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Title: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on August 17, 2018, 09:29:16 AM
This is a list of 2019 tour dates for Brian Wilson, including two dates are rescheduled from postponed 2018 dates. The shows are billed as continuing to include Al Jardine and Blondie Chaplin.

Some shows are "regular" shows, dubbed "Greatest Hits" shows. Others are "Pet Sounds" show with the album performed in full (in addition to other songs), and later in the year Brian (again with Al and Blondie) will be doing a joint tour with The Zombies which is said to feature an emphasis on songs from the "Friends" and "Surf's Up" albums.

NOTE: June tour dates are postponed (and are included below in RED until or if they are rescheduled or otherwise accounted for).

Regular/"Greatest Hits" Tour Dates:

May 4, 2019 - Redondo Beach, CA - Beachlife Festival
(SETLIST - https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brian-wilson/2019/seaside-lagoon-redondo-beach-ca-739096bd.html)

June 14, 2019 - Atlantic City, NJ - Hard Rock Live
August 9, 2019 - Waterloo, NY - Del Lago Casino


"Pet Sounds" Tour Dates:

June 7, 2019 - Lynn, MA - Lynn Auditorium
June 8, 2019 - Concord, NH - Capitol Center for the Arts
June 9, 2019 - Burlington, VT - Flynn Theatre
June 12, 2019 - Baltimore, MD - Hippodrome Theatre
June 16, 2019 - Lenox, MA - Tanglewood Music Center
June 18, 2019 - Huber Heights, OH - Rose Music Center at The Heights
June 20, 2019 - Nashville, TN - Schermerhorn Symphony Center (w/ Nashville Symphony) (Rescheduled from May 2018)
June 21, 2019 - Nashville, TN - Schermerhorn Symphony Center (w/ Nashville Symphony) (Rescheduled from May 2018)
June 23, 2019 - Aurora, IL - River Edge Park
August 7, 2019 - Lewiston, NY - Artpark Mainstage (Rescheduled from June 15)
August 10, 2019 - Fort Wayne, IN - Embassy Theatre
August 11, 2019 -  Cuyahoga Falls, OH - Blossom Music Center (w/ Blossom Festival Orchestra)
October 2, 2019 - Red Bank, NJ - Count Basie Theatre (Rescheduled from June 11)

"Something Great from '68" Tour w/ The Zombies

August 31, 2019 – Las Vegas, NV - The Joint at Hard Rock Hotel and Casino
September 1, 2019 – Indio, CA - Fantasy Springs Casino
September 6, 2019 – Phoenix, AZ - Comerica Theatre
September 7, 2019 – Pala, CA - Pala Casino
September 8, 2019 – Santa Barbara, CA - Arlington Theatre
September 12, 2019 – Los Angeles, CA - The Greek Theatre
September 13, 2019 – Oakland, CA - The Fox Theater
September 14, 2019 – Murphys, CA - Ironstone Amphitheatre
September 16, 2019 – Seattle, WA - Paramount Theatre
September 17, 2019 – Portland, OR - Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall
September 19, 2019 – Sandy, UT - Sandy Amphitheater
September 20, 2019 – Denver, CO - Paramount Theater
September 22, 2019 – Milwaukee, WI - Riverside Theater
September 23, 2019 – Cincinnati, OH - Taft Theatre
September 24, 2019 – Detroit, MI - Masonic Temple Theatre
September 26, 2019 – New York, NY - Beacon Theatre
September 27, 2019 – Waterbury, CT - Palace Theatre
September 28, 2019 – Philadelphia, PA - Tower Theatre



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: SamMcK on August 18, 2018, 01:49:11 AM
Jesus, the 53rd Anniversary Pet Sounds tour! :o

Maybe SMiLE might be a bit too ambitious to perform if Brian's still recovering somewhat from his back operation, but surely everyone who would want to see a Pet Sounds show or two would have had that opportunity by this point?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: 37!ws (hint: turn it upside-down) on August 18, 2018, 07:54:11 PM
I know I sound like a dusty CD, but...didn't Brian say after the 2006 Pet Sounds mini-tour that after that tour was over he was retiring Pet Sounds? :)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on August 18, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
People, those two 2019 dates are makeup dates for some of the cancelled 2018 PS shows.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on August 18, 2018, 10:27:16 PM
People, those two 2019 dates are makeup dates for some of the cancelled 2018 PS shows.



Correct. We don’t know the format of the other shows as of yet


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on November 14, 2018, 06:35:57 AM
Updated the top post with the newly-announced 2019 date.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 08, 2019, 09:31:41 AM
Added a new PS date for June 18th to the top post schedule.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 08, 2019, 01:34:43 PM
Baltimore Hippodrome June 12th

This is BS. He brought the 50th Anniversary of Pet Sounds Final Performances to this venue in August of 2016, and now what? The FINAL FINAL performance in 2019?

I'll pass.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 08, 2019, 02:15:19 PM
Baltimore Hippodrome June 12th

This is BS. He brought the 50th Anniversary of Pet Sounds Final Performances to this venue in August of 2016, and now what? The FINAL FINAL performance in 2019?

I'll pass.

Separate from Brian's on-stage enthusiasm for the material, I don't see anything wrong with booking PS shows. Meaning, they're clearly getting offers from promoters/venues to book PS shows. They probably get more offers and/or more lucrative offers/guarantees for PS shows.

The issue is that Brian seems to have long since lost enthusiasm for the PS set. This has been happening since 2016. I previously thought time off in between tours might reinvigorate his enthusiasm for the material, but apparently not.

So yeah, in terms of Brian's on-stage performance (where he still seems to have some vigor/enthusiasm for the non-PS songs), I do wonder why they are continuing to book the PS gigs. I think they've already spread around the lead vocals as much as they can.

However, while several June dates are materializing, we don't yet know the extent to which they'll be touring in 2019. It may still be a "light" year touring-wise.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: thelonelysea on January 08, 2019, 02:41:21 PM
I'd say some will be makeup dates and some will be dates to make going out on tour worth it, even if it's a one-month gig or so. Might as well only practice one set, too, hence more "Pet Sounds."

If they happen to book a show near me, will definitely be going again!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Fall Breaks on January 10, 2019, 08:30:29 AM
Out of curiousity, how long does it take for a band of Brian's caliber to rehearse a song from scratch up until it's ready to be performed? Take for example "Mess of Help" which they haven't done live (and I can dream, can't I?). If Brian came up with the idea to play it, how long before it could be in the setlist?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on January 10, 2019, 12:09:50 PM
"Mess of Help" would be a great showcase for Blondie!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Debbie KL on January 10, 2019, 03:27:56 PM
"Mess of Help" would be a great showcase for Blondie!

That it would.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 10, 2019, 04:59:45 PM
Out of curiousity, how long does it take for a band of Brian's caliber to rehearse a song from scratch up until it's ready to be performed? Take for example "Mess of Help" which they haven't done live (and I can dream, can't I?). If Brian came up with the idea to play it, how long before it could be in the setlist?

To play it well with accuracy? A half hour?

To re-create the record and ensure that can be repeated night after night? (For these guys) probably just a few days.

I think the repetitive setlists are to keep Brian on track although, that seems to bore him. This band could play thirty different songs every night without a problem.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Juice Brohnston on January 11, 2019, 07:21:44 AM
Al is such a competent vocalist, and Blondie is great as well (not to mention the rest of the band)
Would it help to just retire Brian from leads? Have him on piano and throwing in some background vocals when he feel up to it.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 11, 2019, 07:25:14 AM
While I think the initial 1999 Brian tour proved that this core of musicians (meaning the ones who are still with him now) can play and sing just about anything a Brian/BB-themed show could possibly throw at them, if anybody had any doubts, latter-day projects outside of that initial 1999 setlist scope definitively prove it.

They pulled off full album tours for PS and Smile in the early-mid 2000s.

On C50 in 2012 they proved they can be the definitive live band when performing "Mike-centric" songs not normally in Brian's setlists, like "Kokomo", "It's OK", "Still Cruisin", and so on.

For the 2014 PBS Soundstage taping, they had "Hold on Dear Brother" thrown at them and they did a jaw-dropping version completely with an impeccable Probyn guitar solo.

They pulled off all of those XMas songs last month, ranging from throwback arrangements on stuff like "Frosty the Snowman" to 70s vibe stuff like "Winter Symphony."

I think any released or unreleased track in the Brian/BB orb could not only be done by this band, but could be done in definitive live fashion.

The live band has literally gotten *better* with Matt Jardine and Al Jardine in the fold. It's of course a bummer that this has all occured as Brian's live performances have eroded in quality to varying degrees (depending on the day he's having, and also which song/setlist selection we're talking abotu).

I think seeing this band (or perhaps a slightly scaled-back version) back Al in concert would be ideal, but it'll likely never happen as Al can't do large enough shows to pay for the band.

I do still wish someone would throw enough money at Al to work up maybe a week's worth of deep cut shows with most of Brian's backing band, and shoot it for a Blu-ray (and live album).

But, to the original question, I have zero doubt that Brian's band could over the course of a few hours put together an impeccable "Mess of Help."


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 11, 2019, 07:31:32 AM
Al is such a competent vocalist, and Blondie is great as well (not to mention the rest of the band)
Would it help to just retire Brian from leads? Have him on piano and throwing in some background vocals when he feel up to it.


While we're sometimes seeing lately an increase of (sometimes justifiable) mixed/poor reviews of Brian's stage performance, I think if he continued to go out on tour and book shows as "Brian Wilson" but completely stepped away from any leads, that would lead to some problems with audiences/reviewers/critics and promoters.

I think they'd either have to book "Al/Blondie" shows separately (which isn't economically viable with that large band), or vastly change the billing of the shows to emphasize that it's something more like a "Glen Miller Orchestra" type of show, with with Glen Miller sitting in.

I think this is why a full Beach Boys reunion lineup would be ideal for Brian (theoretically; I realize the interpersonal and political reasons this isn't happening and maybe shouldn't). He could cut back on leads even more, but still participate, and he'd have four other guys (or five if they added Blondie) to pick up the slack, and no problems with show billing.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Marty Castillo on January 11, 2019, 11:27:25 AM
Al is such a competent vocalist, and Blondie is great as well (not to mention the rest of the band)
Would it help to just retire Brian from leads? Have him on piano and throwing in some background vocals when he feel up to it.


While we're sometimes seeing lately an increase of (sometimes justifiable) mixed/poor reviews of Brian's stage performance, I think if he continued to go out on tour and book shows as "Brian Wilson" but completely stepped away from any leads, that would lead to some problems with audiences/reviewers/critics and promoters.

I think they'd either have to book "Al/Blondie" shows separately (which isn't economically viable with that large band), or vastly change the billing of the shows to emphasize that it's something more like a "Glen Miller Orchestra" type of show, with with Glen Miller sitting in.

I think this is why a full Beach Boys reunion lineup would be ideal for Brian (theoretically; I realize the interpersonal and political reasons this isn't happening and maybe shouldn't). He could cut back on leads even more, but still participate, and he'd have four other guys (or five if they added Blondie) to pick up the slack, and no problems with show billing.

I saw Brian in November and I would be surprised if he took half the leads. I could be wrong, but it felt like Al took the majority of leads between Brian, Al and Blondie. Blondie's (lack of) use during the standard set is still baffling. I truly hope Brian and crew take some time off before June and don't book any shows in the interim. I hope that cures some of the ills I saw in November, but I would be surprised at this point. Too far gone.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Margarita on January 14, 2019, 10:46:19 AM
New date - this is billed as a Pet Sounds show

Sunday 6/23 at River Edge Park in Aurora, IL - tix go on sale 1/15.

https://riveredgeaurora.com/events/brian-wilson/


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on January 14, 2019, 01:03:38 PM
Another one:
May 3-5 (exact date TBA) -- Redondo Beach, CA -- Beachlife Festival

https://www.dailybreeze.com/2019/01/14/new-beachlife-festival-in-redondo-beach-taps-brian-wilson-and-bob-weir-to-headline/

The story did not specify the exact date or if it was a PS show.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 14, 2019, 04:57:26 PM
Looks like that festival gig is May 4.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: spgass on January 17, 2019, 04:00:10 PM
June 12, 2019 - Baltimore, MD - Hippodrome Theatre

Is this one still on?  I don't see it on the Hippodrome calendar or BW's tour page.  Thanks!



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 17, 2019, 06:50:57 PM
June 12, 2019 - Baltimore, MD - Hippodrome Theatre

Is this one still on?  I don't see it on the Hippodrome calendar or BW's tour page.  Thanks!



Interesting! It has vanished completely from Brian's tour page as well as his Facebook page. I never saw it on the Hippodrome website to begin with. I wonder if they jumped the gun with promotion and something fell through.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: spgass on January 23, 2019, 04:59:37 PM
Actually, the Baltimore show looks like it might be back on as I saw it listed on the Hippodrome site -- says tix go on sale in a couple of days.
Brian's site doesn't list that one but does list a new date in NJ for June 11th.

Re:  The "Final Performances" - I can understand the disappointment that the marketing turned out to be false.  I attended a Farewell Tour concert by the Rolling Stones several years ago before many subsequent tours.  However, in my case I'm actually hoping to see a Pet Sounds performance this year.  In addition to lifelong fans, there are probably other people like myself who for whatever reason might have recently rediscovered the Beach Boys.

June 12,  2019 - Baltimore, MD - Hippodrome Theatre

Is this one still on?  I don't see it on the Hippodrome calendar or BW's tour page.  Thanks!



Interesting! It has vanished completely from Brian's tour page as well as his Facebook page. I never saw it on the Hippodrome website to begin with. I wonder if they jumped the gun with promotion and something fell through.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 24, 2019, 07:58:16 AM
Added 6/11 and 6/16 dates to the top post schedule, and also indicated that the May "Beachlife" show is likely not a PS date but a "regular" setlist show.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 24, 2019, 07:37:57 PM
Received an email today for presale for Baltimore show...yes, it's all back up and running. No tickets under $100...no thanks!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: spgass on January 24, 2019, 08:14:03 PM
Dang that stinks - was hoping Baltimore would be more affordable - I'm not close but saw the show in Ohio has seats as low as $20...

Received an email today for presale for Baltimore show...yes, it's all back up and running. No tickets under $100...no thanks!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 25, 2019, 11:12:49 AM
Dang that stinks - was hoping Baltimore would be more affordable - I'm not close but saw the show in Ohio has seats as low as $20...

Received an email today for presale for Baltimore show...yes, it's all back up and running. No tickets under $100...no thanks!

I had 2nd row seats at Montgomery College for $10 each in 2015. No way am I paying triple digits four years later for a show I've seen three times since.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on February 17, 2019, 04:37:42 PM
A new PS date:
Aug. 11 -- Cuyahoga Falls, OH -- Blossom Music Center, with the Blossom Festival Orchestra


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Matt Etherton on February 20, 2019, 08:12:06 PM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Crack Smokerson on February 20, 2019, 08:25:10 PM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...


He has an incredible band playing and singing the music he wrote, and I've never been anything less than blown away after seeing him in concert. Sure, Brian doesn't sound the same as he did back in '65 and he isn't always engaged 100%, but just being in his presence while his music comes alive around him is an excellent experience that has always been worth the money


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: SMiLE Brian on February 21, 2019, 06:49:11 AM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...
NPP tour I saw in 2015 begs to differ ::)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Marty Castillo on February 22, 2019, 05:49:18 AM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...
NPP tour I saw in 2015 begs to differ ::)

I agree, Brian was in great form and I felt I got my money's worth in 2015 when I saw him on the NPP tour.

I saw Brian late last year, dragging out Pet Sounds "one more time" and decided I would never pay to see him, again. I'm hoping Al brings his solo tour within driving distance--he was still in great voice.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on March 06, 2019, 08:13:26 AM
Added a 6/14 "Greatest Hits" show to the top post schedule.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Jim V. on March 06, 2019, 08:52:48 PM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...
NPP tour I saw in 2015 begs to differ ::)

Absolutely. I saw Brian (with Al and Blondie) in 2015 and it was amazing. Absolutely wonderful show.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on March 06, 2019, 09:14:44 PM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...
NPP tour I saw in 2015 begs to differ ::)

 :woot :woot :woot :woot

That was SOME show, huh? Brian was incredible!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: chewy on March 16, 2019, 12:21:37 AM
Redondo Beach, CA??!??!?!   what the hell is Redondo Beach, CA????????? ;)




Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: marcella27 on March 19, 2019, 08:46:06 AM
I just got an email from the Burlington VE jazz festival.  Brian is playing June 9, 2019.

Brian Wilson

Pet Sounds: The Final Performances

Sunday, June 9

Flynn MainStage

 

EXCLUSIVE PRE-SALE for Friends of Discover Jazz starts TODAY at 10am. Tickets go on sale to the public Friday, March 22 AT 10AM.
 
To become a Friend and instantly receive the Friends-only pre-sale promo, visit discoverjazz.com/friends.  Support over 100 hours of free live music and the festival’s music education programs, become a Friend of Discover Jazz today.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Juice Brohnston on March 19, 2019, 09:35:00 AM
Let's get the Love You shows going!
Can you imagine Brian walking out and opening with Let Us Go On This Way? And the worse his vocals sounded the better it would be...


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: hideyotsuburaya on March 19, 2019, 10:14:11 AM
that is almost true


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: rab2591 on March 19, 2019, 12:31:09 PM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...

So you're basing your opinion of these shows on tinny sounding videos made by a microphone/camera as small as a grain of rice, which is then uploaded in a lossy format to youtube, and probably listened to on speakers the size of two grains of rice on your phone?

In person these shows are phenomenal...his backing band helps immensely even when Brian isn't on point for a few songs. Is Brian the 23 year old kid we hear on the records? Heck no, and he hasn't been since he was 23. His voice has changed every year of his existence, it's been ravaged by years of smoking and drug use, and he is now 76 yet still out there putting on a show. We're beyond lucky we can still see him perform, and I think most fans know what they're getting into when they buy tickets.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on March 19, 2019, 01:20:27 PM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...

So you're basing your opinion of these shows on tinny sounding videos made by a microphone/camera as small as a grain of rice, which is then uploaded in a lossy format to youtube, and probably listened to on speakers the size of two grains of rice on your phone?

In person these shows are phenomenal...his backing band helps immensely even when Brian isn't on point for a few songs. Is Brian the 23 year old kid we hear on the records? Heck no, and he hasn't been since he was 23. His voice has changed every year of his existence, it's been ravaged by years of smoking and drug use, and he is now 76 yet still out there putting on a show. We're beyond lucky we can still see him perform, and I think most fans know what they're getting into when they buy tickets.

 :woot :woot :woot :woot  Right on, Rab!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Debbie KL on March 19, 2019, 02:08:59 PM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...

So you're basing your opinion of these shows on tinny sounding videos made by a microphone/camera as small as a grain of rice, which is then uploaded in a lossy format to youtube, and probably listened to on speakers the size of two grains of rice on your phone?

In person these shows are phenomenal...his backing band helps immensely even when Brian isn't on point for a few songs. Is Brian the 23 year old kid we hear on the records? Heck no, and he hasn't been since he was 23. His voice has changed every year of his existence, it's been ravaged by years of smoking and drug use, and he is now 76 yet still out there putting on a show. We're beyond lucky we can still see him perform, and I think most fans know what they're getting into when they buy tickets.

 :woot :woot :woot :woot  Right on, Rab!

Honestly, has anyone heard Brian's band sound less than spectacular? I know they're terribly self-critical and some fans grab comments from them with that modesty and say they had a bad night. Brian has physical challenges these days, but performs anyway. My last experience about 4 months ago, he sang less, but better. Someone I respect here on the Board was at the same show and was disappointed that Brian didn't smile and engage the audience. I'm sorry I forget about, and don't notice those things. I realize some fans really want that.  Brian may or may not smile at you (but the band will engage), and there will be wonderful music at the show. I guess I don't understand the problem. If you want to see Brian and band, buy a ticket. If you don't, don't buy a ticket. I think that's pretty simple.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on March 19, 2019, 06:42:29 PM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...

So you're basing your opinion of these shows on tinny sounding videos made by a microphone/camera as small as a grain of rice, which is then uploaded in a lossy format to youtube, and probably listened to on speakers the size of two grains of rice on your phone?

In person these shows are phenomenal...his backing band helps immensely even when Brian isn't on point for a few songs. Is Brian the 23 year old kid we hear on the records? Heck no, and he hasn't been since he was 23. His voice has changed every year of his existence, it's been ravaged by years of smoking and drug use, and he is now 76 yet still out there putting on a show. We're beyond lucky we can still see him perform, and I think most fans know what they're getting into when they buy tickets.

 :woot :woot :woot :woot  Right on, Rab!

Honestly, has anyone heard Brian's band sound less than spectacular? I know they're terribly self-critical and some fans grab comments from them with that modesty and say they had a bad night. Brian has physical challenges these days, but performs anyway. My last experience about 4 months ago, he sang less, but better. Someone I respect here on the Board was at the same show and was disappointed that Brian didn't smile and engage the audience. I'm sorry I forget about, and don't notice those things. I realize some fans really want that.  Brian may or may not smile at you (but the band will engage), and there will be wonderful music at the show. I guess I don't understand the problem. If you want to see Brian and band, buy a ticket. If you don't, don't buy a ticket. I think that's pretty simple.

Yes, Deb, OR, stop with the complaining and criticism of Brian and if you're into tribute bands, go see myKe luHv's fake BB's and tell me how great it was to not see Brian Wilson and his incredible band. Oh, I forgot, luHv thinks he's a legend too.  :p


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on March 20, 2019, 06:34:31 AM
Added 6/7 and 6/9 dates to the top post schedule.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: thelonelysea on March 21, 2019, 12:39:16 AM
What does it mean that some of the dates are listed "with Nashville Symphony" or other orchestras? Will they have a whole string section on retainer in addition to Brian's full band?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Gettin Hungry on April 10, 2019, 08:09:33 AM
I just bought my tickets for the Aug. 11 date in Ohio. Feeling giddy!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on April 10, 2019, 09:56:18 AM
What does it mean that some of the dates are listed "with Nashville Symphony" or other orchestras? Will they have a whole string section on retainer in addition to Brian's full band?

