Nick" (older recording)
"Fun, Fun, Fun" (longer fade, different balance of organ/guitars during breakdown)
"Why Do Fools Fall in Love" (edit at intro)
"Don't Worry Baby" (longer fade)
"Please Let Me Wonder" (longer fade)
"California Girls" (different fade)
"There's No Other (Like My Baby)" (different edit from album)
"Barbara Ann" (no intro/less chatter after)
"Caroline, No" (no dog/train tag)
"Devoted To You" (different edit from album)
"Friends" (album version was stereo/different lead)
"Little Bird"  (album version was stereo)
"Do It Again" (album version was duophonic/no workshop tag)
"Wake the World" (fold-down)
"Bluebirds over the Mountain" (album version was stereo)
"Never Learn Not to Love" (album version was stereo, no gong intro and different fx)
"I Can Hear Music" (fold-down)
"All I Want to Do" (fold-down)
"Add Some Music to Your Day" (promo has no strings)
"Susie Cincinnati" (promo has car sounds at beginning)
"Cottonfields" (new recording)

Same as LP version:
"Surfin' Safari"
"409"
"Ten Little Indians"
"County Fair"
"Surfin' U.S.A."
"Shut Down"
"Surfer Girl"
"Little Deuce Coupe"
"I Get Around"
"When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)"
"She Knows Me Too Well"
"Dance, Dance, Dance"
"The Warmth of the Sun"
"Do You Wanna Dance?"
"Help Me, Rhonda"
"Kiss Me, Baby"
"Let Him Run Wild"
"Girl Don't Tell Me"
"Summer Means New Love"
"Sloop John B"
"You're So Good to Me"
"Wouldn't It Be Nice"
"God Only Knows"
"Good Vibrations"
"Let's Go Away for Awhile"
"Heroes and Villains"
"Gettin Hungry"
"Wild Honey"
"Wind Chimes"
"Darlin'"
"Here Today"
"The Nearest Faraway Place"

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Two questions:

(1) Can anybody help fill in some details on the songs with question marks? "There's No Other (Like My Baby)" and "Devoted To You" are remaining (thanks for help!)?
(2) Are there any mistakes and/or omissions on the list? If so, corrections are welcome.
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2020, 10:15:50 AM »

For sure, “Fun, Fun, Fun” had a longer fade on the single version compared to the album version.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2020, 05:55:53 PM »

Don't Worry Baby has a slightly longer fade and Brian hits a high note during it and it's really cool.

Why Do Fools Fall In Love has a part of the middle of the song put at the beginning.  Not sure why.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2020, 09:57:51 PM »

Just started a thread on a related topic:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,27448.0.html
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2020, 09:25:17 AM »

Thanks GoodVibrations33 and Shane, updated the list in the OP.

Anybody have clarification on the remaining songs?

"Surfin'", "California Girls", "There's No Other (Like My Baby)", "Devoted To You", "Wake the World", "I Can Hear Music", "All I Want to Do", "Add Some Music to Your Day", "Susie Cincinnati"
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2020, 09:47:18 AM »

For "Friends" - the album version was duophonic?  This is the first I've heard of that.  Why would that be?
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2020, 09:49:33 AM »

For "Friends" - the album version was duophonic?  This is the first I've heard of that.  Why would that be?
Whoops! Sorry about that, thanks for catching it. I copy and pasted the parentheses by Do It Again (I guess I meant to edit it to say stereo). Fixed.
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2020, 01:53:14 PM »

Add Some Music (Promo) - no strings
Susie (Promo) - car sounds at the beginning
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2020, 07:13:28 PM »

Just a few notes for the OP in regards to their thorough post:

"Do It Again" 45 mix is missing the workshop sounds at the end.

"I Can Hear Music"/ "All I Want to Do" was released in both mono and stereo. Stereo is a fold.

"Wake the World" is a fold, I'm certain. "Little Bird" is a unique mix though.

"Never Learn Not to Love" is minus the gong intro and has different FX.

"Fun Fun Fun" has a different balance of the organ and guitars during the breakdown.

Great thread, and I hope somebody here can provide an answer regarding the two non-"Barbara Ann" Party sides!
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2020, 04:05:19 AM »

I've long been calling for a CD of all the single versions that differ from the album versions. On compilations you mostly seem to get the album ones and other singles were not successful enough to be on compilations. The use of the single versions of "California Saga", "It's ok", "Rock and Roll Music" and "Here comes the Night" on Best of the Brother Years is one reason why I love that record so much.
I think such a CD could also be a mainstream release as it will have enough well known songs for the casual listener as well as rarities. Plus a whole bunch of good music.
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2020, 06:18:02 AM »

"Here Comes The Night" is on Best Of The Brother Years? Not my copy...
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2020, 07:09:22 AM »

"Here Comes The Night" is on Best Of The Brother Years? Not my copy...


IIRC there were different editions in Europe and the US. I only recently found that out and didn't remember it for the above message, sorry.



http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16436.0.html


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https://www.discogs.com/The-Beach-Boys-The-Best-Of-The-Beach-Boys-1970-1986-The-Brother-Years/release/2211464
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2020, 07:22:18 AM »

Just a few notes for the OP in regards to their thorough post:

"Do It Again" 45 mix is missing the workshop sounds at the end.

"I Can Hear Music"/ "All I Want to Do" was released in both mono and stereo. Stereo is a fold.

"Wake the World" is a fold, I'm certain. "Little Bird" is a unique mix though.

"Never Learn Not to Love" is minus the gong intro and has different FX.

"Fun Fun Fun" has a different balance of the organ and guitars during the breakdown.

