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« Reply #2625 on: November 25, 2020, 05:35:39 PM »

I just did another interview for the project with Brian on Friday.
Brian knows all about Feel Flows.

Good to hear, Howie. I figure Brian's response to the FF question is just another of his put-ons.

It'll all make for a great article down the road apiece: "Hitch-hiking with Godot: The FEEL FLOWS Story"...  3D

The shaker on "All I Wanna Do" is kinda like the cowbell on "Slip On Through" - the source instrument was not used in a way that is typical, before or since. The cowbell on "Slip On Through" brings to mind the sound of rhythmic crickets or grasshoppers IMO. Which is tbh a genius production move from Dennis, considering the lyrical content ... puts one in mind of the "place" the song inhabits occurring late at night, and also implies the protagonist waiting impatiently for some type of response from the subject of his affections.

Stephen Desper called it "the big cricket." I'm curious about its genesis...is it on the track from the get-go or was it added later in the production process?
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« Reply #2626 on: November 25, 2020, 06:04:33 PM »


Stephen Desper called it "the big cricket." I'm curious about its genesis...is it on the track from the get-go or was it added later in the production process?

It was added later...but, there is also a cowbell on the original, previously unreleased track recorded at Gold Star three months or so before the final version.
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« Reply #2627 on: November 25, 2020, 07:44:48 PM »

I remember being at a live Q&A with Brian where he said he'd never heard POB before. I think it's kinda cool that whoever is typing for him is writing exactly what he says.

In his book a few years ago, he explained that he definitely heard *the material* on Pacific Ocean Blue, because he had heard it in various incarnations and evolutions over the years that Dennis was working on it. Basically, he just never sat down and *listened to* POB.
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« Reply #2628 on: November 25, 2020, 09:12:22 PM »

I remember being at a live Q&A with Brian where he said he'd never heard POB before. I think it's kinda cool that whoever is typing for him is writing exactly what he says.

In his book a few years ago, he explained that he definitely heard *the material* on Pacific Ocean Blue, because he had heard it in various incarnations and evolutions over the years that Dennis was working on it. Basically, he just never sat down and *listened to* POB.

That's plausible.
Let's face it.    It's neither the end of the world nor really all that surprising if Brian never sat down and spent 40 straight minutes listening to POB.   We're fans. They're not.  It's a job for them.  Maybe Brian is going to listen to a Rubber Soul or a Spector Christmas album all the way through because he's a fan.  But was Denny's music really his cup of tea?  And it wouldn't surprise me if there were some BB albums that Denny never listened to all the way through.  Ditto Mike Love.   Heck, remember that Gold Mine interview from 1992 in which the interviewers complimented ML on the BBs' Capitol two-fer CDs which had been out a full 2 years at that point, and Mike had no idea what they were talking about.  Hadn't seen 'em, hadn't heard of them, didn't care.
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« Reply #2629 on: November 26, 2020, 01:46:52 AM »

Yeah, they did confirm someone else does the typing. Just think it's cool that they write exactly what he says rather than saying no Brian, you do know what Feel Flows is about.

I guess that makes sense that he might never have listened to POB from start to finish. He just talks about what he is comfortable with unless he is really at ease with someone he knows I guess.
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« Reply #2630 on: November 26, 2020, 02:38:30 PM »

I am sure it's a longshot, but I think it would be very cool to have Desper's book included with Feel Flows.
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« Reply #2631 on: November 26, 2020, 03:48:45 PM »

SWD's book... And a vinyl copy of the original matrix mix to vindicate the innovation 50 years ago.
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« Reply #2632 on: November 27, 2020, 03:48:20 PM »

SWD's book... And a vinyl copy of the original matrix mix to vindicate the innovation 50 years ago.

Or, you know, a way to actually listen to it in quad - I'm thinking a 5.1 mix, sans center and bass channels, on BluRay - we all want cool stuff, whether it's even a remote possibility or not is another matter.
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« Reply #2633 on: November 27, 2020, 11:27:47 PM »

And Brian to hand deliver the set directly to me....we値l make lasagna that night 😂
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« Reply #2634 on: November 28, 2020, 06:59:41 AM »

"....we値l make lasagna that night"

plus bring matzo-ball soup
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« Reply #2635 on: November 28, 2020, 11:35:50 AM »

"....we値l make lasagna that night"

plus bring matzo-ball soup
and cheese pizza
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« Reply #2636 on: November 28, 2020, 11:51:09 AM »

with Reddi-Wip
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« Reply #2637 on: November 28, 2020, 01:38:55 PM »

While watching Norbit.
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« Reply #2638 on: November 28, 2020, 02:05:32 PM »

And listening to "Da Doo Ron Ron" now.
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« Reply #2639 on: November 28, 2020, 02:30:09 PM »

and WAIT YOUR goshdarn TURN.
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« Reply #2640 on: November 30, 2020, 09:24:41 AM »

SWD's book... And a vinyl copy of the original matrix mix to vindicate the innovation 50 years ago.

Or, you know, a way to actually listen to it in quad - I'm thinking a 5.1 mix, sans center and bass channels, on BluRay - we all want cool stuff, whether it's even a remote possibility or not is another matter.

