gfxgfx
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
logo
 
gfx gfx
gfx
672372 Posts in 27076 Topics by 3979 Members - Latest Member: sloopfan3 October 15, 2021, 05:00:00 PM
*
gfx*HomeHelpSearchCalendarLoginRegistergfx
gfxgfx
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.       « previous next »
Pages: [1] Go Down Print
Author Topic: Carl mentioned in new Bob Dylan song  (Read 4442 times)
rn57
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 907


View Profile
« on: March 27, 2020, 12:37:51 AM »

- at the 11:47 mark:

https://youtu.be/3NbQkyvbw18

I think this is the first time any of the guys have been referred to by name in a Dylan tune...unless heís got one still on the cab discussing Mikeís Rockíníroll Hall of Fame remarks....
Logged
Wata
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 2178


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2020, 02:35:28 AM »

Apparently, this mention refers to Carl doing backing vocals for the Warren Zevon song "Desperados Under the Eaves", which includes the line "Look away down Gower Avenue"".


https://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=99119&sid=da6942430478eb63a4de87c0ff29fb19&start=50#p1917449
Logged
Rocker
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 10058


"Too dumb for New York City, too ugly for L.A."


View Profile WWW
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2020, 03:15:50 AM »

Thanks for pointing out!
Does anyone have the lyrics to this piece? I'd love to read them.



Apparently, this mention refers to Carl doing backing vocals for the Warren Zevon song "Desperados Under the Eaves", which includes the line "Look away down Gower Avenue"".


https://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=99119&sid=da6942430478eb63a4de87c0ff29fb19&start=50#p1917449



For completeness sake here is the song:

Desperados Under the Eaves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXCly4X3cqw
Logged

a diseased bunch of mo'fos if there ever was oneÖ their beauty is so awesome that listening to them at their best is like being in some vast dream cathedral decorated with a thousand gleaming American pop culture icons.

- Lester Bangs on The Beach Boys


PRO SHOT BEACH BOYS CONCERTS - LIST


To sum it up, they blew it, they blew it consistently, they continue to blow it, it is tragic and this pathological problem caused The Beach Boys' greatest music to be so underrated by the general public.

- Jack Rieley
Wata
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 2178


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2020, 04:08:00 AM »

Thanks for pointing out!
Does anyone have the lyrics to this piece? I'd love to read them.


Someone posted the transcribed lyrics here:
https://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=99119&sid=55b97d461bfb22c0a9083bca270b421c&start=75#p1917483

Logged
Rocker
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 10058


"Too dumb for New York City, too ugly for L.A."


View Profile WWW
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2020, 04:23:18 AM »

Thanks for pointing out!
Does anyone have the lyrics to this piece? I'd love to read them.


Someone posted the transcribed lyrics here:
https://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=99119&sid=55b97d461bfb22c0a9083bca270b421c&start=75#p1917483




Thank you!
Logged

a diseased bunch of mo'fos if there ever was oneÖ their beauty is so awesome that listening to them at their best is like being in some vast dream cathedral decorated with a thousand gleaming American pop culture icons.

- Lester Bangs on The Beach Boys


PRO SHOT BEACH BOYS CONCERTS - LIST


To sum it up, they blew it, they blew it consistently, they continue to blow it, it is tragic and this pathological problem caused The Beach Boys' greatest music to be so underrated by the general public.

- Jack Rieley
CenturyDeprived
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 5713



View Profile
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2020, 09:06:37 AM »

- at the 11:47 mark:

https://youtu.be/3NbQkyvbw18

I think this is the first time any of the guys have been referred to by name in a Dylan tune...unless heís got one still on the cab discussing Mikeís Rockíníroll Hall of Fame remarks....

This is the first time that Carl's name has been namechecked specifically in a song since Chug-a-Lug?
Amazing
Logged
Emdeeh
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 2819



View Profile
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2020, 12:06:21 PM »

Wow!!
Logged
Custom Machine
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1287



View Profile
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2020, 03:12:45 PM »

Not as audible as on Chug-a-Lug or the new Dylan song, but Bruce mentions "Carl Wilson" during Mike's "tried Al Jardine" lead on the Live in London version of Barbara Ann.

« Last Edit: March 29, 2020, 03:14:40 PM by Custom Machine » Logged
SurfRiderHawaii
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 2473


Add Some Music to your day!


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2020, 12:47:36 PM »

Rolling Stone Mag article about it all. Surprise appearance of David Marks in the story.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/warren-zevon-carl-wilson-desperados-under-the-eaves-bob-dylan-975771/
Logged

"Brian is The Beach Boys. He is the band. We're his f***ing messengers. He is all of it. Period. We're nothing. He's everything" - Dennis Wilson
HeyJude
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9435



View Profile WWW
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2020, 01:44:46 PM »

Rolling Stone Mag article about it all. Surprise appearance of David Marks in the story.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/warren-zevon-carl-wilson-desperados-under-the-eaves-bob-dylan-975771/

It's been awhile since I picked up the Marks/Stebbins book, but I recall Dave's connection(s) to Warren Zevon being discussed there.
Logged

THE BEACH BOYS OPINION PAGE IS ON FACEBOOK!!! http://www.facebook.com/beachboysopinion - Check out the original "BEACH BOYS OPINION PAGE" Blog - http://beachboysopinion.blogspot.com/
patsy6
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 73



View Profile
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2020, 05:04:31 PM »

Does anyone have any opinions as to why Dylan named Carl Wilson in particular in reference to Desperadoes Under the Eaves? Why not Warren Zevon, or any of the other people who sang background vocals on that song?
Logged
Summer_Days
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 733


...and your dream comes true.


