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Title: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 12, 2017, 12:41:00 PM
Any thoughts on what we're getting next year? Friends outtakes, obviously, but what else? It's already in stereo, so no remixes. Live shows, of course, but what else?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 12, 2017, 12:53:13 PM
Any thoughts on what we're getting next year? Friends outtakes, obviously, but what else? It's already in stereo, so no remixes. Live shows, of course, but what else?

I could envision them doing a stereo remix of "Friends" even though it already exists in stereo, along the lines of the Pepper remix.

I'm surprised the version of "Friends" with the strings replacing the soaring vocals heard on the SOT set hasn't made it onto some sort of archival release by now.

But honestly, I'm hoping a wider archival program can be implemented soon so that we don't have to wait for each year's 50th anniversary to see more outtakes, and then only from that one year.

Don't wanna wait five more years for "Carry Me Home", etc. Or 12 or more years for the KTSA outtakes that are better than some of the album tracks.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 12, 2017, 01:07:23 PM
I have a hunch (hopefully) that the long-lost alternate versions of Friends songs, where lyrics were re-rewritten and re-corded years later, will emerge. Unless they are lost forever? I feel like most of the lost stuff eventually shows up (crosses fingers).

Also - probably more stems-type versions, like backing track w/backing vocals only, acapella versions, etc.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr. Tiger on December 12, 2017, 01:19:04 PM
I can't wait to hear every possible variation of every Friends track... particularly Little Bird.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: B.E. on December 12, 2017, 01:27:36 PM
Sign me up for any original mono mixes that may be lying around. If there aren't many, let's ask BW to revist the album and provide us a proper mono Friends!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 12, 2017, 01:34:35 PM
Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: metal flake paint on December 12, 2017, 01:52:20 PM
According to Craig Slowinski in a 2008 issue of ESQ, until the multitracks are scrutinised, there's no definite way to tell if it's Brian solo or Brian and possibly Al on "Transcendental Meditation". Hopefully we'll know for sure this time next year.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: B.E. on December 12, 2017, 01:55:20 PM
Any thoughts on what we're getting next year? Friends outtakes, obviously, but what else? It's already in stereo, so no remixes. Live shows, of course, but what else?

20/20 was recorded in '68. So, I think any of that material would be fair game.

... But honestly, I'm hoping a wider archival program can be implemented soon so that we don't have to wait for each year's 50th anniversary to see more outtakes, and then only from that one year.

Don't wanna wait five more years for "Carry Me Home", etc. Or 12 or more years for the KTSA outtakes that are better than some of the album tracks.

I totally agree. Even if it were only expanded to a 3-4 year period. At the risk of losing material, I think an expanded set dedicated to studio recordings between '68-'71 would be ideal (perhaps, disregarding the few CATP sessions in Dec '71-to save for the follow up). But I'm with you, waiting 5 more years for Carry Me Home is tough!!!

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

I agree, that would be interesting!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Reverberation on December 12, 2017, 02:34:54 PM
How likely do you think it is that we'll get to hear that 1968 instrumental version of "All I Wanna Do" with the sitar? Also was there ever a recorded version of Passing By with lyrics included? I know they went back and attempted to 'remake' friends after the fact, but it would be cool if they could include it if it exists.

Besides that maybe some Ol' Man River sessions, an instrumental backing track and/or detailed sessions from Busy Doin' Nothin' (really all of the songs, but this one especially, along with Anna Lee the Healer and Little Bird would be my favs), and if they're doing 20/20 stuff: I Went to Sleep, I Can Hear Music, Cotton Fields, and other tracks session outtakes would be cool (though I imagine they would want to save some of that for 2019).


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Wrightfan on December 12, 2017, 02:35:32 PM
If Friends and 20/20 fit, I would like to hear:
a capella and instrumental tracks (a given)
Even Stephen (The early "Busy doin' Nothin')
All I Wanna Do (Sitar version)
You're as Cool as Cool can Be
Our Happy Home
Transcendental Meditation (early version that has the "Indian Wisdom" section)
Walkin'
Can't Wait Too Long sessions


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Gabo on December 12, 2017, 03:19:45 PM
I hope to God we get more Old Man River!!!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 12, 2017, 03:25:24 PM
I hope to God we get more Old Man River!!!

I'm guessing the part where Mike gets pissed off at Brian's perfectionism and walks out of the session will be edited out. That probably didn't help Brian finish the song.

I want to hear more of what's available of OMR too.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Gabo on December 12, 2017, 04:27:45 PM
I hope to God we get more Old Man River!!!

I'm guessing the part where Mike gets pissed off at Brian's perfectionism and walks out of the session will be edited out. That probably didn't help Brian finish the song.

I want to hear more of what's available of OMR too.

On that note, on Sunshine Tomorrow/2/Live did they edit out Mike's banter about how low Heroes and Villains charted? I honestly haven't listened too much into the live stuff yet.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 12, 2017, 04:37:14 PM
I hope to God we get more Old Man River!!!

I'm guessing the part where Mike gets pissed off at Brian's perfectionism and walks out of the session will be edited out. That probably didn't help Brian finish the song.

I want to hear more of what's available of OMR too.

On that note, on Sunshine Tomorrow/2/Live did they edit out Mike's banter about how low Heroes and Villains charted? I honestly haven't listened too much into the live stuff yet.

Yep they did omit it, and while understandably so, it also sort of whitewashes that bit of history in the process. I say that while knowing Brian put Mike up to it. But I certainly don't fault the band or anyone involved for not releasing such an awkward nugget.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 12, 2017, 10:47:52 PM
A certain somebody elsewhere indicated a Friends set similar to Sunshine Tomorrow will be released next year.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 12, 2017, 10:54:00 PM
I've heard rumblings of the same thing; not a big stretch of the imagination.

And Friends/2020 in the same year is awesome, cause that means in consecutive years we've gotten stuff from my 4 favorite BB albums


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Needleinthehay on December 13, 2017, 02:29:45 AM
Guess we will have to wait until 2035 for studio version of “oh lord”? Better start taking better care of myself...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr Fulton on December 13, 2017, 05:52:12 AM
I’d be pretty upset if we had to wait till 2035 to hear Oh Lord. Very unfair on some of you life long fans who have always been there. If I was Old I would be very upset that I may never hear Boys And Girls And Oh Lord studio Version   Hope it gets sorted out


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: swinkhouse on December 13, 2017, 06:55:13 AM
Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.

On songs only sung by Brian, isn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" one? I always thought he's doing all the backing vocals for the song, I could be wrong though.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: wjcrerar on December 13, 2017, 07:21:54 AM
Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.

On songs only sung by Brian, isn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" one? I always thought he's doing all the backing vocals for the song, I could be wrong though.

Mostly but Carl's doing the lower harmony on the backing "aahhhh"s and Mike chimes in with the "baby don't you know" during the second verse, and also the "NO" responses in the tag but there's no way I would've realised that's not Brian without someone else pointing it out


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Pet Sounder on December 13, 2017, 09:20:00 AM
As long as the vaults are emptied of all things "We're Together Again", I'll be happy!  At the very least, I hope we'll get a backing track and vocals track.  The same treatment would be great for "Wake the World" as well, but I'm really pulling for "We're Together Again". 


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: hapman on December 13, 2017, 10:00:45 AM
I hope it'll be titled '1968 - When The Two Get Together Oh Oh Ho Ho Oh Ho'


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 13, 2017, 12:46:11 PM
The 1968 live shows in the vaults, especially US shows with "Friends" material, could be quite interesting. Unlike the '67 shows on "Live Sunshine", which have circulated for a number of years, none of the '68 shows excerpted on "Made in California" are circulating as far as I know.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 13, 2017, 02:04:41 PM
Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.

On songs only sung by Brian, isn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" one? I always thought he's doing all the backing vocals for the song, I could be wrong though.

Mostly but Carl's doing the lower harmony on the backing "aahhhh"s and Mike chimes in with the "baby don't you know" during the second verse, and also the "NO" responses in the tag but there's no way I would've realised that's not Brian without someone else pointing it out

The track sheets for "I'm Waiting For The Day" seem to indicate that all the vocals are Brian and Mike...meaning it would be Mike, not Carl, singing the lower harmony "aahhh's...and I'm pretty sure it's Brian singing the "baby don't you know" bit.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on December 13, 2017, 02:59:57 PM
I hope it'll be titled '1968 - When The Two Get Together Oh Oh Ho Ho Oh Ho'


Nonsense , it clearly needs to be called:

"1968 - I Wrote Her Number Down But I Lost It So I Searched Through My Pocket Book I Couldn't Find It So I Sat And Concentrated On The Number And Slowly It Came To Me So I Dialed It And I Let It Ring A Few Times There Was No Answer So I Let It Ring A Little More Still No Answer So I Hung Up The Telephone Got Some Paper And Sharpened Up A Pencil And Wrote A Letter To My Friend"


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: rab2591 on December 13, 2017, 03:01:57 PM
I wonder if we’ll get the full tape of the tag of ‘All I Want To Do’...may have to put an explicit content label on this one ;D


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: wjcrerar on December 13, 2017, 03:02:34 PM
Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.

On songs only sung by Brian, isn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" one? I always thought he's doing all the backing vocals for the song, I could be wrong though.

Mostly but Carl's doing the lower harmony on the backing "aahhhh"s and Mike chimes in with the "baby don't you know" during the second verse, and also the "NO" responses in the tag but there's no way I would've realised that's not Brian without someone else pointing it out

The track sheets for "I'm Waiting For The Day" seem to indicate that all the vocals are Brian and Mike...meaning it would be Mike, not Carl, singing the lower harmony "aahhh's...and I'm pretty sure it's Brian singing the "baby don't you know" bit.

