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« Reply #725 on: September 30, 2019, 09:23:51 AM »

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« Reply #726 on: September 30, 2019, 09:25:54 AM »

Blown away by Russell Thompkins Jr's take on Don't Worry Baby at tonight's show (clip shown on Brian's FB page)

It really was unbelievable. What was amazing was that he sang it like it was just so easy for him! Like it was nothing, like singing the alphabet or something, instead of singing an incredibly high falsetto. What I enjoyed almost as much was watching Matt Jardine while Russell Tompkins was singing; he was just sort of shaking his head like he couldn't believe it. And when the song was over and Al introduced Darian for the next song, Darian sort of muttered "you want me to follow that?"  Very funny.

After the show I was standing on the street after most people had wandered off and Tompkins walked past me with some other guy. I had the chance to say that he was fabulous. He just said thank you very much and then disappeared into the Streets of Philadelphia.

Brian told Al to introduce Darian the other night. It’s so funny cause he tells Al to do it and says Darians name . I don’t think Brian could do a show without Al at this point.  If you told me Al would would take Jeff’s place and become Brian’s right hand man in their 70s in 2000 I would have laughed at you

I think you're right.  At this point, I can't even imagine what a Brian concert would be like without Al. 

On Saturday, at one point during Friends, Al looked right at Brian as they sang the line "we've been friends now for so many years" in the last verse.  When you stop to think that these two were in high school together some fifty years ago, it really is kind of amazing.
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« Reply #727 on: September 30, 2019, 09:38:30 AM »

Blown away by Russell Thompkins Jr's take on Don't Worry Baby at tonight's show (clip shown on Brian's FB page)

It really was unbelievable. What was amazing was that he sang it like it was just so easy for him! Like it was nothing, like singing the alphabet or something, instead of singing an incredibly high falsetto. What I enjoyed almost as much was watching Matt Jardine while Russell Tompkins was singing; he was just sort of shaking his head like he couldn't believe it. And when the song was over and Al introduced Darian for the next song, Darian sort of muttered "you want me to follow that?"  Very funny.

After the show I was standing on the street after most people had wandered off and Tompkins walked past me with some other guy. I had the chance to say that he was fabulous. He just said thank you very much and then disappeared into the Streets of Philadelphia.

Brian told Al to introduce Darian the other night. It’s so funny cause he tells Al to do it and says Darians name . I don’t think Brian could do a show without Al at this point.  If you told me Al would would take Jeff’s place and become Brian’s right hand man in their 70s in 2000 I would have laughed at you

I think you're right.  At this point, I can't even imagine what a Brian concert would be like without Al. 

On Saturday, at one point during Friends, Al looked right at Brian as they sang the line "we've been friends now for so many years" in the last verse.  When you stop to think that these two were in high school together some fifty years ago, it really is kind of amazing.
Some 60 years ago.
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« Reply #728 on: September 30, 2019, 10:42:37 AM »

I think they met on the Hawthorne High football team in 1958, so 61 years ago.
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« Reply #729 on: September 30, 2019, 11:43:21 AM »

Thank you both for not pointing out my tragic lack of basic math skills.   Wink
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« Reply #730 on: September 30, 2019, 02:22:27 PM »

Assuming the setlist uploaded is accurate (a big "if" for the sometimes spotty setlist.fm) and not just copied and pasted from the last "Greatest Hits" show, it looks like last night's show did revert back to mostly the previous pre-Zombies tour GH shows:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brian-wilson/2019/the-wind-creek-event-center-bethlehem-pa-4b9c1732.html

None of the "Friends" or "Surf's Up" tracks that were newly added for the Zombies tour were carried over to this show, with only the now-stalwart "Wake the World" surviving. "I Can Hear Music" appears to have survived. Not complaining, just reporting. I get it, the "GH" shows are targeted/marketed differently. I didn't expect much different, though I'm a bit surprised a few didn't carry over.
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« Reply #731 on: September 30, 2019, 02:33:43 PM »

It's funny, I would have been extremely happy with that Bethlehem PA setlist until recently. Salt Lake City, Add Some Music, Feel Flows, Sail On Sailor, Darlin, I Can Hear Music etc etc plus all the hits... lots to love there. But after the epic setlists of the past month it does feel a bit tame.

