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« Reply #250 on: December 07, 2018, 04:38:26 AM »

Reading sketch reviews here, I'm especially interested to hear "Passing By" with lyrics. It's beautiful song which could be cooler with voice.
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« Reply #251 on: December 07, 2018, 04:40:32 AM »

Nope - have to be invited to register at QoBuz. Sad

Really, I'm fairly sure I didnt get an invite. Its a shop after all!!
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« Reply #252 on: December 07, 2018, 04:44:49 AM »

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« Reply #253 on: December 07, 2018, 04:49:42 AM »

There is a backdoor into getting a Qobuz account through the UK site. This is discussed in one of the current Steve Hoffman threads on these new sets.
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« Reply #254 on: December 07, 2018, 04:49:53 AM »

Reading sketch reviews here, I'm especially interested to hear "Passing By" with lyrics. It's beautiful song which could be cooler with voice.


Yeah, it's a rough scratch vocal on top of the normal track.  Rough, but interesting.

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« Reply #255 on: December 07, 2018, 04:57:49 AM »

The track "Untitled 1/25/68" is the same song as "Tune L"(albeit a different recording of it). Interesting.  Grin The big take away I keep getting from the 20/20 sessions is how much of a creative force Dennis is already, perhaps quite a bit earlier than we had imagined.

Dennis really comes across as a creative force in these sessions. His demoes dominate the track listing!
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« Reply #256 on: December 07, 2018, 05:06:49 AM »

AHA!!! Figured out qobuz:

- Use a VPN (Windscribe will do -- and it's free) to switch to a European country.
- IF POSSIBLE, SWITCH TO A COUNTRY WHOSE NATIVE LANGUAGE YOU UNDERSTAND!!!
- Create an account at QoBuz - if it thinks you're in a different country, it will let you.
- At this point, it's safe to kill your VPN connection.
- Download away!
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« Reply #257 on: December 07, 2018, 05:24:49 AM »

Have to go to work soon so I kinda sped my way through the songs. Even Steven is the early highlight for me.
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« Reply #258 on: December 07, 2018, 06:20:46 AM »


Even though it was pleasant to hear the lyrics to Passing By sung by Brian, they made the right decission to leave em out.


FYI, they didn't leave them out (of the original album mix), because they weren't recorded until 1971-ish.
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« Reply #259 on: December 07, 2018, 07:11:38 AM »

A few random thoughts...

"Even Steven" is great. For whatever reason, "Busy Doin' Nothin'" has never been a favorite of mine, but this one just works for me. Really doesn't make sense as they are so similar, but whatever.

"Be Here In The Morning Darling" is wonderful. What is it? Is it an entirely different thing from "Be Here In The Morning"? Or is it a totally different backing track that the same lyrics were supposed to be applied to?

"Been Way Too Long (Sections)" is as awesome as I'd hoped for. Brian was truly in the zone with this tune and it's a shame that it was never truly finished. But what we have from it is amazing and maybe the mystery of never knowing what it quite coulda been works for it in the same way that it does for things like The Beach Boys versions of "Do You Like Worms" and "Child Is Father Of The Man" and this basically leaves them just fine in the form they are now in.

Listening to Brian's chord progressions on things like "I'm Confessin'", "You're As Cool As Can Be" and "Our New Home" never gets old. I wouldn't be mad if there were 500 more things like this in the vault. I still enjoy things like things like "Da Da" and "Heroes And Villains: All Day" from The SMiLE Sessions and "Hide Go Seek" and "Honey Get Home" from Sunshine Tomorrow. Brian at the keyboard pounding out chords just hits the spot for me.

"Passing By" from the legendary re-write sessions is definitely fascinating. Is it good? Yeah. Is it better than what was on the Friends album? In my opinion right at this moment? No. Still glad though to hear a 1971 Brian Wilson lead vocal though. And glad to hear those lyrics. I have to assume though, that the 1971 re-written versions of "Wake The World", "Friends" and "Be Still" have been lost though cuz otherwise they'd have probably been on here too. Also must say how odd it is that Brian wanted to do new versions of songs from one of the group's least successful albums sales wise. Perhaps he just thought that at least those four songs deserved another chance to be heard? Who knows? Also weird that one of the re-writes is of a Dennis song.

Too bad they never finished working on "Rock And Roll Woman" as I think that song was one that works really well for The Beach Boys.

All the Denny stuff is super cool too. Do I ever need to hear whatever "The Gong" is ever again? I'm not sure about that.  Grin
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« Reply #260 on: December 07, 2018, 07:18:53 AM »

I've only had a chance to dip my toe into this stuff so far, but it's as mind-blowing as promised. Thanks to Alan Boyd, Mark Linett, Howie Edelson, and everybody else who made this thing happen. They're fighting the good fight for the Beach Boys archives, which as we've discussed (and continues to be proved) is the most impressive repository of amazing wholly unreleased recorded material that likely exists. And they're still turning up stuff we didn't even know existed, like that "Passing By" rewrite.

And think about it, we haven't even hit the 70s yet.....
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« Reply #261 on: December 07, 2018, 08:04:24 AM »

Just listned to the samples on amazon. Even these little snippets blow my mind. Great stuff. Thanks to everyone involved in bringing this to daylight. Freaking incredible what this band has in it's vaults.
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« Reply #262 on: December 07, 2018, 08:10:41 AM »

Just listned to the samples on amazon. Even these little snippets blow my mind. Great stuff. Thanks to everyone involved in bringing this to daylight. Freaking incredible what this band has in it's vaults.

It's honestly ridiculous, best band ever by a mile.