The ones with orchestras are Pet Sounds shows, primarily concerts rescheduled as a result of Brian's surgery last year.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on April 11, 2019, 06:51:00 AM
Regarding the shows notated as including an orchestra, it seems pretty self-explanatory. For those particular gigs, a local orchestra will be a part of the show. They're not on retainer as if they're tagging along on the whole tour. It's just a local orchestra added to the show.

I would imagine the BW tour operation still has all the charts from the 2000 PS symphonic shows, and in isolated cases where a local venue/promoter wants to integrate a full orchestra into the show, they can accommodate that.

The only thing I'm not sure about is if the orchestra will only play during the PS set, or during the entire show. I would guess mostly just the PS set, and then maybe a few other bits (I honestly can't remember where the orchestra came in on those 2000 PS shows beyond PS itself and the opening overture bit; the 2000 show I saw was one of the rare ones without an orchestra, and I actually thought PS sounded better without the orchestra honestly).


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Woodstock on April 12, 2019, 12:23:41 AM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...

So you're basing your opinion of these shows on tinny sounding videos made by a microphone/camera as small as a grain of rice, which is then uploaded in a lossy format to youtube, and probably listened to on speakers the size of two grains of rice on your phone?

In person these shows are phenomenal...his backing band helps immensely even when Brian isn't on point for a few songs. Is Brian the 23 year old kid we hear on the records? Heck no, and he hasn't been since he was 23. His voice has changed every year of his existence, it's been ravaged by years of smoking and drug use, and he is now 76 yet still out there putting on a show. We're beyond lucky we can still see him perform, and I think most fans know what they're getting into when they buy tickets.

As a fan of the band I just don’t see how anyone could pass up an opportunity to see Brian play. The music is amazing even when performed on a bad night, but I’ve never seen a bad show. Every time I’ve seen Brian’s band, they have been phenomenal thru some bad nights on Brian’s part, and some good nights too.

Everyone always goes on about the bad nights like this wasn’t a guy who spent 3 years in bed due to mental illness. Seeing him when he’s “on” just makes that all the better. I saw him pull out a song they had performed just once in rehearsal. Shaky as hell, but really fun. Especially Brian yelling into his mic “TURN MY PIANO UP” and then pounding at his keys to make sure he was loud and in at the front of the mix. Good times.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on April 12, 2019, 11:59:05 AM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...

So you're basing your opinion of these shows on tinny sounding videos made by a microphone/camera as small as a grain of rice, which is then uploaded in a lossy format to youtube, and probably listened to on speakers the size of two grains of rice on your phone?

In person these shows are phenomenal...his backing band helps immensely even when Brian isn't on point for a few songs. Is Brian the 23 year old kid we hear on the records? Heck no, and he hasn't been since he was 23. His voice has changed every year of his existence, it's been ravaged by years of smoking and drug use, and he is now 76 yet still out there putting on a show. We're beyond lucky we can still see him perform, and I think most fans know what they're getting into when they buy tickets.

As a fan of the band I just don’t see how anyone could pass up an opportunity to see Brian play. The music is amazing even when performed on a bad night, but I’ve never seen a bad show. Every time I’ve seen Brian’s band, they have been phenomenal thru some bad nights on Brian’s part, and some good nights too.

Everyone always goes on about the bad nights like this wasn’t a guy who spent 3 years in bed due to mental illness. Seeing him when he’s “on” just makes that all the better. I saw him pull out a song they had performed just once in rehearsal. Shaky as hell, but really fun. Especially Brian yelling into his mic “TURN MY PIANO UP” and then pounding at his keys to make sure he was loud and in at the front of the mix. Good times.

 :woot :woot :woot You tell 'em Woodstock! :bw


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Margarita on April 14, 2019, 09:09:46 PM
Why do so many people on this board pretend that Brian live is good? This guy shouldn't be out on tour-the video's I've seen are really of a guy who seems almost forced to be participating in a show...

So you're basing your opinion of these shows on tinny sounding videos made by a microphone/camera as small as a grain of rice, which is then uploaded in a lossy format to youtube, and probably listened to on speakers the size of two grains of rice on your phone?

In person these shows are phenomenal...his backing band helps immensely even when Brian isn't on point for a few songs. Is Brian the 23 year old kid we hear on the records? Heck no, and he hasn't been since he was 23. His voice has changed every year of his existence, it's been ravaged by years of smoking and drug use, and he is now 76 yet still out there putting on a show. We're beyond lucky we can still see him perform, and I think most fans know what they're getting into when they buy tickets.

As a fan of the band I just don’t see how anyone could pass up an opportunity to see Brian play. The music is amazing even when performed on a bad night, but I’ve never seen a bad show. Every time I’ve seen Brian’s band, they have been phenomenal thru some bad nights on Brian’s part, and some good nights too.

Everyone always goes on about the bad nights like this wasn’t a guy who spent 3 years in bed due to mental illness. Seeing him when he’s “on” just makes that all the better. I saw him pull out a song they had performed just once in rehearsal. Shaky as hell, but really fun. Especially Brian yelling into his mic “TURN MY PIANO UP” and then pounding at his keys to make sure he was loud and in at the front of the mix. Good times.

Last November 30th, my husband and I went to see Brian's Christmas show in Hammond, IN.  Just the night before, our beloved 14-year-old beagle died suddenly.  We were stunned and heartbroken, in physical and emotional pain. 
In almost 30 times seeing Brian in concert, this was the only time I could say his performance was subpar (look back at the reviews if you want details).  The venue wasn't all that great, either - man, I can't stand casino all-purpose rooms.  But it didn't even matter - his band, Blondie, and Al more than made up for any of Brian's deficiencies.  They performed like their asses were on fire.  And during the encore set, I danced in the aisle and sang like crazy with all of the good ol' traditional Beach Boys show closers.  It was the balm for the hurt I had been through in the past 24 hours. 
Look, I'm a life-long fan.  My dad introduced me to Beach Boys music when I was a tiny kid, and that music was there to comfort me when he passed away.  I met my husband because of Brian's music.   That music has always been there for me in good times and bad, and has provided endless inspiration. 
Until I was almost 30, I never thought I would ever see Brian in concert.  Every show I've been to has been memorable and a gift.  It has been magical to see him progress from "deer in the headlights" of the first tour to "Here with go with 'Heroes & Villains' at the BW Tribute (we were lucky enough to be in the audience for the taping) to laughing and posing for a fan photo on stage during a Smile show.  This has been a journey for him, and I respect him so much for taking on something that has been very difficult at times.  If he's touring near where I live or a place I'm traveling to, I'm there.  There will come a day when none of us can see Brian in concert anywhere for any price, and I don't want to have any regrets.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Rocker on April 24, 2019, 01:02:46 PM
This was posted on Brian's facebook account, hope it's visible:


(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/58612877_10157895347847241_3747277017783992320_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_eui2=AeFkOTTF6dTjn_afbf5-RLZqeviyoEm6-0EyxDtblWcSK7huwd_xJnJsCBpA37TuB-8LNnvibKD5IaOWbRcIBZt-FrcHhgrPSsVpa4EebqB7KQ&_nc_ht=scontent-frt3-1.xx&oh=e2c10a489d3da27e4d5c39ad1f7e1c9d&oe=5D734326)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Debbie KL on April 24, 2019, 06:00:23 PM
Thanks!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on April 30, 2019, 07:01:22 AM
Added a 6/8 Concord, NH date to the top post schedule. Also added the 9/19 Sandy, UT show (with the Zombies opening), which I'm assuming for the moment is a "regular" show, as I don't see mention in promotions for the show of it being a "Pet Sounds" show.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on April 30, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
Added a 6/8 Concord, NH date to the top post schedule. Also added the 9/19 Sandy, UT show (with the Zombies opening), which I'm assuming for the moment is a "regular" show, as I don't see mention in promotions for the show of it being a "Pet Sounds" show.

Very intrigued by the possibilities behind this combo with The Zombies. Not that I want to see "Pet Sounds" dragged out anymore than it has been, but could you imagine "Pet Sounds" AND "Odyssey and Oracle" in the same night? This also has the possibility to be what the Jeff Beck tour SHOULD have been. Could you imagine Beach Boys harmonies stacked up on something like "Tell Her No" or "I Love You"? And how about a kick ass Rod Argent organ solo over any of those early surfin' records...or the beautiful breathy yet somehow operatic blend of Colin Blunstone's voice on something like "The Warmth of The Sun"...I can hear some soaring up the octave "...that groooOOOOOWS into DaaaAAAAAAAYYYyyyyAH" ...Let's Go!!!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 30, 2019, 10:32:26 PM
This may be the most excited I’ve ever been for a tour in a long time


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Signed Sincerely on May 01, 2019, 12:47:03 AM
Anyone know what the chances are of Brian coming back to Europe? It looks like only North America dates at this point


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on May 03, 2019, 03:22:44 PM
New date: Aug. 10 -- Fort Wayne, IN -- Embassy Theatre


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on May 06, 2019, 07:17:04 AM
In the top post, I've updated the setlist for the 5/4 "Beachlife" gig, and also added to the schedule an August 9th "Greatest Hits" show in NY and an August 10th PS show in Indiana.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on May 06, 2019, 12:04:56 PM
Another greatest hits live show:
Aug. 9 -- Waterloo, NY -- The Vine at del Lago Resort and Casino


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RJM on May 07, 2019, 06:38:11 AM
Something Great From ‘68.

Coming to a town near-ish to you!


https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/brian-wilson-zombies-north-american-tour-dates-832033/


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on May 07, 2019, 06:54:45 AM
Sadly, nowhere near me... I have to say the part about celebrating the music from Surf's Up excites me, tho. Hope that continues beyond the joint tour.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 07, 2019, 06:59:47 AM
Something Great From ‘68.

Coming to a town near-ish to you!


https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/brian-wilson-zombies-north-american-tour-dates-832033/

Wow, that's a great concept for a tour ! Definitely a needed change from the PS or greatest hits.

 Id go see this no question if they were anywhere near me.  :-\


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on May 07, 2019, 07:10:39 AM
I'm psyched! Love it!



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: baseball95 on May 07, 2019, 08:10:43 AM
Darn they're skipping the entire east coast, here's hoping some extra dates get announced.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Wrightfan on May 07, 2019, 08:32:16 AM
Darn they're skipping the entire east coast, here's hoping some extra dates get announced.

They're playing at tthe Beacon Theatre in NYC.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on May 07, 2019, 08:56:32 AM
Awesome poster.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/59625222_2252695534811036_2735109592991137792_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=b544b7a927dee3c1ae4e7200873de833&oe=5D694B8A)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on May 07, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
Updated the top post schedule with the Zombies tour dates.

Playing to an audience already primed to heard "Odessey & Oracle" in full will presumably make it easier for Brian/Al/Blondie to go "deep" on the setlist. Let's see what we actually get from "Surf's Up". I would imagine the title track and "'Til I Die" are the most obvious. Would be nice to see Brian's band cut loose on "Lookin' at Tomorrow", and maybe we'll get "Long Promised Road" ahead of the Brian documentary.

Let's also hope a new show format might reinvigorate Brian as well. I haven't watched/listened to the entire show, but that "Beachlife" gig a few days ago was pretty painful during Brian's portions (the other guys sounds great as always). Even cutting all of the known slack we can (first show in months, it being a "one-off" show with probably less extensive rehearsals/warmups, etc.), it's a bummer to see Brian sounding like that when, over the past couple years, it has usually been the non-Pet Sounds portion that features him in better voice and with more energy.

While the show already does lean on some leads from Darian, Matt, Al, and Blondie, it may be time, if they're inclined to continue touring, to kind of transition the tour operation into more of a "Brian Wilson Presents..." format where it's more strongly advertised that it's a bit more of a "Glenn Miller Orchestra" sort of situation, albeit with Brian in attendance and still doing a few leads here and there.

Or, maybe Brian will perk up on subsequent dates. Then again, we segue back to a bunch of "Pet Sounds" dates before this other tour starts. I guess we'll wait and see.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on May 07, 2019, 09:14:41 AM
I hope the reviewers don't get too rough on this tour. I don't closely follow The Zombies, but I caught their TV performance recently doing "Time of the Season" and Blunstone sounded pretty warbly, with a seemingly uncontrollable excessive vibrato when having to sing old falsetto-ish lines in full-voice.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on May 07, 2019, 10:23:50 AM
Kinda off-topic, but here is a wild article about how some shady music promoters manufactured different touring versions of the Zombies in the late 1960s after the original group appeared to have broken up for good. It's a quite entertaining read, especially if--hypothetically--you are a fan of bands whose core studio musicians seem to differ rather confusingly from their touring group.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/danielralston/the-true-story-of-the-fake-zombies-the-strangest-con-in-rock?utm_term=.soAGGAD7b#.laQJJ0WQB



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: feelintheflows on May 07, 2019, 10:39:12 AM
It’s 2019 right..? Soooo shouldn’t 20/20 be the album that’s celebrated? But hey whatever.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: myonlysunshine on May 07, 2019, 10:40:03 AM
Just got my ticket to the Beacon Theatre show! I’m really excited! Friends and Surf’s Up are my two favorite non-Pet Sounds/SMiLE Beach Boys albums. A tour/show like this was something I always hoped would happen, but that I never thought would actually happen.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Wrightfan on May 07, 2019, 01:40:29 PM
Just got my ticket to the Beacon Theatre show! I’m really excited! Friends and Surf’s Up are my two favorite non-Pet Sounds/SMiLE Beach Boys albums. A tour/show like this was something I always hoped would happen, but that I never thought would actually happen.

How did you get your ticket already?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: myonlysunshine on May 07, 2019, 03:19:08 PM
Just got my ticket to the Beacon Theatre show! I’m really excited! Friends and Surf’s Up are my two favorite non-Pet Sounds/SMiLE Beach Boys albums. A tour/show like this was something I always hoped would happen, but that I never thought would actually happen.

How did you get your ticket already?

Some pre-sales for certain dates began today at 1 PM EST US. Non-presale tickets go on sale Friday I believe.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Margarita on May 07, 2019, 08:09:44 PM
Just got my ticket to the Beacon Theatre show! I’m really excited! Friends and Surf’s Up are my two favorite non-Pet Sounds/SMiLE Beach Boys albums. A tour/show like this was something I always hoped would happen, but that I never thought would actually happen.

How did you get your ticket already?

Some pre-sales for certain dates began today at 1 PM EST US. Non-presale tickets go on sale Friday I believe.

Did you need a pre-sale password?  The site for the venue in Milwaukee has an artist's presale at 10 a.m. tomorrow, but there's no such info on bw.com other than just the tour dates.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: myonlysunshine on May 08, 2019, 04:37:35 AM
Just got my ticket to the Beacon Theatre show! I’m really excited! Friends and Surf’s Up are my two favorite non-Pet Sounds/SMiLE Beach Boys albums. A tour/show like this was something I always hoped would happen, but that I never thought would actually happen.

How did you get your ticket already?

Some pre-sales for certain dates began today at 1 PM EST US. Non-presale tickets go on sale Friday I believe.

Did you need a pre-sale password?  The site for the venue in Milwaukee has an artist's presale at 10 a.m. tomorrow, but there's no such info on bw.com other than just the tour dates.

In this case I did not, although in the past I have had to use codes for these kinds of presales, yes.  The presale for the Beacon Theatre yesterday was for Chase Preferred cardmembers. There was also one for Citi cardmembers. But simply paying for the tickets with my Case Preferred card was all that was needed this time. Ticketmaster should have more information regarding presale requirements.

For those of you on social media, the Facebook event pages for the concert dates (which can be found on Brian and Al’s Facebook fan pages in their events tabs) should contain direct links to the Ticketmaster pages for said dates.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on May 08, 2019, 05:32:40 AM
According to a Zombies fan FB  site - try ROCKHALL for presale code. Hope that works!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: OGoldin on May 08, 2019, 08:12:27 AM
Just got my ticket to the Beacon Theatre show! I’m really excited! Friends and Surf’s Up are my two favorite non-Pet Sounds/SMiLE Beach Boys albums. A tour/show like this was something I always hoped would happen, but that I never thought would actually happen.

How did you get your ticket already?

Some pre-sales for certain dates began today at 1 PM EST US. Non-presale tickets go on sale Friday I believe.

Did you need a pre-sale password?  The site for the venue in Milwaukee has an artist's presale at 10 a.m. tomorrow, but there's no such info on bw.com other than just the tour dates.

password for Milwaukee is Friends.  Presale started 12 minutes ago


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: chewy on May 08, 2019, 10:48:05 AM
I hope the reviewers don't get too rough on this tour. I don't closely follow The Zombies, but I caught their TV performance recently doing "Time of the Season" and Blunstone sounded pretty warbly, with a seemingly uncontrollable excessive vibrato when having to sing old falsetto-ish lines in full-voice.

no, thats how the song is my guy- Colin sounds the same as he always did, he has not destroyed his voice from year after year of touring....because he didnt do that


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on May 08, 2019, 12:10:36 PM
I hope the reviewers don't get too rough on this tour. I don't closely follow The Zombies, but I caught their TV performance recently doing "Time of the Season" and Blunstone sounded pretty warbly, with a seemingly uncontrollable excessive vibrato when having to sing old falsetto-ish lines in full-voice.

no, thats how the song is my guy- Colin sounds the same as he always did, he has not destroyed his voice from year after year of touring....because he didnt do that

I think he did sound a little off on the Fallon performance which I think HeyJude is referring to but in general, Colin still sounds fantastic.  And the band's Hall of Fame set was pretty killer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqQ6MdmF4LA


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on May 08, 2019, 12:22:12 PM
I hope the reviewers don't get too rough on this tour. I don't closely follow The Zombies, but I caught their TV performance recently doing "Time of the Season" and Blunstone sounded pretty warbly, with a seemingly uncontrollable excessive vibrato when having to sing old falsetto-ish lines in full-voice.

no, thats how the song is my guy- Colin sounds the same as he always did, he has not destroyed his voice from year after year of touring....because he didnt do that

Nope, I caught the Fallon performance and it sounded *nothing* like the original record on Blunstone's lead vocal. I'm not trying to cast extra stones; I've listened to tons of wonky Beach Boys and solo Beach Boys live performances, going back years.

The Fallon performance appears to now be strangely difficult to find online, and I readily admit I've not yet checked other very recent performances. Perhaps the Fallon show was an anomaly.

But on Fallon, while the backing band sounded fine, Blunstone was very much struggling. It sounds like he still has plenty of tone in the lower ranges, and perhaps just can't do the falsetto-ish voicings from the old record, and therefore was singing everything full-force, full-voiced, and it sounded extremely wobbly with waaaay too much vibrato like he coudln't control it.

It was like the polar opposite of a bad Brian live show night. Where Brian will go low energy and kind of mumble out some lyrics if he's having a bad night, Blunstone was putting like a thousand times *too much* power and was completely losing control of his voice.

Anyway, I'm not passing judgment on Blunstone's overall present vocal ability. But to be clear, that Fallon performance did NOT sound like the original recording. It didn't even sound like when I heard Rod Argent sing the song himself with Ringo's band back in 2006. Argent actually sang Zombies and Argent songs all by himself on that tour and sounded great.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: joe_blow on May 09, 2019, 11:27:52 AM
I picked up 2 for the Vegas show, and I'm from Vancouver, BC.  Seattle is closer but on a Monday night. Now to find a reasonable package at the end of August.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: TV Forces on May 09, 2019, 11:45:37 AM
After seeing Brian's Christmas show last December, I told myself I was done.

Then he's strolling into town with the Zombies, who I've never seen, and they are playing one of my favorite albums of all-time.

Here I go again.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: roffels on May 09, 2019, 02:49:09 PM
I just want a chance to hear the band play Surf's Up.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: 37!ws (hint: turn it upside-down) on May 09, 2019, 03:07:48 PM
If I'm being honest, at this point, I'm going more for the band than Brian. Brian is basically a non-factor in his own concerts now. He's not very active, and when we saw him in November, he was
obviously suffering from excruciating back pain (why wasn't he in a wheelchair??)....have to say, the few leads he did during the Christmas portion were actually good, but it was more like, "Oh...Brian's here!" than "a Brian Wilson concert." I know this sounds terrible, but I'm convinced the main reason he's still touring is the access to steakhouses while on the road. He's said time and time again that he wants to continue touring, but he...doesn't really do much in the concerts any more. (And I will never be convinced that Brian doesn't want to be touring. History proves that if he truly doesn't want to do something, he doesn't. The exception: getting away from Landy...who was his legal guardian and likely threatened him with institutionalization if he tried to escape.)

I'm really upset that Wondermints technically no longer exist, so this is the only way I'll get to see those guys together. Still kicking myself for not flying out to LA for the Knitting Factory show back in 2002.

Al and Blondie are both great. Amazing how much intact Al's voice is after all these decades! Blondie steals the show. I know some people hate that, but man, he brings such energy!

Having said all that....okay, I guess Brian *is* at least a bit of a factor. When I became a fan, it was during a time that except for very rare one-offs, it was unheard of for Brian to be on stage. I resigned myself to the knowledge that...I'd never get to see him. Even when 1999 happened, I was convinced that it was the only time I'd ever get to see him -- after the Beacon Theater show, I said out loud, "There's NO WAY he'll ever agree to do this again!" Fact is, i got deep into my fandom thinking I'd never see Brian...but man, I'm taking every opportunity I can to see him while I can. Yeah, on his best nights lately he's mediocre performance-wise, but he needs to know his fans love him.