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« Reply #732 on: September 30, 2019, 02:36:27 PM »

Yeah, I'd never assume we'd see "Diamond Head" or "Passing By" become regulars in the setlist. But it would be cool to see a few of these newly added tracks get rotated in and out. Blondie has been doing "Wild Honey" for several years now; how about keeping "Long Promised Road?" Perhaps keep Al's "Lookin' at Tomorrow."

But I guess, depending on how many future shows might take place, we might see what a "regular" setlist amounts to. Shows marketed as "Greatest Hits" shows probably aren't going to go heavy on deep cuts, and any straggler "Pet Sounds" shows have PS tracks taking up most of the space.
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« Reply #733 on: September 30, 2019, 03:29:47 PM »

I wonder if some venues won't book a show unless they know it's a Greatest Hits show? Certainly easier to market.
With the "1968" show at least there was a "hook."
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« Reply #734 on: October 01, 2019, 07:23:06 AM »

So I guess the "'68" tour is now officially over, yes? The only date left is a rescheduled Pet Sounds date.

If there are future tours in this vein, it would be amazing to hear them use a similar setlist formula with Sunflower and maybe a few Blondie and Al tracks from the Carl and the Passions/Holland era.

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« Reply #735 on: October 01, 2019, 08:04:33 AM »

Assuming the setlist uploaded is accurate (a big "if" for the sometimes spotty setlist.fm) and not just copied and pasted from the last "Greatest Hits" show, it looks like last night's show did revert back to mostly the previous pre-Zombies tour GH shows:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brian-wilson/2019/the-wind-creek-event-center-bethlehem-pa-4b9c1732.html

None of the "Friends" or "Surf's Up" tracks that were newly added for the Zombies tour were carried over to this show, with only the now-stalwart "Wake the World" surviving. "I Can Hear Music" appears to have survived. Not complaining, just reporting. I get it, the "GH" shows are targeted/marketed differently. I didn't expect much different, though I'm a bit surprised a few didn't carry over.

I went to both the Philadelphia and Bethlehem shows - can report that is correct.

The Philly show was TRANSCENDENT. I haven't seen Brian give such a strong vocal performance in a long time. Whenever it was his turn to sing, he gave it his best effort. No talking through any of the songs. He sang sweetly on Busy Doin' Nothing and used his lower range to great effect on Meant For You. He sang the first two lines on each verse of 'Til I Die with the band. He missed only one or two lines. He did a powerful job on H&V. The entire band was on fire. Russell of The Stylistics was such a cool special guest - he sang the second and third verses of "Don't Worry Baby" with ease.  I am not the biggest fan of Blondie's portion usually, but his Long Promised Road was so great - the best thing I've ever heard him do. And not to mention The Zombies - who did a perfect job recreating Odessey and Oracle with immaculate care and attention to detail. The encore was incredible, with the energy of The Zombies and Brian's band feeding off each other. What a magical experience.

The Bethlehem show, only 24 hours later, was pretty workmanlike. The sound in that event center is harsh and cold. The place was undersold and filled up with comps to gamblers. The entire first row on my side was empty. Weak crowd (except a long standing ovation for GOK, which was nice). The band felt the lack of response otherwise. Brian was back to missing lines and clipping words. The band was allotted 1 hr 45 mins but only used 1 hr 20 mins. Besides I Can Hear Music, nothing translated over from the '68 tour. I do get it - they're in a casino and appealing to the lowest common denominator - but isn't that the antithesis of the Brian outfit in the first place?

No one can touch Brian's band when they're performing a setlist like the one on Saturday night, or doing Pet Sounds. A strictly bare bones hits set should be left to Mike's outfit, IMO.
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« Reply #736 on: October 01, 2019, 01:06:43 PM »

I think they met on the Hawthorne High football team in 1958, so 61 years ago.
According to Al in this interview, Brian was his best friend from childhood:



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« Reply #737 on: October 01, 2019, 02:11:06 PM »

I noticed a post on Jim Laspeda's (drummer) facebook about Saturday's show in Philadelphia.  I thought this was noteworthy:  "Special thanks to Darian Sahanaja for his hard work in dissecting all of Brian's vocal parts and music arrangements on "Friends" and "Surf's Up," and for conceptualizing the idea of this tour to begin with. To get inside this music, especially album tracks like "Diamond Head" and "Busy Doin' Nothin'" was an incredible experience".  (bold mine)


I guess we all owe a big thank you to Darian for pushing the limits of what was included in the setlist.  And I have to say, based on the vibe around me in Philadelphia Saturday night, I was not the only one loving this show.  Yes, I know there are the people that just want to hear the hits, but there are also those of us who want to go deeper.  And there are also, believe it or not, music fans who are willing to open their ears and minds and listen to something new to them.  