View Profile WWW
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2020, 06:43:40 PM »

Iím betting that Dylan is a closet Beach Boys fan, going all the way back to digging their Fillmore set in Ď71.
Logged

Wouldn't it be nice if we were older, then we wouldn't have to wait so long
And wouldn't it be nice to live together, in the kind of world where we belong?
http://wildsmiley.weebly.com
Lonely Summer
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 3705


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2020, 01:06:11 PM »

Iím betting that Dylan is a closet Beach Boys fan, going all the way back to digging their Fillmore set in Ď71.
Even though his own voice is ragged beyond repair, i'm sure he enjoys those who do have beautiful voices.

Which reminds me of a horrible video about Bob I watched yesterday where the narrator kept talking about Joan Baze.
Baze?
Logged
Rocker
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 10058


"Too dumb for New York City, too ugly for L.A."


View Profile WWW
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2020, 02:50:56 AM »

Iím betting that Dylan is a closet Beach Boys fan, going all the way back to digging their Fillmore set in Ď71.


I'm sure Dylan actually is enjoying the Boys' music. Not too long ago someone mentioned on this board that Dylan played "Goin' on" suring a rehearsal or soundchek in the early 80s, so he probably was following their releases to a degree.

It's been years and years ago and I'm not sure where I read it - maybe on the Dennis Wilson Dreamer messageboard  Huh - but didn't Dylan once refer to the Beach Boys as "Al Jardine's band"? That got stuck in my mind. But maybe someone was making a joke and I just didn't understand. Haven't heard that story since then either.
Logged

a diseased bunch of mo'fos if there ever was oneÖ their beauty is so awesome that listening to them at their best is like being in some vast dream cathedral decorated with a thousand gleaming American pop culture icons.

- Lester Bangs on The Beach Boys


PRO SHOT BEACH BOYS CONCERTS - LIST


To sum it up, they blew it, they blew it consistently, they continue to blow it, it is tragic and this pathological problem caused The Beach Boys' greatest music to be so underrated by the general public.

- Jack Rieley
Awesoman
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1649


Disagreements? Work 'em out.


View Profile WWW
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2020, 12:23:20 PM »

Does anyone have any opinions as to why Dylan named Carl Wilson in particular in reference to Desperadoes Under the Eaves? Why not Warren Zevon, or any of the other people who sang background vocals on that song?

I assumed he was just referencing Carl's involvement singing background vocals on that particular song.  As far as I know Dylan has never been derogatory when it comes to the Beach Boys.  Their interactions have been limited but Dylan has said some complimentary things about them in the past and then of course there was that time he recorded a song with Brian...
Logged

And if you don't know where you're going
Any road will take you there
Emdeeh
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 2819



View Profile
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2020, 06:24:52 PM »

According to Rolling Stone, Dylan and Zevon were friends:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-jfk-references-974147/
Logged
patsy6
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 73



View Profile
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2020, 08:58:10 PM »

Exactly. Hence my question of why he mentioned Carl Wilson instead of Warren Zevon or any of the other people who sang backup on that song. "Murder Most Foul" contains such a large list of musicians that I suppose we'll never truly know why.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2020, 09:02:00 PM by patsy6 » Logged
Aum Bop Diddit
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 666



View Profile
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2020, 08:18:14 PM »

And then there's "The Spirit of Rock and Roll."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE8vPvIoyJo
Logged

Hey!  Those are *MY* wind chimes!
phirnis
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 2565



View Profile
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2020, 11:30:10 PM »

I'm pretty sure Dylan must be pretty fond of the BB's 60s records: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZN3SEgPtg8
Logged
Conspiracy Jim
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 14


View Profile
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2020, 03:45:51 AM »

- at the 11:47 mark:

https://youtu.be/3NbQkyvbw18

I think this is the first time any of the guys have been referred to by name in a Dylan tune...unless heís got one still on the cab discussing Mikeís Rockíníroll Hall of Fame remarks....

This is the first time that Carl's name has been namechecked specifically in a song since Chug-a-Lug?
Amazing

The song I Love My Car by Belle & Sebastian has a line about 'I love my Carl' along with Brian, Dennis and Al, and the kiss-off 'I could even find it in my heart to love Mike Love'.
Logged
c-man
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4898


View Profile WWW
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2020, 06:41:53 PM »

And then there's "The Spirit of Rock and Roll."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE8vPvIoyJo

Dylan's vocal on which, hilariously, one reviewer assumed was Landy!!
Logged
The 4th Wilson Bro.
Smiley Smile Associate
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 222


View Profile
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2020, 09:52:32 AM »

Iím betting that Dylan is a closet Beach Boys fan, going all the way back to digging their Fillmore set in Ď71.
Even though his own voice is ragged beyond repair, i'm sure he enjoys those who do have beautiful voices.

Which reminds me of a horrible video about Bob I watched yesterday where the narrator kept talking about Joan Baze.
Baze?

Dyan is, of course, a very talented writer. But the man's voice makes a yowling tomcat sound like a Mama Cass ballad in comparison. And he could not have picked a more beautiful voice to enjoy than that of Carl Wilson.
Logged
gfx
Pages: [1] Go Up Print 
gfx
Jump to:  
gfx
Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Page created in 0.926 seconds with 21 queries.
Helios Multi design by Bloc
gfx
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!