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« Reply #150 on: December 12, 2019, 11:16:12 PM »

Presumably though a point comes where a judge has to rule that something is uncopyrightable by virtue of not being music.
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« Reply #151 on: December 13, 2019, 02:13:48 AM »

IIRC, the copyright motivation actually resulted from a misunderstanding of the law, which is why most artists (including the Beatles!) did them for a year or two and then stopped. The BBs continued because of fan interest. Seems like fans weren’t interested enough in last year’s for them to continue.

Not according to Mark Linett last year:

"It has a lot to do with 50-year copyright term limit in the U.K. and the E.U. for sound recordings. Back in 2013, some copyright tribunal amended that, and added 20 years to the term. But there was a sort of use-it-or-lose-it provision, which basically said unreleased recordings have to be officially released within 50 years of creation in order to get copyright protection. And I think they did this because in 2012, the first Beatles recordings were starting to fall into the public domain. It happened with the Beach Boys too — the Surfin’ Safari album in that territory is now public domain, because the registration wasn’t retroactive."

But The Beatles and Beach Boys stuff was released

I see these things as copyrighting things like sessions or alternate takes
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« Reply #152 on: December 13, 2019, 02:34:43 AM »

Nothing as of this morning. I have a feeling it'll be out next Friday with the Murray EP.
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« Reply #153 on: December 13, 2019, 02:50:53 AM »

Murry EP?
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« Reply #154 on: December 13, 2019, 02:58:56 AM »

Presumably though a point comes where a judge has to rule that something is uncopyrightable by virtue of not being music.
Exactly. Is "Commonwealth" a "song", or just an impromptu half mumbled piss take of the politics of the day? But then again, it can never hurt to copyright something just for the simple reason that it exists, right?
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« Reply #155 on: December 13, 2019, 03:07:08 AM »

Murry EP?
This one: https://omnivorerecordings.com/product-tag/murry-wilson/
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« Reply #156 on: December 13, 2019, 08:33:28 AM »

While it’s certainly up in the air as far as whether a digital download release will occur in the next 18 days, all chatter and indications seem to suggest a Sunflower/Surf’s Up set of some sort is in the works. It may well be that we only see a physical release, which obviously at this stage wouldn’t be taking place until a few months into the new year.

But what I’m pretty sure of is that the digital copyright extension releases have not been canceled due to “lack of fan interest” or anything of that nature. The digital releases have less overhead and are easier (and often cheaper) for fans to buy, and there are indications a *physical* boxed set is coming at some point, which would suggest a hope on the part of Capitol and/or BRI that there will be *increased* interest in this next release rather than diminished interest.

Going back to last year when the cache of ’68 live shows was released, it was established that BRI has essentially nothing in the vaults as far as live ’69 soundboard/multitrack recordings. So we already knew we weren’t getting the type of multi-tiered digital release that we got for 1968.

The only reason a digital release would need to happen by the end of 2019 is if there still is an assumption that as-yet-unreleased songs need to be protected, *and* there are unreleased song titles recorded in 1969 that are firmly established as hitting 50 years before the end of 2019 (not sure what happens when a song was recorded across 1969 and 1970 for instance). I’d still guess there are a few things recorded in 1969 that are still unreleased. I believe there were ’69 sessions for “I’m Going Your Way”, and some other odds and ends (“Over the Waves”, etc.). It’s true that most ’69 material is either already protected by having come out on “Sunflower”, or other archival releases in the past. “Soulful Old Man Sunshine”, “Loop de Loop”, “Where is She”, and so on, have already been covered.

Who knows. Maybe they want to put the remaining ’69 outtakes on a physical boxed set, and don’t want to make fans double dip by buying a digital download in December and then the physical set. Perhaps BRI will do some weird dump online only onto streaming services of just ’69 odds and ends?

I’m not too concerned by the timing of this stuff. The main concern is whether a BB release can still get bogged down in politics. I mean, *of course* it can and probably usually does. But it seems like in the last 10-20 years, it has mostly been small issues with track selection rather than some huge set being prepped only for a band member to try to cancel the whole thing.

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« Reply #157 on: December 13, 2019, 08:38:31 AM »

Presumably though a point comes where a judge has to rule that something is uncopyrightable by virtue of not being music.
Exactly. Is "Commonwealth" a "song", or just an impromptu half mumbled piss take of the politics of the day? But then again, it can never hurt to copyright something just for the simple reason that it exists, right?

In the case of the "Let It Be" sessions, they did indeed copyright every "song" that appeared in the film. So they copyrighted "Suzy's Parlour" (credited to all four), the off-the-cuff "Jazz Piano Song" (credited to Paul and Ringo), and even Paul's opening piano piece as "Paul's Piano Piece" even though it's Paul trying to sort of riff on Barber's "Adagio for Strings."

All that "Commonwealth/Enoch Powell" jam session stuff certainly is formed enough with enough chord changes and lyrics that it could be copyrighted (and likely will if it's released next year with whatever they're putting out to go along with the Peter Jackson film thing).
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« Reply #158 on: December 13, 2019, 10:01:51 AM »

There wasn't a SMiLE copyright (digital only) release in 2016 or 2017 but we got a huge 5 CD box packed to the 80 minute mark on each disc a few years prior which sounds like what they are planning to do with Feel Flows.  My only gripe with that was hearing of a 6th disc worth of music being dropped from the box (could have been internet rumors).  They could have done a digital release with that extra SMiLE material plus a stereo mix of the album.  But next Friday could still be the day for some 1969 stuff.
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« Reply #159 on: December 13, 2019, 11:42:12 AM »

There wasn't a SMiLE copyright (digital only) release in 2016 or 2017 but we got a huge 5 CD box packed to the 80 minute mark on each disc a few years prior which sounds like what they are planning to do with Feel Flows.  My only gripe with that was hearing of a 6th disc worth of music being dropped from the box (could have been internet rumors).  They could have done a digital release with that extra SMiLE material plus a stereo mix of the album.  But next Friday could still be the day for some 1969 stuff.