You definitely know more about this stuff than I do but on the Pet Sounds Sessions a capella mix at the end when everything other than the "ahhhh"s has faded out that's 100% Carl's voice...at least for the end anyway. I can buy Brian doing the "baby don't you know" but if so that's the best Mike impression he ever did.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 13, 2017, 05:39:47 PM
I wonder if we’ll get the full tape of the tag of ‘All I Want To Do’...may have to put an explicit content label on this one ;D
Photoshop a parental advisory sticker on 20/20! ;D 


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 13, 2017, 05:49:58 PM
I wonder if we’ll get the full tape of the tag of ‘All I Want To Do’...may have to put an explicit content label on this one ;D

AGD said he half-jokingly, but actually suggested a release of those tapes (which still apparently exist, both "performance takes"), and unsurprisingly the powers that be said nope.  It still blows my mind that Dennis slyly released the very first celebrity sex tape.  It may sound crass, but I'm legitimately surprised that it isn't more recognized as a notable first, because as far as I know it's a legitimate contender for holding that record. Firsts in media are pretty fascinating to me, and new ground was certainly broken!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 13, 2017, 09:13:47 PM
He remembered to bring his woodie to the beach.



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 13, 2017, 09:28:39 PM
Doe suggested it to the powers that be.

Ok then. No wonder it didn't go anywhere.

Pardon me, I'm going to ring McCartney and demand he release the "Carnival Of Light" tapes. Anyone else want the number?



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 13, 2017, 09:46:49 PM
Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.

On songs only sung by Brian, isn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" one? I always thought he's doing all the backing vocals for the song, I could be wrong though.

Mostly but Carl's doing the lower harmony on the backing "aahhhh"s and Mike chimes in with the "baby don't you know" during the second verse, and also the "NO" responses in the tag but there's no way I would've realised that's not Brian without someone else pointing it out

The track sheets for "I'm Waiting For The Day" seem to indicate that all the vocals are Brian and Mike...meaning it would be Mike, not Carl, singing the lower harmony "aahhh's...and I'm pretty sure it's Brian singing the "baby don't you know" bit.

You definitely know more about this stuff than I do but on the Pet Sounds Sessions a capella mix at the end when everything other than the "ahhhh"s has faded out that's 100% Carl's voice...at least for the end anyway. I can buy Brian doing the "baby don't you know" but if so that's the best Mike impression he ever did.

It's amazing on some sections of Pet Sounds, especially, to find out just how many of those stacked voices are Brian's. he could cover each member's range and would do so, especially in 66-67.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Ebb and Flow on December 13, 2017, 09:54:08 PM
Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.

On songs only sung by Brian, isn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" one? I always thought he's doing all the backing vocals for the song, I could be wrong though.

Mostly but Carl's doing the lower harmony on the backing "aahhhh"s and Mike chimes in with the "baby don't you know" during the second verse, and also the "NO" responses in the tag but there's no way I would've realised that's not Brian without someone else pointing it out

The track sheets for "I'm Waiting For The Day" seem to indicate that all the vocals are Brian and Mike...meaning it would be Mike, not Carl, singing the lower harmony "aahhh's...and I'm pretty sure it's Brian singing the "baby don't you know" bit.

The third vocal OD by Mike is when the "Baby Don't You Know" and the "No!" and "Uh Huh" interjections in the tag were recorded, as well as some unused stuff in the middle.  This can be heard crystal clear on the SOT bootleg.  It's definitely him.  Also I've never seen (or heard) any convincing evidence that Brian is doing all of the backing vocals, though I concede that he might have done most of them.  Wouldn't there have to be a tape bounce done before the lead vocal was recorded for that to be the case?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 13, 2017, 10:25:27 PM
Doe suggested it to the powers that be.

Ok then. No wonder it didn't go anywhere.

Pardon me, I'm going to ring McCartney and demand he release the "Carnival Of Light" tapes. Anyone else want the number?



I'll make the call, I'm  busy having phone sex with Mandy Moore shh don't tell the wife

Seriously though, I thought that was a bit rich.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 14, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
Dammit Billy! :lol


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: wjcrerar on December 14, 2017, 08:52:20 AM
Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.

On songs only sung by Brian, isn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" one? I always thought he's doing all the backing vocals for the song, I could be wrong though.

Mostly but Carl's doing the lower harmony on the backing "aahhhh"s and Mike chimes in with the "baby don't you know" during the second verse, and also the "NO" responses in the tag but there's no way I would've realised that's not Brian without someone else pointing it out

The track sheets for "I'm Waiting For The Day" seem to indicate that all the vocals are Brian and Mike...meaning it would be Mike, not Carl, singing the lower harmony "aahhh's...and I'm pretty sure it's Brian singing the "baby don't you know" bit.

You definitely know more about this stuff than I do but on the Pet Sounds Sessions a capella mix at the end when everything other than the "ahhhh"s has faded out that's 100% Carl's voice...at least for the end anyway. I can buy Brian doing the "baby don't you know" but if so that's the best Mike impression he ever did.

It's amazing on some sections of Pet Sounds, especially, to find out just how many of those stacked voices are Brian's. he could cover each member's range and would do so, especially in 66-67.

The Vega-Tables ballad insert is the one that gets me. Also the session for the Whispering Winds fade on SoT - I think the final overdub adds Al and maybe Carl into the mix (Sunshine Tomorrow 2 proves there's definitely at least Al) but before that all the counterpoints around Mike's lead are just Brian building it up himself overdub by overdub. Never would've guessed so many of those voices are only one guy.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 14, 2017, 01:58:12 PM
Just more proof he was doing Wall of Brians long before his solo career


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: jiggy22 on December 17, 2017, 07:27:39 PM
My wishlist:

1968 - Let's Be Friends

Disc One:
Friends Stereo Remix:
   1. Meant for You (2018 Stereo Remix)
   2. Friends (2018 Stereo Remix)
   3. Wake the World (2018 Stereo Remix)
   4. Be Here in the Mornin' (2018 Stereo Remix)
   5. When a Man Needs a Woman (2018 Stereo Remix)
   6. Passing By (2018 Stereo Remix)
   7. Anna Lee, the Healer (2018 Stereo Remix)
   8. Little Bird (2018 Stereo Remix)
   9. Be Still (2018 Stereo Remix)
   10. Busy Doin' Nothin' (2018 Stereo Remix)
   11. Diamond Head (2018 Stereo Remix)
   12. Transcendental Meditation (2018 Stereo Remix)
Friends Sessions: February-April 1968
   13. Meant for You (Long Version) (Alternate Mix)
   14. Friends (Session Highlights/Stereo Backing Track)
   15. Be Here in the Mornin' (Alternate Version)
   16. Little Bird (Session Highlights/Stereo Backing Track)
   17. Even Steven (Busy Doin' Nothin')
   18. Diamond Head (Session Highlights)
   19. Transcendental Meditation (A Cappella)
   20. Ol' Man River (Session Highlights/Alternate Version)
   21. Walk on By (Alternate Version)
   22. My Little Red Book (Demo)
   23. New Song (Doves of Peace/Indian Wisdom)
   24. All I Wanna Do (First Version)
   25. You're as Cool as You Can Be
   26. Our Happy Home
Friends Live:
   27. Friends (Live 1968)
   28. Wake the World (Live 1968)
   29. Little Bird (Live 1968)
Additional Recordings:
   30. Friends (1972 Version)
   31. Wake the World (1972 Version)
   32. Passing By (1972 Version)
   33. Be Still (1972 Version)
   34. Ol' Man River (A Cappella)

Disc Two:
20/20 Stereo Remix:
   1. Do it Again (2018 Stereo Remix)
   2. I Can Hear Music (2018 Stereo Remix)
   3. Bluebirds Over the Mountain (2018 Stereo Remix)
   4. Be with Me (2018 Stereo Remix)
   5. All I Want to Do (2018 Stereo Remix)
   6. The Nearest Faraway Place (2018 Stereo Remix)
   7. Cotton Fields (2018 Stereo Remix)
   8. I Went to Sleep (2018 Stereo Remix)
   9. Time to Get Alone (2018 Stereo Remix)
   10. Never Learn Not to Love (2018 Stereo Remix)
   11. Our Prayer (2018 Stereo Remix)
   12. Cabinessence (2018 Stereo Remix)
20/20 Sessions: May-November 1968
   13. Rendezvous (Do it Again) (Session Highlights)
   14. Bluebirds Over the Mountain (September 1967 Backing Track)
   15. The Nearest Faraway Place (Alternate Version w/Vocals)
   16. Time to Get Alone (A Cappella)
   17. Never Learn Not to Love (Alternate Mix)
   18. Cabinessence (Dennis Overdub - A Cappella)
   19. We're Together Again (Version One)
   20. We're Together Again (Version Two - A Cappella)
   21. Sail Plane Song (Session Highlights/Alternate Mix)
   22. Walkin'
   21. Oh Yeah
   21. Can't Wait too Long (Sections)
   22. Can't Wait too Long (2018 Stereo Remix)
20/20 Live:
   26. Do it Again (Live 1968)
   27. I Can Hear Music (Live 1969)
   28. Bluebirds Over the Mountain (Live 1968)
   29. All I Want to Do (Live 1968)
   30. The Nearest Faraway Place (Live 1969)
Additional Recordings:
   31. All I Want to Do (Tag Overdub Session)

According to AGD's site, another track called "The Gong" was recorded on November 16th, but I'm fairly certain it's just the intro to "Never Learn Not to Love". Also, if there were any vocals ever recorded for "Mona Kana", throw 'em on there as well.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on December 17, 2017, 09:33:37 PM
30 years of Kokomo, and 40 years of MIU.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr Fulton on December 18, 2017, 05:36:35 AM
it was only the bridge section of New Song that was known to collectors as Indian Wisdom or Spanish Guitar Song


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jeff on December 18, 2017, 11:45:02 AM
If all we got for Can't Wait Too Long was a "2018 Stereo Remix" and "Sections," I would be very disappointed, and would not buy it.  Why can't they make a legitimate attempt to compile a best-guess version of the final song?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 18, 2017, 12:02:19 PM
In not sure where to put this question, so I'll just throw it in here. Is it just me, or is the melody of the verses from "Stevie" a reworking of "New Song"?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: wjcrerar on December 18, 2017, 12:06:05 PM
If all we got for Can't Wait Too Long was a "2018 Stereo Remix" and "Sections," I would be very disappointed, and would not buy it.  Why can't they make a legitimate attempt to compile a best-guess version of the final song?