"Even steven" is a nice little twist on one of my favourite Brian songs. So glad to have it
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« Reply #263 on: December 07, 2018, 08:16:02 AM »

"I'm Confessin'/You're As Cool As Can Be 1": I'm intrigued to see what this is. It's a Brian thing right?

Having not heard it yet, I'm guessing "I'm Confessin'" is an old song. Frank Ifield recorded a version of it in the early '60s.

I didn't know the Ifield song, but having looked it up on Youtube and had a listen, I don't think the song on the 1968 BB set is a cover of Frank's tune. Unless Brian decided he was gonna REALLY f**k with the chords in his version! Also, the credits on Spotify mark it to 'Brian Wilson'. So I think it was an original. And the interesting chords certainly sound like something Brian would come up with during this period. When I first listened yesterday, and as with my first listen to 'Summer Means New Love' years back, I kept going 'OK, I know where THIS progression is going'... and getting it totally wrong. Listening to it was a lovely series of surprises!    Cheesy

The puzzle remains why the Beach Boys never returned to this stuff later, even if they never got 'I'm Confessing' finished in time for Friends. They were scraping the barrel for Brian compositions a few years later... why didn't they take another look at primo material like this?

One valid reason is that styles change as the years go by... and I can see why, say the 60s lounge of 'Be Here In The Morning Darling' would have seemed a bit passť on a BB release in, say, 1972... but if the Beach Boys did worry about this kind of thing, it didn't stop them putting out 'Suzie Cincinnati' multiple times throughout the course of the 70s... a decade not known for being particularly static in terms of prevailing musical styles in the pop idiom. Or using 'Good Time' unaltered six or seven years after it was recorded. Or releasing 'When Girls Get Together' about a DECADE after it was recorded!!

As usual, it's hard to disagree with Jack Rieley's assessment: "To sum it up, they blew it, they blew it consistently, they continue to blow it..." Amazing, world-beating songwriters and vocalists... lousy releasers of records.
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« Reply #264 on: December 07, 2018, 08:47:37 AM »

Meant For You (Alternate Version With Session Intro) - Is that Murry Wilson critiquing Brian's vocal over the talkback? Sounds like him. Shades of the Rhonda tape perhaps?
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« Reply #265 on: December 07, 2018, 08:52:09 AM »

Very excited by these releases, but I wonder why the strings version of Friends isn't included.
Love what we got, though.
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« Reply #266 on: December 07, 2018, 09:11:18 AM »

Maybe it's just me, but I hear hints of Lonely Days in I'm Confessin'. I wonder if it's an evolution of the same song.
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« Reply #267 on: December 07, 2018, 09:39:38 AM »

Itís also on youtube in the US.

Where?  Iíve searched and searched and found nothing.
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« Reply #268 on: December 07, 2018, 09:48:16 AM »

Itís also on youtube in the US.

Where?  Iíve searched and searched and found nothing.

Wake The World: The Friends Sessions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyWvnaxFJA&list=OLAK5uy_leglqA8yPOmWhd1wkPynUpERF78Mpfof8

I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymMddsuzKyc&list=OLAK5uy_mHwXKak8vDw4iib1F_sz-uvAfzPvDCp5g

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« Reply #269 on: December 07, 2018, 10:02:50 AM »

Itís also on youtube in the US.

Where?  Iíve searched and searched and found nothing.

Wake The World: The Friends Sessions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyWvnaxFJA&list=OLAK5uy_leglqA8yPOmWhd1wkPynUpERF78Mpfof8

I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymMddsuzKyc&list=OLAK5uy_mHwXKak8vDw4iib1F_sz-uvAfzPvDCp5g

Edit: working for me in Canada

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« Reply #270 on: December 07, 2018, 10:31:25 AM »

Meant For You (Alternate Version With Session Intro) - Is that Murry Wilson critiquing Brian's vocal over the talkback? Sounds like him. Shades of the Rhonda tape perhaps?

Murry unofficially co-produced the "Meant For You" session, along with a few other Friends tracks like "Ann Lee" and "Transcendental Mediation". He also sang the low bass note on "Be Here In The Morning", so he likely co-produced that one, as well.
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« Reply #271 on: December 07, 2018, 10:38:36 AM »

Did not know that!
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« Reply #272 on: December 07, 2018, 10:47:37 AM »

Meant For You (Alternate Version With Session Intro) - Is that Murry Wilson critiquing Brian's vocal over the talkback? Sounds like him. Shades of the Rhonda tape perhaps?

Murry unofficially co-produced the "Meant For You" session, along with a few other Friends tracks like "Ann Lee" and "Transcendental Mediation". He also sang the low bass note on "Be Here In The Morning", so he likely co-produced that one, as well.

The back-and-forth reminded me of the Rhonda session, as brief as it is presented here. Nothing changed in 3 years, and I cringed when Murry said "Brian..." over the talkback. Typical Brian reply too.
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« Reply #273 on: December 07, 2018, 11:08:20 AM »

Meant For You (Alternate Version With Session Intro) - Is that Murry Wilson critiquing Brian's vocal over the talkback? Sounds like him. Shades of the Rhonda tape perhaps?

Murry unofficially co-produced the "Meant For You" session, along with a few other Friends tracks like "Ann Lee" and "Transcendental Mediation". He also sang the low bass note on "Be Here In The Morning", so he likely co-produced that one, as well.

Fascinating. I'll say this for Murry: he helped get one of Mike's very best vocal performances (maybe even Mike's best) out of him.
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« Reply #274 on: December 07, 2018, 11:46:10 AM »

Links for the US Wake the World collection:

https://ume.lnk.to/WakeTheWorld?fbclid=IwAR1Gwc1S37bKnjw-TXfS3ef8Hd3Az_Tvj0RHC554WjX1hiYf9gWiZhmVt-0
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