And I'll give him a standing ovation for "God Only Knows." I was lucky enough to hear it the only *truly* acceptable way -- with Carl singing it -- live only one time, but damned if that ain't an ideal song.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Beachlad on May 09, 2019, 03:48:21 PM
Quick Query,
My wife has so graciously let me know about Brian coming to Dayton ohio with one catch. I am disabled and cant drive and I wounderd if anyone coming from Cincy<I live in Springdale> if I could catch a ride< nbe more than happy to pay for gas>
Thanks
Lad


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: thelonelysea on May 09, 2019, 06:38:30 PM
but he needs to know his fans love him.

And I'll give him a standing ovation for "God Only Knows." I was lucky enough to hear it the only *truly* acceptable way -- with Carl singing it -- live only one time, but damned if that ain't an ideal song.

God, this. I've only seen him once, but there was something electric and magical about watching all the audience lose their mind over just seeing him onstage and yelling, "We love you!" and giving standing ovations after everything. I FEEL IT. It's such an honor to get to be a part of that.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on May 09, 2019, 07:38:01 PM
I'm going to hold out hope that shaking up the setlist to this extent (Friends, Surf's Up deep cuts) will give Brian some extra juice on this tour. But either way... I'll be there!



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: All Summer Long on May 10, 2019, 05:05:12 AM
I originally posted this in the livestream topic but I'll switch it because discussion has moved over here:

Just going to add my random two cents.  Please don't anyone take this as I'm attacking Brian; I love the man and his music and talents just like the rest of you, and I know much less of what he's been through (compared to the rest of you) because I haven't bought/read as many books yet.

I went to see Brian, Al, and Blondie perform Pet Sounds in 2017.  I knew Brian's vocals wouldn't be anything like the 60's of course, but I think I was expecting something on par with 2012.  As I'm still diving head first, I heard a lot of new songs (for me) that I loved...my first dive into Wild Honey started here.  I was initially lukewarm on Pet Sounds (other than the hits), but it's growing on me.  Obviously I was somewhat disappointed and saddened, because although I know we've heard to the contrary, but other than a couple of songs, he sounds like he doesn't want to be there.  "God Only Knows" (either from that show or what I've heard on YouTube around that time) made me extremely sad...does anyone think Brian's decline could connect to the fact that the full band isn't touring?  It sounds stupid, I know, but he was pretty engaged from what I've been able to hear on the C50 live album and from various clips on YouTube.  On the other hand, Al impressed me as expected.  I wasn't as initially happy with Blondie, but warmed up.  Same with Matt.  When I listened to the Wild Honey album and Let Him Run Wild, I was shocked.  I had liked Foskett more before, but now I had switched to Matt.  If I'm right, I had just learned about California Saga shortly before my show, thinking it was Cool Cool Water, and let's just say the real Cool Cool Water was a shock to hear, but I loved it (California Saga).  That song just does something to me.  Beach Boys + a country vibe?  Yes please.   The only thing that disappointed me with Al was that he refused in a kind of harsh way to sign my original 1966 cover of Pet Sounds.  Maybe that was a venue thing though?  I hope so because he's supposedly been fairly courteous.  Maybe he wasn't happy that he wasn't allowed to sign things:?

EDIT: Oh and watching a bit of this show (livestream) last night didn't help.

Because of Brian's vocals, and the price, my family has been trying to persuade me from going if Brian's still going to be "detached."   I know he's gone through a lot, but I really enjoyed seeing Al (and can't see him because I'll be on vacation when he comes), and my interest has really been piqued by this new Brian/Al/Blondie/Zombies tour.  Not that I really listen to the Zombies (other than She's Not There), but the idea of Surf's Up cuts, Friends cuts, and other deep cuts makes me want to make the drive to NYC in September.  Ok, tirade over.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: TV Forces on May 10, 2019, 05:15:24 AM
It’s 2019 right..? Soooo shouldn’t 20/20 be the album that’s celebrated? But hey whatever.

It's not billed as a 50th anniversary tour.  And he's not playing "Friends" in full.  It's just letting people know what to expect.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Gerry on May 11, 2019, 10:37:44 AM
Like a lot of people here I am a Brian fan first and a Beach Boy fan second. Over the years , for me, Brian could do no wrong. I've made excuses for him, tried to explain it away or just laughed it off. However between the unusual vocals for Pet Sounds, The Christmas tour, Beach Life, and various other shows I think what I am seeing is sad. What the answer is I don't know, I just don't like what I am hearing. At this point Brian's voice is truly toast and at almost 77 years I don't think it's coming back.  I think Hey Jude said that these shows should be billed as something like "Brian Wilson presents the music of the Beach Boys " just to show that Brian is more of a host than a participant. To me, because I love Brian, what's going on now is embarrassing.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on May 13, 2019, 07:49:05 AM
While the band has pleasantly surprised us with the setlist in the past, I think it's good to keep in mind that there probably aren't going to be a TON of Friends/Surf's Up tracks we haven't seen on recent tours.

It's a double-billed show, so the Brian set will already be likely a bit shorter than his longer setlists of the past. I'd guess we're looking at 25-30 songs rather than 32 to 35, etc. The Zombies are doing the full O&O album plus presumably some other stuff.

Brian will undoubtedly be doing his standard setlist of recent years, with some things switched out for Friends/Surf's Up. But they've already had "Wake the World" and "Busy Doin' Nothin'" in the setlist recently (though "BDN" probably not since 2015). They've been doing "Feel Flows" for a few years now.

I'm guessing we'll probably see from Friends, "Wake the World", "Busy Doin' Nothin'", possibly "Meant for You" and "Friends", and *maybe* one other track ("Be Here in the Morning"?).

And then for "Surf's Up", I'd imagine we'd get "Feel Flows", "Surf's Up", maybe "'Til I Die", possibly "Lookin' at Tomorrow" from Al (rehearsed by Brian's band in 2014), maybe "Long Promised Road" in light of it having been re-recorded for the upcoming documentary, and/or maybe one other surprise ("Take a Load" or "Don't Go Near" or maybe "...Tree.")

But I don't see them adding more than 3-5 total songs from both albums that haven't already been in the setlist recently. They're probably facing a 90-minute-ish setlist that will undoubtedly include at least 15 to 20 songs that are always locked in.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: coco1997 on May 13, 2019, 09:06:20 AM
After seeing Brian's Christmas show last December, I told myself I was done.

Then he's strolling into town with the Zombies, who I've never seen, and they are playing one of my favorite albums of all-time.

Here I go again.


Same.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on May 13, 2019, 12:36:37 PM
I'm guessing we'll probably see from Friends, "Wake the World", "Busy Doin' Nothin'", possibly "Meant for You" and "Friends", and *maybe* one other track ("Be Here in the Morning"?).

And then for "Surf's Up", I'd imagine we'd get "Feel Flows", "Surf's Up", maybe "'Til I Die", possibly "Lookin' at Tomorrow" from Al (rehearsed by Brian's band in 2014), maybe "Long Promised Road" in light of it having been re-recorded for the upcoming documentary, and/or maybe one other surprise ("Take a Load" or "Don't Go Near" or maybe "...Tree.")

I know what you're saying, but hey, no issue here. That would be a pretty amazingly cool run of deep cuts. 



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on May 14, 2019, 07:26:37 AM
Looking at recent setlists, including the most recent “non-Pet Sounds/Christmas Album” shows, as a basis for an ongoing setlist, and keeping in mind it’s a double-billed tour with the Zombies, as well as remembering the “core” songs they always do, I’d guess this Friends/Surf’s Up-infused setlist will look something vaguely like this:

1.   California Girls
1.   Dance Dance Dance
2.   I Get Around
3.   Shut Down
4.   Little Deuce Coupe
5.   Surfer Girl
6.   Don’t Worry Baby
7.   Meant for You
8.   Friends
9.   Wake the World
10.   Busy Doin’ Nothin’
11.   California Saga: California
12.   Darlin’
13.   ‘Til I Die
14.   Surf’s Up
15.   Lookin’ at Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)
16.   Long Promised Road
17.   Feel Flows
18.   Wild Honey
19.   Sail on Sailor
20.   Do It Again
21.   Wouldn’t It Be Nice
22.   Sloop John B.
23.   God Only Knows
24.   Good Vibrations
25.   All Summer Long
26.   Help Me Rhonda
27.   Barbara Ann’
28.   Surfin’ USA
29.   Fun Fun Fun
30.   Love and Mercy


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Beachlad on May 14, 2019, 08:49:17 AM
we got the tickets and a little excited. I try to keep my expectations pretty low<I saw him xmas of 2016 in cincy and he was so much better than expected> I almost didnt want to go but you never know if you get the chaNCE AGAIB.  I wish The beach boys were playing close because I like what the group jas begun<saying a lot because I use to be argntly against Mike and his group> We got a family friend to take me and it will be fun introduing him to Pet Sounds> The Zombies I could do without but it could be worse.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Gettin Hungry on May 14, 2019, 09:45:10 AM
Looking at recent setlists, including the most recent “non-Pet Sounds/Christmas Album” shows, as a basis for an ongoing setlist, and keeping in mind it’s a double-billed tour with the Zombies, as well as remembering the “core” songs they always do, I’d guess this Friends/Surf’s Up-infused setlist will look something vaguely like this:

1.   California Girls
1.   Dance Dance Dance
2.   I Get Around
3.   Shut Down
4.   Little Deuce Coupe
5.   Surfer Girl
6.   Don’t Worry Baby
7.   Meant for You
8.   Friends
9.   Wake the World
10.   Busy Doin’ Nothin’
11.   California Saga: California
12.   Darlin’
13.   ‘Til I Die
14.   Surf’s Up
15.   Lookin’ at Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)
16.   Long Promised Road
17.   Feel Flows
18.   Wild Honey
19.   Sail on Sailor
20.   Do It Again
21.   Wouldn’t It Be Nice
22.   Sloop John B.
23.   God Only Knows
24.   Good Vibrations
25.   All Summer Long
26.   Help Me Rhonda
27.   Barbara Ann’
28.   Surfin’ USA
29.   Fun Fun Fun
30.   Love and Mercy


I wonder if some of these Friends/Surf's Up songs will appear in the Pet Sounds shows too. I hope so, considering I'm seeing what appears to be the last Pet Sounds show ... of 2019.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: baseball95 on May 14, 2019, 09:45:22 AM
Looking at recent setlists, including the most recent “non-Pet Sounds/Christmas Album” shows, as a basis for an ongoing setlist, and keeping in mind it’s a double-billed tour with the Zombies, as well as remembering the “core” songs they always do, I’d guess this Friends/Surf’s Up-infused setlist will look something vaguely like this:

1.   California Girls
1.   Dance Dance Dance
2.   I Get Around
3.   Shut Down
4.   Little Deuce Coupe
5.   Surfer Girl
6.   Don’t Worry Baby
7.   Meant for You
8.   Friends
9.   Wake the World
10.   Busy Doin’ Nothin’
11.   California Saga: California
12.   Darlin’
13.   ‘Til I Die
14.   Surf’s Up
15.   Lookin’ at Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)
16.   Long Promised Road
17.   Feel Flows
18.   Wild Honey
19.   Sail on Sailor
20.   Do It Again
21.   Wouldn’t It Be Nice
22.   Sloop John B.
23.   God Only Knows
24.   Good Vibrations
25.   All Summer Long
26.   Help Me Rhonda
27.   Barbara Ann’
28.   Surfin’ USA
29.   Fun Fun Fun
30.   Love and Mercy


Gosh i'm so sick of Brian doing these 4 songs in a row:
1.   Dance Dance Dance
2.   I Get Around
3.   Shut Down
4.   Little Deuce Coupe

Al sounds great on the car songs I know but those are two Al leads that could be used on something better, I Get Around you have to play I get that but Brian went years without playing Deuce Coupe and Shut Down. Dance Dance Dance seems  more unnecessary to me, I know it was Top 10 and i'm essentially removing 3 well known songs but come on leave those songs to Mike's greatest hit jukebox lol


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: NateRuvin on May 14, 2019, 06:48:10 PM
baseball95,
I definitely understand where you're coming from. In fact, before I read your comment I was preparing to post that I wish Dance, Dance, Dance would be swapped out for something else.

I completely understand Brian playing I Get Around. His first number one, and more than that, Brian flexing his songwriting/production muscles at a time when The Beatles had just "invaded". At a time when most American acts were cowering to or copying The Beatles, Brian was doing his own thing, and totally progressing. I'd almost be shocked to see a BW show without I Get Around.

As for Deuce Coupe and Shut Down, they can feel really inconsequential and like filler in the greater context of BW's career. I'm not the first person to say this, so I can't take credit for the idea, but the way I see it, is Brian must like playing Rock N Roll, feel like a teenager again, which was something he didn't get to do a lot of during his career with The BBs. He quit touring so early on, and of course had struggles with touring in the 70's and 80's. His solo career has been his first chance, when you think about it, for him to play his songs, comfortably, under his own conditions. Playing those car songs sure looked like fun in the 60's and Bri probably includes them in there cause he gets a kick out of playing them. Either that, or he and his team have deemed them necessary crowd pleasers, which is a nice pivot to Dance, Dance, Dance.

I dig Dance, Dance, Dance. It has a great bassline and it's a totally fun song. But given the potential tight setlist we'll be getting with the double booking, I would like to see Dance, Dance, Dance swapped out with something else. That doesn't mean it needs to be replaced with a deep cut or anything heavy, but maybe just rotate it with some other rockers. Just to keep things fresh. Even Mike has switched songs like It's OK, Farmer's Daughter, Still Cruisin, Good To My Baby, etc around during his equivalent "getting the crowd warmed up with the fun songs" part of the show. Some songs I'd be happy to hear instead, that could still work in that context are Hawaii, Be True, Surf City, Catch A Wave... you get the point, other classic crowd pleasers to warm the audience up, I'm growing a little tired of DDD. Although, if BW personally really likes playing it I'm fine with it staying.

It's funny how Mike still gets criticized for being the traveling jukebox when his and Brian's setlists are getting increasingly similar, with Mike's actually having a little more variety. I understand the accusation in 1999, when Mike was playing "Duke of Earl" while Brian was playing "The Night Was So Young". Things have clearly changed since then. We now have BW shows with only one solo BW song and BBs shows with 3 or 4 ML solo songs, who woulda thunk :lol? Personally, I'm fine with Mike sprinkling in multiple solo songs, and I'd be fine with BW doing the same.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: baseball95 on May 15, 2019, 06:42:53 AM
baseball95,
I definitely understand where you're coming from. In fact, before I read your comment I was preparing to post that I wish Dance, Dance, Dance would be swapped out for something else.

I completely understand Brian playing I Get Around. His first number one, and more than that, Brian flexing his songwriting/production muscles at a time when The Beatles had just "invaded". At a time when most American acts were cowering to or copying The Beatles, Brian was doing his own thing, and totally progressing. I'd almost be shocked to see a BW show without I Get Around.

As for Deuce Coupe and Shut Down, they can feel really inconsequential and like filler in the greater context of BW's career. I'm not the first person to say this, so I can't take credit for the idea, but the way I see it, is Brian must like playing Rock N Roll, feel like a teenager again, which was something he didn't get to do a lot of during his career with The BBs. He quit touring so early on, and of course had struggles with touring in the 70's and 80's. His solo career has been his first chance, when you think about it, for him to play his songs, comfortably, under his own conditions. Playing those car songs sure looked like fun in the 60's and Bri probably includes them in there cause he gets a kick out of playing them. Either that, or he and his team have deemed them necessary crowd pleasers, which is a nice pivot to Dance, Dance, Dance.

I dig Dance, Dance, Dance. It has a great bassline and it's a totally fun song. But given the potential tight setlist we'll be getting with the double booking, I would like to see Dance, Dance, Dance swapped out with something else. That doesn't mean it needs to be replaced with a deep cut or anything heavy, but maybe just rotate it with some other rockers. Just to keep things fresh. Even Mike has switched songs like It's OK, Farmer's Daughter, Still Cruisin, Good To My Baby, etc around during his equivalent "getting the crowd warmed up with the fun songs" part of the show. Some songs I'd be happy to hear instead, that could still work in that context are Hawaii, Be True, Surf City, Catch A Wave... you get the point, other classic crowd pleasers to warm the audience up, I'm growing a little tired of DDD. Although, if BW personally really likes playing it I'm fine with it staying.

It's funny how Mike still gets criticized for being the traveling jukebox when his and Brian's setlists are getting increasingly similar, with Mike's actually having a little more variety. I understand the accusation in 1999, when Mike was playing "Duke of Earl" while Brian was playing "The Night Was So Young". Things have clearly changed since then. We now have BW shows with only one solo BW song and BBs shows with 3 or 4 ML solo songs, who woulda thunk :lol? Personally, I'm fine with Mike sprinkling in multiple solo songs, and I'd be fine with BW doing the same.

That's a very good point, the "Mike's greatest hit jukebox" was more to keep the masses happy who still feel this is the case in order to get my point across haha. But you're 100% right Mike's setlists have gotten deeper and more in depth. The double billing is certainly going to keep the setlist around 30 or so. I don't get why Brian will do Honkin' or Night Was So Young for 5 shows and then cut it, that's been a few years back but still hasn't come back, I think Blondie on Long Promised Road might be interesting, I wonder if he might be on the stage for more or all of the show, I still don't understand why he isn't on stage for the whole show, still makes me mad.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2019, 08:45:39 AM
Looking at recent setlists, including the most recent “non-Pet Sounds/Christmas Album” shows, as a basis for an ongoing setlist, and keeping in mind it’s a double-billed tour with the Zombies, as well as remembering the “core” songs they always do, I’d guess this Friends/Surf’s Up-infused setlist will look something vaguely like this:

1.   California Girls
1.   Dance Dance Dance
2.   I Get Around
3.   Shut Down
4.   Little Deuce Coupe
5.   Surfer Girl
6.   Don’t Worry Baby
7.   Meant for You
8.   Friends
9.   Wake the World
10.   Busy Doin’ Nothin’
11.   California Saga: California
12.   Darlin’
13.   ‘Til I Die
14.   Surf’s Up
15.   Lookin’ at Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)
16.   Long Promised Road
17.   Feel Flows
18.   Wild Honey
19.   Sail on Sailor
20.   Do It Again
21.   Wouldn’t It Be Nice
22.   Sloop John B.
23.   God Only Knows
24.   Good Vibrations
25.   All Summer Long
26.   Help Me Rhonda
27.   Barbara Ann’
28.   Surfin’ USA
29.   Fun Fun Fun
30.   Love and Mercy


Gosh i'm so sick of Brian doing these 4 songs in a row:
1.   Dance Dance Dance
2.   I Get Around
3.   Shut Down
4.   Little Deuce Coupe

Al sounds great on the car songs I know but those are two Al leads that could be used on something better, I Get Around you have to play I get that but Brian went years without playing Deuce Coupe and Shut Down. Dance Dance Dance seems  more unnecessary to me, I know it was Top 10 and i'm essentially removing 3 well known songs but come on leave those songs to Mike's greatest hit jukebox lol

Yep, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing other songs subbed out. I was just putting together a realistic setlist, and they've been doing variations on that dance/car-centric opening run of songs for a good four or five years now.

I think the frustrating part is that they won't deviate more on the non-Brian leads even when those other singers, by all appearances and indications, would gladly change it up and do other stuff. I don't think Al would mind singing "Susie Cincinnati" or "Lookin' at Tomorrow" and drop "Shut Down", etc.

Al is finally doing solo club gigs, which is great. But his "Storytellers" format, length of shows, and three-piece band is making it difficult to bust a ton of rarities out.

I think they should strike some sort of balance and do stuff like give Al "Heroes and Villains" to sing, and maybe go back to Blondie singing the bridge on "Surfer Girl" like they experimented with awhile back for a few shows.

And/or, let Blondie/Matt/Darian/Al do a song or two or three solo or with a two or three-piece or something.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: roffels on May 15, 2019, 05:26:59 PM
We now have BW shows with only one solo BW song and BBs shows with 3 or 4 ML solo songs, who woulda thunk :lol? Personally, I'm fine with Mike sprinkling in multiple solo songs, and I'd be fine with BW doing the same.

The first Brian Wilson show I went to, Brian introduced Imagination with something along the lines of "Here's a song called Imagination, I don't like to play it, but they told me I should anyways."


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: tpesky on May 15, 2019, 05:29:50 PM
They might do Feet as they both sang lead on that . DGNTW is another potential


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 15, 2019, 10:55:16 PM
We now have BW shows with only one solo BW song and BBs shows with 3 or 4 ML solo songs, who woulda thunk :lol? Personally, I'm fine with Mike sprinkling in multiple solo songs, and I'd be fine with BW doing the same.

The first Brian Wilson show I went to, Brian introduced Imagination with something along the lines of "Here's a song called Imagination, I don't like to play it, but they told me I should anyways."
I used to think Brian was being talked into doing the oldies, but now I think maybe he just doesn't have the energy and attention to focus on newer music.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2019, 06:41:29 AM
Regarding Brian doing the “meat and potatoes” stuff, the “oldies”, I’ll reiterate what I’ve said in the past.

Understanding why Brian may do those songs requires some context, both in terms of the band and Brian’s history, and the history of Brian’s solo touring since 1998/99.

First and foremost, Brian does the car songs/oldies because they’re also HIS songs. For all the deep cuts and focus on esoteric, post-surf/car songs in Brian’s shows over the years (more on that in a moment), it has to be remembered that Brian doesn’t hate his old songs. They’re all HIS songs, and he is proud of “Shut Down” and “Little Deuce Coupe” too, and so on.