I don't know what the chances of this happening are but I'd love to see them try a version syncing up Brian's '67 chorus vocal to the final track, they've already released the sections in their unfinished state and the Smile Sessions set a precedent for this sort of thing so there's no reason not to do it. From studying what's on SoT and other bootlegs I'm pretty sure a best-guess full structure would (or should) go something like this:

Intro
Verse (acoustic guitar and vibes version)
Chorus
Verse (handclaps and wordless vocals version)
Chorus
Bridge ("miss you darlin'")
Short Verse ("now I'm alone lyin' down")
Tag (with syncopated "baby you know I can't wait forever" if it still exists)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: terrei on December 19, 2017, 06:47:43 AM
Why can't they make a legitimate attempt to compile a best-guess version of the final song?

They did. The only piece of CWTL we haven't gotten is what sounds like a '68 rerecording of the same arrangement that appears on Sunshine Tomorrow.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jeff on December 19, 2017, 03:10:23 PM
We don't know whether any other pieces are out there but unbooted.  And I'm not just looking for the pieces.  The song deserves a comprehensive construction rather than the half-hearted attempts of the past.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Willy Wilson on December 19, 2017, 04:32:02 PM
I'd love the 20/20 version of 'Time To Get Alone' as vocals only... maybe some session highlights of "DEEP AND WIDE!!!"  :hat

Vocals only 'Never Learn Not To Love' too please, Mark and Alan.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mustomax on September 17, 2018, 09:32:52 AM
No news about that?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jim V. on September 17, 2018, 10:03:48 AM
I'm getting the feeling that we ain't getting a physical release of any unreleased 1968 material this year. The summer was taken over by the useless orchestral disc and it's getting a little late for the classic fall release that would usually come in like October or November. So unless we hear some news soon, I'd assume we will only be getting a December copyright dump in digital only format. Which I admit I wouldn't be heartbroken over, as it's the music that matters to me, but I wouldn't mind that if the stuff gets released, it gets an actual physical release.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: doc smiley on September 17, 2018, 05:58:45 PM
I'm getting the feeling that we ain't getting a physical release of any unreleased 1968 material this year. The summer was taken over by the useless orchestral disc and it's getting a little late for the classic fall release that would usually come in like October or November. So unless we hear some news soon, I'd assume we will only be getting a December copyright dump in digital only format. Which I admit I wouldn't be heartbroken over, as it's the music that matters to me, but I wouldn't mind that if the stuff gets released, it gets an actual physical release.


How about a December copyright dump in digital-only format, followed up next year with a multi-CD release of 1968 and 1969 recordings together, excluding material that should/could add to an expanded Sunflower recording in 2020?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 17, 2018, 09:56:57 PM
I'm getting the feeling that we ain't getting a physical release of any unreleased 1968 material this year. The summer was taken over by the useless orchestral disc and it's getting a little late for the classic fall release that would usually come in like October or November. So unless we hear some news soon, I'd assume we will only be getting a December copyright dump in digital only format. Which I admit I wouldn't be heartbroken over, as it's the music that matters to me, but I wouldn't mind that if the stuff gets released, it gets an actual physical release.


How about a December copyright dump in digital-only format, followed up next year with a multi-CD release of 1968 and 1969 recordings together, excluding material that should/could add to an expanded Sunflower recording in 2020?

That is what I'm expecting, personally.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: The Real Barnyard on September 18, 2018, 01:53:16 PM
Probably both December London shows will appear as digital download.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mustomax on September 19, 2018, 02:44:23 AM
and the concert from wich "friends" and" little bird" are taken on "made in california"...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Blake Alan on September 21, 2018, 08:11:00 AM
and the concert from wich "friends" and" little bird" are taken on "made in california"...

That's definitely something I could get excited about! Bring it on.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on September 30, 2018, 03:39:30 PM
Posted this on PSF and almost forgot to post it here. I have it on good authority that there will be a '68 set coming in November. From what I hear, the physical version will be smaller than the digital one.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: John Brode on September 30, 2018, 05:01:22 PM
Posted this on PSF and almost forgot to post it here. I have it on good authority that there will be a '68 set coming in November. From what I hear, the physical version will be smaller than the digital one.
I'm guessing it will be like the releases last year, where we get a 2CD set and then a huge expansive collection on iTunes and Spotify.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mustomax on October 01, 2018, 12:42:13 AM
Can't wait to get more info about this!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 01, 2018, 03:41:02 AM
From a heads-up on the PSForum. Brian in the studio over the weekend. Related?

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/42738289_10157412526232241_4180534081445953536_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&oh=6cebb4c6b63d241dc4b2eac0da6cc0d1&oe=5C60713C

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/42829132_10157412526172241_596559090419761152_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&oh=c2b5c4e56da9158a3a19e99eb9db0110&oe=5C245067


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 01, 2018, 09:19:38 AM
Posted this on PSF and almost forgot to post it here. I have it on good authority that there will be a '68 set coming in November. From what I hear, the physical version will be smaller than the digital one.

I think you meant December 😁



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr. Tiger on October 01, 2018, 09:59:07 AM
Posted this on PSF and almost forgot to post it here. I have it on good authority that there will be a '68 set coming in November. From what I hear, the physical version will be smaller than the digital one.

Yahoo!! :)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: PetSmile on October 01, 2018, 02:20:56 PM
I would say the most important tracks they could include on this upcoming compilation album are the 1970s "Friends" remakes, which Brian was persuaded to reclaim his legacy with during that period. If these are kept in the vaults for some reason, it would be devastating. Also hoping for the "America, I Know You" backing track and those "Friends" Desper remixes that are on his website, but polished up for a commercial release.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on October 01, 2018, 02:57:00 PM
I would say the most important tracks they could include on this upcoming compilation album are the 1970s "Friends" remakes, which Brian was persuaded to reclaim his legacy with during that period. If these are kept in the vaults for some reason, it would be devastating. Also hoping for the "America, I Know You" backing track and those "Friends" Desper remixes that are on his website, but polished up for a commercial release
Unfortunately the tapes for the Friends remake were stolen, so don't expect that.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: PetSmile on October 01, 2018, 03:14:50 PM
I would say the most important tracks they could include on this upcoming compilation album are the 1970s "Friends" remakes, which Brian was persuaded to reclaim his legacy with during that period. If these are kept in the vaults for some reason, it would be devastating. Also hoping for the "America, I Know You" backing track and those "Friends" Desper remixes that are on his website, but polished up for a commercial release
Unfortunately the tapes for the Friends remake were stolen, so don't expect that.

That's awful. I'm not exactly questioning you, but whereabouts are you getting that information from? Passing By (1972)" is listed as one of the "Bedroom Tapes" on this website: https://www.laweekly.com/music/brian-wilsons-secret-bedroom-tapes-a-track-by-track-description-4479099.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on October 01, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
I can't really say, but I don't have any reason to doubt the source that's told me this. It must've been after this article was published.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: PetSmile on October 01, 2018, 03:58:46 PM
For goodness' sake, you would think they would have made digital copies of the recordings or something. Such a painful loss for all of us, no doubt. Oh well, hope they turn up one day and there's a reward for the person that brings 'em in.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on October 01, 2018, 08:28:29 PM
Just 'cause it's part of this list doesn't mean it's been heard or seen by anyone in decades...all of the Friends rewrites mentioned here AND "Song For God" are described from the recollections of Stanley Shapiro, who was involved with or otherwise there to hear them in the '70s. They could very well have disappeared/been stolen long before the dawn of the digital age.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Aomdiddlywalla on October 02, 2018, 12:27:08 PM
Bri in the studio?.. hence the A4 list sheets....... Approving the tracks/list for the 68 CR release?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: jackjachman on October 03, 2018, 07:34:12 AM
Bri in the studio?.. hence the A4 list sheets....... Approving the tracks/list for the 68 CR release?

Oh man, I always wish someone would do some subtle behind the scenes of video of filming Brian as he listens to all the music to approve it. Would love to see his reactions to hearing all this stuff he worked so hard on and getting to hear his brothers talking in some of the various studio chatter tracks, has to be quite the emotional experience. I've always been so curious how it happens, does he listen to it with a group of people like Mark Linett and Alan Boyd who he can discuss with, or does he do it alone like when he watched Love & Mercy for the first time? And how much of it does he actually listen to considering there are hours of material released every year now, especially something like Live Sunshine that was 6 hours of concert material?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on October 03, 2018, 07:41:11 AM
Doesn't Brian have a microphone in front of him in those recent studio shots? I assumed he was cutting a vocal (or doing voiceover work?), and simply doing it "direct" from the booth and was sitting because he probably still needs to do even studio work sitting due to his back.

Anything is possible, and the fact that he's sitting with no headphones and no engineer is in sight leaves open the possibility that he's listening rather than recording. (The sheets looks like longer-form paragraphs rather than track listings, but who knows).


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on October 03, 2018, 08:09:21 AM
Doesn't Brian have a microphone in front of him in those recent studio shots? I assumed he was cutting a vocal (or doing voiceover work?), and simply doing it "direct" from the booth and was sitting because he probably still needs to do even studio work sitting due to his back.

Anything is possible, and the fact that he's sitting with no headphones and no engineer is in sight leaves open the possibility that he's listening rather than recording. (The sheets looks like longer-form paragraphs rather than track listings, but who knows).

I'm pretty sure Brian is doing something more in these studio shots than just listening to 50 year old tapes - for one thing, he would most likely be doing that at Mark's studio, and these shots are definitely from Oceanway Studio A (the old United Studio A). For another thing, members of his band are there in other shots  - there's a shot of Mike D'Amico recording a drum track, and then apparently listening to the playback in the control room. I'd say Brian's into something new here!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mustomax on October 05, 2018, 12:35:24 AM
Could I have a link, about the "friends remake", to get more info about it, please? thanks...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: John Brode on October 05, 2018, 10:41:47 AM
Is Carl's lead vocal on Cabin Essence that we all know a vocal from 1968? Or is it a SMiLE era recording?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: wjcrerar on October 05, 2018, 10:51:56 AM
Is Carl's lead vocal on Cabin Essence that we all know a vocal from 1968? Or is it a SMiLE era recording?