I read an interesting interview recently with Lee Loughnane from Chicago; he was saying that people don’t want to hear the more challenging songs, or improvisation, they just want to hear what they already know, in other words the hits.  But I think that’s a dangerous and damaging assumption to make.  I wish musicians/bands wouldn’t assume the worst of their audience.  Don’t assume that I’m the lowest common denominator and I’m not going to “get” what you play.  If you only play stuff I’ve already heard a million times, and that’s all I ever hear, then yeah, eventually that’s going to influence my musical taste and that’s all I’m going to “get”.  But if you give the audience a little credit and assume that they have brains and can actually listen critically, you will a) make a bunch of hardcore fans really happy that they’re hearing deep cuts and b) expose other listeners to something new (to them) that they might actually like.  I think it’s called, you know, art.  

I understand that a show billed as “Greatest Hits” has to include a lot of hits.  My point regarding the 68 tour is simply that I’m so grateful that Brian, Darian et al decided that they could do a show that would not just feature a few “deep cuts” but would be built almost entirely on them.  Thanks for recognizing that there is a significant group of people out there that want to hear this music, and that even those who don't know all these songs by heart can hear them for the first time and recognize the beauty of them.  



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« Reply #738 on: October 01, 2019, 02:19:13 PM »

I guess we all owe a big thank you to Darian for pushing the limits of what was included in the setlist.  And I have to say, based on the vibe around me in Philadelphia Saturday night, I was not the only one loving this show.  Yes, I know there are the people that just want to hear the hits, but there are also those of us who want to go a little deeper.  And there are also, believe it or not, music fans who are willing to open their ears and minds and listen to something new to them. 

Right there with you. Huge thanks to Darian! The NYC show last week was an awesome experience that I am still grooving on.

I've posted this before, but it was the deep cuts the BBs played at the 2012 C50 show I attended that really made me want to dig deeper into their catalog and made me a superfan.

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« Reply #739 on: October 01, 2019, 02:26:17 PM »

I guess we all owe a big thank you to Darian for pushing the limits of what was included in the setlist.  And I have to say, based on the vibe around me in Philadelphia Saturday night, I was not the only one loving this show.  Yes, I know there are the people that just want to hear the hits, but there are also those of us who want to go a little deeper.  And there are also, believe it or not, music fans who are willing to open their ears and minds and listen to something new to them. 

Right there with you. Huge thanks to Darian! The NYC show last week was an awesome experience that I am still grooving on.

I've posted this before, but it was the deep cuts the BBs played at the 2012 C50 show I attended that really made me want to dig deeper into their catalog and made me a superfan.




Me too!  The gems in the C50 setlist took me from fan to superfan, 100%.   
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« Reply #740 on: October 01, 2019, 02:53:05 PM »

Some random, stream of consciousness stuff:

Regarding setlists and what any given audience at a venue may want, there are of course no hard, fast rules. Also, times have changed for some bands, and the audiences are more (or sometimes less) open to deep cuts and rarities. 

But there is some leeway even with bands with a long list of hits everybody knows. Could the Beach Boys in 1987 have done like seven songs from “Sunflower” without some audience attention span problems? Probably not. But I’ve always contended that at any time, even in front of an audience of louts who just want to hear “Barbara Ann”, the Beach Boys back in the 80s and 90s could have slipped in a deep cut here and there.

As for what flies setlist-wise for bands now, it depends. The more “general” the audience is, the harder it is to do a ton of deep cuts. So sure, casino gigs (not MGM Arena in Vegas, I’m talking the ballroom at the Cache Creek Resort), or county or state fairs, stuff like that, probably is going to lose patience for a 55-song setlist filled with deep cuts from 1972.

But the more the ticket buyers are big fans of the band, the more leeway. It’s why Brian has always had some level of a built-in deep cut audience, because fans often go to his gigs already known what his deal is, his challenges, the band’s history, and so on.

The guy from Chicago talking about this is interesting, because I’m pretty sure they do some semi-deep cuts. I mean, the average person knows how many Chicago hits? Are they really super familiar with “Questions 67 and 68”?