Around 2007-ish when Brian started leaning a bit more into some of those oldies, some fans seemed taken aback. But I pointed out back then as well as now that, certainly as of the mid-2000s, many fans had probably seen the touring Beach Boys over the years sing those songs more times than Brian had, and certainly more times than Brian had performed them in concert. For Brian, singing those car songs was relatively new and novel. And again, his shows have always been mainly a presentation of his music, his songs. Which leads me to this salient point:

I think some people may have a slightly skewed view of why and how Brian developed his setlists when he went out on tour in 1999. From the fan perspective, there was an up-to-that-point rare and refreshing focus on deeper cuts and non-hits, etc. But I don’t think Brian developed his setlists as if he was setting out to hone in on deep cuts. I think Brian was just doing songs he liked, songs he wanted to do. That selection just so happened to be a mixture of some well-known tracks/hits, and also some stuff that was less common or never heard over the years in Beach Boys concerts. It may be that some of the backing band members helped to suggest deep cuts with more an eye towards focusing more on that stuff and less on oldie hits.

But I think Brian just looks at all of the stuff as his catalog of songs. Why shouldn’t he lay claim to “Shut Down” and “Little Deuce Coupe” and “Catch a Wave”, and so on? They’re his songs.

In terms of where the setlist is at in 2019, I know there are other factors as well. We have some comments from band members that Brian isn’t into singing the verbose tracks these days like “Surf’s Up” and “Busy Doin’ Nothin’.” Also, they’re selling “Pet Sounds” and “Greatest Hits” shows to promoters, and those types of shows surely leave less room to start whipping out a ton of rarities. Additionally, I’m sure there’s a bit of just keeping the ball rolling and path of a least resistance and all of that, it’s easier to keep things well-oiled if the setlist doesn’t change a ton from night to night.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Cabinessenceking on May 16, 2019, 09:04:57 AM
I must agree with the sentiment that the oldies make for a better experience when distributed evenly throughout the show.

What I find great about the 1973-75 shows is how they would throw in a "crowd pleaser" oldie every 4 songs or so. Little Deuce Coupe, 4 newer songs, Surfer Girl, 4 newer songs, Catch A Wave, 4 newer songs, etc.

It meant that each oldie had an impact and kept the show going at a very pleasant pace. The C50 shows suffered from having all the oldie hits clumped together in the first set. At some point the sound of the early songs become monotonous. This is especially the case if they play the oldies by theme with 4 consecutive car songs followed by 4 consecutive surfing songs.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2019, 10:25:42 AM
The C50 setlist was paced just fine as far as I could tell, mainly because it was such a long setlist, so there were always more hits to come. The shortest shows at the beginning of the tour were 42-43 songs. By  mid-tour they were up to 46 or so, and of course they infamously and mind-blowingly just decided to do *all 61* songs at the Royal Albert Hall for the penultimate show of the tour.

I personally wouldn't really want like 4 or 5 car songs peppered through the setlist. Not so much because I'm a fan of the medley-style format of stringing them all together, but more because it's jarring for other parts of the show to shift back to those car songs.

They still did a ton of "hits" in the second set on C50, moving "California Girls" near the end and also of course all of the classic show-enders.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on May 16, 2019, 10:47:00 AM
In C50, it also felt like most of the first set was Mike's playground (surf songs/car songs/early 60s covers etc), and the beginning of the second set was Brian's (Heroes and Villains, Sail On Sailor, Pet Sounds tracks and a few deep cuts). Which was kind of a cool balance.



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: NateRuvin on May 16, 2019, 11:29:43 AM
MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm,

That's a really cool observation I never made. Stylistically it was pretty obvious that the first set was more upbeat hits and second set more artistic stuff, but The Beach Boys had so much overlap of artistic songs and hit songs, that the lines are hard to see. Anyway, I think the observation of each half catering to one party (Mike and Brian) makes a lot of sense, in a not to piss anyone off way, or a to keep everyone happy way if you're an optimist. Clearly, if that was the case and purpose, it didn't work, with the tour ending with lots of feelings of dissatisfaction.

Although, we might be getting into the "Mike is the car guy VS Brian is the Pet Sounds guy" territory, due to the fact that its becoming increasingly obvious that Brian prefers to play the hits over the deeper material too. After all, like Hey Jude has said, they are his songs! They were great hit songs that he wrote that were totally unique, and quite frankly changed Rock as a whole. It's easy to look at the car songs as simple, but those songs are pretty advanced- specifically Deuce Coupe and I Get Around, harmonically speaking. To put the V-ii change in a rock n roll song was amazing (Little Deuce Coupe) and I Get Around has very clever modulations and borrows chords from other keys by playing with what we anticipate to be major or minor... Didn't mean to get so off topic, but I feel like the car songs are something for Brian to be extremely proud of, and they're certainly crowd pleasers.  :bw


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on May 16, 2019, 12:38:46 PM
A few years ago I saw Brian singing "Little Honda" and he looked to be really into it.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 16, 2019, 04:17:32 PM
Here’s a mindblower... Brian’s been a touring solo artist almost as long as he was a Beach Boy and if we’re being technical about it, longer


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Debbie KL on May 16, 2019, 05:32:17 PM
Here’s a mindblower... Brian’s been a touring solo artist almost as long as he was a Beach Boy and if we’re being technical about it, longer

Oh, Billy, thanks for noticing this. It gives some perspective.

Brian will probably continue to do oldies that the "non-niche fans" (? is that a thing?) lap up and dance to. They were still good songs. I'm afraid, as a long-time niche fan, I have fun watching the crowd enjoying those songs and relish the rarities. We'll probably get a mix as long as he chooses to tour.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 16, 2019, 10:29:28 PM
That’s one of the reasons why I’m excited about this Zombies tour. With the idea that Friends and Surfs Up are being pushed, it’ll be great listening and possible increased exposure for that side of Brian due to the increased attention on the Zombies with them being inducted into the Hall of Fame


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on May 17, 2019, 06:56:10 AM
Here’s a mindblower... Brian’s been a touring solo artist almost as long as he was a Beach Boy and if we’re being technical about it, longer

I'd say, being as liberal as possible in counting the years, Brian really only spent about 10-11 years as a full-time member of the touring band. 1961-1965, 1976-1982, and 2012. There are other appearances sprinkled in there, especially the random appearances between 1983 and 1990. But he also wasn't even always there in the late 70s and early 80s (nor of course '65).

We'd have to look at Ian and Jon's "In Concert" book to start counting the dates, but I'm curious if Brian has literally been on stage for more total solo shows than Beach Boys shows.

But certainly, in terms of number of years logged, he has logged more years as a solo touring artists than as a member of the touring Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: tpesky on June 03, 2019, 07:55:20 AM
Just saw on Facebook that Brian added a date on 9/27 at the Palace in Waterbury.  I wasn't planning to go to see this tour but now it's 10 minutes from my house .  I just don't think I can pass that up.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on June 03, 2019, 06:13:17 PM
Hoping for more east coast dates as this is fresh, exciting, and THE ZOMBIES! He'll be 20mins from me at the Hippodrome for the *second* final performance of Pet Sounds at the very same venue he played the final performance in Baltimore for three years ago  ::)  In 2016, it was near sold out...now, nearly a week out from the show it is less than half sold. I've been watching, wondering if prices will be slashed as the date approaches...but when there are no seats under $100, I can't justify a fourth Pet Sounds performance from Brian in current form.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: roffels on June 03, 2019, 09:00:43 PM
Hoping for more east coast dates as this is fresh, exciting, and THE ZOMBIES! He'll be 20mins from me at the Hippodrome for the *second* final performance of Pet Sounds at the very same venue he played the final performance in Baltimore for three years ago  ::)  In 2016, it was near sold out...now, nearly a week out from the show it is less than half sold. I've been watching, wondering if prices will be slashed as the date approaches...but when there are no seats under $100, I can't justify a fourth Pet Sounds performance from Brian in current form.

I did this for Brian's Christmas show. I ended up getting a 3rd row ticket for $12 about an hour before the show.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 06, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
Notated on the top post that the June dates are postponed. We obviously don't know what's next, so I'll just leave those dates in red until or if something changes.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: B.E. on June 06, 2019, 08:54:21 AM
Are ticket refunds only available if the show is ultimately cancelled? What's the standard procedure?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 06, 2019, 08:56:23 AM
Are ticket refunds only available if the show is ultimately cancelled? What's the standard procedure?

I don't have any specific info about these dates, but generally once a show is postponed, refunds are made available. My guess is they'll either offer refunds to those who don't want to wait to see if the show is rescheduled, or they'll just refund everyone.

Considering they apparently nixed the June dates literally at the last second, I'd imagine they don't know what's going to happen going forward and thus probably won't be rescheduling any dates any time soon.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 06, 2019, 09:10:11 AM
This news story indicates refunds will be offered at point of purchase, and, not surprisingly, no rescheduled dates are available:

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/LiveCulture/archives/2019/06/06/brian-wilson-cancels-burlington-discover-jazz-festival-performance


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ClassicShowsFan on June 06, 2019, 09:10:44 AM
The message from Brian:

Dear friends,
It is with great regret that I need to postpone my upcoming June tour.
It is no secret that I have been living with mental illness for many decades. There were times when it was unbearable but with doctors and medications I have been able to live a wonderful, healthy and productive life with support from my family, friends and fans who have helped me through this journey.
As you may know in the last year or so I’ve had 3 surgeries on my back. The surgeries were successful and i’m physically stronger than i’ve been in a long time.
However, after my last surgery i started feeling strange and it’s been pretty scary for awhile. I was not feeling like myself. Mentally insecure is how I’d describe it. We're not sure what is causing it but i do know that it’s not good for me to be on the road right now so I’m heading back to Los Angeles.
I had every intention to do these shows and was excited to get back to performing. I've been in the studio recording and rehearsing with my band and have been feeling better. But then it crept back and I’ve been struggling with stuff in my head and saying things I don’t mean and I don’t know why. Its something i’ve never dealt with before and we cant quite figure it out just yet.
I’m going to rest, recover and work with my doctors on this.
I’m looking forward to my recovery and seeing everyone later in the year.
The music and my fans keep me going and I know this will be something I can AGAIN overcome.
Love & Mercy,
Brian Wilson


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: marcella27 on June 06, 2019, 09:33:57 AM
Here is the message I received about the Burlington, Vermont show. 

Brian Wilson Cancellation

 

We have received news that Brian Wilson has cancelled all upcoming tour dates due to mental health issues. Therefore, his performance scheduled for Sunday, June 9, 2019 is cancelled. We wish Wilson a speedy recovery and hope to present him at a future Burlington Discover Jazz Festival.
   

All tickets purchased for this show will be refunded. Please contact the Box Office at 802-86-FLYNN (802-863-5966) with your order number and credit card information handy so that we may confirm your refund details. Tickets need not be returned to the Flynn Box Office. All tickets will be refunded to the original method of purchase. Cash sales will be refunded by a check sent to the account address on record. We will be processing refunds over the next several days; please allow a week to ten days for the credit to post to your account or to receive a refund check.
 
We apologize for the inconvenience. If you have any questions, feel free to inquire in person at the Box Office at 153 Main Street in Burlington or by calling 802-86-FLYNN (802-863-5966).


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on June 06, 2019, 09:09:26 PM
Wow. The Hippodrome website clearly states cancelled and that refunds are being given. I just checked the tickets again this morning...only about 40% of the tickets had sold for this event. I never bothered looking at other dates and how they were selling, but one would assume the tour had similar sales across the board. I wonder if that was discouraging to Brian and company? I'm not saying they cancelled because they HAD to. I believe every word of what is written by Brian, but I have to wonder if perhaps the lack of enthusiasm shown through ticket sales contributed to pre-existing mental and physical instability and contributed to putting him in a bad place? I apologize if that sounds insensitive, but I know Paul McCartney always says his biggest fear to this day is people getting up and walking out of his show. The audience still means everything to these guys when they are out there, Brian doesn't have to be doing this. I can't say he's always good at showing it, but I do believe he tours because he wants to for physical and mental stimulation, as well as the mutual satisfaction between audience and performer. Anyway, I've seen Brian on C50, Jeff Beck Tour, No Pier Pressure Tour, and three times on the Pet Sounds tour...and never have I been able to leisurely browse the seating chart less than a week before the show and hand pick seats wherever I please. I feel it's a factor somehow.

Praying Brian finds the peace and inspiration needed to carry on with full vigor. I hope he's well enough for The Zombies tour...that idea sounds refreshing.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: B.E. on June 07, 2019, 07:14:52 AM
June 11th rescheduled for October 2nd. All June 11th tickets will be honored. Full refunds available through July 15th.

https://www.app.com/story/entertainment/events/summer-guide/2019/06/06/brian-wilson-beach-boys-pet-sounds-tour/3172883002/ (https://www.app.com/story/entertainment/events/summer-guide/2019/06/06/brian-wilson-beach-boys-pet-sounds-tour/3172883002/)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Tony S on June 07, 2019, 07:20:34 AM
I'm actually not surprised if ticket sales were really slow this time around. Not trying to sound insensitive, as I love Brian, the Band, and all he brings. But after attending the last Pet Sounds show, when Brian really pretty much spoke the words to the songs without really singing, it was a big disappointment. It just left a lot to be desired, and I know many others may have felt the same way. It was almost saturated with the Pet Sounds performances, on and on and on, and I think th word about the actual performance may have gotten out. That being said, I hate to see Brian ill, but the last couple of tours, he just seemed off, and in pain, so I hope he heals and is happy. And if he never tours again, I've seen him so many times, and he's brought me and so many others so much joy, his job with regard to touring may e finished, but will never be forgotten. Be Well Brian.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: B.E. on June 07, 2019, 07:25:22 AM
Ticket sales may have been slow at other venues (e.g. Hippodrome), but that June 11th show was nearly sold out.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 07, 2019, 07:49:35 AM
Updated the top post schedule with the rescheduled date.

I still think it's fair to wonder if some of the future (or any) of these 2019 dates will be able to go on. Brian's situation sounds serious; are they really going to be back up and running in two months?

In any event, I'll keep up any changes to the tour schedule updated so long as tour dates remain in effect.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on June 07, 2019, 08:02:38 AM
Updated the top post schedule with the rescheduled date.

I still think it's fair to wonder if some of the future (or any) of these 2019 dates will be able to go on. Brian's situation sounds serious; are they really going to be back up and running in two months?

In any event, I'll keep up any changes to the tour schedule updated so long as tour dates remain in effect.

Agreed, it seems extremely optimistic that this can be fixed in two months. Even if Brian does show improvement in the short term, tours like these seem like the last thing a doctor would recommend for stability and recovery.

With that said, I wonder if the belief that the dates would be rescheduled and not cancelled was helpful for Brian to make the decision to step back at all.

I am glad he is putting his health first.




Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: SonoraDick on June 07, 2019, 08:38:56 AM
From Facebook...

"Today, I read a message shared by my cousin Brian. My heart is swollen with love, compassion, concern, and thoughtful well wishes for a speedy recovery. Brian, you have fought bravely your battle with mental illness, I have no doubts that you will triumph and move gracefully past this speed bump. Let the music that lives deeply inside you carry you to your highest beautiful self, I will carry you in music every night we perform. I am cheering for you!”

I Love You Cuz and I hope and pray to see you soon.

Peace & Love
Cousin Mike"


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 07, 2019, 12:14:41 PM
Looks like Al gave an interview to promote the tour that was published the day before the announcement. From the sound of it, the interview took place prior to any rehearsals, so the interview may be a bit older.

https://www.unionleader.com/nh/arts_and_ent/music/beach-boys-al-jardine-on-seminal-pet-sounds-album-and/article_f65cfcc1-97b9-5635-aede-c686dcae3b51.html

In classic Al fashion, he can't remember the title to "I Know There's an Answer" during the interview....


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 07, 2019, 12:38:07 PM
Total speculation but could tour insurance payouts be a reason for the postponement rather than cancellation at this stage? Surely a postponement is less expensive at this point and probably the preferred option.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 07, 2019, 09:28:38 PM
I hope he's well enough for The Zombies tour...

Considering Brian was probably going to be the opening act this would be the ideal opportunity to try something I suggested a month ago. The Brian Wilson Band With Special Guests Al Jardine and Blondie Chaplin.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: baseball95 on June 08, 2019, 06:02:19 AM
I hope he's well enough for The Zombies tour...

Considering Brian was probably going to be the opening act this would be the ideal opportunity to try something I suggested a month ago. The Brian Wilson Band With Special Guests Al Jardine and Blondie Chaplin.
I love the Zombies but they were definitely the opening act not Brian, even on their reunion tours they’ve only filled venues in the hundreds not the thousands like Brian has. If anything they were co headliners but I’m pretty confident in saying Brian wasn’t the opening act. That being said, i love your idea, give Brian a rest and go on like you said. This isn’t the best example given how things ended but before Gregg Allman died his band toured as the Gregg Allman band without Gregg for almost a year before Gregg ultimately passed.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Tony S on June 08, 2019, 07:23:01 AM
I would have no problem seeing the BW Band with Al and Blondie, but not sure the more casual fan, or many others, would feel the same. Tuf call either way, butI'd go see them for sure.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 08, 2019, 12:03:37 PM
I hope he's well enough for The Zombies tour...

Considering Brian was probably going to be the opening act this would be the ideal opportunity to try something I suggested a month ago. The Brian Wilson Band With Special Guests Al Jardine and Blondie Chaplin.
I love the Zombies but they were definitely the opening act not Brian, even on their reunion tours they’ve only filled venues in the hundreds not the thousands like Brian has. If anything they were co headliners but I’m pretty confident in saying Brian wasn’t the opening act. That being said, i love your idea, give Brian a rest and go on like you said. This isn’t the best example given how things ended but before Gregg Allman died his band toured as the Gregg Allman band without Gregg for almost a year before Gregg ultimately passed.

Fair enough. I thought the Zombies having just been inducted in the HOF may have got the second slot.
Given that you basically have two groups primed to go for what essentially is a short tour (one month), there probably isn’t a lot to loose. Both acts were promoting songs/album from 1968 and that still stands. Brian wasn’t touring them in 1968 anyway so nothings changed really.
I cannot find that Paul McCartney quote from years ago about Brian’s band. “Everyone knows they are the best in the business” or similar. Attach that to the marketing and people would be still interested.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on June 08, 2019, 08:04:28 PM
In the press release it stated that the Zombies would open with a few hits and then "Odyssey and Oracle", followed by Brian Wilson with Beach Boys hits, deep cuts from '68, and solo tracks etc.

If Brian couldn't do the fall leg, it would be amazing to see The Zombies backed by the Brian Wilson Band, and maybe let Alan and a couple of guys do an opening set of early Beach Boy surf songs in a tight combo style. Refunds could be offered, but that's a show I'd go see.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RJM on June 08, 2019, 11:01:26 PM
In the press release it stated that the Zombies would open with a few hits and then "Odyssey and Oracle", followed by Brian Wilson with Beach Boys hits, deep cuts from '68, and solo tracks etc.

If Brian couldn't do the fall leg, it would be amazing to see The Zombies backed by the Brian Wilson Band, and maybe let Alan and a couple of guys do an opening set of early Beach Boy surf songs in a tight combo style. Refunds could be offered, but that's a show I'd go see.

The Zombies are their own self contained band.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 09, 2019, 02:21:53 AM
And a damn good one at that


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RJM on June 09, 2019, 07:36:49 AM
And a damn good one at that

Absosmurfly! We saw them play Oddesey & Oracle in 2017 and 2018 (first half of the show was the current Zombies lineup, second half was O & O with the current lineup plus Chris and Hugh, Chris’ wife on background vocals, and Darian on Moog, mellotron, vocals) and saw the current lineup do a regular Zombies show a few months later.  Rod is jaw droppingly awesome on piano and B3 and Colin’s voice is still sweet and strong. Hopefully this tour will still go on because I think many BB fans would love seeing O & O being played live.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: joe_blow on June 09, 2019, 09:50:48 AM
How about this award winning journalism!

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/celebrity/beach-boys-cancel-summer-tour-but-vancouver-pne-summer-concert-still-on/ar-AACAoiR?li=AAggNb9


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Juice Brohnston on June 09, 2019, 11:40:00 AM
How about this award winning journalism!

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/celebrity/beach-boys-cancel-summer-tour-but-vancouver-pne-summer-concert-still-on/ar-AACAoiR?li=AAggNb9

That's absolutely atrocious and from a major media outlet. Reporter and editor should be fired. I mean, what possible excuse can you have for running that piece???


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on June 09, 2019, 12:28:50 PM
(face plant) :thud


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: roffels on June 09, 2019, 01:16:40 PM
The ticket office ended up charging my card again for a ticket, rather than refunding me.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 09, 2019, 01:51:52 PM
Both Brian’s site and The Zombies still have links to Live Nation and Ticketmaster for the 68 tour. No disclaimers yet so a pretty big call whether or not the 68 tour proceeds.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on June 09, 2019, 07:14:18 PM
Yes, I have seen the Zombies three times and are well aware of how they operate. I'm just speculating on how an extra-special tour could be salvaged of a concerning and disappointing circumstance.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Wrightfan on June 10, 2019, 06:24:21 AM
From Facebook. Seems all the summer dates are off:
"Brian, Melinda and the Wilson family would like to thank all of you for your wonderful notes and good wishes. Brian looks forward to feeling better and seeing you again this Fall. Love & Mercy."


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: B.E. on June 10, 2019, 06:41:35 AM
From Facebook. Seems all the summer dates are off:
"Brian, Melinda and the Wilson family would like to thank all of you for your wonderful notes and good wishes. Brian looks forward to feeling better and seeing you again this Fall. Love & Mercy."

Might they just be referring to rescheduled dates for fans who had tickets to June shows?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 10, 2019, 06:54:54 AM
I would have no problem seeing the BW Band with Al and Blondie, but not sure the more casual fan, or many others, would feel the same. Tuf call either way, butI'd go see them for sure.