1968, along with Dennis on the second chorus, but I think the multitrack with their vocals is missing. At least I remember reading they're missing now from an interview about the Smile Sessions.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Blake Alan on October 10, 2018, 07:39:08 AM
Not sure how likely this is, but one thing I wouldn’t mind hearing on this year’s set would be Bluebirds Over the Mountain without the lead guitar. No disrespect to Ed Carter, who certainly knew how to handle his business, but I never felt the rock style of guitar worked in this particular song. Always suspected I might like it more if there were a version sans lead. Just one man's opinion, of course.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Matt H on October 10, 2018, 07:51:50 AM
Not sure how likely this is, but one thing I wouldn’t mind hearing on this year’s set would be Bluebirds of the Mountain without the lead guitar. No disrespect to Ed Carter, who certainly knew how to handle his business, but I never felt the rock style of guitar worked in this particular song. Always suspected I might like it more if there were a version sans lead. Just one man's opinion, of course.

I agree, I think it sounds out of place on that song.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: yonderhillside on October 13, 2018, 01:32:31 PM
Just to simply have all the Friends/early 20/20 era outtakes all in one place would suit me. Add some unbooted tracks to that and we're golden.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: superunison on November 06, 2018, 02:10:43 AM
Did anyone mention the Bob & Bobby tracks "Twelve-O-Four" and "Baby What You Want Me To Do" for their wish list yet? These are 1968 BW productions correct? Would like to have clean mixes of these.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on November 06, 2018, 06:52:26 AM
The  credit for the Twelve-0-Four side says production and writing by Bob Norberg. Can't find an image of Baby What You Want Me To Do.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: superunison on November 06, 2018, 01:29:29 PM
The  credit for the Twelve-0-Four side says production and writing by Bob Norberg. Can't find an image of Baby What You Want Me To Do.

Oh really? I was going off of this old link: https://www.surfermoon.com/essays/bwprods.html

What are the odds we could get these if Brian was only a performer and not the producer of the session?
 



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: “Big Daddy” on November 06, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
Other websites say that the single came out in ’65 (http://www.45cat.com/record/us-x847559), so not sure how likely that is to end up on this year’s compilation.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: superunison on November 06, 2018, 02:39:11 PM
Other websites say that the single came out in ’65 (http://www.45cat.com/record/us-x847559), so not sure how likely that is to end up on this year’s compilation.

Wow, did not know this. Always had it in my Master Mix as a 1968 anomaly...

The other track on the 45:

The AFM contract # 106707 for "Baby What You Want Me To Do" (aka "Peep And Hide") states:

date: August 17, 1964
musicians: Tommy Morgan, Hal Blaine, Tommy Tedesco, William Pitman
producers: Brian Wilson, Bob Norberg
session leader: Hal Blaine


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on November 06, 2018, 10:38:40 PM
I'm probably in the minority, but I really couldn't care less about Brian's outside productions. I know it's part of his overall body of work, but I think the main focus should always be his Beach Boys work, and his own solo work.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Ebb and Flow on November 07, 2018, 02:08:47 AM
Did anyone mention the Bob & Bobby tracks "Twelve-O-Four" and "Baby What You Want Me To Do" for their wish list yet? These are 1968 BW productions correct? Would like to have clean mixes of these.

Twelve-O-Four was released in 2000 on this compilation: https://www.discogs.com/Various-Rare-Surf-Volume-5-The-Capitol-Masters-1/release/4329252
The mix on there is a very clean mono mix from the master.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: PetSmile on November 12, 2018, 06:54:08 AM
I would have thought the upcoming release, which people are confident is coming out, would have been announced by now, as I doubt it's a throwaway download only album. Sunshine Tomorrow was announced about a month before its release, and it's sooner than a month before this new compilation album should come out. Anyone have any idea what's going on?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: B.E. on November 12, 2018, 07:03:40 AM
I would have thought the upcoming release, which people are confident is coming out, would have been announced by now, as I doubt it's a throwaway download only album. Sunshine Tomorrow was announced about a month before its release, and it's sooner than a month before this new compilation album should come out. Anyone have any idea what's going on?

Posted today at PSF:

So...Alan Boyd popped up on the Discord last night and talked about the 1968 set. Only plans for a digital release for now, mid to late December.

"Lots of interesting tracks and fragments from the FRIENDS and 20/20 sessions. New track and a cappella mixes too, alternate versions and a batch of concert tapes from the 1968 summer tour."

It's coming, lads.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: PetSmile on November 12, 2018, 07:12:09 AM
Thanks for the information.

Even if it is download only, it'd be great to have a tracklist announced.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on November 13, 2018, 07:02:13 AM

Posted today at PSF:

So...Alan Boyd popped up on the Discord last night and talked about the 1968 set. Only plans for a digital release for now, mid to late December.

"Lots of interesting tracks and fragments from the FRIENDS and 20/20 sessions. New track and a cappella mixes too, alternate versions and a batch of concert tapes from the 1968 summer tour."

It's coming, lads.


Fabulous!



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: WWDWD? on November 17, 2018, 03:05:38 AM
Very stoked!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Howie Edelson on November 17, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Get very psyched.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: superunison on November 17, 2018, 10:04:10 AM
I'm beyond psyched. This is my favorite Beach Boys era!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on November 22, 2018, 07:17:39 AM
Saw on Twitter that Howie Edelson posted on Facebook, ""For fans of the '68 material. . . Brace yourselves. It's incredible. An absolute game changer."


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Ian on November 22, 2018, 09:10:29 AM
He always says that! Doesn’t mean he’s wrong though  :)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 22, 2018, 10:23:16 AM
Hyped


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on November 22, 2018, 11:15:15 AM
He always says that! Doesn’t mean he’s wrong though  :)

Trust me - not wrong. :)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on November 22, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
He always says that! Doesn’t mean he’s wrong though  :)

Trust me - not wrong. :)
:banana


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on November 22, 2018, 11:43:05 AM
He always says that! Doesn’t mean he’s wrong though  :)

Trust me - not wrong. :)


Oh hellllls yes!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr Fulton on November 22, 2018, 01:49:47 PM
I’m really excited for this   I just hope it’s not too far away


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: WyattFunderburk on November 22, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
So.  Pumped.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Matt H on November 27, 2018, 07:12:34 AM
Any idea when this will be released and what the tracklist will be?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: RONDEMON on November 27, 2018, 07:57:44 AM
Still no info on this and it apparently comes out next month? Jeez.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on November 27, 2018, 08:14:50 AM
Still no info on this and it apparently comes out next month? Jeez.

The general pattern for the "copyright extension" digital releases has been that little or no info (e.g. track listings) is announced before the "release date." This goes all the way back to the 2013 "Big Beat '63" set, and then the '64 studio and live sets, and the '65 and '66 live sets.

For instance, last year, it looks like both the "Sunshine Tomorrow 2" and "Live Sunshine" collections came out on December 8th, and it was only about a week prior that titles and general descriptions (nature of the tracks and total number, but not track listings) started floating around. It really wasn't until it started going up for sale in various international territories that we got the full track listings.

Last I heard, the '68 sets might hit in later December rather than early, so I wouldn't necessarily expect a ton of info prior to later into December, and we may not see actual track listings until the sets actually start hitting online shops for purchase.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Shady on November 27, 2018, 09:35:49 AM
I would have thought the upcoming release, which people are confident is coming out, would have been announced by now, as I doubt it's a throwaway download only album. Sunshine Tomorrow was announced about a month before its release, and it's sooner than a month before this new compilation album should come out. Anyone have any idea what's going on?

Posted today at PSF:

So...Alan Boyd popped up on the Discord last night and talked about the 1968 set. Only plans for a digital release for now, mid to late December.

"Lots of interesting tracks and fragments from the FRIENDS and 20/20 sessions. New track and a cappella mixes too, alternate versions and a batch of concert tapes from the 1968 summer tour."

It's coming, lads.


So excited


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ReggieDunbar on November 27, 2018, 01:11:46 PM
On instagram Mike is caught humming ’We’re together again’.

FallBreaks came up with the theory that he listened to the extension release recently

//RD





Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: BeachBoysCovers on November 27, 2018, 02:11:01 PM
On instagram Mike is caught humming ’We’re together again’.

FallBreaks came up with the theory that he listened to the extension release recently

//RD





Link?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ReggieDunbar on November 27, 2018, 10:56:07 PM
No links in instagram stories. But check Ambhas stories from the last 24h

//RD


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Howie Edelson on November 28, 2018, 02:59:39 PM
The thing that stands out most about the new '68 material is how untouched by contemporary influences Brian is throughout. Sans a few instances where you can pick up a decidedly Bacharach vibe -- this music is pure Brian. He was going somewhere pretty unique before the "pause." On the other hand, the Dennis music -- and there is A LOT of it -- shows him blossoming in real time, feeling his way through. REALLY powerful stuff -- also devoid of any contemporary influences. Eerily, this music feels very modern. The overriding feeling I get is akin to when McCartney caught up to Lennon at Rubber Soul and Revolver. This BB period has two leaders pretty much creating a quality of work that's neck and neck with each other. It's arguably the one and only time it went down like this. I'm blown away by this stuff, probably more so than I was by the '67 stash.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on November 28, 2018, 05:01:40 PM
The thing that stands out most about the new '68 material is how untouched by contemporary influences Brian is throughout. Sans a few instances where you can pick up a decidedly Bacharach vibe -- this music is pure Brian. He was going somewhere pretty unique before the "pause." On the other hand, the Dennis music -- and there is A LOT of it -- shows him blossoming in real time, feeling his way through. REALLY powerful stuff -- also devoid of any contemporary influences. Eerily, this music feels very modern. The overriding feeling I get is akin to when McCartney caught up to Lennon at Rubber Soul and Revolver. This BB period has two leaders pretty much creating a quality of work that's neck and neck with each other. It's arguably the one and only time it went down like this. I'm blown away by this stuff, probably more so than I was by the '67 stash.