The Analogue Productions SACD of both Sunflower and Surf's Up decodes with a surround sound processor to surround sound.  It's not a Desper matrix decoder, and the Desper matrix was not designed to decode into 4.0 (let alone 5.1), but because at the time in both the promotional materials included with the albums and in the press the albums were reported to be quadrophonic compatible, AP put in a surround sound option.  Stephen wasn't happy about it but when he found out why they had done it, he understood even though he didn't really approve.  It's not a discrete 4.0 but it is "surround."
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« Reply #2641 on: November 30, 2020, 09:25:14 AM »

SWD's book... And a vinyl copy of the original matrix mix to vindicate the innovation 50 years ago.

Or, you know, a way to actually listen to it in quad - I'm thinking a 5.1 mix, sans center and bass channels, on BluRay - we all want cool stuff, whether it's even a remote possibility or not is another matter.

The Analogue Productions SACD of both Sunflower and Surf's Up decodes with a surround sound processor to surround sound.  It's not a Desper matrix decoder, and the Desper matrix was not designed to decode into 4.0 (let alone 5.1), but because at the time in both the promotional materials included with the albums and in the press the albums were reported to be quadrophonic compatible, AP put in a surround sound option.  Stephen wasn't happy about it but when he found out why they had done it, he understood even though he didn't really approve.  It's not a discrete 4.0 but it is "surround."
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« Reply #2642 on: November 30, 2020, 09:26:09 AM »

Sorry for the double post
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« Reply #2643 on: November 30, 2020, 10:09:40 AM »

It does seem like quite a shame that Stephen wasn't more involved with the FF set (unless I'm mistaken?). I can only imagine politics are part of that, although maybe there will be some interviews with him. It definitely seems like he became the 7th member of the band at that time.
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« Reply #2644 on: November 30, 2020, 02:40:08 PM »

I assume he was interviewed for the liner notes to the set?  I can稚 imagine why he wouldn稚 be.
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« Reply #2645 on: November 30, 2020, 05:34:11 PM »

SWD's book... And a vinyl copy of the original matrix mix to vindicate the innovation 50 years ago.

Or, you know, a way to actually listen to it in quad - I'm thinking a 5.1 mix, sans center and bass channels, on BluRay - we all want cool stuff, whether it's even a remote possibility or not is another matter.

The Analogue Productions SACD of both Sunflower and Surf's Up decodes with a surround sound processor to surround sound.  It's not a Desper matrix decoder, and the Desper matrix was not designed to decode into 4.0 (let alone 5.1), but because at the time in both the promotional materials included with the albums and in the press the albums were reported to be quadrophonic compatible, AP put in a surround sound option.  Stephen wasn't happy about it but when he found out why they had done it, he understood even though he didn't really approve.  It's not a discrete 4.0 but it is "surround."

I suppose I'll ask then, is there any reason that the output of the quad decode - the proper matrix - could not be released as discrete 4.0?

I had assumed that there would be no technical difficulty with this.
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« Reply #2646 on: November 30, 2020, 06:59:58 PM »

 We致e discussed this before but there are old interviews floating around where Brian discussed listening to POB and liking it.  Why he now claims never to have heard it.,...he痴 younger than that now...
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« Reply #2647 on: November 30, 2020, 07:29:17 PM »

SWD's book... And a vinyl copy of the original matrix mix to vindicate the innovation 50 years ago.

Or, you know, a way to actually listen to it in quad - I'm thinking a 5.1 mix, sans center and bass channels, on BluRay - we all want cool stuff, whether it's even a remote possibility or not is another matter.

The Analogue Productions SACD of both Sunflower and Surf's Up decodes with a surround sound processor to surround sound.  It's not a Desper matrix decoder, and the Desper matrix was not designed to decode into 4.0 (let alone 5.1), but because at the time in both the promotional materials included with the albums and in the press the albums were reported to be quadrophonic compatible, AP put in a surround sound option.  Stephen wasn't happy about it but when he found out why they had done it, he understood even though he didn't really approve.  It's not a discrete 4.0 but it is "surround."

I suppose I'll ask then, is there any reason that the output of the quad decode - the proper matrix - could not be released as discrete 4.0?

I had assumed that there would be no technical difficulty with this.

My understanding - and Stephen should really chime in on this - is that despite press releases saying that Sunflower and Surfs Up were quad encoded/compatible, in fact Stephen痴 matrix was never a 4.0 quad matrix and so can稚 be decoded to a true 4.O by any of the decoding algorithms used then or now.  AP has done the best they can do with what is encoded on the master tapes.  A new matrix would have to be made to get true 賭uad and of course a new discrete 5.1 or 7.1 would be the best course if they want to release a surround mix.  Or they could manufacture lots of Stephen痴 decoder devices and we could hear it the way he intended. 
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« Reply #2648 on: November 30, 2020, 08:06:29 PM »

My understanding is that he, at the time, demonstrated that it was possible to press a vinyl record with the decoded matrix that would play on any stereo phonograph (hence my comment earlier; it's an entirely reasonable item to include in a deluxe boxed set). The record company wasn't interested in the novelty/innovation, and so it went.

I'm going from memory but I recall the "surround" mix was never meant o to be anything beyond stereo (only two speakers necessary), as mentioned above. That's why the unsanctioned 4.0 release on the SACD was not welcomed by SWD. What he has expressed over the years is the desire to see what he (and Carl) created to be released as originally intended.

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« Reply #2649 on: December 02, 2020, 12:26:56 PM »

Well now I'm more confused - and, admittedly, I have not gone to the honored guests thread -

If you can send a signal to 4 speakers, surely you can record that signal (output) and then press that as 4 discrete channels on any medium that stores more than 4 channels.

What am I missing?
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