But sure, in general the Chicago guy is right, a lot of people weirdly pay (sometimes substantial) money to go see a live show and just want to hear the stuff they already know super-well, and generally want to hear it just like the original.

Some artists, even big ones, have cultivated an audience that will listen to any of their output. Think Springsteen or Neil Young, etc. They weren’t “burdened” with like 37 Top 10 hits.

The only other exception, and there’s pretty much just one at this stage, would be Paul McCartney. He could do any track from the Beatles catalog and many, many fans would know it. There almost isn’t such a thing as a “deep Beatles cut” as far as whipping something out that very few know. Even stuff like “In Spite of All the Danger” is known.

Brian’s tours over the last 20 years, especially the first decade or so, stretched the BB-related setlist to places the BBs never went. The closest they came was the late ’93 shows. Kudos to the band on this tour for even stretching the hardcore fan base at shows by having the balls to do something like “Diamond Head” (which I’m not even a huge fan of, but I can’t deny it’s nuts that they did it live).
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« Reply #741 on: October 01, 2019, 06:05:28 PM »

Blown away by Russell Thompkins Jr's take on Don't Worry Baby at tonight's show (clip shown on Brian's FB page)

It really was unbelievable. What was amazing was that he sang it like it was just so easy for him! Like it was nothing, like singing the alphabet or something, instead of singing an incredibly high falsetto. What I enjoyed almost as much was watching Matt Jardine while Russell Tompkins was singing; he was just sort of shaking his head like he couldn't believe it. And when the song was over and Al introduced Darian for the next song, Darian sort of muttered "you want me to follow that?"  Very funny.

After the show I was standing on the street after most people had wandered off and Tompkins walked past me with some other guy. I had the chance to say that he was fabulous. He just said thank you very much and then disappeared into the Streets of Philadelphia.

Brian told Al to introduce Darian the other night. It’s so funny cause he tells Al to do it and says Darians name . I don’t think Brian could do a show without Al at this point.  If you told me Al would would take Jeff’s place and become Brian’s right hand man in their 70s in 2000 I would have laughed at you

I think you're right.  At this point, I can't even imagine what a Brian concert would be like without Al. 

On Saturday, at one point during Friends, Al looked right at Brian as they sang the line "we've been friends now for so many years" in the last verse.  When you stop to think that these two were in high school together some fifty years ago, it really is kind of amazing.

Anyone else think Al should have equal billing by now?  It still makes sense to call Blondie a special guest since he only appears on certain songs but I think the posters/marquees/tickets should read Brian Wilson & Al Jardine.
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« Reply #742 on: October 01, 2019, 10:31:31 PM »

Some random, stream of consciousness stuff:

Regarding setlists and what any given audience at a venue may want, there are of course no hard, fast rules. Also, times have changed for some bands, and the audiences are more (or sometimes less) open to deep cuts and rarities. 

But there is some leeway even with bands with a long list of hits everybody knows. Could the Beach Boys in 1987 have done like seven songs from “Sunflower” without some audience attention span problems? Probably not. But I’ve always contended that at any time, even in front of an audience of louts who just want to hear “Barbara Ann”, the Beach Boys back in the 80s and 90s could have slipped in a deep cut here and there.

As for what flies setlist-wise for bands now, it depends. The more “general” the audience is, the harder it is to do a ton of deep cuts. So sure, casino gigs (not MGM Arena in Vegas, I’m talking the ballroom at the Cache Creek Resort), or county or state fairs, stuff like that, probably is going to lose patience for a 55-song setlist filled with deep cuts from 1972.

But the more the ticket buyers are big fans of the band, the more leeway. It’s why Brian has always had some level of a built-in deep cut audience, because fans often go to his gigs already known what his deal is, his challenges, the band’s history, and so on.

The guy from Chicago talking about this is interesting, because I’m pretty sure they do some semi-deep cuts. I mean, the average person knows how many Chicago hits? Are they really super familiar with “Questions 67 and 68”?

But sure, in general the Chicago guy is right, a lot of people weirdly pay (sometimes substantial) money to go see a live show and just want to hear the stuff they already know super-well, and generally want to hear it just like the original.

Some artists, even big ones, have cultivated an audience that will listen to any of their output. Think Springsteen or Neil Young, etc. They weren’t “burdened” with like 37 Top 10 hits.