Rad. Cannot wait.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 28, 2018, 05:12:52 PM
The thing that stands out most about the new '68 material is how untouched by contemporary influences Brian is throughout. Sans a few instances where you can pick up a decidedly Bacharach vibe -- this music is pure Brian. He was going somewhere pretty unique before the "pause." On the other hand, the Dennis music -- and there is A LOT of it -- shows him blossoming in real time, feeling his way through. REALLY powerful stuff -- also devoid of any contemporary influences. Eerily, this music feels very modern. The overriding feeling I get is akin to when McCartney caught up to Lennon at Rubber Soul and Revolver. This BB period has two leaders pretty much creating a quality of work that's neck and neck with each other. It's arguably the one and only time it went down like this. I'm blown away by this stuff, probably more so than I was by the '67 stash.

Brother you have me extremely excited to hear what's on its way!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Wata on November 28, 2018, 05:38:04 PM
It's been talked on Discord that several new session dates in 1968 were added to Bellagio(http://www.bellagio10452.com/gigs68.html (http://www.bellagio10452.com/gigs68.html)). To quote SaltyMarshmallow over there:

Away
I’m Confessin
You’re as Cool as Can Be track 1
You’re as Cool as Can Be track 2
Rock & Roll Woman track
Time to Get Alone demo
All I Wanna Do (May 24 session)
Well You Know I Knew (June 3)
Can’t Wait Too Long (sessions on July 24, 25, 26 & 30)
Mona Kana demo (July 25)
Dennis demos: Love Affair/Be With Me/Peaches (Aug 29)
I Can Hear Music demo
All I Want to Do (extra sessions)
Is It True What They Say About Dixie (Audree Wilson lead vocal)

Now I'm SO hyped!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 28, 2018, 06:26:53 PM
Me too!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr. Tiger on November 28, 2018, 06:45:29 PM
The thing that stands out most about the new '68 material is how untouched by contemporary influences Brian is throughout. Sans a few instances where you can pick up a decidedly Bacharach vibe -- this music is pure Brian. He was going somewhere pretty unique before the "pause."

I am firmly of the opinion that during the Friends period and the brief Old Man River period immediately after, Brian was following his muse again ala SMiLE, albeit with some musical contributions from his bandmates here and there that weren't part of the process in 1966/67.

This is not meant to be a knock on the Smiley Smile and Wild Honey albums, both of which are clearly amazing, but to me, Smiley represented a production compromise for Brian while Wild Honey was a stylistic compromise.

To write that I am beyond excited for this release would be understating it. This is almost as big for me as the SMiLE box. I just hope there will be high resolution downloads available, since there won't be a physical release.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr. Tiger on November 28, 2018, 07:08:00 PM
On the other hand, the Dennis music -- and there is A LOT of it -- shows him blossoming in real time, feeling his way through. REALLY powerful stuff -- also devoid of any contemporary influences. Eerily, this music feels very modern. The overriding feeling I get is akin to when McCartney caught up to Lennon at Rubber Soul and Revolver. This BB period has two leaders pretty much creating a quality of work that's neck and neck with each other. It's arguably the one and only time it went down like this. I'm blown away by this stuff, probably more so than I was by the '67 stash.

That's really interesting, because the impression I tended to get from Dennis during this period was that he was still very Brian influenced on tracks like Little Bird, and that his writing voice wouldn't really fully emerge until a little later on (20/20, which I'm assuming is part of the set too). I thought there was maybe less overlap between them, with Dennis really blossoming as a distinctive songwriter just as Brian withdrew after Old Man River. I definitely look forward to becoming better informed about his early development.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on November 28, 2018, 08:27:32 PM
It is absolutely bonkers to me that the band was simultaneously working on two songs with nearly the same title, All I Wanna Do and All I Want To Do. Wazzup with that!?  Different songwriters yes, but I'm sure they all had to be aware of this… Very bizzarre.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: terrei on November 29, 2018, 07:11:35 PM
The thing that stands out most about the new '68 material is how untouched by contemporary influences Brian is throughout.

Also Donovan's A Gift from a Flower to a Garden...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on November 30, 2018, 09:58:42 AM
I'm just reiterating what others including Howie have said in the past, which is: Is there any other band from the 60s (or any other time for that matter) with *this* much material still in the archives that's so different, new, and of high quality?

Even the *mind-blowing* Beatles sets from '67 and '68 feature stuff that's been booted (albeit now in much better quality), and then alternate takes/mixes of the songs we all know. Again, mind-blowing to see like a half dozen discs of pristine Beatles studio outtakes to see release after all these years, but the BBs have full-on songs and alternate versions and demos and stuff that's BETTER than some of the stuff put on the albums, and it's *still* in the vault.

Didn't think it was possible, but Howie's got me even MORE psyched for the '68 stuff.

And we haven't even dipped a toe in the 70s and 80s outside of scattered tracks on MIC and a few other comps.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on November 30, 2018, 10:03:14 AM
I'm just reiterating what others including Howie have said in the past, which is: Is there any other band from the 60s (or any other time for that matter) with *this* much material still in the archives that's so different, new, and of high quality?

Even the *mind-blowing* Beatles sets from '67 and '68 feature stuff that's been booted (albeit now in much better quality), and then alternate takes/mixes of the songs we all know. Again, mind-blowing to see like a half dozen discs of pristine Beatles studio outtakes to see release after all these years, but the BBs have full-on songs and alternate versions and demos and stuff that's BETTER than some of the stuff put on the albums, and it's *still* in the vault.

Didn't think it was possible, but Howie's got me even MORE psyched for the '68 stuff.

And we haven't even dipped a toe in the 70s and 80s outside of scattered tracks on MIC and a few other comps.

It really is crazy. I think it speaks to not only the insane amount of underrated talent in this band, but also the unbelievable mismanagement, where there was nobody to step up and say "this stuff is worth releasing" or "this stuff is clearly better than the stuff you're planning to put on an album". Sort of continually proves Jack Rieley's statement right. Possibly the most accurate, on-the-ball statement that has ever been said about this band from someone on the inside, which simply tells it like it is.

So very grateful that this is all getting released now.

Many, many (Police Academy's Commandant Lassard voice) thanks to Mark and Alan for their hard work. I'm preparing to be floored.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Howie Edelson on November 30, 2018, 11:59:16 AM
Although Townshend and McCartney have some incredible works that still remain long unreleased, you really couldn't say they trump the contemporary released product. The sheer QUALITY of BB's material, and we're talking songs from demo to master -- all the layers -- to my knowledge (and I've done deep dives through more than a few band vaults) is unprecedented. No other band has what they have. You look at major AOR artists -- Elton, The Band, The Eagles -- there's NOTHING there. In some cases they were stretching just to get enough material to fill an LP. TONS of filler.

Personally, if I owned these masters, I would do a 15-25 disc DUMP of all of this unreleased (1968-1978) material. Redefine the market like the BOOTLEG SERIES did in '91. There wouldn't be a single music rag, blog, or website that wouldn't automatically give it ANTHOLOGY-like press. You wouldn't have to read about BB's music in expensive fan publications. Real press would EAT IT UP. Film and TV placements would follow, moving the narrative past the tents, bedroom years, and shitt ily written Christmas tour articles. With so little effort, EVERYTHING could change.

EVERYTHING.
And all because of outtakes.

PR TAGLINE: "WHAT IF THERE WAS ANOTHER BEATLES? Guess what -- There WAS."


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on November 30, 2018, 12:37:19 PM
Although Townshend and McCartney have some incredible works that still remain long unreleased, you really couldn't say they trump the contemporary released product. The sheer QUALITY of BB's material, and we're talking songs from demo to master -- all the layers -- to my knowledge (and I've done deep dives through more than a few band vaults) is unprecedented. No other band has what they have. You look at major AOR artists -- Elton, The Band, The Eagles -- there's NOTHING there. In some cases they were stretching just to get enough material to fill an LP. TONS of filler.

Personally, if I owned these masters, I would do a 15-25 disc DUMP of all of this unreleased (1968-1978) material. Redefine the market like the BOOTLEG SERIES did in '91. There wouldn't be a single music rag, blog, or website that wouldn't automatically give it ANTHOLOGY-like press. You wouldn't have to read about BB's music in expensive fan publications. Real press would EAT IT UP. Film and TV placements would follow, moving the narrative past the tents, bedroom years, and shitt ily written Christmas tour articles. With so little effort, EVERYTHING could change.

EVERYTHING.
And all because of outtakes.

PR TAGLINE: "WHAT IF THERE WAS ANOTHER BEATLES? Guess what -- There WAS."

I was thinking as I was writing that McCartney might be a partial exception, because there is, beyond the reams of boots, a whole other layer of McCartney stuff that we don't even *know* about. He has squeaked out a few such items on his "Archive Collection" sets. While those sets seem to have been mainly programmed to collate stuff that has been booted and release in pristine quality, he has also dabbled in stuff even the scholars seemingly didn't *know* about. Like just all of a sudden producing nearly an entire studio album's worth of *studio* version of his Elvis Costello collaborations (along with pristine versions of the legendary demos). He does have more stuff like that.

The quality of some of that stuff would rival 70s and 80s BB stuff, but the difference is indeed that even the really good McCartney outtakes usually aren't miles *ahead* of what he put out officially, especially the best stuff. Conversely, the BBs released "When Girls Get Together" but left "Can't Wait Too Long" and "Carry Me Home" on the cutting room floor.

I don't know if the usual media outlets are going to think a thousand times better of McCartney's "Tug of War" if he puts more heretofore-unknown outtakes out from those sessions. But the BB archival stuff is truly *narrative-changing* as Howie has said.

