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« on: March 27, 2020, 12:37:51 AM »

- at the 11:47 mark:

https://youtu.be/3NbQkyvbw18

I think this is the first time any of the guys have been referred to by name in a Dylan tune...unless heís got one still on the cab discussing Mikeís Rockíníroll Hall of Fame remarks....
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2020, 02:35:28 AM »

Apparently, this mention refers to Carl doing backing vocals for the Warren Zevon song "Desperados Under the Eaves", which includes the line "Look away down Gower Avenue"".


https://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=99119&sid=da6942430478eb63a4de87c0ff29fb19&start=50#p1917449
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2020, 03:15:50 AM »

Thanks for pointing out!
Does anyone have the lyrics to this piece? I'd love to read them.



Apparently, this mention refers to Carl doing backing vocals for the Warren Zevon song "Desperados Under the Eaves", which includes the line "Look away down Gower Avenue"".


https://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=99119&sid=da6942430478eb63a4de87c0ff29fb19&start=50#p1917449



For completeness sake here is the song:

Desperados Under the Eaves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXCly4X3cqw
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2020, 04:08:00 AM »

Thanks for pointing out!
Does anyone have the lyrics to this piece? I'd love to read them.


Someone posted the transcribed lyrics here:
https://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=99119&sid=55b97d461bfb22c0a9083bca270b421c&start=75#p1917483

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2020, 04:23:18 AM »

Thanks for pointing out!
Does anyone have the lyrics to this piece? I'd love to read them.


Someone posted the transcribed lyrics here:
https://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=99119&sid=55b97d461bfb22c0a9083bca270b421c&start=75#p1917483




Thank you!
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2020, 09:06:37 AM »

- at the 11:47 mark:

https://youtu.be/3NbQkyvbw18

I think this is the first time any of the guys have been referred to by name in a Dylan tune...unless heís got one still on the cab discussing Mikeís Rockíníroll Hall of Fame remarks....

This is the first time that Carl's name has been namechecked specifically in a song since Chug-a-Lug?
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2020, 12:06:21 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2020, 03:12:45 PM »

Not as audible as on Chug-a-Lug or the new Dylan song, but Bruce mentions "Carl Wilson" during Mike's "tried Al Jardine" lead on the Live in London version of Barbara Ann.

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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2020, 12:47:36 PM »

Rolling Stone Mag article about it all. Surprise appearance of David Marks in the story.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/warren-zevon-carl-wilson-desperados-under-the-eaves-bob-dylan-975771/
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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2020, 01:44:46 PM »

Rolling Stone Mag article about it all. Surprise appearance of David Marks in the story.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/warren-zevon-carl-wilson-desperados-under-the-eaves-bob-dylan-975771/

It's been awhile since I picked up the Marks/Stebbins book, but I recall Dave's connection(s) to Warren Zevon being discussed there.
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2020, 05:04:31 PM »

Does anyone have any opinions as to why Dylan named Carl Wilson in particular in reference to Desperadoes Under the Eaves? Why not Warren Zevon, or any of the other people who sang background vocals on that song?
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2020, 06:43:40 PM »

Iím betting that Dylan is a closet Beach Boys fan, going all the way back to digging their Fillmore set in Ď71.
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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2020, 01:06:11 PM »

Iím betting that Dylan is a closet Beach Boys fan, going all the way back to digging their Fillmore set in Ď71.
Even though his own voice is ragged beyond repair, i'm sure he enjoys those who do have beautiful voices.

Which reminds me of a horrible video about Bob I watched yesterday where the narrator kept talking about Joan Baze.
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2020, 02:50:56 AM »

Iím betting that Dylan is a closet Beach Boys fan, going all the way back to digging their Fillmore set in Ď71.


I'm sure Dylan actually is enjoying the Boys' music. Not too long ago someone mentioned on this board that Dylan played "Goin' on" suring a rehearsal or soundchek in the early 80s, so he probably was following their releases to a degree.

It's been years and years ago and I'm not sure where I read it - maybe on the Dennis Wilson Dreamer messageboard  Huh - but didn't Dylan once refer to the Beach Boys as "Al Jardine's band"? That got stuck in my mind. But maybe someone was making a joke and I just didn't understand. Haven't heard that story since then either.
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2020, 12:23:20 PM »

Does anyone have any opinions as to why Dylan named Carl Wilson in particular in reference to Desperadoes Under the Eaves? Why not Warren Zevon, or any of the other people who sang background vocals on that song?

I assumed he was just referencing Carl's involvement singing background vocals on that particular song.  As far as I know Dylan has never been derogatory when it comes to the Beach Boys.  Their interactions have been limited but Dylan has said some complimentary things about them in the past and then of course there was that time he recorded a song with Brian...
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2020, 06:24:52 PM »

According to Rolling Stone, Dylan and Zevon were friends:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-jfk-references-974147/
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2020, 08:58:10 PM »

Exactly. Hence my question of why he mentioned Carl Wilson instead of Warren Zevon or any of the other people who sang backup on that song. "Murder Most Foul" contains such a large list of musicians that I suppose we'll never truly know why.
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2020, 08:18:14 PM »

And then there's "The Spirit of Rock and Roll."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE8vPvIoyJo
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2020, 11:30:10 PM »

I'm pretty sure Dylan must be pretty fond of the BB's 60s records: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZN3SEgPtg8
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