There's no way they would try to continue the booking without Brian in attendance. However much we'd love to see Al, Matt, Darian, etc. carry on with the show, and however much an audience would still enjoy a show without Brian there, if Brian didn't show up to a "Brian Wilson" ticketed show, people would complain regardless of how much they may or may not be missing or gaining. Even if the show would be better handing more leads off to Al, etc., and even if a show with Brian there might have him only minimally active on stage, the outcry would be much, much stronger if he wasn't there. It would maybe be different if Brian had formed a band under some band name with Al and Matt and everybody.

I know for years now people have thrown around an idea of a "Brian Wilson Band" tour continuing on without Brian at some point. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it would require some expert promotion and clarification as to what such a band/tour would constitute. The way to start such an enterprise (essentially an authorized tribute show) would *not* be to use it as a replacement for actual "Brian Wilson" shows where he was expected to be there.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: jparis51 on June 10, 2019, 09:04:08 AM
How about this award winning journalism!

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/celebrity/beach-boys-cancel-summer-tour-but-vancouver-pne-summer-concert-still-on/ar-AACAoiR?li=AAggNb9

That's absolutely atrocious and from a major media outlet. Reporter and editor should be fired. I mean, what possible excuse can you have for running that piece???

Sue 'em Mike!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on June 10, 2019, 10:31:09 AM
I would have no problem seeing the BW Band with Al and Blondie, but not sure the more casual fan, or many others, would feel the same. Tuf call either way, butI'd go see them for sure.

There's no way they would try to continue the booking without Brian in attendance. However much we'd love to see Al, Matt, Darian, etc. carry on with the show, and however much an audience would still enjoy a show without Brian there, if Brian didn't show up to a "Brian Wilson" ticketed show, people would complain regardless of how much they may or may not be missing or gaining. Even if the show would be better handing more leads off to Al, etc., and even if a show with Brian there might have him only minimally active on stage, the outcry would be much, much stronger if he wasn't there. It would maybe be different if Brian had formed a band under some band name with Al and Matt and everybody.

I know for years now people have thrown around an idea of a "Brian Wilson Band" tour continuing on without Brian at some point. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it would require some expert promotion and clarification as to what such a band/tour would constitute. The way to start such an enterprise (essentially an authorized tribute show) would *not* be to use it as a replacement for actual "Brian Wilson" shows where he was expected to be there.

Agreed, that would be a non-starter. I certainly understand the wish to have the tour continue, but Brian has built up a considerable brand over the years as a solo artist and something like the scenario described would damage it much more than just postponing some shows.



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 10, 2019, 11:35:41 AM
I would have no problem seeing the BW Band with Al and Blondie, but not sure the more casual fan, or many others, would feel the same. Tuf call either way, butI'd go see them for sure.

There's no way they would try to continue the booking without Brian in attendance. However much we'd love to see Al, Matt, Darian, etc. carry on with the show, and however much an audience would still enjoy a show without Brian there, if Brian didn't show up to a "Brian Wilson" ticketed show, people would complain regardless of how much they may or may not be missing or gaining. Even if the show would be better handing more leads off to Al, etc., and even if a show with Brian there might have him only minimally active on stage, the outcry would be much, much stronger if he wasn't there. It would maybe be different if Brian had formed a band under some band name with Al and Matt and everybody.

I know for years now people have thrown around an idea of a "Brian Wilson Band" tour continuing on without Brian at some point. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it would require some expert promotion and clarification as to what such a band/tour would constitute. The way to start such an enterprise (essentially an authorized tribute show) would *not* be to use it as a replacement for actual "Brian Wilson" shows where he was expected to be there.

Agreed, that would be a non-starter. I certainly understand the wish to have the tour continue, but Brian has built up a considerable brand over the years as a solo artist and something like the scenario described would damage it much more than just postponing some shows.



I wouldn't even worry so much about Brian's "brand" being directly damaged. It would just be more of a legal/PR issue for the promoters, venues, and the people still in the band. After Al was unfairly maligned (in my opinion) back in 1999 with his Family & Friends band, I certainly don't think he needs to see any similar stuff coming up trying to go out in Brian's place.

Considering I just caught quickly in passing a *huge* PBS special devoted to a Pink Floyd tribute band, I have to think there would be a market for a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" sort of show, especially with his celebrated backing band plus some extra other Beach Boys. I recognize part of how a Pink Floyd tribute band can be so successful is that Pink Floyd hasn't doing 150 shows per year, every year, for 50 years. There's more thirst for live Floyd music than BBs given how much Mike and Brian have been touring especially lately. There were a couple years there where Brian and Mike combined were probably doing 250-300 shows per year.  Nevertheless, I think a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" show with Al and Blondie (and maybe Dave) plus Brian's band could book venues larger than the clubs Al's solo tour is doing.

I'm not trying to sidestep the prospect of Brian bouncing back to do more shows. But even if he tours several more times, what happens after is something worth chewing on. A few folks have said some of Brian's band have been loosely pitched this scenario, and it sounds like some would go for it while others maybe not.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on June 10, 2019, 12:29:40 PM
Is it too late for the Zombies to find another act to share the  show with? Ray Davies? Dave Davies? Denny Laine? Paul McCartney?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 10, 2019, 01:22:27 PM
Is it too late for the Zombies to find another act to share the  show with? Ray Davies? Dave Davies? Denny Laine? Paul McCartney?

Brian Wilson was apparently the headliner, so I don't think they would be likely to keep the bookings and replace Brian with another act.

However, I'd have to guess Zombies management is having some discussions with Brian's management at this point, because they *could* look to reschedule an alternate tour (smaller venues by themselves, or pairing up with someone else) in order to not just be out of work for that month when they anticipated working.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 10, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
Personally I think The Zombies with 4 original members reunited was the draw for many this tour.
Simple solution at this late stage. Same venues, Make it clear it’s Brian’s Band with Al and Blondie, The Zombies headline.Refunds offered if that’s not acceptable.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 10, 2019, 02:17:10 PM
Personally I think The Zombies with 4 original members reunited was the draw for many this tour.
Simple solution at this late stage. Same venues, Make it clear it’s Brian’s Band with Al and Blondie, The Zombies headline.Refunds offered if that’s not acceptable.

I wasn't closely following the tour, but folks have said the plan was that Brian was headlining. He was at the top of the poster. I think Brian has generally played larger venues on his own than the Zombies have played on their own. I'm sure they were both draws, hence the pairing.

But, while anything is possible, I would doubt they would or could just do the tour without Brian there. A lot of people buy tickets and never give it another thought until they go to the show. There would invariably be people who show up and hear Brian isn't there and ask for refunds. Promoters/venues don't want that happening literally as the show is starting; they can't sell the tickets at that point to someone else.

If someone can provide some good examples of a solo artist touring under their own name proceeding to keep tour bookings but while sending their band without themselves, I'd be interested to see.

Most *bands* won't do shows if a core/key member can't do the gig. The BBs used to do shows if any one of Mike, Carl, or Al missed a show, and that was a pretty unique exception based on their relentless touring.

Yes, having Al and Blondie on the bill *seems* to make it an easier prospect to continue on without Brian. Us big fans dig Al and Blondie, and we're aware that Al, Blondie, Matt, and Darian vocally carry some of the leads for Brian already. But trust me, it's a big difference when it's an "Al Jardine" show. Brian books theaters and other venues in the several thousand per show on his own. Al Jardine books clubs that seat a few hundred at the most. I would imagine Blondie would be a similar or smaller draw.

To be clear, I've been wishing for years to just see Al front Brian's band and do a setlist of deep cuts and Al-centric tracks, with Matt and Darian and Blondie also singing. Yes, essentially a Brian show without Brian, with perhaps a different setlist focus. But look at Al's history of trying to book gigs on his own. "Jardine & Chaplin" can't book Radio City Music Hall.

I suppose they could reformat the tour to a "Zombies" tour with the Brian-less band as more of an "opening act" sort of thing. But Brian's band is too expensive for what would be a surely much smaller profit split, and you'd still have the problem of people getting a show vastly different from what they paid for.

They can cancel and then re-book new shows and attempt to do anything they want of course.

My guess is that either these shows go on as planned if Brian can do them, or the shows will be canceled and the Zombies will try to pair up with another act to do the package tour, and will have to start from scratch selling tickets. Which is why I'd imagine they probably don't want to and/or can't wait two more months just to find out whether the tour might happen. But we shall see of course.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 10, 2019, 02:55:10 PM
HeyJude wrote’If someone can provide some good examples of a solo artist touring under their own name proceeding to keep tour bookings but while sending their band without themselves, I'd be interested to see.’

TBH I haven’t seriously classed Brian as a ‘solo’ touring artist since 2011 given the leads he has given away, but I see your point.
The only comparison off the top of my head was a group. AC/DC losing Brian Johnson and having Axl Rose take over lead. A much bigger tour financially.

Don’t get me wrong, common sense would be to cancel, and if it was just Brian and his own band that would be the likelihood. But here we have a tour reasonably advanced logistics wise. A second band on pretty much a double bill rather than a headliner. Both were promoted as playing works from 1968.

Between the 2 groups I am guessing we have 6 members in their late 70s. This was always on the cards and not to have a contingency plan would be poor management IMO.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: joe_blow on June 10, 2019, 03:12:14 PM
I recall hearing about Gene Vincent having a fill in for some dates in Japan, and fans apparently not knowing he was absent:

Despite the final split of the Blue Caps and a lapsed contract with the McLemore Agency, Gene continued to tour extensively. He would either use pick-up bands or The Silhouettes whose drummer, Clayton Watson, introduced Gene to guitarist Jerry Merritt. Merritt became a close friend of Gene and the pair began to tour California and the northwest states. In the summer of 1959 Gene and Jerry took on a three week tour of Japan. Their arrival at Tokyo airport was greeted by over 10,000 ecstatic fans and similar frenzied scenes accompanied each sell-out house throughout the tour. Gene left early and Jerry impersonated Gene for the last three dates. Following their return from Japan, recording dates were arranged at the Capitol Tower for early August.

http://www.rockabillyhall.com/gvbio.html


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: baseball95 on June 10, 2019, 04:30:52 PM
The Gregg Allman Band toured all of 2016 while Gregg was ill without Gregg and played the same venues they originally booked. Now at this point Gregg was more and opening act/club act like Al is now but that’s still a recent example.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on June 10, 2019, 05:26:01 PM
The Gregg Allman Band toured all of 2016 while
Gregg was ill without Gregg and played the same venues they originally booked. Now at this point Gregg was more and opening act/club act like Al is now but that’s still a recent example.

 Interesting, that is indeed an example I suppose. Although was Greg touring with "band" in the billed name as an artist? Brian performs just under his name, and not with any other words attached to it, which may make for a more tricky situation in how it is perceived.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 11, 2019, 06:33:21 AM
HeyJude wrote’If someone can provide some good examples of a solo artist touring under their own name proceeding to keep tour bookings but while sending their band without themselves, I'd be interested to see.’

TBH I haven’t seriously classed Brian as a ‘solo’ touring artist since 2011 given the leads he has given away, but I see your point.
The only comparison off the top of my head was a group. AC/DC losing Brian Johnson and having Axl Rose take over lead. A much bigger tour financially.

Don’t get me wrong, common sense would be to cancel, and if it was just Brian and his own band that would be the likelihood. But here we have a tour reasonably advanced logistics wise. A second band on pretty much a double bill rather than a headliner. Both were promoted as playing works from 1968.

Between the 2 groups I am guessing we have 6 members in their late 70s. This was always on the cards and not to have a contingency plan would be poor management IMO.

Oh definitely, I think us fans realize that, especially post-C50 with Al and Blondie (and Dave in 2013) in the band, and Darian and Matt (or others) singing more leads, Brian's show has morphed from a true "solo" show as it was in 1999 and into the early 2000s into more of a "group" show. I hesitate to call it a defacto "Beach Boys" show, as Brian's show is more focused on songs he has written (he ignores most BB hits he didn't write or co-write), but it's definitely very much a "Brian Wilson Band" show, and it undeniably fills a similar segment of the marketplace as a "Beach Boys" show. So, as I've been saying, I think we as fans wouldn't see it necessarily as a deal breaker to do the gigs without Brian from a musical/lead vocal standpoint.

But, even with Brian handing off a number of leads to four other guys in his band, they've never moved to call it anything but "Brian Wilson." Most shows don't even co-bill Al (they occasionally have, although I think that has more to do with individual venues; only one ticket I've bought actually says "Brian Wilson & Al Jardine"). It's billed and sold as a "Brian Wilson" concert with "special guests" even after Al has been a full-time member for 5-6 years and plays the entire gig on stage. I would imagine they have done this not only to keep the prestige of Brian's name, but to also allow for them to be able to do shows without Al and Blondie if needed.

But they've never changed the name of the act. They didn't go out as "Wilson-Jardine-Marks" in 2013 or something.

And, not to downplay Brian's role at all, but even going all the way back to 1976, there has been some value and mystique to simply *seeing* Brian on stage in person. I think even in 2019 after he's been touring much more, many casual as well as more-than-casual-but-less-than-hardcore fans buy tickets to *see* him on stage and be in his presence.

While super hardcore Brian-centric fans have warmed to Al (and Blondie), I recall back in 1999-2000 and into the 2000s that some of those super Brian-specific fans weren't super focused on Al Jardine. They may not have gone to Al shows, and even when Al popped up in 2006/07 at some Brian shows, while *I* was stunned and pleasantly surprised, some Brian fans didn't seem to be that impressed and some were even annoyed back then that Al was taking up space on leads in the show (despite being given few leads on that tour and not being given a ton to do; at one point in the 06/07 show for "Marcella", Bennett would come up front to play guitar and Al was stuck in the side/back of the stage playing tambourine).

In any event, we have to remember that there are a good amount of casual (but not as casual as, say, much of the clientele at a Mike show) fans who buy BW tickets and would not buy the tickets if he wasn't there. It's a bummer, but I think that's how it is.

I'm sure all management factions in the BB world have given thought to scenarios where people become temporarily or permanently infirm to where they can't tour anymore. But I think the contingency is just to not book more tours if that comes to pass, or if it happens after a tour is booked, to postpone or cancel shows. Not much else they can do.

Do they have further contingencies? Probably not, for better or worse. I doubt Brian's management has a Brian-less "Brian Wilson Orchestra" fully mapped-out and ready-to-execute plan. Mike would, I can only guess, have probably given some passing thought to what happens after he's out. But that's really at that point not a Mike decision but a BRI corporate decision in terms of the BB name. I've long guessed, based on things I've heard and just my own sense, that there may be a few folks floating around these orbs who could be angling to continue with a "Beach Boys" license without any original members. But they wouldn't be lobbying hard to do so ("Hey, BRI, I'm here when the Beach Boys are all dead!"), but rather would try to just stay close to a member and make themselves as valuable as possible to that organization.

That's of course then not getting into the whole "holograms" thing which apparently is gaining popularity and has seen pretty minimal backlash from fans or critics. Mike was asked about that in an interview not too long ago, and he seemed to not be outright opposed to it.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 11, 2019, 06:39:36 AM
AC/DC, Gene Vincent, and the Gregg Allman band are all interesting examples, and all different.

AC/DC switching lead singers is really a case, perhaps one of very few cases in this age, of a band treating itself the way a band would have decades ago. Meaning, invoking members as "core" members and replacing them the way Roth was replaced by Hagar, or Ozzy was replaced by Dio, etc. Meaning, whereas usually these days when a band gets a new lead singer, say with Journey or Chicago, they don't seek out a Hagar type replacement of equal stature, but instead back-fill the band with a tribute band singer or other unknown who is simply salaried. While Axl Rose was likely financially simply "salaried" for his AC/DC tours, he was more of a high profile "name" replacement. Another recent somewhat similar example would be Fleetwood Mac replacing Buckingham with Mike Campbell and Neil Finn.

The Gene Vincent example is apparently a very early-era example of a pre-internet, casual audience being unknowingly defrauded. A bit similar to the fake "Zombies" that were sent out back in the early 70s or whenever that was.

I'm not a Gregg Allmann band expert, but that example sounds the closest to what it would be like if Brian's tour continued without him. It's still a bit different, as Allmann's band has a "band" name. But, if up to that point that band included its namesake, then that would be a similar scenario.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: relx on June 11, 2019, 09:55:41 AM
Re: The Gene Vincent example, that kind of thing was likely easier to do back in the days before the internet, when major artists weren't as physically recognizable to a large majority of fans. There is a story in Mark Moore's book The Jan & Dean Record about a J&D show back in the 1960s where Dean for some reason, didn't show up. I don't recall the specific details, but Jan played the show, and I think had someone stand on stage and pretend to be Dean, and no one knew or cared. As I said, you could get away with that back then, but even by the 70s, people wanted the actual artists on stage. Jan himself got into trouble touring with a fake Dean, and there is also the famous example where a fake Deep Purple played a few shows in 1980 with Rod Evans, the original lead singer who hadn't been in the back since the late 1960s, and four other hired musicians, and there were lawsuits and fan backlash. Despite how little he might contribute to a show these days, its not a Brian Wilson show without Brian present. I also don't think we will ever have a Brian Wilson Orchestra type scenario. At some point in the next few years, neither Brian nor Mike will be touring, and there will probably just be a "Beach Boys" touring. I can't really see a scenario where there is a Brian Wilson Orchestra AND The Beach Boys touring separately.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Jay on June 11, 2019, 11:18:18 AM
I would go see a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" show, as long as they made clear that Brian wouldn't be there, and it would essentially be a "Tribute" type of show. But I'd want it to be the "original" band from 1999 to the early 2000's...which would include Scott Bennett, among the others. I know, I know....that's a very controversial thing to say or even think about.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 11, 2019, 11:49:57 AM
I would go see a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" show, as long as they made clear that Brian wouldn't be there, and it would essentially be a "Tribute" type of show. But I'd want it to be the "original" band from 1999 to the early 2000's...which would include Scott Bennett, among the others. I know, I know....that's a very controversial thing to say or even think about.

I don't think Bennett's on-stage contribution was or is integral enough to *need* him to be on stage. The band had enough changes just in the first couple of years that I don't feel a need for a replication of that original lineup. I don't need Joe Thomas and Steve Dahl, and I think D'Amico is as good on drums as Hines or Sucherman were. I might actually prefer D'Amico. I think Lizik is a fine bassist but has never been super to my taste, so if, say, Al fronted an amalgamation of BW backing guys, I wouldn't mind him bringing along Ed Carter or something like that.

I think Al (in conjunction with maybe Blondie and/or Marks) could front a pared-down version of Brian's band that's more affordable, consisting of Al, Matt, Darian, Probyn, D'Amico, some bassist (Carter or Lizik, etc.), and maybe one more ancillary guy to play keys and/or guitar. All of Brian's guys are great, but I think a slimmed-down Al-fronted tour could work without an extra percussionist, guitarist, keyboardist, and woodwind player, especially if he did a bit more Al-centric and Brother-era material and a bit less of the Summer Days/Pet Sounds sort of stuff.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 11, 2019, 11:56:22 AM
Re: The Gene Vincent example, that kind of thing was likely easier to do back in the days before the internet, when major artists weren't as physically recognizable to a large majority of fans. There is a story in Mark Moore's book The Jan & Dean Record about a J&D show back in the 1960s where Dean for some reason, didn't show up. I don't recall the specific details, but Jan played the show, and I think had someone stand on stage and pretend to be Dean, and no one knew or cared. As I said, you could get away with that back then, but even by the 70s, people wanted the actual artists on stage. Jan himself got into trouble touring with a fake Dean, and there is also the famous example where a fake Deep Purple played a few shows in 1980 with Rod Evans, the original lead singer who hadn't been in the back since the late 1960s, and four other hired musicians, and there were lawsuits and fan backlash. Despite how little he might contribute to a show these days, its not a Brian Wilson show without Brian present. I also don't think we will ever have a Brian Wilson Orchestra type scenario. At some point in the next few years, neither Brian nor Mike will be touring, and there will probably just be a "Beach Boys" touring. I can't really see a scenario where there is a Brian Wilson Orchestra AND The Beach Boys touring separately.

Considering how there are *numerous* off-shoot bands with ex BB/Brian/Al backing guys touring right now, I think we would absolutely see some of Brian and Mike's backing guys keep working in that field.

Whether they'd actually do a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" sort of show, I dunno. It would require permission to be billed that way.

I could easily see them forgoing having to pay out a license, and just do a "California Surf, Inc."/"Papa Doo Run Run"/"Surf City All Stars", etc. sort of thing. Those off-shoot bands right now already have Ed Carter, Bobby Figueroa, Sterling Smith, Randell Kirsch, recently Christian Love, Billy Hinsche, and Matt Jardine and Probyn Gregory when they're not out with Brian, plus Adrian Baker, and I think Bardowell and Farmer still gig in those similar circles. Foskett moonlighted with Brian and Papa Doo Run Run for a while there in the 2000s I believe.

If a licensed "Beach Boys" continued with no original members, I could easily see either a BW-licensed "orchestra" band touring, and/or a continuation of the Papa Doo Run Run-esque bands.

I'm amazed these "Papa" type bands get so many bookings when there is a licensed "Beach Boys" touring right now 150 shows per year. But much like the later era of Jan & Dean, these bands are basically for cases where you've got a fundraiser or a corporate party and can't afford the 50 or 100K or whatever it might be for Mike's band.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 11, 2019, 02:31:29 PM
No Brian, no interest from me as far as a "Brian Wilson" show goes.
I'd go see Al at a solo gig though


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 11, 2019, 02:45:41 PM
All good points, and hopefully irrelevant if Brian recovers by the end of August.