Great thread, and I hope somebody here can provide an answer regarding the two non-"Barbara Ann" Party sides!
Terrific, thank you. I'll update the OP.
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2020, 12:04:29 PM »

"Here Comes The Night" is on Best Of The Brother Years? Not my copy...


IIRC there were different editions in Europe and the US. I only recently found that out and didn't remember it for the above message, sorry.



http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16436.0.html

It also appears on disc 6 bonus disc Japan edition ?? of the 1993 box set
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2020, 06:35:44 AM »

"Here Comes The Night" is on Best Of The Brother Years? Not my copy...


IIRC there were different editions in Europe and the US. I only recently found that out and didn't remember it for the above message, sorry.



http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16436.0.html

It also appears on disc 6 bonus disc Japan edition ?? of the 1993 box set

The U.K. edition too, I believe. Strange - was it a big hit in Japan and England?
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2020, 12:24:40 PM »

Certainly, the UK disc 6 was based on songs that had done well.

A check shows in the UK it went to #37 and was on the chart for 8 weeks total - hardly a roaring success, but better than in the US, where it topped out at #44, also with a total of 8 weeks on the chart.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2020, 11:54:26 PM »

I'm surprised it even charted at all.
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2020, 08:47:32 PM »

So there are a few things I can add...

Please Let Me Wonder (mono single version): longer fade, available on The Greatest Hits - Volume 2 and the Japanese US Single Collection
There’s No Other (Like My Baby) (mono single version): edited differently then album version, available on US Single Collection
Devoted To You (mono single version):edited differently then album version, available on US Single Collection
         
There's also some stereo singles that have differences (not counting stuff like the single versions of "California Saga (On My Way to Sunny Californ-i-a)", "Rock 'n Roll Music" and "It's OK" as I assume most on here are very well aware of these):

Cool, Cool Water (single version): much shorter, available on The Warmth of the Sun
Cuddle Up (single version): honestly have no idea what the difference is, but know it because I've studiously kept track of these things and have it in my notes! Only available on You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone / Cuddle Up single.
Lady Lynda (single version): honestly have no idea what the difference is, but know it because I've studiously kept track of these things and have it in my notes! Only available on Lady Lynda / Full Sail single.
Livin’ With a Heartache (single version):honestly have no idea what the difference is, but know it because I've studiously kept track of these things and have it in my notes! Only available on Livin’ With a Heartache / Santa Ana Winds single.

Now if anybody could remind me what is different with the single versions of "Cuddle Up", "Lady Lynda" and "Livin' With a Heartache" I'd love to know cuz I am totally drawing a blank. Whatever the differences, I can't imagine they will ever be reissued any time soon, as I'm pretty sure we are into major trainspotter territory with those.
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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2020, 02:40:09 AM »

In Cuddle Up the guitar and piano are placed in the stereo spectrum differently.  I can only discern this with headphones, but I jumped on the 45 when it was 1st released, and played Cuddle Up to death, and when I heard the lp version I could tell something was different.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2020, 08:14:24 AM »

Thanks Jim V., updated the OP. I think that handles all of the songs on the original list.

I actually recently ordered the Japan US Single Collection set, so when it arrives in a couple weeks it'll be nice to listen and keep an eye (ear?) out for the differences everybody pointed out.
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2020, 08:22:30 AM »

In Cuddle Up the guitar and piano are placed in the stereo spectrum differently.  I can only discern this with headphones, but I jumped on the 45 when it was 1st released, and played Cuddle Up to death, and when I heard the lp version I could tell something was different.



There are also some small differences in the vocals like a harmony vocal by Carl during the second wordless hum after the big build up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iB3CnwylqA
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2020, 09:38:56 AM »

So there are a few things I can add...

Now if anybody could remind me what is different with the single versions of "Cuddle Up", "Lady Lynda" and "Livin' With a Heartache" I'd love to know cuz I am totally drawing a blank. Whatever the differences, I can't imagine they will ever be reissued any time soon, as I'm pretty sure we are into major trainspotter territory with those.

According to the new ESQ, Bruce said the single version of LWAH cuts about a minute out from the album version.
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2020, 02:41:50 AM »

Here Comes The Night (DJ Reservice) 3:18
Sumahama 4:26 (longer fade)
It's Beautiful Day (edited down to 3:15)
Bluebirds (Dutch) more percussive mix (ping pong)
Surfin' Safari (German Ariola) completely different take
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2021, 12:14:48 AM »

I guess maybe it's worth expanding this to not only mono singles, but other single releases. What about these singles in stereo prior to the Brian's Back era, which had different single versions vs their LP recordings?

I Can Hear Music
All I Want to Do
Break Away
Celebrate the News
Add Some Music to Your Day
Susie Cincinnati
Cottonfields
The Nearest Faraway Place
Slip On Through
This Whole World
Tears in the Morning
It's About Time
Cool, Cool Water
Forever
Long Promised Road
Deirdre
'Til I Die
Surf's Up
Don't Go Near the Water
You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone
Cuddle Up
Marcella
Hold On Dear Brother
Sail On, Sailor
Only with You
California Saga: California
Funky Pretty
Child of Winter
Susie Cincinnati
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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2021, 01:33:16 PM »

So there are a few things I can add...

Now if anybody could remind me what is different with the single versions of "Cuddle Up", "Lady Lynda" and "Livin' With a Heartache" I'd love to know cuz I am totally drawing a blank. Whatever the differences, I can't imagine they will ever be reissued any time soon, as I'm pretty sure we are into major trainspotter territory with those.

According to the new ESQ, Bruce said the single version of LWAH cuts about a minute out from the album version.
The last verse is omitted.
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