Probably wishful thinking on my part, but I'd like to think there will be some sort of supplemental Smile Sessions release in the future.  Mark and Alan did a wonderful job on the 2011 box, and they and Capitol undoubtedly intended it to be the definitive treatment of its subject.   And yet, I, probably like many Smile fans, have never really shed the idea that there's still some unreleased Smile something out there that'd be worth hearing.   And, there's also the lingering fantasy that audio reels from the David Oppenheim film will finally turn up and reveal some missing material.
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« Reply #160 on: December 13, 2019, 11:43:37 AM »

One thing that I really hope they do is get Stephen Desper involved in doing mastering of the full Sunflower and Surf's Up albums as part of this set. I know we all have these albums, but if we can get versions that sound as good as those study videos Mr Desper did, I'd gladly buy them again.
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« Reply #161 on: December 13, 2019, 12:37:47 PM »

There wasn't a SMiLE copyright (digital only) release in 2016 or 2017 but we got a huge 5 CD box packed to the 80 minute mark on each disc a few years prior which sounds like what they are planning to do with Feel Flows.  My only gripe with that was hearing of a 6th disc worth of music being dropped from the box (could have been internet rumors).  They could have done a digital release with that extra SMiLE material plus a stereo mix of the album.  But next Friday could still be the day for some 1969 stuff.

Probably wishful thinking on my part, but I'd like to think there will be some sort of supplemental Smile Sessions release in the future.  Mark and Alan did a wonderful job on the 2011 box, and they and Capitol undoubtedly intended it to be the definitive treatment of its subject.   And yet, I, probably like many Smile fans, have never really shed the idea that there's still some unreleased Smile something out there that'd be worth hearing.   And, there's also the lingering fantasy that audio reels from the David Oppenheim film will finally turn up and reveal some missing material.

Whatever happened to the Durrie Parks acetates on eBay? Been meaning to make a topic on it ..
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« Reply #162 on: December 13, 2019, 01:13:02 PM »

Reddit guy with the info has adjusted post to say NEXT Friday (December 20th) so you can stop checking now lol.
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« Reply #163 on: December 13, 2019, 03:19:38 PM »



The "Feel Flow" set and "On Tour: 1969" are now on Spotify...





it's what I would say if they were on Spotify.  Grin


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« Reply #164 on: December 13, 2019, 06:28:24 PM »

Got me
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« Reply #165 on: December 13, 2019, 06:29:29 PM »

Not I. 3D
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« Reply #166 on: December 13, 2019, 08:03:02 PM »

Knowing "On Tour: 1969" is very unlikely to happen, it didn't get me.


I wish that post were real though....
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« Reply #167 on: December 14, 2019, 03:06:40 AM »



The "Feel Flow" set and "On Tour: 1969" are now on Spotify...





it's what I would say if they were on Spotify.  Grin




https://youtu.be/mDEtCeeSp2k
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« Reply #168 on: December 14, 2019, 07:44:10 AM »

Whatever happened to the Durrie Parks acetates on eBay? Been meaning to make a topic on it ..

They were purchased by a private collector, and are basically unheard other than a tantalizing snippet at the very, very tail end of Wake the World Friends set.
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« Reply #169 on: December 14, 2019, 09:08:39 AM »

Reddit guy with the info has adjusted post to say NEXT Friday (December 20th) so you can stop checking now lol.

He actually adjusted the post to say "fingers crossed" for the 20th so it's still just speculation at this point.
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« Reply #170 on: December 14, 2019, 02:40:25 PM »

Reddit guy with the info has adjusted post to say NEXT Friday (December 20th) so you can stop checking now lol.

He actually adjusted the post to say "fingers crossed" for the 20th so it's still just speculation at this point.

It's almost like he's making this stuff up 
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« Reply #171 on: December 14, 2019, 05:33:24 PM »

On EH, SaltyMarshmallow said:

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Some better info than just guesses suggests the 27th is more likely for something. Soundscan entries for I'm Going Your Way and Carnival have appeared with that date.

http://endlessharmony.boards.net/post/16933/thread
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« Reply #172 on: December 14, 2019, 05:34:48 PM »

Reddit guy with the info has adjusted post to say NEXT Friday (December 20th) so you can stop checking now lol.

He actually adjusted the post to say "fingers crossed" for the 20th so it's still just speculation at this point.

It's almost like he's making this stuff up 
Nobody is making stuff up. It's just speculation based on a few non-firsthand info posted on forums, to begin with.
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« Reply #173 on: December 14, 2019, 07:19:22 PM »

So far the speculation has been ridiculously wrong...so...why not wait for official word instead of relying on the guessing and speculation and whatever is posted on other forums?
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« Reply #174 on: December 14, 2019, 07:49:59 PM »

So far the speculation has been ridiculously wrong...so...why not wait for official word instead of relying on the guessing and speculation and whatever is posted on other forums?
Chances are that there wouldn't be any "official word" (if you mean official announcement by that) on this year's copyright set before its actual release.
Last year, (if I recall correctly) even Alan Boyd and Mark Linett had no idea about the release date until "Wake the World" and "I Can Hear Music" sets were released.

There would definitely be official promotion if a box set were to happen, though.
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