And, after the 25+ discs of BB studio material, another untapped resource is tons of great live stuff. Why perhaps the most well-traveled touring band of the last 50 years doesn't have a 10-disc box of the best stuff is inexplicable. That little live taste at the end of "Made in California?" There's like easily a dozen discs of that. They could even cull interesting stuff from the 90s when the band was often on autopilot.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Needleinthehay on November 30, 2018, 01:58:26 PM
Agreed....The fact that some of the terrible stuff like "Girls Get Together" or most of M.I.U's lightweight crap was put out but stuff like "My Love Lives On" and "Oh Lord" and "4th Of July" never were put on albums or not until 30+ years on MIC which only hardcore fans would ever hear is sad and agree it makes the Jack Riely quote seem very accurate.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mtaber on November 30, 2018, 03:06:31 PM
Hey -I actually like "When Girls Get Together"...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mtaber on November 30, 2018, 03:17:11 PM
Seriously, I think  a partial explanation for the fact that some of the "weak" material got released while some of the "strong" stuff was left behind is that the guys all loved recording but hated the fight that would take place when it came time to pick which songs would make it onto albums.  I recall Mike saying, many years ago, when asked how the band decided which member's songs would get released, "whoever screams the loudest!"  Thus, "Sumahama" was on our turntables, like it or not...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Wrightfan on November 30, 2018, 04:47:39 PM
It's been talked on Discord that several new session dates in 1968 were added to Bellagio(http://www.bellagio10452.com/gigs68.html (http://www.bellagio10452.com/gigs68.html)). To quote SaltyMarshmallow over there:

Away
I’m Confessin
You’re as Cool as Can Be track 1
You’re as Cool as Can Be track 2
Rock & Roll Woman track
Time to Get Alone demo
All I Wanna Do (May 24 session)
Well You Know I Knew (June 3)
Can’t Wait Too Long (sessions on July 24, 25, 26 & 30)
Mona Kana demo (July 25)
Dennis demos: Love Affair/Be With Me/Peaches (Aug 29)
I Can Hear Music demo
All I Want to Do (extra sessions)
Is It True What They Say About Dixie (Audree Wilson lead vocal)

Now I'm SO hyped!

Also note that the early title of Busy' is now Even Time instead of Even Steven.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on November 30, 2018, 05:54:09 PM
Seriously, I think  a partial explanation for the fact that some of the "weak" material got released while some of the "strong" stuff was left behind is that the guys all loved recording but hated the fight that would take place when it came time to pick which songs would make it onto albums.  I recall Mike saying, many years ago, when asked how the band decided which member's songs would get released, "whoever screams the loudest!"  Thus, "Sumahama" was on our turntables, like it or not...

The epitome of dysfunction, so sad. As much as I adore much of the music that this band did together with each other, it only underscores how important it was that Denny went solo. Man, the egos (mainly one in particular) in this crazy band...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on November 30, 2018, 09:22:11 PM
Although Townshend and McCartney have some incredible works that still remain long unreleased, you really couldn't say they trump the contemporary released product. The sheer QUALITY of BB's material, and we're talking songs from demo to master -- all the layers -- to my knowledge (and I've done deep dives through more than a few band vaults) is unprecedented. No other band has what they have. You look at major AOR artists -- Elton, The Band, The Eagles -- there's NOTHING there. In some cases they were stretching just to get enough material to fill an LP. TONS of filler.

Personally, if I owned these masters, I would do a 15-25 disc DUMP of all of this unreleased (1968-1978) material. Redefine the market like the BOOTLEG SERIES did in '91. There wouldn't be a single music rag, blog, or website that wouldn't automatically give it ANTHOLOGY-like press. You wouldn't have to read about BB's music in expensive fan publications. Real press would EAT IT UP. Film and TV placements would follow, moving the narrative past the tents, bedroom years, and shitt ily written Christmas tour articles. With so little effort, EVERYTHING could change.

EVERYTHING.
And all because of outtakes.

PR TAGLINE: "WHAT IF THERE WAS ANOTHER BEATLES? Guess what -- There WAS."
I've said this before in private to somebody, but I'll say it now, publicly: I wish you, Howie Edelson, were the manager of The Beach Boys, and included among a "team" in charge of the archival material, along with Mark Linett and Alan Boyd.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 30, 2018, 10:45:23 PM
Howie if you can talk about it, what would you say is the biggest revelation out of what you’ve heard that we haven’t?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on November 30, 2018, 11:15:55 PM
I'm just wondering if there is something(from any period, really) still in the vaults that is as breathtaking and monumentally stunning as WIBNTLA, or the MIU outtake "Why?".


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Rebel on November 30, 2018, 11:24:05 PM
I check this topic everyday .. god I can’t wait.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Zesterz on December 01, 2018, 02:20:44 AM
Rebel---I do, too......


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Willy Wilson on December 01, 2018, 04:49:08 AM
Ditto. The anticipation is driving me bananas...  :banana


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 01, 2018, 10:11:31 AM
Do we know if there is going to be a physical CD release, or just digital?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: John Brode on December 01, 2018, 10:55:17 AM
Do we know if there is going to be a physical CD release, or just digital?
Just digital, as of now. These end of the year sets usually are.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: terrei on December 01, 2018, 05:51:17 PM
PR TAGLINE: "WHAT IF THERE WAS ANOTHER BEATLES? Guess what -- There WAS."
I've said this before in private to somebody, but I'll say it now, publicly: I wish you, Howie Edelson, were the manager of The Beach Boys, and included among a "team" in charge of the archival material, along with Mark Linett and Alan Boyd.

"The Beach Boys Are The Beatles". Um.... no.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: WWDWD? on December 01, 2018, 07:24:05 PM
It's been talked on Discord that several new session dates in 1968 were added to Bellagio(http://www.bellagio10452.com/gigs68.html (http://www.bellagio10452.com/gigs68.html)). To quote SaltyMarshmallow over there:

Away
I’m Confessin
You’re as Cool as Can Be track 1
You’re as Cool as Can Be track 2
Rock & Roll Woman track
Time to Get Alone demo
All I Wanna Do (May 24 session)
Well You Know I Knew (June 3)
Can’t Wait Too Long (sessions on July 24, 25, 26 & 30)
Mona Kana demo (July 25)
Dennis demos: Love Affair/Be With Me/Peaches (Aug 29)
I Can Hear Music demo
All I Want to Do (extra sessions)
Is It True What They Say About Dixie (Audree Wilson lead vocal)

Now I'm SO hyped!

Damn! Rock & Roll Woman. I loved the performance on the An American Band doco. Doesn't look like the BB recorded a vocal for it in the studio though.
And more Dennis?! bring it on.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Howie Edelson on December 01, 2018, 09:00:30 PM
Billy -- As it stands THIS week, the "I'm Confessin'"/"You're As Cool As Can Be" segments along with DW's "Well You Know I Knew" and "'Gong' session" are the ones that are killing me. But it's all major and along with the MASSIVE live component also coming, nobody will be pissed off about and/or second guessing the copyright drop this Xmas.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Wata on December 02, 2018, 12:28:44 AM
(IIRC) a previously undocumented Dennis Wilson track? That sounds so exciting!  8)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ohthosegirls on December 02, 2018, 05:43:23 PM
Any chance of the '70s Friends remakes making this release? That would be awesome but the new potential track info is already incredible!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 02, 2018, 07:27:50 PM
Billy -- As it stands THIS week, the "I'm Confessin'"/"You're As Cool As Can Be" segments along with DW's "Well You Know I Knew" and "'Gong' session" are the ones that are killing me. But it's all major and along with the MASSIVE live component also coming, nobody will be pissed off about and/or second guessing the copyright drop this Xmas.

Awesome! Thank you for the info...as always, we’re blessed to have you as a true steward of the bands legacy.

This is a great time to be fan. We’re finally getting materials we’ve only dreamed of. Man I hope my health holds up cause I really want to  be around to hear unreleased Brian stuff from 1972-1975


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: JaiGuruDev on December 03, 2018, 08:24:31 AM
This is a long shot, but i hope we get a new remaster of the Live in London concert, a lot of the instruments feel buried in some songs.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: RONDEMON on December 03, 2018, 08:46:46 AM
Any chance of the '70s Friends remakes making this release? That would be awesome but the new potential track info is already incredible!

I've never heard about this. What's it about?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: JaiGuruDev on December 03, 2018, 09:06:25 AM
Any chance of the '70s Friends remakes making this release? That would be awesome but the new potential track info is already incredible!

I've never heard about this. What's it about?

Brian tried remaking some of the songs on Friends in the early 70s with Stanley Shapiro and Tandyn Almer but the whole idea was never completed. I think they only got as far as making demos.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ohthosegirls on December 03, 2018, 09:07:57 AM
Any chance of the '70s Friends remakes making this release? That would be awesome but the new potential track info is already incredible!

I've never heard about this. What's it about?

"By the early 1970s, Wilson's reputation suffered as a result of his eccentricities of lore, and he quickly became known as a commercial has-been which record labels feared.[31] When friend Stanley Shapiro persuaded Wilson to rewrite and rerecord a number of Beach Boys songs in order to reclaim his legacy, he contacted fellow songwriter Tandyn Almer for support. The trio then spent a month reworking cuts from the Beach Boys' Friends album.[32] As Shapiro handed demo tapes to A&M Records executives, they found the product favorable before they learned of Wilson and Almer's involvement, and proceeded to veto the idea"

From http://www.wikiwand.com/en/The_Beach_Boys_bootleg_recordings#/citenoteFOOTNOTEBadman200426634

Not sure if we'll get it since it's not from '68 but it would be pretty cool to hear these if they still exist.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 03, 2018, 09:09:15 AM
Hey -I actually like "When Girls Get Together"...

It has grown on me to some degree over the years, and I think in the context of the "Sunflower" era it feels a bit more "right" to me than plopped on an already-problematic KTSA album in 1980. A lot of the KTSA album plods and sounds rather limp. "When Girls..." doesn't help *that* aspect of the album.

Some members of the band clearly had some affinity for the song, as they had previously done a mix of the song in the "15 Big Ones" era as well apparently.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 03, 2018, 09:12:45 AM
Billy -- As it stands THIS week, the "I'm Confessin'"/"You're As Cool As Can Be" segments along with DW's "Well You Know I Knew" and "'Gong' session" are the ones that are killing me. But it's all major and along with the MASSIVE live component also coming, nobody will be pissed off about and/or second guessing the copyright drop this Xmas.

Awesome! Thank you for the info...as always, we’re blessed to have you as a true steward of the bands legacy.

This is a great time to be fan. We’re finally getting materials we’ve only dreamed of. Man I hope my health holds up cause I really want to  be around to hear unreleased Brian stuff from 1972-1975

Let's also hope that some sort of ramped-up online archival program might still be possible so that we wouldn't have to wait until 2025 to hear 1975 material.