Having said that, in hindsight perhaps in the last 5 years the tours should have been promoted as ‘Brian Wilson’s Band’?

It actually is their Facebook title.  https://m.facebook.com/Brian.Wilson.Band/



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Jay on June 11, 2019, 06:05:36 PM
I would go see a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" show, as long as they made clear that Brian wouldn't be there, and it would essentially be a "Tribute" type of show. But I'd want it to be the "original" band from 1999 to the early 2000's...which would include Scott Bennett, among the others. I know, I know....that's a very controversial thing to say or even think about.

I don't think Bennett's on-stage contribution was or is integral enough to *need* him to be on stage. The band had enough changes just in the first couple of years that I don't feel a need for a replication of that original lineup. I don't need Joe Thomas and Steve Dahl, and I think D'Amico is as good on drums as Hines or Sucherman were. I might actually prefer D'Amico. I think Lizik is a fine bassist but has never been super to my taste, so if, say, Al fronted an amalgamation of BW backing guys, I wouldn't mind him bringing along Ed Carter or something like that.

I think Al (in conjunction with maybe Blondie and/or Marks) could front a pared-down version of Brian's band that's more affordable, consisting of Al, Matt, Darian, Probyn, D'Amico, some bassist (Carter or Lizik, etc.), and maybe one more ancillary guy to play keys and/or guitar. All of Brian's guys are great, but I think a slimmed-down Al-fronted tour could work without an extra percussionist, guitarist, keyboardist, and woodwind player, especially if he did a bit more Al-centric and Brother-era material and a bit less of the Summer Days/Pet Sounds sort of stuff.
My comments on Scott are based on some YouTube videos, now no longer available unfortunately. Watching the interplay between Scott and Taylor during Marcella was part of the fun in watching it. He's also a damn good guitar player.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: startBBtoday on June 11, 2019, 07:21:33 PM
I would go see a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" show, as long as they made clear that Brian wouldn't be there, and it would essentially be a "Tribute" type of show. But I'd want it to be the "original" band from 1999 to the early 2000's...which would include Scott Bennett, among the others. I know, I know....that's a very controversial thing to say or even think about.

I don't think Bennett's on-stage contribution was or is integral enough to *need* him to be on stage. The band had enough changes just in the first couple of years that I don't feel a need for a replication of that original lineup. I don't need Joe Thomas and Steve Dahl, and I think D'Amico is as good on drums as Hines or Sucherman were. I might actually prefer D'Amico. I think Lizik is a fine bassist but has never been super to my taste, so if, say, Al fronted an amalgamation of BW backing guys, I wouldn't mind him bringing along Ed Carter or something like that.

I think Al (in conjunction with maybe Blondie and/or Marks) could front a pared-down version of Brian's band that's more affordable, consisting of Al, Matt, Darian, Probyn, D'Amico, some bassist (Carter or Lizik, etc.), and maybe one more ancillary guy to play keys and/or guitar. All of Brian's guys are great, but I think a slimmed-down Al-fronted tour could work without an extra percussionist, guitarist, keyboardist, and woodwind player, especially if he did a bit more Al-centric and Brother-era material and a bit less of the Summer Days/Pet Sounds sort of stuff.
My comments on Scott are based on some YouTube videos, now no longer available unfortunately. Watching the interplay between Scott and Taylor during Marcella was part of the fun in watching it. He's also a damn good guitar player.

He's also a convicted rapist, so why are we even going down this road?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on June 11, 2019, 07:30:04 PM
I would go see a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" show, as long as they made clear that Brian wouldn't be there, and it would essentially be a "Tribute" type of show. But I'd want it to be the "original" band from 1999 to the early 2000's...which would include Scott Bennett, among the others. I know, I know....that's a very controversial thing to say or even think about.

I don't think Bennett's on-stage contribution was or is integral enough to *need* him to be on stage. The band had enough changes just in the first couple of years that I don't feel a need for a replication of that original lineup. I don't need Joe Thomas and Steve Dahl, and I think D'Amico is as good on drums as Hines or Sucherman were. I might actually prefer D'Amico. I think Lizik is a fine bassist but has never been super to my taste, so if, say, Al fronted an amalgamation of BW backing guys, I wouldn't mind him bringing along Ed Carter or something like that.

I think Al (in conjunction with maybe Blondie and/or Marks) could front a pared-down version of Brian's band that's more affordable, consisting of Al, Matt, Darian, Probyn, D'Amico, some bassist (Carter or Lizik, etc.), and maybe one more ancillary guy to play keys and/or guitar. All of Brian's guys are great, but I think a slimmed-down Al-fronted tour could work without an extra percussionist, guitarist, keyboardist, and woodwind player, especially if he did a bit more Al-centric and Brother-era material and a bit less of the Summer Days/Pet Sounds sort of stuff.
My comments on Scott are based on some YouTube videos, now no longer available unfortunately. Watching the interplay between Scott and Taylor during Marcella was part of the fun in watching it. He's also a damn good guitar player.

He's also a convicted rapist, so why are we even going down this road?

This is by no means a defense for Scott's actions. Consider the notion that video surveillance were as prevelant in the 60's-80's as it is now. Where would Mike Love and Dennis Wilson be now?

I'll just leave that there.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Jim V. on June 11, 2019, 09:14:44 PM
I would go see a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" show, as long as they made clear that Brian wouldn't be there, and it would essentially be a "Tribute" type of show. But I'd want it to be the "original" band from 1999 to the early 2000's...which would include Scott Bennett, among the others. I know, I know....that's a very controversial thing to say or even think about.

I don't think Bennett's on-stage contribution was or is integral enough to *need* him to be on stage. The band had enough changes just in the first couple of years that I don't feel a need for a replication of that original lineup. I don't need Joe Thomas and Steve Dahl, and I think D'Amico is as good on drums as Hines or Sucherman were. I might actually prefer D'Amico. I think Lizik is a fine bassist but has never been super to my taste, so if, say, Al fronted an amalgamation of BW backing guys, I wouldn't mind him bringing along Ed Carter or something like that.

I think Al (in conjunction with maybe Blondie and/or Marks) could front a pared-down version of Brian's band that's more affordable, consisting of Al, Matt, Darian, Probyn, D'Amico, some bassist (Carter or Lizik, etc.), and maybe one more ancillary guy to play keys and/or guitar. All of Brian's guys are great, but I think a slimmed-down Al-fronted tour could work without an extra percussionist, guitarist, keyboardist, and woodwind player, especially if he did a bit more Al-centric and Brother-era material and a bit less of the Summer Days/Pet Sounds sort of stuff.
My comments on Scott are based on some YouTube videos, now no longer available unfortunately. Watching the interplay between Scott and Taylor during Marcella was part of the fun in watching it. He's also a damn good guitar player.

He's also a convicted rapist, so why are we even going down this road?

This is by no means a defense for Scott's actions. Consider the notion that video surveillance were as prevelant in the 60's-80's as it is now. Where would Mike Love and Dennis Wilson be now?

I'll just leave that there.


There's been some....iffy....stuff said about the guys from time to time, but I think this is too much RubberSoul. I personally think you are usually a great poster, but this is beyond the pale. I think at the very least we can give Mike and Denny the benefit of the doubt that they aren't rapists.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 12, 2019, 06:37:10 AM
I would go see a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" show, as long as they made clear that Brian wouldn't be there, and it would essentially be a "Tribute" type of show. But I'd want it to be the "original" band from 1999 to the early 2000's...which would include Scott Bennett, among the others. I know, I know....that's a very controversial thing to say or even think about.

I don't think Bennett's on-stage contribution was or is integral enough to *need* him to be on stage. The band had enough changes just in the first couple of years that I don't feel a need for a replication of that original lineup. I don't need Joe Thomas and Steve Dahl, and I think D'Amico is as good on drums as Hines or Sucherman were. I might actually prefer D'Amico. I think Lizik is a fine bassist but has never been super to my taste, so if, say, Al fronted an amalgamation of BW backing guys, I wouldn't mind him bringing along Ed Carter or something like that.

I think Al (in conjunction with maybe Blondie and/or Marks) could front a pared-down version of Brian's band that's more affordable, consisting of Al, Matt, Darian, Probyn, D'Amico, some bassist (Carter or Lizik, etc.), and maybe one more ancillary guy to play keys and/or guitar. All of Brian's guys are great, but I think a slimmed-down Al-fronted tour could work without an extra percussionist, guitarist, keyboardist, and woodwind player, especially if he did a bit more Al-centric and Brother-era material and a bit less of the Summer Days/Pet Sounds sort of stuff.
My comments on Scott are based on some YouTube videos, now no longer available unfortunately. Watching the interplay between Scott and Taylor during Marcella was part of the fun in watching it. He's also a damn good guitar player.

I don't think anybody who has circulated through Brian's band has been anything but a good musician and singer (in cases where they sing).

I just think, looking at this even rather dispassionately, we fans have the luxury of not having to pine for Bennett to be in the band because he was never *that* integral to the live band. I saw him many, many times with Brian. I had a few minor complaints (lodged way before all the controversy), mostly involving his penchant for egging people on to stand for the entire show, thus blocking people who didn't want to stand. I also always found his leads (e.g. "Sail on Sailor") to be extremely bland.

Similarly, Taylor Mills was a fine vocalist, but the band has done fine without her.

But I think Brian built up such a great band that they were and are able to move constituent parts in and out. Darian and Matt (and to some degree Al) may be among the most integral parts of Brian's band, and they've even pulled off excellent shows without Darian or Matt.

If like half of the band had all dropped out at once, that may have been a problem. But they've had surprisingly little turnover for a 20-year-old backing band from year to year.

So with Bennett, I think, from a slightly selfish fan perspective, we have the luxury of not having to feel like we would have a better live show if we could only ignore or get past the obviously complicated issue of whether to bring someone in that situation back.

And frankly, even if he was more integral than I feel he was, there would just be a ton of personal, professional, and logistical problems bringing him back. In most cases where someone is convicted of a felony while either "on the job" or on location for the purposes of performing a job, they would not be rehired into that position.

Read Jeff Foskett's late 90s interview about his 1990 exit from the touring Beach Boys. He *didn't* commit any crime, yet he admits he was behaving in a way that caused problems within the organization, and he was asked to leave and it took nearly 25 years before he got back in with Mike Love again.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 12, 2019, 06:41:51 AM
I would go see a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" show, as long as they made clear that Brian wouldn't be there, and it would essentially be a "Tribute" type of show. But I'd want it to be the "original" band from 1999 to the early 2000's...which would include Scott Bennett, among the others. I know, I know....that's a very controversial thing to say or even think about.

I don't think Bennett's on-stage contribution was or is integral enough to *need* him to be on stage. The band had enough changes just in the first couple of years that I don't feel a need for a replication of that original lineup. I don't need Joe Thomas and Steve Dahl, and I think D'Amico is as good on drums as Hines or Sucherman were. I might actually prefer D'Amico. I think Lizik is a fine bassist but has never been super to my taste, so if, say, Al fronted an amalgamation of BW backing guys, I wouldn't mind him bringing along Ed Carter or something like that.

I think Al (in conjunction with maybe Blondie and/or Marks) could front a pared-down version of Brian's band that's more affordable, consisting of Al, Matt, Darian, Probyn, D'Amico, some bassist (Carter or Lizik, etc.), and maybe one more ancillary guy to play keys and/or guitar. All of Brian's guys are great, but I think a slimmed-down Al-fronted tour could work without an extra percussionist, guitarist, keyboardist, and woodwind player, especially if he did a bit more Al-centric and Brother-era material and a bit less of the Summer Days/Pet Sounds sort of stuff.
My comments on Scott are based on some YouTube videos, now no longer available unfortunately. Watching the interplay between Scott and Taylor during Marcella was part of the fun in watching it. He's also a damn good guitar player.

He's also a convicted rapist, so why are we even going down this road?

This is by no means a defense for Scott's actions. Consider the notion that video surveillance were as prevelant in the 60's-80's as it is now. Where would Mike Love and Dennis Wilson be now?

I'll just leave that there.


There's been some....iffy....stuff said about the guys from time to time, but I think this is too much RubberSoul. I personally think you are usually a great poster, but this is beyond the pale. I think at the very least can give Mike and Denny the benefit of the doubt that they aren't rapists.

Yeah, this angle was attempted by someone back when the Bennett story was breaking, trying to imply similar *theoretical* actions from BB members, and such a supposition is really a non-starter and tends to just blow up the whole conversation.

I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing Bennett's situation, especially as it pertains to his past work with the Brian/BB organizations, and that would also include theoreticals about the future as well. But I think the conversation has to stay rather pragmatic and sort of dispassionate.

If folks want to just argue the legal/moral issues surrounding Bennett's case and such crimes/convictions in general outside of the Brian/BB orb, it's probably best to go to the Bennett thread in the sandbox.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on June 12, 2019, 06:49:26 AM
I continue to get emails pushing Brian's September shows. The September 27th Waterbury CT show even includes a statement that the show will not be impacted by the June cancellations. I understand why they need to keep selling tickets but man, it is kind of a weird situation.

That is a mighty block of September shows, with a lot of travel involved. Even if Brian gets to a better place in the next month or two I would have concerns whether soldiering on with the tour is the best thing to do.



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on June 12, 2019, 01:14:57 PM
I would go see a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" show, as long as they made clear that Brian wouldn't be there, and it would essentially be a "Tribute" type of show. But I'd want it to be the "original" band from 1999 to the early 2000's...which would include Scott Bennett, among the others. I know, I know....that's a very controversial thing to say or even think about.

I don't think Bennett's on-stage contribution was or is integral enough to *need* him to be on stage. The band had enough changes just in the first couple of years that I don't feel a need for a replication of that original lineup. I don't need Joe Thomas and Steve Dahl, and I think D'Amico is as good on drums as Hines or Sucherman were. I might actually prefer D'Amico. I think Lizik is a fine bassist but has never been super to my taste, so if, say, Al fronted an amalgamation of BW backing guys, I wouldn't mind him bringing along Ed Carter or something like that.

I think Al (in conjunction with maybe Blondie and/or Marks) could front a pared-down version of Brian's band that's more affordable, consisting of Al, Matt, Darian, Probyn, D'Amico, some bassist (Carter or Lizik, etc.), and maybe one more ancillary guy to play keys and/or guitar. All of Brian's guys are great, but I think a slimmed-down Al-fronted tour could work without an extra percussionist, guitarist, keyboardist, and woodwind player, especially if he did a bit more Al-centric and Brother-era material and a bit less of the Summer Days/Pet Sounds sort of stuff.
My comments on Scott are based on some YouTube videos, now no longer available unfortunately. Watching the interplay between Scott and Taylor during Marcella was part of the fun in watching it. He's also a damn good guitar player.

He's also a convicted rapist, so why are we even going down this road?

This is by no means a defense for Scott's actions. Consider the notion that video surveillance were as prevelant in the 60's-80's as it is now. Where would Mike Love and Dennis Wilson be now?

I'll just leave that there.


There's been some....iffy....stuff said about the guys from time to time, but I think this is too much RubberSoul. I personally think you are usually a great poster, but this is beyond the pale. I think at the very least we can give Mike and Denny the benefit of the doubt that they aren't rapists.

I didn't call them rapists. But imagine if all their waking actions were documented as so many are today. Surely something somewhere along the checkered past for these in particular would've been highlighted in the wrong (or maybe right) light. I'd say the same for at least three quarters of the Beatles.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Rocker on June 12, 2019, 01:23:12 PM
I would go see a "Brian Wilson Orchestra" show, as long as they made clear that Brian wouldn't be there, and it would essentially be a "Tribute" type of show. But I'd want it to be the "original" band from 1999 to the early 2000's...which would include Scott Bennett, among the others. I know, I know....that's a very controversial thing to say or even think about.

I don't think Bennett's on-stage contribution was or is integral enough to *need* him to be on stage. The band had enough changes just in the first couple of years that I don't feel a need for a replication of that original lineup. I don't need Joe Thomas and Steve Dahl, and I think D'Amico is as good on drums as Hines or Sucherman were. I might actually prefer D'Amico. I think Lizik is a fine bassist but has never been super to my taste, so if, say, Al fronted an amalgamation of BW backing guys, I wouldn't mind him bringing along Ed Carter or something like that.

I think Al (in conjunction with maybe Blondie and/or Marks) could front a pared-down version of Brian's band that's more affordable, consisting of Al, Matt, Darian, Probyn, D'Amico, some bassist (Carter or Lizik, etc.), and maybe one more ancillary guy to play keys and/or guitar. All of Brian's guys are great, but I think a slimmed-down Al-fronted tour could work without an extra percussionist, guitarist, keyboardist, and woodwind player, especially if he did a bit more Al-centric and Brother-era material and a bit less of the Summer Days/Pet Sounds sort of stuff.
My comments on Scott are based on some YouTube videos, now no longer available unfortunately. Watching the interplay between Scott and Taylor during Marcella was part of the fun in watching it. He's also a damn good guitar player.

He's also a convicted rapist, so why are we even going down this road?

This is by no means a defense for Scott's actions. Consider the notion that video surveillance were as prevelant in the 60's-80's as it is now. Where would Mike Love and Dennis Wilson be now?

I'll just leave that there.


There's been some....iffy....stuff said about the guys from time to time, but I think this is too much RubberSoul. I personally think you are usually a great poster, but this is beyond the pale. I think at the very least we can give Mike and Denny the benefit of the doubt that they aren't rapists.

I didn't call them rapists. But imagine if all their waking actions were documented as so many are today. Surely something somewhere along the checkered past for these in particular would've been highlighted in the wrong (or maybe right) light. I'd say the same for at least three quarters of the Beatles.



I think you are correct. IIRC Dennis even was arrested by the police for having a minor in his suite around '79. Maybe also for giving her drugs, but I could be confusing that with a story about Presley in '73.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 12, 2019, 01:58:03 PM
Nothing against Rocker, but that is quite a accusation to make when you do not even know the actual accused.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: twentytwenty on June 14, 2019, 01:17:58 PM
The Brian Wilson band presents: The Al & Blondie Show

Just listen to the Al & Blondie parts of that BeachLife show.. It would be an amazing show!

...but I would like Bonfiglio instead of Matt


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 14, 2019, 02:44:56 PM
Matt is better filling the BBesque falsettos and other high parts as well as the Brian leads.

But Bonfiglio was good; stick him in the band too...


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on June 14, 2019, 02:57:30 PM
It just struck me...why attempt to attach Brian's name to the ensemble in terms of ownership? That's the part that gets misleading...one expect to see so-and-so's band, if it's called their band...however, if they were to do something like "Surf's Up: Remembering the Music of Brian Wilson Feat. Al Jardine & Blondie Chaplin"...that might be more sensible (although by no means concise). A title like that also maintains the "beach" theme while speaking to the likes of us crawling about here that the full catalog would be represented with later/deeper cuts. However, I don't foresee Blondie being part of something like this after Brian is no longer on the road, so perhaps it could just be coined as "...Feat. Original Beach Boy Al Jardine"...ya know, just to piss off Mike.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 18, 2019, 11:53:49 AM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 18, 2019, 12:02:00 PM
It just struck me...why attempt to attach Brian's name to the ensemble in terms of ownership? That's the part that gets misleading...one expect to see so-and-so's band, if it's called their band...however, if they were to do something like  "Surf's Up: Remembering the Music of Brian Wilson Feat. Al Jardine & Blondie Chaplin"...

I really don't like that title at all...sounds far too morbid. Now something  like "The Brian Wilson Orchestra" (basically like the Glenn Miller deal) would work better IMHO


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: marcella27 on June 18, 2019, 01:32:06 PM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.

We've got to take that as a good sign, right?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 18, 2019, 02:32:27 PM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.

We've got to take that as a good sign, right?

I guess it depends on each person's outlook. I'm sure we all hope this means whatever has gone on isn't too serious. But certainly others might feel that it would be okay for Brian to take more time off. A concern that August/September shows might be still difficult would not be unfounded.

We obviously don't know any particulars of what's going on with Brian. But it's a pretty unprecedented step that he took both in terms of why he had to postpone the shows and also the frankness of explaining why. But that tends to make some fans, who again don't know the details, worry that whatever is going on can't be addressed sufficiently in the span of only about eight weeks.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: marcella27 on June 18, 2019, 02:42:00 PM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.

We've got to take that as a good sign, right?

I guess it depends on each person's outlook. I'm sure we all hope this means whatever has gone on isn't too serious. But certainly others might feel that it would be okay for Brian to take more time off. A concern that August/September shows might be still difficult would not be unfounded.

We obviously don't know any particulars of what's going on with Brian. But it's a pretty unprecedented step that he took both in terms of why he had to postpone the shows and also the frankness of explaining why. But that tends to make some fans, who again don't know the details, worry that whatever is going on can't be addressed sufficiently in the span of only about eight weeks.

Yes.  I just meant the former, i.e. I'm hoping it means that whatever has gone on isn't too serious.  If he needs more time, by all means he should take it.  I would never suggest that he rush back onto the road.  On the contrary.  I just hope that if they're booking more shows, it means that he's doing well and hoping to be back at it. 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Jay on June 18, 2019, 05:31:20 PM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.

We've got to take that as a good sign, right?
Honestly, it kind of pisses me off. It gives me the impression that whoever is in charge isn't taking the gravity of Brian's situation seriously.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 18, 2019, 05:42:09 PM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.

We've got to take that as a good sign, right?
Honestly, it kind of pisses me off. It gives me the impression that whoever is in charge isn't taking the gravity of Brian's situation seriously.

Dude, maybe it's because Brian wants to come back earlier, and that's a good sign.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Jay on June 18, 2019, 05:53:42 PM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.

We've got to take that as a good sign, right?
Honestly, it kind of pisses me off. It gives me the impression that whoever is in charge isn't taking the gravity of Brian's situation seriously.