The only other exception, and there’s pretty much just one at this stage, would be Paul McCartney. He could do any track from the Beatles catalog and many, many fans would know it. There almost isn’t such a thing as a “deep Beatles cut” as far as whipping something out that very few know. Even stuff like “In Spite of All the Danger” is known.

Brian’s tours over the last 20 years, especially the first decade or so, stretched the BB-related setlist to places the BBs never went. The closest they came was the late ’93 shows. Kudos to the band on this tour for even stretching the hardcore fan base at shows by having the balls to do something like “Diamond Head” (which I’m not even a huge fan of, but I can’t deny it’s nuts that they did it live).

"Questions 67 & 68" is one of the Chicago tunes I hear regularly on our local oldies hits station, so yes, I would guess most casual fans know it.
The Beatles catalog is the exception. Paul could sing "You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)", "I'll Get You", "What You're Doing", "Hey Bulldog", "Hold Me Tight", and "Wild Honey Pie", and everybody would recognize them. If he dug deep into the Wings catalog, though - let's say he decided to throw in "We're Open Tonight", "Get On the Right Thing", "I Am Your Singer", "Morse Moose and the Grey Goose", "Hold Me Tight" and "So Glad to See You" - most people in the audience would be heading to the concession stand.
I think the 80's Beach Boys did a pretty good job of mixing in album songs, b-sides, and new stuff. I remember them doing songs like The Warmth of the Sun, You're So Good to Me, This Whole World, Please Let Me Wonder, along with then-recent stuff like Getcha Back, California Callin', Rock 'N' Roll to the Rescue,  Carl's Rockin' All Over the World, Heaven, and What You Do to Me.
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« Reply #743 on: October 02, 2019, 03:27:52 AM »

I seem to recall that in the mid 80s to late 90s the boys would mix in two or three new songs in a row and that would be their fill of recent material.
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« Reply #744 on: October 02, 2019, 07:13:38 AM »

I think the 80's Beach Boys did a pretty good job of mixing in album songs, b-sides, and new stuff. I remember them doing songs like The Warmth of the Sun, You're So Good to Me, This Whole World, Please Let Me Wonder, along with then-recent stuff like Getcha Back, California Callin', Rock 'N' Roll to the Rescue,  Carl's Rockin' All Over the World, Heaven, and What You Do to Me.

The 1982-83 BB setlists were somewhat more interesting, and that was by design (or perhaps one could say by demand), as Carl’s conditions for returning to the group in 1982 included more rehearsal and an updated setlist. Still, most of the stuff added in 82-83 was gone within a year or so. “What You Do To Me” and “The Warmth of the Sun” were only in the ’83 setlist. “Rockin’ All Over the World” lasted 2-3 years on and off, from 82-84, but again that wasn’t really a deep cut so much as a Carl-instigated cover (that of course was by that time also being recorded for his second solo album). “Heaven” was only around for a year or so. Everything from BB ’85 other than “Getcha Back” was gone within months, sometimes weeks, with the exception of “Getcha Back”, and even *that* only lasted a year or two longer.

By the 80s, the majority of non-hit/less recognizable songs in the setlist did tend to be tracks off whatever was the new album. In most cases, “new album” tracks were very quickly dispensed with. “Rock and Roll to the Rescue” I don’t think even survived to the end of 1986.

The instances in the 80s and 90s of the BBs digging into deep-cut *back catalog* material were pretty rare, especially apart from those hand full of late 1993 “boxed set” shows. In 1988, pre-Kokomo, they seemed to have a brief moment of motivation to add some rare stuff to the setlist, and added “This Whole World” and “Forever.” But both songs apparently lasted a few months, if that.