While not obviously anywhere near all A-list material, there is a ton of later 70s and 80s unreleased stuff that can even change *that* part of the narrative. I don't know if they should wait another decade to release "LA (Light Album)" era outtakes, etc. BB fans are not exactly getting younger.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: JaiGuruDev on December 03, 2018, 09:17:43 AM
Billy -- As it stands THIS week, the "I'm Confessin'"/"You're As Cool As Can Be" segments along with DW's "Well You Know I Knew" and "'Gong' session" are the ones that are killing me. But it's all major and along with the MASSIVE live component also coming, nobody will be pissed off about and/or second guessing the copyright drop this Xmas.

Awesome! Thank you for the info...as always, we’re blessed to have you as a true steward of the bands legacy.

This is a great time to be fan. We’re finally getting materials we’ve only dreamed of. Man I hope my health holds up cause I really want to  be around to hear unreleased Brian stuff from 1972-1975

Let's also hope that some sort of ramped-up online archival program might still be possible so that we wouldn't have to wait until 2025 to hear 1975 material.

While not obviously anywhere near all A-list material, there is a ton of later 70s and 80s unreleased stuff that can even change *that* part of the narrative. I don't know if they should wait another decade to release "LA (Light Album)" era outtakes, etc. BB fans are not exactly getting younger.


I wonder how long we will have to wait until the complete Andy Paley sessions  :lol


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 03, 2018, 10:43:53 AM
Hey -I actually like "When Girls Get Together"...

It has grown on me to some degree over the years, and I think in the context of the "Sunflower" era it feels a bit more "right" to me than plopped on an already-problematic KTSA album in 1980. A lot of the KTSA album plods and sounds rather limp. "When Girls..." doesn't help *that* aspect of the album.

Some members of the band clearly had some affinity for the song, as they had previously done a mix of the song in the "15 Big Ones" era as well apparently.

I have always wondered what the deal was with "When Girls Get Together"... such an odd track.

Was the band in 1970 consciously trying to attempt some kind of pro-feminist (girls rule! even in ways that have nothing to do with looks!) type of song as a response to the leering "California Girls" image they'd gotten stereotyped with so profoundly?

Also, the instrumental break at 1:04 to 1:08 always sounded like some sort of NBC network promo card/logo music that accidentally wandered its way into a Beach Boys track.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on December 03, 2018, 10:45:59 AM
Any chance of the '70s Friends remakes making this release? That would be awesome but the new potential track info is already incredible!
Nope. Tapes were stolen a while back from what I've heard.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Howie Edelson on December 03, 2018, 10:48:48 AM
Not all. . .


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 03, 2018, 10:54:08 AM
Not all. . .

 :rock


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Aomdiddlywalla on December 03, 2018, 11:59:40 AM
Not all. . .
Who would want to steal?....


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mtaber on December 03, 2018, 02:46:07 PM
"When Girls Get Together" is at its best when its just "doo doo doo doo doo doo".  Otherwise the phrasing is awkward.  This is one of those songs that gets stuck in my head for no apparent reason. 

Thanks to everyone involved in getting these archival releases out into the open, I join the excited masses on here!!!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr Fulton on December 03, 2018, 03:28:49 PM
release date December 7th?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on December 03, 2018, 03:36:09 PM
"When Girls..." is dull. It didn't work in KTSA & especially would be despised in Sunflower. Same level as "Tears".


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 03, 2018, 09:39:37 PM
It works better as an instrumental.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 03, 2018, 09:57:01 PM
Very true. Otherwise I'm with RR...dull song all around


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 03, 2018, 10:06:29 PM
Very true. Otherwise I'm with RR...dull song all around
The instrumental is actually quite good. As it is on KTSA, it's one of the few Beach Boys songs I truly hate.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on December 04, 2018, 06:25:05 PM
The backing track to "When Girls" is dull. It didn't reveal anything cool sans singing.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mtaber on December 04, 2018, 07:10:06 PM
I feel like Custer at The Little Big Horn....


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ForHerCryingSoul on December 04, 2018, 07:15:28 PM
I think Tears is a good song conceptually, and I like the sappy backing track, but I don't like the lyrics or the melody. I actually like WGGT, but I don't like how it was handled on KTSA. The track presented on the Landlocked bootleg sounds better. I do think the production is a little sparse though.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: WWDWD? on December 05, 2018, 05:04:14 AM
Alan Boyd has been popping into the Discord with tiny, tiny bits of info.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 05, 2018, 05:10:42 AM
Well damn, things just got 10 times better!  ;D I figured we'd get a tracklisting that would be fairly evenly split, but each album is being given its own set? Are these one or two CD sets? Or a two disc set, with one disc for each album?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: thetojo on December 06, 2018, 01:01:01 AM
I'm getting so excited -
 - can't wait to hear the Maharishi's opening lecture remastered to stereo - hopefully there are subtle differences between each concert!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 06, 2018, 01:53:38 AM
Wow

I think that about sums it up!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: jawilsh on December 06, 2018, 03:07:09 AM
Alan Boyd has been popping into the Discord with tiny, tiny bits of info.

What is Discord?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr Fulton on December 06, 2018, 03:17:02 AM
Just a quick FYI the release date is the 7th Of December 2018 and features two releases. Wake The World 1968 - The Friends Sessions with 32 tracks and I Can Hear Music - 1968 - The 20/20 Sessions with 40 tracks Also contains a version of Passing By with lyrics


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: WWDWD? on December 06, 2018, 03:31:25 AM
Just a quick FYI the release date is the 7th Of December 2018 and features two releases. Wake The World 1968 - The Friends Sessions with 32 tracks and I Can Hear Music - 1968 - The 20/20 Sessions with 40 tracks Also contains a version of Passing By with lyrics

whaaaaaaaaa


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Gertie J. on December 06, 2018, 03:41:22 AM
Alan Boyd has been popping into the Discord with tiny, tiny bits of info.

What is Discord?

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,25934.0.html


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Wata on December 06, 2018, 04:00:29 AM
SPOILER ALERT!!

Both albums Mr. Fulton named are now on Spotify:

The Friends set: https://open.spotify.com/album/15Cy3saQTJbpFjKjaKW3HF?si=2C6j7S1wS0-2VT8YOv_WqQ

The 20/20 set: https://open.spotify.com/album/5kU8vfvTw9uagny4iDOG5v?si=9LzIVO58S-uYj97E9jt5Uw


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: STE on December 06, 2018, 04:32:15 AM
 Holy cow!

So many new titles!



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr. Tiger on December 06, 2018, 04:33:58 AM
Will there be a high res release???


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Matt H on December 06, 2018, 04:36:37 AM
Is there a live set too?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Wata on December 06, 2018, 04:38:05 AM
There is no information out there on Live set. Alan Boyd said there will be, so it's certain it will be released this month, but I'm not sure if it's tomorrow...

I'll report it if it's available over here two hour later.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: RiC on December 06, 2018, 04:51:53 AM
SPOILER ALERT!!

Both albums Mr. Fulton named are now on Spotify:

The Friends set: https://open.spotify.com/album/15Cy3saQTJbpFjKjaKW3HF?si=2C6j7S1wS0-2VT8YOv_WqQ

The 20/20 set: https://open.spotify.com/album/5kU8vfvTw9uagny4iDOG5v?si=9LzIVO58S-uYj97E9jt5Uw
These don't work for me... So I think it's for US only as of now? I surely hope there would be a physical release. I hate the digital release only. Especially with material like this.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Wata on December 06, 2018, 04:53:27 AM
SPOILER ALERT!!

Both albums Mr. Fulton named are now on Spotify:

The Friends set: https://open.spotify.com/album/15Cy3saQTJbpFjKjaKW3HF?si=2C6j7S1wS0-2VT8YOv_WqQ

The 20/20 set: https://open.spotify.com/album/5kU8vfvTw9uagny4iDOG5v?si=9LzIVO58S-uYj97E9jt5Uw
These don't work for me... So I think it's for US only as of now? I surely hope there would be a physical release. I hate the digital release only. Especially with material like this.
It's only out in New Zealand as of now, according to those who has already listened to it. 

It should be available when it's Dec 7 0:00 AM in your region.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: RiC on December 06, 2018, 04:56:01 AM
SPOILER ALERT!!

Both albums Mr. Fulton named are now on Spotify:

The Friends set: https://open.spotify.com/album/15Cy3saQTJbpFjKjaKW3HF?si=2C6j7S1wS0-2VT8YOv_WqQ

The 20/20 set: https://open.spotify.com/album/5kU8vfvTw9uagny4iDOG5v?si=9LzIVO58S-uYj97E9jt5Uw
These don't work for me... So I think it's for US only as of now? I surely hope there would be a physical release. I hate the digital release only. Especially with material like this.
It's only out in New Zealand as of now, according to those who has already listened to it. 

It should be available when it's Dec 7 0:00 AM in your region.
Thanks! Can't wait to hear it :) Really hyped up about this.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: STE on December 06, 2018, 04:57:00 AM

Yeah I can see the sets by following those links but they can't be played... [Europe]


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Vale on December 06, 2018, 05:17:04 AM

Yeah I can see the sets by following those links but they can't be played... [Europe]


You have to change your country to NZ in the account settings


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ReggieDunbar on December 06, 2018, 05:33:49 AM

Yeah I can see the sets by following those links but they can't be played... [Europe]


You have to change your country to NZ in the account settings

You can only change to country that matches your current IP, and if you have a free account.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 06, 2018, 05:47:12 AM
How do you do it? I'm relatively new to spotify.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: branaa09 on December 06, 2018, 06:22:48 AM
A Special thanks to Alan and Mark for including the Child Is The Father of The Man 1966 Vintage Mix!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 06, 2018, 06:33:33 AM
"Wake The World: The Friends Sessions"

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47572376_2176342485969103_336998510027079680_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=b3f278cc586c8862c482d7bb553d7bac&oe=5C970787)

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47396387_2176357215967630_531407576160534528_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=f031dea79bb4856b61aee7d086dbefa6&oe=5C684337)

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47316059_2176357252634293_4643483134493458432_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=ea81deac9d9be5345c9e3ba0bf09ae2c&oe=5CA9F7E1)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 06, 2018, 06:34:43 AM
"I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions"

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47683561_2176342955969056_6524131824581476352_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=d1252268bf7cc6e0c1d0e35e2061d422&oe=5C63993B)

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47509847_2176357509300934_7769058507990499328_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=bc28c4f7ba794f49f640089aaa18e2b8&oe=5C6A81EB)

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47477632_2176357552634263_8925752608790937600_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=2c751a1bf2aab642001610e6f400585b&oe=5C6523DB)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: RONDEMON on December 06, 2018, 06:52:55 AM
Here's what I did to listen to this right now.