Dude, maybe it's because Brian wants to come back earlier, and that's a good sign.
True. I think I'd feel better hearing from him personally though.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 18, 2019, 06:06:24 PM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.

We've got to take that as a good sign, right?
Honestly, it kind of pisses me off. It gives me the impression that whoever is in charge isn't taking the gravity of Brian's situation seriously.

Dude, maybe it's because Brian wants to come back earlier, and that's a good sign.
True. I think I'd feel better hearing from him personally though.

We just did though. He's the type where if his mind's made up he's going to do something regardless if those around him are saying otherwise.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 18, 2019, 06:11:55 PM
Ok, better start up a 2020 Tour thread. Another date. Screw the mind demons!

https://www.musicfestnews.com/2019/06/cayamo-2020-adds-brian-wilson-and-aaron-lee-tasjan-to-lineup/


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Jay on June 18, 2019, 06:18:23 PM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.

We've got to take that as a good sign, right?
Honestly, it kind of pisses me off. It gives me the impression that whoever is in charge isn't taking the gravity of Brian's situation seriously.

Dude, maybe it's because Brian wants to come back earlier, and that's a good sign.
True. I think I'd feel better hearing from him personally though.

We just did though. He's the type where if his mind's made up he's going to do something regardless if those around him are saying otherwise.
Has he made a statement since the one about why he canceled the recent shows?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on June 18, 2019, 07:36:49 PM
Ok, better start up a 2020 Tour thread. Another date. Screw the mind demons!

https://www.musicfestnews.com/2019/06/cayamo-2020-adds-brian-wilson-and-aaron-lee-tasjan-to-lineup/

Wow. Brian, Mavis Staples and Jeff Tweedy on a Cayamo Cruise. I'd swim to get to that one!



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 18, 2019, 07:53:56 PM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.

We've got to take that as a good sign, right?
Honestly, it kind of pisses me off. It gives me the impression that whoever is in charge isn't taking the gravity of Brian's situation seriously.

Dude, maybe it's because Brian wants to come back earlier, and that's a good sign.
True. I think I'd feel better hearing from him personally though.

We just did though. He's the type where if his mind's made up he's going to do something regardless if those around him are saying otherwise.
Has he made a statement since the one about why he canceled the recent shows?

Just the one thanking everyone for their support and that he looks forward to seeing us in the fall


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Jay on June 19, 2019, 01:42:03 AM
Don't you think it's a bit odd that a bunch of shows were suddenly canceled, with a long message from Brian explaining the situation, only for more shows to be added?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 19, 2019, 02:47:18 AM
I don’t know much about mental illness but I would have thought ‘all shows are postponed until advised otherwise’ would be more appropriate. Having a set return date I would think is pressure he just shouldn’t have.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: rab2591 on June 19, 2019, 05:19:24 AM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.

We've got to take that as a good sign, right?
Honestly, it kind of pisses me off. It gives me the impression that whoever is in charge isn't taking the gravity of Brian's situation seriously.

Honest question here, for anyone who wants to answer: why do people distrust Brian's current support system/Melinda so much? I ask this because, for many years, I have seen these types of posts (like Jay's above) that hint at some irresponsible/abusive power-domineering over Brian. I have gotten used to these posts, but I think we need to question the foundation of why these posts are made. What is the truth behind it all? So again, Why do people distrust Brian's current support system/Melinda so much?

I will give some real-world answers here:
- the FAQ book, Stebbins says he saw Brian being verbally chewed out backstage at a show
- Brian laying down on stage during a concert a decade or more ago
- Brian going out on stage recently with an obvious horrendous back issue
- Brian seeming to be disinterested at the Pet Sounds shows

Those are real-world examples of odd happenings that make us question whether Brian is in the best of hands. The latter three are seriously not signs of an abusive/authoritative power structure controlling Brian...yes, they make us ask the question why is Brian still up on stage when he has all these issues? But they aren't signs of some dominant/evil/irresponsible presence in Brian's life. Brian is a mentally complicated guy. If he felt he was in mortal jeopardy he could tell Jason Fine when he's out in a car ride with the guy, he could tell his doctors at UCLA, he could tell Wendy or Carnie. Keep in mind that Brian is the guy who said Norbit was his favorite movie (as in, he's seemingly working on another level than the rest of us) - if he becomes disinterested in singing 'You Still Believe In Me' for the 400th time he's allowed to do that. If he shuffles around on stage with a bad back, he's allowed to do that too: had my granddad been a rockstar he would rather be out on the road at 80 living life than sitting in a damn nursing home. So maybe Brian does have free will and chooses to be on the road over sitting at home. The bad back Brian has on stage is the same bad back he'd be dealing with at home. He still sits at home, he still walks around at home. Also keep in mind that any rockstar/musician will have some crazy moments. We don't bat an eye when Ozzy does something insane (pun intended :-D), or when Axl bites some dude's leg, or when Keith and Mick spending $10,000+ at a bar after a concert. Brian literally hears a voice in his head that tells him he needs to kill himself. He hears that crap every day. So with that in mind, I think the stage quirks and oddities are fairly understandable given what he deals with.

The former example (Stebbins witnessing Brian being verbally abused) is something I take very seriously, and it hurt me when I read it in the FAQ book. It made me wonder how many other times Brian was verbally abused backstage. However, consider this: that was ONE sole example from 20+ years of Brian touring, recording, and living outside of the realm of Landy. Most of us have been to one of Brian's concerts, perhaps backstage a little - there are a lot of people in the background who make those shows work. Consider that none of those people (catering, stage-hands, roadies, venue operators/workers, band members themselves) haven't whistle-blown Brian being abusively controlled. I completely believe that Stebbins saw what he saw. But I also think that if it were an ongoing thing, in the age of whistle-blowing, Twitter, cell-phone videos, a pattern of evidence would have emerged by now.

The Landy era was chock full of examples of abuse - Brian was literally dying, while musicians working with him told stories about his horrible situation. Diane Sawyer even did a piece that asked a few questions about Brian's situation.

But how many people (musicians, journalists, friends, family, etc) within the last 20 years have said "Holy sh*t, Brian's in a bad spot right now. Melinda is pumping him full of pills, he's being controlled by Melinda just like he was controlled by Landy, he is physically and mentally unhealthy." I have an answer to that: One. And his name is Mike friggin Love. 99.9% of everyone else who has actually been around Brian have just talked about how aloof he can be sometimes, but there isn't ongoing talk about surf-nazis, evil doctors, no contact with family, control, etc etc.

There is merely one man who claims that Brian is controlled...the same guy who sued the hell out of Brian, Brian's wife, Brian's friends and business partners over a lousy picture on a CD a little over a decade ago* (as in, I don't think someone who has already blatantly lied about their own cousin should have any bearing on the debate about said cousin). And let's not forget the misinformation/disinformation that was spread by someone on this very forum (and possibly other forums) that painted Melinda in a very very bad light (information that was blatantly false). I feel like this information has permeated the minds of some posters, and has melded with the examples I gave at the beginning of this post, and created a foundation of distrust for Melinda or Brian's organization.

I personally think that if Brian's life were being irresponsibly/harmfully mis-managed, we would have already seen some major warning signs, ongoing whistle-blowing, and an outcry from friends/family.

None of us know if Brian willfully said himself "I'll be ready in the fall to start touring again. I promise." But yet many here just assume the worst. I'm not blaming anyone for thinking this way, but I do think that before we make assumptions and speculation, we should ask why we are making negative assumptions...and if those assumptions are based on facts.

Anywho, I know this post was longwinded, apologies for that. I just see a lot of negative assumptions brought up here, and would like to know why. Above are my thoughts, but I would like to hear about other outlooks and other points of view that perhaps I'm missing.

*And to anyone claiming I'm bringing some "Mike Love is Beelzebub" or whatever nonsense like that to this thread, I'm merely showing the foundation of why I think Brian's current life/care is questioned to this day. I think its an important issue to dissect so we can here forth logically talk about Brian's life without the conversation being influenced by false information.

Edit: misspellings, etc


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 19, 2019, 07:36:24 AM
I look at it as a positive, like he’s doing better


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2019, 08:05:20 AM
Whether or not you're a fan of the band, and I am a fan, I'd recommend reading this interview and article about Blink 182 drummer Travis Barker and his return to touring after major health issues...these coming after he survived a horrible plane crash just over a decade ago. It's relevant to what is being discussed about Brian Wilson and touring, and the interview itself is very uplifting and powerful (and I'd say inspirational as others have found Barker's saga to be, similar to Brian's own story of recovery and 2nd chances and all that...).

I doubt *anyone* is asking whether Travis is being forced to return to touring, why he's out there despite major health issues that could threaten his well being at any moment, how or why he's being pumped full of meds, or any of the stuff (bullshit is a better term at this point) going around for years now about BW's touring and personal life.

Here are a few quotes from the Barker interview, pertinent I'd say to seeing what's been happening with Brian in perhaps a different and more personal light:

“As long as I'm not dead, I think they know I'm going to tour,” Barker quips.

“I mean, I'm able to tour. I still am on blood-thinners, because I have scarred veins that are creating blood clots. But I'm touring and I'm playing drums every day, so I'm fine,” Barker assures Yahoo Entertainment. “And then I got hit by a bus… but I'm running and kind of working out again and my back's in good shape. I bounce back pretty quickly, knock on wood, but yeah, I'm good. I'm excited for this summer’s tour and everything's all good.”


I guess from my history, the stuff I've overcome, my plane crash and stuff like that has just given me strength to overcome stuff and just really take advantage and cherish my second chance at life,” Barker continues. “When little things like this happen, I can't let them be so big or just take over my life to where I give up. I don't know, it's never been an option.”


And here is a link to the full interview. Seriously, consider giving this a read, it's worth it:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/blink-182-s-travis-barker-talks-health-scares-second-chance-at-life-and-why-giving-up-has-never-been-an-option-220212661.html (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/blink-182-s-travis-barker-talks-health-scares-second-chance-at-life-and-why-giving-up-has-never-been-an-option-220212661.html)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Wirestone on June 19, 2019, 12:55:40 PM
For what it's worth, I read Brian's original message as a simple explanation for his inability to do a specific round of shows. The cancellation wasn't over a lack of will, desire or physical ability. Brian was having some specific mental illness-related challenges. This is likely something that he and his doctors think can be handled with rebalanced or different medication. It's also something, given the obvious amount of care BW receives, that probably isn't overly difficult to solve if everyone gets together and focuses on it for a while. Brian's mental health is likely improved by being on the road and surrounded by supportive band members and loving audiences. Staying at home after cancelling shows is likely not helpful, if the meds can be balanced out.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Jay on June 19, 2019, 01:33:05 PM
Guys, this isn't just Brian being uninterested to the point where he doesnt want to perform. In one of the videos I saw(I'll have to find the YouTube video again to know which exact show it was), Brian's eyes weren't even focused. He was singing(or, more like speaking) the song, but he was otherwise totally checked out mentally and/or emotionally from the show. Even at his absolute worst points in 1981-82 Brian wasn't like this. Something is really, really wrong. I'll no doubt get sh*t for this, but I truly think he needs to be in a hospital for a while.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: rab2591 on June 19, 2019, 02:36:26 PM
Guys, this isn't just Brian being uninterested to the point where he doesnt want to perform. In one of the videos I saw(I'll have to find the YouTube video again to know which exact show it was), Brian's eyes weren't even focused. He was singing(or, more like speaking) the song, but he was otherwise totally checked out mentally and/or emotionally from the show. Even at his absolute worst points in 1981-82 Brian wasn't like this. Something is really, really wrong. I'll no doubt get sh*t for this, but I truly think he needs to be in a hospital for a while.

Jay, none of us know all (or even some) of the facts here, which is why all this speculation seems kinda ridiculous to me.

Logically we know this: Brian has just undergone THREE back surgeries, has had mental instability since the third surgery (whether by prescription drug imbalance or other forces, we don't know yet) and no doubt that has effected the way he's composed himself...which is probably what you're describing in those videos Jay.

In a message sent to us fans he acknowledged he has been having a rough time mentally after the third back surgery, and that he's taking a break from touring for a while until the doctors sort the problem out. You are stating that something is "really really wrong" with Brian when he has already acknowledged that something is really really wrong. You're saying that he needs help but he's already acknowledged that he's getting help. To compound this last point, he has cancelled/postponed concerts to get this help.

I guess I just don't understand the melodrama behind your posts...you're making claims that you think those "in charge" of Brian aren't taking his care seriously...yet Brian (or those "in charge" of him) has cancelled/postponed a lot of tour dates because of this*. I would say that's pretty serious. People seem to forget that Brian has a team of doctors at UCLA that help him with his issues. UCLA doctors aren't some Landy quacks. They aren't puppets at the end of strings being controlled by Melinda Wilson. They are doctors (who all took oaths) who have helped look after Brian for years and years now. Again, the man just had 3 back surgeries, has a panic disorder, half a lifetime of hard drug abuse, voices that tell him to kill himself, he had a psychiatrist who tried to kill him by pumping him full of pills, the constant pain of losing all his brothers, manic depression, etc etc - managing all of that to help Brian feel normal isn't an easy task. And it's ridiculous to be an armchair doctor and to say he needs to go to a hospital for a while when you virtually know nothing about his care.

I hope you don't take this post as giving you sh*t for your opinion. But this type of vague hysteria that paints a target on those caring for Brian isn't helpful, and it isn't right.

* And I want to back up Wirestone's point: "Brian's mental health is likely improved by being on the road and surrounded by supportive band members and loving audiences. Staying at home after cancelling shows is likely not helpful, if the meds can be balanced out." I'm not going to speculate what is best for Brian, but if he is like most other people with mental illness, the worst thing you can do is stay home with the curtains drawn.

And this plays into what Guitarfool posted as well: sometimes those who have gone through hell are thankful that they can still get out and smell the flowers. Brian seems to be going through a lot right now, and he's working to get better. The best thing we can do is send him an uplifting card and send a prayer out to help his recovery.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: marcella27 on June 19, 2019, 03:09:22 PM
I agree with a lot of Rab's points, especially that this speculation is pointless because we have no idea what's goin on.  I admit I engaged in speculation myself when I said that the fact that they're booking new dates in September could be a good sign, but that's because I want it to be a good sign, a sign that things are improving.  But honestly, we can all look at videos of this or that until we're blue in the face, but none of us are medical professionals treating Brian (as far as I know) and we really, really aren't qualified to diagnose what he needs or doesn't need. 

Also agreeing with another comment by Rab, I do think a lot of the comments are based on the assumption that Brian has no control over his life, and that he's somehow being taken advantage of.  It's rather disrespectful of Brian as well as those around him.  Just from having seen so many interactions of the various band members and Brian, I really don't doubt that these guys truly love Brian and I just can't see people like that standing by and watching him be exploited.  The argument is that a lot of people depend on Brian for employment, but come on, does anyone really think that someone like Al Jardine is so desperate to tour that he'd watch his friend and colleague of almost 60 years be taken advantage of?  Especially given the history with Landy, I would imagine that Brian's friends and family are very protective.  The undertone to a lot of these comments about what Brian should or shouldn't be doing is quite condescending and assumes that he's not capable of deciding that himself. 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 19, 2019, 04:22:43 PM
I don't Jay meant it in that way; I can see why there's been concern. I will say this, though, if he's not ready it won't happen. These tours have to be insured. It's not like it was in the past as part of the Beach Boys. There's no Landy-type figure around either.

And again, here's a question I've asked before, and the "ones who should know" never have been able to answer. If Brian's being "forced"...well, for what? Same person has claimed that Brian's tours lose money. Well, so money can't be a consideration, then, right?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: rab2591 on June 19, 2019, 05:50:15 PM
I do think a lot of the comments are based on the assumption that Brian has no control over his life, and that he's somehow being taken advantage of.  It's rather disrespectful of Brian as well as those around him.  Just from having seen so many interactions of the various band members and Brian, I really don't doubt that these guys truly love Brian and I just can't see people like that standing by and watching him be exploited.  The argument is that a lot of people depend on Brian for employment, but come on, does anyone really think that someone like Al Jardine is so desperate to tour that he'd watch his friend and colleague of almost 60 years be taken advantage of?  Especially given the history with Landy, I would imagine that Brian's friends and family are very protective.  The undertone to a lot of these comments about what Brian should or shouldn't be doing is quite condescending and assumes that he's not capable of deciding that himself. 

Exactly! Especially in a post-Landy era, especially in the #metoo/whistle-blower era, in a day and age where anything can be recorded quite secretly, where there is virtually no privacy due to surveillance cameras, where family and friends of Brian basically have a public obligation to make sure everything is going well with him....it just makes no sense that there is some secret cabal of controllers maniacally pulling strings to keep Brian bringing in the cash when it could easily be proven in this day and age.

Again, to those who speculate this. Consider where your information is coming from and has come from. Don't buy into the theories until you've looked at all sides. Once you've looked at all sides, please respond here with some evidence. But until then, don't vaguely hint at controllers or that people don't take taking care of Brian seriously. Because from my standpoint, it just doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on June 19, 2019, 07:18:58 PM
Guys, this isn't just Brian being uninterested to the point where he doesnt want to perform. In one of the videos I saw(I'll have to find the YouTube video again to know which exact show it was), Brian's eyes weren't even focused. He was singing(or, more like speaking) the song, but he was otherwise totally checked out mentally and/or emotionally from the show. Even at his absolute worst points in 1981-82 Brian wasn't like this. Something is really, really wrong. I'll no doubt get sh*t for this, but I truly think he needs to be in a hospital for a while.
I agree, and I get why people think Brian is being controlled by Melinda or someone: he has a history of being controlled by others. And there is a history of him being onstage (certainly 1981-82, and probably other times as well...does anyone think Brian looks happy onstage in those 1976 shows?) when he was not well, physically or emotionally.

I guess perspectives have changed over the years. The first BB's book I read was David Leaf's, and he spent a good chunk of it wondering why Brian was being dragged out on stage in 76-77, when he was obviously terrified being out there. He would just sit at the piano, not sing, not play, just looked frozen with fear. The point kept being made that Brian's place was in the studio, not on the stage. Why are things any different now?


I also have to wonder what being onstage with that loud music is doing to his one good ear? I've got serious hearing loss in my left ear, and it rings for days, sometimes weeks,  after a show.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 19, 2019, 07:38:33 PM
Melinda definitely doesn't control Brian. She's his caring & loving wife. Brian can do what he likes to. Fact.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 19, 2019, 08:06:54 PM
Guys, this isn't just Brian being uninterested to the point where he doesnt want to perform. In one of the videos I saw(I'll have to find the YouTube video again to know which exact show it was), Brian's eyes weren't even focused. He was singing(or, more like speaking) the song, but he was otherwise totally checked out mentally and/or emotionally from the show. Even at his absolute worst points in 1981-82 Brian wasn't like this. Something is really, really wrong. I'll no doubt get sh*t for this, but I truly think he needs to be in a hospital for a while.
I agree, and I get why people think Brian is being controlled by Melinda or someone: he has a history of being controlled by others. And there is a history of him being onstage (certainly 1981-82, and probably other times as well...does anyone think Brian looks happy onstage in those 1976 shows?) when he was not well, physically or emotionally.

I guess perspectives have changed over the years. The first BB's book I read was David Leaf's, and he spent a good chunk of it wondering why Brian was being dragged out on stage in 76-77, when he was obviously terrified being out there. He would just sit at the piano, not sing, not play, just looked frozen with fear. The point kept being made that Brian's place was in the studio, not on the stage. Why are things any different now?


I also have to wonder what being onstage with that loud music is doing to his one good ear? I've got serious hearing loss in my left ear, and it rings for days, sometimes weeks,  after a show.

That last point makes me pause...hearing goes with age anyway. He’s already deaf in one ear. He’s stated in interviews that being on stage helps him because he can distract himself from the auditory hallucinations by concentrating on performing(there’s one such interview on YouTube that I’ll post the link to when I find it). If his hearing is going and he can’t hear the music as well, what effect would that have on the voices?


Edit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OLdjjXDtA8g


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 19, 2019, 08:08:03 PM
Melinda definitely doesn't control Brian. She's his caring & loving wife. Brian can do what he likes to. Fact.

Exactly


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Jay on June 19, 2019, 10:59:34 PM
I'll say one more, and final post on the subject. I don't mean to insinuate or state that it's Melinda that's "controlling" Brian, or that it it's any one person in particular. I All I'm saying is that booking more gigs for him right now is a bad idea. If Brian's issues are being underestimated and oversimplified, then it could end in potential disaster. I'm just concerned and want the best for the guy who has made an immense impact on my life.


Edit: I'd just like to also point out that I never once directly said Melinda's name in reference to poor decision making.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: thelonelysea on June 20, 2019, 12:11:36 AM
Rab, all your posts are great. Wanted to do a standing ovation after reading that first one. Mike absolutely bears a lot of responsibility for dragging out these rumors, which, if there was any truth to them, it would be irresponsible for him not to step in. But he doesn't. The idea that every single person in Brian's private and working relationships doesn't care? It just makes no sense.

Brian has shown he will absolutely pull the plug on a show if he has to. I know some people want him to take it easy and stop touring, but I don't know how many times Brian has to say he looks forward to getting out on the road before we admit it might be a good motivator for him even through really bad days. Not everything is all good or bad, and Brian knows when the bad means he has to put it on hold for a bit.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: rab2591 on June 20, 2019, 04:01:02 AM
Guys, this isn't just Brian being uninterested to the point where he doesnt want to perform. In one of the videos I saw(I'll have to find the YouTube video again to know which exact show it was), Brian's eyes weren't even focused. He was singing(or, more like speaking) the song, but he was otherwise totally checked out mentally and/or emotionally from the show. Even at his absolute worst points in 1981-82 Brian wasn't like this. Something is really, really wrong. I'll no doubt get sh*t for this, but I truly think he needs to be in a hospital for a while.
I agree, and I get why people think Brian is being controlled by Melinda or someone: he has a history of being controlled by others. And there is a history of him being onstage (certainly 1981-82, and probably other times as well...does anyone think Brian looks happy onstage in those 1976 shows?) when he was not well, physically or emotionally.