Certainly, knowing probably way too much about the composition of their setlists over all those years, it is very true that the perception put about over the years that they only ever did the same hits over and over is not accurate. There were plenty of times where you could catch something at least slightly out of the ordinary, especially in the 80s and early 90s. There’d be something new, or at least a sort of semi-deep cut like Bruce singing “Please Let Me Wonder.” By 1994-95, once the remnants of the “boxed set” tour tracks filtered out, the setlist became pretty darn stale. It’s unfortunate that Carl’s last 2-3 years of touring featured a pretty stale setlist. I recall years ago a group of 1996 soundboard recordings floating around, and they were all seemingly nearly identical.
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« Reply #745 on: October 02, 2019, 08:59:07 AM »

Discussion of deep cuts brings to mind the Brian/band Pet Sounds show I saw in Williamsburg, Brooklyn 3 years ago. Brian was one of the headliners on a very eclectic music festival of youngish indie bands. The show was sold out, all standing room/general admission, with seemingly every inch of space taken. The hipsterish crowd averaged 20s-to-40s, quite young for a Brian crowd, and (as Howie Edelson noted in amazement at the time) they were crazy into the Pet Sounds material, even singing along on some of the fairly unusual cuts. I wonder if any of that younger crowd made it to the "1968" show last week? The folks last week on average looked more like you'd expect at a Brian show, roughly a generation older.

It's been said before, but it's completely fascinating just how many seemingly separate fanbases the BBs seem to have.

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« Reply #746 on: October 02, 2019, 09:08:47 AM »

Discussion of deep cuts brings to mind the Brian/band Pet Sounds show I saw in Williamsburg, Brooklyn 3 years ago. Brian was one of the headliners on a very eclectic music festival of youngish indie bands. The show was sold out, all standing room/general admission, with seemingly every inch of space taken. The hipsterish crowd averaged 20s-to-40s, quite young for a Brian crowd, and (as Howie Edelson noted in amazement at the time) they were crazy into the Pet Sounds material, even singing along on some of the fairly unusual cuts. I wonder if any of that younger crowd made it to the "1968" show last week? The folks last week on average looked more like you'd expect at a Brian show, roughly a generation older.

It's been said before, but it's completely fascinating just how many seemingly separate fanbases the BBs seem to have.



I saw more younger fans at Saturday's show than I ever have at a Brian concert. Long hair, tie dye shirts, much enthusiasm... reminded me of myself about 10 years ago, looking like they had just come from a music festival or a Bob Weir show.
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« Reply #747 on: October 02, 2019, 01:27:31 PM »



It's been said before, but it's completely fascinating just how many seemingly separate fanbases the BBs seem to have.



I agree!

When my fiancee and I went to Warped Tour in 2018, I wore my C50 shirt. She thought it was the lamest thing ever until I got compliment after compliment on it.
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« Reply #748 on: October 02, 2019, 01:49:15 PM »



It's been said before, but it's completely fascinating just how many seemingly separate fanbases the BBs seem to have.



I agree!

When my fiancee and I went to Warped Tour in 2018, I wore my C50 shirt. She thought it was the lamest thing ever until I got compliment after compliment on it.

I love this story.

Discussion of deep cuts brings to mind the Brian/band Pet Sounds show I saw in Williamsburg, Brooklyn 3 years ago. Brian was one of the headliners on a very eclectic music festival of youngish indie bands. The show was sold out, all standing room/general admission, with seemingly every inch of space taken. The hipsterish crowd averaged 20s-to-40s, quite young for a Brian crowd, and (as Howie Edelson noted in amazement at the time) they were crazy into the Pet Sounds material, even singing along on some of the fairly unusual cuts. I wonder if any of that younger crowd made it to the "1968" show last week? The folks last week on average looked more like you'd expect at a Brian show, roughly a generation older.

It's been said before, but it's completely fascinating just how many seemingly separate fanbases the BBs seem to have.



I'd put myself in the age group, maybe not the hipster part though, and say that I wished I was able to see this but Brian didn't come close enough for me to go, sadly.  Haven't heard the Friends album yet, partly because I wanted to digest most of it (already heard Friends, Little Bird, Wake the World) in a sitting once I found a vinyl copy (I'm strangely old-school).  After all, Brian, Al, Matt, and Blondie got me into the Wild Honey songs when they played about half that album during the PS show I saw.  Especially because Brian didn't have a particularly good night for my show and most of these '68 shows, especially those that were closest to me, but not close enough, supposedly had good performances from Brian.
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« Reply #749 on: October 02, 2019, 02:19:17 PM »

I came a fan right when the Beatles Anthology came out (I'm 41 now), and others in my age group were starting to get into the Beatles. I was definitely one of the hipper-than-thou teen set (ugh) and I think that group chose the Beach Boys  as their flag bearer since they weren't the Beatles and being popular automatically made you "uncool" (again, ugh).  My reasons were different (I've shared that story here many times) but that was the mindset of my peers.
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