I guess perspectives have changed over the years. The first BB's book I read was David Leaf's, and he spent a good chunk of it wondering why Brian was being dragged out on stage in 76-77, when he was obviously terrified being out there. He would just sit at the piano, not sing, not play, just looked frozen with fear. The point kept being made that Brian's place was in the studio, not on the stage. Why are things any different now?


I also have to wonder what being onstage with that loud music is doing to his one good ear? I've got serious hearing loss in my left ear, and it rings for days, sometimes weeks,  after a show.

Why are things any different now? No offense, Lonely Summer, but if you can't tell a difference between Brian 40 years ago and Brian now, I have to seriously question whether or not you're trolling. You say that 40 years ago Brian didn't sing, didn't play, and was frozen with fear at his concerts, then ask why are things any different now...Because now Brian does sing, does play, and isn't frozen with fear at his shows. And yes, I'm sure he has his fearful moments: again, the man hears voices that tell him to kill himself. I'd love to see you, me, or anyone else fair any better under his same circumstances. He may be disinterested sometimes at his shows, but that isn't a sign of dominant control over his life. Every Pet Sounds show I've been to Brian has sung along, has smiled at the audience, and really had some beautiful vocal moments that I will cherish forever. More recently, if he is acting strange at his shows, it's logical to deduce that the mental issues Brian just messaged us about are related to those actions.

[Edit: to add a point about "Brian's place" in regards to the studio or the stage - people change over a 50 year period...no one stays the same. Who is to say that Brian prefers the studio or the stage these days? Only Brian. And Brian has stated many times in recent years that he likes being on the road. He says he is also intimidated by the stage, but he also likes it too. Regardless, I don't think any keyboard warriors need to analyze and scrutinize what is or isn't "Brian's place" or what kind of medical attention he needs. Given he is still in the recording studio, given he is now 77 and still plans on doing concerts, given he still wakes up and faces every day with determination, I'd say he is doing pretty damn good without our ill-informed opinions.]

And trying to rationalize this idea that Brian is currently controlled because he has been controlled before is completely asinine. For the last two decades you could catch Brian alone at his favorite deli, or driving his car alone through LA. He was once controlled to the point where for years he couldn't see his own family. When currently he can go see Carnie or Wendy whenever he wants to. During that time he couldn't even talk on the phone unless supervised. He currently has his own personal phone he can use whenever. I'll just quote my initial post on this matter in case you overlooked that:

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But how many people (musicians, journalists, friends, family, etc) within the last 20 years have said "Holy sh*t, Brian's in a bad spot right now. Melinda is pumping him full of pills, he's being controlled by Melinda just like he was controlled by Landy, he is physically and mentally unhealthy." I have an answer to that: One. And his name is Mike friggin Love. 99.9% of everyone else who has actually been around Brian have just talked about how aloof he can be sometimes, but there isn't ongoing talk about surf-nazis, evil doctors, no contact with family, control, etc etc.

By claiming, or even entertaining the idea, that Brian is controlled to a point where his personal well-being is in jeopardy, you are disrespecting every doctor, every family member, every musician, every friend that Brian spends his time around on a regular basis. You are basically insinuating that those currently around Brian don't have the heart to speak out against such an atrocity. Such insinuations are unfair to people like Al Jardine, Darian Sahanaja, Daria Wilson, Melinda, all of Brian's close and longtime friends, and most importantly Brian himself.

As for being on stage with one good ear - I'm beyond sure that Brian wears top-quality hearing protection as needed, as many (most?) professional performers do. The lead singer of Coldplay has horrendous tinnitus yet wears ear-pieces/protection, they play stadiums packed with sound gear. There are ways to protect hearing these days even for stadium shows. Let's logically think through that when Brian is doing soundcheck he talks normally with the people around him, when he is doing meet-and-greets he is normally talking with people. That doesn't sound like someone who's one good ear is undergoing abnormal strain.

Finally, I will say that if Brian is being controlled to the point where he is being forced to do things truly against his will, I will admit I was wrong and eat my hat. But to base the conclusion that Brian is currently controlled off of "he was once controlled so he could be controlled now" or that 40 years ago he didn't sing, play, and looked frozen at his concerts and even though he is singing, playing, and not frozen at his concerts now somehow this means he is being controlled is pretty illogical and irresponsible for any fan of Brian or the Beach Boys.

Rab, all your posts are great. Wanted to do a standing ovation after reading that first one. Mike absolutely bears a lot of responsibility for dragging out these rumors, which, if there was any truth to them, it would be irresponsible for him not to step in. But he doesn't. The idea that every single person in Brian's private and working relationships doesn't care? It just makes no sense.

Brian has shown he will absolutely pull the plug on a show if he has to. I know some people want him to take it easy and stop touring, but I don't know how many times Brian has to say he looks forward to getting out on the road before we admit it might be a good motivator for him even through really bad days. Not everything is all good or bad, and Brian knows when the bad means he has to put it on hold for a bit.


Thanks much lonelysea :) I completely and wholeheartedly agree with the part highlighted in yellow. It just makes no sense indeed.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2019, 10:08:28 AM
There is merely one man who claims that Brian is controlled...the same guy who sued the hell out of Brian, Brian's wife, Brian's friends and business partners over a lousy picture on a CD a little over a decade ago* (as in, I don't think someone who has already blatantly lied about their own cousin should have any bearing on the debate about said cousin). And let's not forget the misinformation/disinformation that was spread by someone on this very forum (and possibly other forums) that painted Melinda in a very very bad light (information that was blatantly false). I feel like this information has permeated the minds of some posters, and has melded with the examples I gave at the beginning of this post, and created a foundation of distrust for Melinda or Brian's organization.


This pretty much nails it. Let's not forget indeed. The sad part is that some continue to believe this false innuendo and gossip coming from places of jealousy and personal grudges against specific individuals instead of listening to people who actually know and have known the situation, where the facts have been in the open for years now. It's sad to the point of pathetic that a very small number of so-called "fans" still believe this crap which has been debunked and disproven for years now over believing the actual truth.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on June 20, 2019, 08:36:25 PM
As far as what Brian says to interviewers or on social media, I keep remembering during the Landy years how Brian told everybody that "Dr Landy saved my life", and when Landy's ethics were questioned, Brian always stood up for him. If it's as simple as Brian just getting up and walking away from a bad situation, why couldn't he do that at any point during the Landy years? I just can't believe that in his condition (and i am talking mostly physical) and age, Brian enjoys the whole touring regiment. There have been many nights on recent tours where he looked like he would rather be anywhere but on that stage.
Okay, now i'll be called a troll. I see it the other way around - i think fans are being selfish by expecting Brian to continue on these never ending oldies tours. Let the man have some rest, he's earned it. We don't need him doing 10 more years of final Pet Sounds shows, or any shows for that matter.
Does anybody really know what Brian wants?  ::)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: thelonelysea on June 20, 2019, 11:43:38 PM
Eh, doubting every interview just becomes an unfalsifiable game. Can we really know the truth? I mean, yeah, we could ... if people didn't act like every Brian interview is done in secret code.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: rab2591 on June 21, 2019, 04:47:26 AM
As far as what Brian says to interviewers or on social media, I keep remembering during the Landy years how Brian told everybody that "Dr Landy saved my life", and when Landy's ethics were questioned, Brian always stood up for him. If it's as simple as Brian just getting up and walking away from a bad situation, why couldn't he do that at any point during the Landy years?

Probably because Landy had him doped all the time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-K-n5op9nI) to the point where Brian was exhibiting signs of a stroke?

Let's just logically think through the scenarios where Brian is currently under some Landy-esque control:

Scenario 1: Melinda Wilson is controlling Brian. So let's get this straight, Brian's net worth is $75 million. $75,000,000.00. Obviously this is not money he has in the bank, but it shows that the man isn't hurting for cash. Yet supposedly Melinda needs to risk the public exposure of controlling Brian like Landy by forcing Brian to hop on a tour bus, strictly tour Pet Sounds shows to make them more money? And all of Brian's family and friends, including his daughters who actually talk to the guy, don't do anything to stop this atrocity?

Scenario 2: The band is controlling Brian. The band, including Darian and Al, need to stay employed so they somehow have a secret cabal of controllers forcing Brian to tour so they can put food on their tables (apparently this is the only way they can have gainful employment). So the band, ignoring the fact that Melinda has already taken down the controlling Landy (to the point where a major motion picture was made about it), secretly forces Brian to tour, hoodwinking Melinda in the process.

If there are any scenarios (or alterations to the above scenarios) that don't sound completely asinine, please share them (anyone). Because I'm just trying to logically get to the bottom of this point of view.

I just can't believe that in his condition (and i am talking mostly physical) and age, Brian enjoys the whole touring regiment. There have been many nights on recent tours where he looked like he would rather be anywhere but on that stage.

And as I've explained numerous times before, the mental instability he recently publicly acknowledged has probably been the cause of much of this seeming disinterest. And again, he is currently getting help for his current mental issues by postponing/cancelling a lot of tour dates. And again, the bad back he has on stage is the same bad back he'd have at home: he has to sit at home, has to walk at home.

i think fans are being selfish by expecting Brian to continue on these never ending oldies tours. Let the man have some rest, he's earned it. We don't need him doing 10 more years of final Pet Sounds shows, or any shows for that matter.

Point me to one post, one article, one blog where some fan is stating that Brian NEEDS to be touring at 77 years of age. I don't think anyone expects the man to tour. The man could literally become a monk, join a monastery, and every fan of Brian's would likely say "man that's weird but that's Brian for ya." I don't think any fan would be selfishly angry that they couldn't watch Brian from seat 11F at the Fantasy Springs Resort Casino if they knew that Brian was quitting touring for his own health.

Does anybody really know what Brian wants?  ::)

Exactly. And to add to this, I'll just repeat a line from my previous post: I don't think any keyboard warriors need to analyze and scrutinize what is or isn't "Brian's place" or what kind of medical attention he needs. Given he is still in the recording studio, given he is now 77 and still plans on doing concerts, given he still wakes up and faces every day with determination, I'd say he is doing pretty damn good without our ill-informed opinions.

Eh, doubting every interview just becomes an unfalsifiable game. Can we really know the truth? I mean, yeah, we could ... if people didn't act like every Brian interview is done in secret code.

Exactly.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 21, 2019, 09:14:34 AM
The answer to why Brian couldn't just "walk away" from Landy could be a simple one. There were contracts signed and legal issues beyond the main issue that Landy was a psychiatric care professional, a doctor who was board certified, and who was (originally) a specialist in treating addictions. In the worst cases his treatment method involved an almost full immersion into his program 24 hours a day to where the patient would be under constant observation and treatment in order to treat the addictions and surrounding physical and mental issues.

Landy was originally hired to implement this immersive, full-control "treatment" to cure Brian of the addictions and related physical ailments and Brian was effectively signed over to Landy's care. Allowing a patient in addiction recovery to simply walk away would be like pressing the self-destruct button, and Landy was being paid to cure Brian. Put 2+2 together.

What happened eventually was a total abuse of the doctor-patient relationship that went beyond ANYTHING anyone would have imagined, which could have and almost did destroy Brian...at that point, action was taken *through legal channels* to remove Brian from Landy's care.

If it were as simple as Brian walking away, there would not have been a need to get court orders and legal actions in order to get Landy the f*** out of Brian's life. Landy had abused his position enough to have taken control of not only Brian's recovery, but his financial, social, professional, and musical life...until the courts stepped in, along with medical licensing boards and got Landy out of there, along with stripping him of his license.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on June 21, 2019, 11:02:58 AM
It seems pretty obvious to me that it's likely Brian himself and Melinda probably realize that when Brian has nothing in particular to do (as in if he's not keeping occupied), this will possibly put him at risk at falling back into not-so-great habits and depression from just sitting around, plus it might make Brian focus too much on thoughts that make him sad, such as the family members that he has lost, etc.  Let's also look at the fact that Brian probably did lots of sitting around when recovering from back surgery, and perhaps that in and of itself was a catalyst for the tough emotional times he's had lately that caused tour date cancellations.

I'm sure that being on the road - despite some parts of that such as traveling, etc being not so much fun - keeps Brian motivated, and dare I say distracted in a good way from the dark stuff that he has to contend with - and as it seems Brian may not have the inclination or urge to be sitting around writing/recording as he once was, the road must be some kind of therapy for him these days. Just my opinion. If Brian had the fire in his belly to write/record these days, he'd be immersing himself in writing/recording, and I'm sure he'd sometimes be grimacing here and there and doing quirky Brian stuff without a crowd of people sitting around speculating that he didn't want to be there. The  time-consuming road life these days has just taken the place of his prior time-consuming music hobby of writing/recording.

Also, I think that for a studio perfectionist like Brian, that it must be hard for him on a personal level to deal with his own decline of having a voice not capable of doing what his voice did at a younger age. Yet that's what Brian does - make music and sing - it's pretty much all he knows. So there could be somewhat of mixed emotions going on when he records new music and performs on stage, well aware of his own age making him sound different from how he did in the 1960s, but also simultaneously experiencing the healing power of music and wanting to continue making music and/or performing live because of that healing power. There's got to be a lot of mixed emotions going on for a sensitive soul like Brian, and maybe sometimes we see glimpses of that.

Let's face it - people who look at recent shows and want to say that Brian "doesn't want to be there" - and basing that on his body language - could come across as having a legit point on a surface level from just observing how Brian looks in a given moment, but that's certainly not the whole story and can't be used as a proper basis to judge the entirety of the situation.  

After all, look at how Brian's body language was on the Beautiful Dreamer DVD documentary, when he was sitting in a room with his band members, looking like he didn't want to be there at practice. Nevertheless, he pushed through those rough patches, and then eventually came through with flying colors on the other side, where it all led up to a triumphant performance of SMiLE where he conquered one of the biggest things that had been gnawing away at him for decades. I feel confident in saying that Brian isn't being "forced" or "coerced" into touring. It's not like his tours are making some crazy amounts of profit, for one, and secondly I'm sure that Melinda and those close to him wouldn't do that to him if he really, truly felt that way. I think at this point Brian is having "the show must go on" mentality with rescheduling dates several months off.

For whatever reason(s), and probably part of that is fear of growing old and mortality, the road provides a distraction from just sitting around and thinking about that grim fact. I'm sure the same is true with Mike. The road must be a great distraction.  If I was 77 years old, and had the opportunity to not just sit around and be depressed, I'm sure I'd wanna get out of my living room and off my couch too. Besides, even that's probably not as much fun as it used to be, as the TV show Flipper isn't airing anymore anyway  ;D


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 21, 2019, 11:35:27 AM
^ Brilliantly stated, CD


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: rab2591 on June 21, 2019, 01:29:17 PM
^ Brilliantly stated, CD

Completely agree. Also, thanks Guitarfool for making all that crystal clear about the Landy situation.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on June 21, 2019, 10:05:27 PM
It seems pretty obvious to me that it's likely Brian himself and Melinda probably realize that when Brian has nothing in particular to do (as in if he's not keeping occupied), this will possibly put him at risk at falling back into not-so-great habits and depression from just sitting around, plus it might make Brian focus too much on thoughts that make him sad, such as the family members that he has lost, etc.  Let's also look at the fact that Brian probably did lots of sitting around when recovering from back surgery, and perhaps that in and of itself was a catalyst for the tough emotional times he's had lately that caused tour date cancellations.

I'm sure that being on the road - despite some parts of that such as traveling, etc being not so much fun - keeps Brian motivated, and dare I say distracted in a good way from the dark stuff that he has to contend with - and as it seems Brian may not have the inclination or urge to be sitting around writing/recording as he once was, the road must be some kind of therapy for him these days. Just my opinion. If Brian had the fire in his belly to write/record these days, he'd be immersing himself in writing/recording, and I'm sure he'd sometimes be grimacing here and there and doing quirky Brian stuff without a crowd of people sitting around speculating that he didn't want to be there. The  time-consuming road life these days has just taken the place of his prior time-consuming music hobby of writing/recording.

Also, I think that for a studio perfectionist like Brian, that it must be hard for him on a personal level to deal with his own decline of having a voice not capable of doing what his voice did at a younger age. Yet that's what Brian does - make music and sing - it's pretty much all he knows. So there could be somewhat of mixed emotions going on when he records new music and performs on stage, well aware of his own age making him sound different from how he did in the 1960s, but also simultaneously experiencing the healing power of music and wanting to continue making music and/or performing live because of that healing power. There's got to be a lot of mixed emotions going on for a sensitive soul like Brian, and maybe sometimes we see glimpses of that.

Let's face it - people who look at recent shows and want to say that Brian "doesn't want to be there" - and basing that on his body language - could come across as having a legit point on a surface level from just observing how Brian looks in a given moment, but that's certainly not the whole story and can't be used as a proper basis to judge the entirety of the situation.  

After all, look at how Brian's body language was on the Beautiful Dreamer DVD documentary, when he was sitting in a room with his band members, looking like he didn't want to be there at practice. Nevertheless, he pushed through those rough patches, and then eventually came through with flying colors on the other side, where it all led up to a triumphant performance of SMiLE where he conquered one of the biggest things that had been gnawing away at him for decades. I feel confident in saying that Brian isn't being "forced" or "coerced" into touring. It's not like his tours are making some crazy amounts of profit, for one, and secondly I'm sure that Melinda and those close to him wouldn't do that to him if he really, truly felt that way. I think at this point Brian is having "the show must go on" mentality with rescheduling dates several months off.

For whatever reason(s), and probably part of that is fear of growing old and mortality, the road provides a distraction from just sitting around and thinking about that grim fact. I'm sure the same is true with Mike. The road must be a great distraction.  If I was 77 years old, and had the opportunity to not just sit around and be depressed, I'm sure I'd wanna get out of my living room and off my couch too. Besides, even that's probably not as much fun as it used to be, as the TV show Flipper isn't airing anymore anyway  ;D
I have absolutely no doubt that Mike loves being on the road. It's what he's always lived for. He's doing exactly what Carl, way back in the 80's, predicted he'd be doing. I doubt, though, that anyone would have believed Brian would spend most of the latter part of his life as a touring oldies act.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
Post by: Amy B. on June 22, 2019, 06:30:09 AM
It seems pretty obvious to me that it's likely Brian himself and Melinda probably realize that when Brian has nothing in particular to do (as in if he's not keeping occupied), this will possibly put him at risk at falling back into not-so-great habits and depression from just sitting around, plus it might make Brian focus too much on thoughts that make him sad, such as the family members that he has lost, etc.  Let's also look at the fact that Brian probably did lots of sitting around when recovering from back surgery, and perhaps that in and of itself was a catalyst for the tough emotional times he's had lately that caused tour date cancellations.

I'm sure that being on the road - despite some parts of that such as traveling, etc being not so much fun - keeps Brian motivated, and dare I say distracted in a good way from the dark stuff that he has to contend with - and as it seems Brian may not have the inclination or urge to be sitting around writing/recording as he once was, the road must be some kind of therapy for him these days. Just my opinion. If Brian had the fire in his belly to write/record these days, he'd be immersing himself in writing/recording, and I'm sure he'd sometimes be grimacing here and there and doing quirky Brian stuff without a crowd of people sitting around speculating that he didn't want to be there. The  time-consuming road life these days has just taken the place of his prior time-consuming music hobby of writing/recording.

Also, I think that for a studio perfectionist like Brian, that it must be hard for him on a personal level to deal with his own decline of having a voice not capable of doing what his voice did at a younger age. Yet that's what Brian does - make music and sing - it's pretty much all he knows. So there could be somewhat of mixed emotions going on when he records new music and performs on stage, well aware of his own age making him sound different from how he did in the 1960s, but also simultaneously experiencing the healing power of music and wanting to continue making music and/or performing live because of that healing power. There's got to be a lot of mixed emotions going on for a sensitive soul like Brian, and maybe sometimes we see glimpses of that.

Let's face it - people who look at recent shows and want to say that Brian "doesn't want to be there" - and basing that on his body language - could come across as having a legit point on a surface level from just observing how Brian looks in a given moment, but that's certainly not the whole story and can't be used as a proper basis to judge the entirety of the situation.  

After all, look at how Brian's body language was on the Beautiful Dreamer DVD documentary, when he was sitting in a room with his band members, looking like he didn't want to be there at practice. Nevertheless, he pushed through those rough patches, and then eventually came through with flying colors on the other side, where it all led up to a triumphant performance of SMiLE where he conquered one of the biggest things that had been gnawing away at him for decades. I feel confident in saying that Brian isn't being "forced" or "coerced" into touring. It's not like his tours are making some crazy amounts of profit, for one, and secondly I'm sure that Melinda and those close to him wouldn't do that to him if he really, truly felt that way. I think at this point Brian is having "the show must go on" mentality with rescheduling dates several months off.

For whatever reason(s), and probably part of that is fear of growing old and mortality, the road provides a distraction from just sitting around and thinking about that grim fact. I'm sure the same is true with Mike. The road must be a great distraction.  If I was 77 years old, and had the opportunity to not just sit around and be depressed, I'm sure I'd wanna get out of my living room and off my couch too. Besides, even that's probably not as much fun as it used to be, as the TV show Flipper isn't airing anymore anyway  ;D

Yes. I need to go back and read Brian's book again, but I believe he said his routine at home is pretty much watching the news and Wheel of Fortune or somesuch. He had his deli routine, but that can't happen all day ,and not with a bad back. It seems that he needs ways to get out of his own head.  It's not like he plays golf.