Use the HOLA VPN extension for Chrome. Change country to Austrailia.
Sign up for a free Spotify account in the new "Austrailian" window.
Set your country to Australia in your Spotify account settings.
Look up the album in the Spotify web browser player.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 06, 2018, 06:55:41 AM
Can't wait to get a chance to hear this stuff....


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Wata on December 06, 2018, 07:11:16 AM
It's Dec 7 here and I finally got to listen to the two sets, but Live set is not out yet...This means there is more to come  8)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr. Tiger on December 06, 2018, 07:14:27 AM
The image of Brian in the corner of the 20/20 really captures the vibe. This is when they really lose him. He's drifted away.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Rebel on December 06, 2018, 07:27:37 AM
 I signed up for Spotify in hopes to listen to this early… And you can’t change your location until your billing cycle is over… Mine is over in three months since I just signed up . Oh well. Only out 3 dollars

Tried to to the hola vpn like the other dude said and couldn’t find all the settings to get it working and gave up. iTunes or amazon done even have this up either :/ I just want to listen!!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Matt H on December 06, 2018, 07:29:04 AM
I signed up for Spotify in hopes to listen to this early… And you can’t change your location until your billing cycle is over… Mine is over in three months since I just signed up . Oh well. Only out 3 dollars

Tried to to the hola vpn like the other dude said and couldn’t find all the settings to get it working and gave up. iTunes or amazon done even have this up either :/ I just want to listen!!

In the past these types of releases have shown up at midnight on the day of release at iTunes.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: B.E. on December 06, 2018, 07:30:35 AM
As I wait for it to be December 7th here, I'm wondering why not issue a press release ahead of time. Even just a few days or week prior? It's streaming in parts of the world right now, yet not announced? Nothing on beachboys.com yet. I see they did the same thing last year, announcing Sunshine Tomorrow 2 and Live Sunshine the day of release (December 8th). Whatever... can't wait to hear these releases!!!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jim V. on December 06, 2018, 08:17:07 AM
So the most exciting things (for me) just by looking at the titles are as following...

"Passing By - Demo": is this the 1972 recording with lyrics? If so, then I am super pumped for this one.

"Child Is Father Of The Man - Original 1966 Track Mix": been waiting on this one for a while. Don't know why it didn't get put on The SMiLE Sessions or a 1966 copyright set but whatever. I'm cool. Odd that they didn't position it with "Little Bird" on the track listing though to highlight the similarities.

"I'm Confessin'/You're As Cool As Can Be 1": I'm intrigued to see what this is. It's a Brian thing right?

Also, "Our New Home", "Rock And Roll Woman" (just judging by the live video clips that I watched years ago), "Walk On By - 2018 Mix" (probably something like the alternate, extended "Lonely Days", right?) and "Been Way Too Long - Sections" have really got me intrigued.

Super excited for tomorrow!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: king of anglia on December 06, 2018, 08:22:45 AM
All I Want To Do with Dennis lead vocal! Batters Mike Love's vocal into a bloody pulp.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 06, 2018, 08:30:50 AM
Holy sh*t I’m hyped


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: king of anglia on December 06, 2018, 09:02:13 AM
Oh man. Been Way Too Long sessions. Amazing. Think these are new unheard vocals.

Can't believe they never released this stuff. The Dennis songs are amazing. Full Manson phase.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: king of anglia on December 06, 2018, 09:40:15 AM
Some of this new stuff is now my favourite Beach Boys stuff. Amazing.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: TV Forces on December 06, 2018, 09:46:19 AM
 :happydance :spin :banana :ahh


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: STE on December 06, 2018, 10:28:16 AM


Are there finished songs among the new titles?  Or mostly instrumental tracks?



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: twentytwenty on December 06, 2018, 10:29:43 AM
Waiting patiently over here, 4 and a half hours to go


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ForHerCryingSoul on December 06, 2018, 10:34:16 AM
Waiting ever so impatiently... What a shock! Hope it comes out at midnight, the same time as Smash Bros...  :bw


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: 37!ws (hint: turn it upside-down) on December 06, 2018, 10:53:59 AM
"I'm Confessin'/You're As Cool As Can Be 1": I'm intrigued to see what this is. It's a Brian thing right?

Having not heard it yet, I'm guessing "I'm Confessin'" is an old song. Frank Ifield recorded a version of it in the early '60s.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: king of anglia on December 06, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
Most of the the new stuff is incomplete but not all. Maybe one or two complete new Dennis songs. Walkin is pretty cool now with horns and harmonica. Passing By with lyrics. New take of TTGA sounds very cool and late 60s. So much stuff.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ohthosegirls on December 06, 2018, 11:00:51 AM
Audree Wilson sounds wonderful and youthful on Dixie. Reminds me of Molly Drake (Nick's mom).


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: king of anglia on December 06, 2018, 11:17:15 AM
New Smile music at the end of CIFOTM. Sounds like full string section version of I'm Great Shape.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 06, 2018, 11:30:16 AM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr. Tiger on December 06, 2018, 11:30:29 AM
New Smile music at the end of CIFOTM. Sounds like full string section version of I'm Great Shape.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bw  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: STE on December 06, 2018, 12:58:44 PM


Now that the prediction phase is over, should we create separate threads to discuss the sets?



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 06, 2018, 01:26:05 PM
I would think keeping everything in this thread would work best, perhaps with a revising of the thread title.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on December 06, 2018, 01:36:22 PM
I would think keeping everything in this thread would work best, perhaps with a revising of the thread title.
Agree. Btw, "spoiler alert"/ "spoiler" disclaimer NEVER works, people still will look, they're curious. & I find "spoiler" really useless trendy term since what's there to spoil, it's not like we hear songs automatically when we see song titles. Ditto with movies etc.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: “Big Daddy” on December 06, 2018, 01:56:17 PM
Interesting design choice for the 20/20 cover… they moved the bottom half of the photo over to fit Al and Dennis in the frame, but that makes Mike and Carl’s arms look weird.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: STE on December 06, 2018, 03:11:12 PM


Favorites so far:  "Passing By", "Be Here in the Morning Darling", "Walkin'" and every "All I Want to Do"




Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mooger Fooger on December 06, 2018, 03:38:15 PM
OMG! All I Want To Do with Dennis vocal take 2. The fade out/end. Let's just say the legend is true, and Dennis is the man!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 06, 2018, 03:50:51 PM
Meh I’m gonna have to wait a couple of weeks cause I’m moving this weekend 🥺 Anyone have a time machine?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: thetojo on December 06, 2018, 04:28:50 PM
See discogs entries

https://www.discogs.com/The-Beach-Boys-1968-Wake-The-World-The-Friends-Sessions/release/12900815

https://www.discogs.com/The-Beach-Boys-1968-I-Can-Hear-Music-The-2020-Sessions/release/12900687





Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: thetojo on December 06, 2018, 04:29:54 PM

Friends a cappella is a different mix to the RSD release of a few years back - no instruments towards the end!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 06, 2018, 04:38:06 PM
The one I’m most hyped about is the one with original lyrics for Passing By!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Shady on December 06, 2018, 05:08:03 PM
I'm going to cry


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 06, 2018, 05:08:51 PM
So yeah... this is UNFRIGGINBELIEVABLE. I am flabergasted. We are lucky as f*ck.

I could not resist listening to some snippets:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07L46CPQN/ref=dm_ws_tlw_trk19

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07L481G96/ref=dm_ws_tlw_trk27


WOW WOW WOW. And did I mention WOW?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Shady on December 06, 2018, 05:12:23 PM
Wake the world alt version has killed me

Better than the original


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: TV Forces on December 06, 2018, 06:07:08 PM
Is this CIFOTM the acetate we've been longing for?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on December 06, 2018, 06:07:41 PM
THE BEACH BOYS 1968 - WAKE THE WORLD: THE FRIENDS SESSIONS

Meant For You (alternate version with session intro) (2:17) 
(B. Wilson-M. Love) 
Lead vocal: Mike & Brian 

Recorded April 1, 1968

Friends (backing track) (2:38) 
(B. Wilson-C. Wilson-D.Wilson-Jardine)

Recorded March 13, 1968

Friends (a Cappella) (2:20) 
(B. Wilson-C. Wilson-D.Wilson-Jardine) 
Lead vocal: Carl (with Brian)

Recorded March, 1968

Wake The World (alternate version) (2:12)
(B. Wilson-Jardine) 
Lead vocal: Group

Recorded March 28 & 30, April 1, 1968

Be Here In The Morning (backing track) (2:20) 
(B. Wilson-C. Wilson-D. Wilson-Love-Jardine) 

Recorded March 29, 1968

When A Man Needs A Woman (early take basic track) (0:50)
 (B. Wilson-D. Wilson-Jardine-Korthof-Parks)

Recorded March 18, 1968

When A Man Needs A Woman (alternate version) (2:08)
 (B. Wilson-D. Wilson-Jardine-Korthof-Parks) 
Lead vocal: Brian

Basic track recorded March 18, 1968; vocals recorded March, 1968

Passing By (alternate version) (1:44)
(B. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Brian

Recorded March 22, 1968

Anna Lee The Healer (session excerpt) (1:22)
 (B. Wilson-Love)

Recorded April 2, 1968

Anna Lee The Healer (a Cappella) (1:54)
 (B. Wilson-Love) 
Lead Vocal: Group

Recorded April 2, 1968

Little Bird (backing track) (2:00) 
(D.Wilson-Kalinich)

Recorded February 29, 1968

Little Bird (a Cappella) (2:04)
 (D.Wilson-Kalinich) 
Lead vocal: Dennis & Carl

Vocals recorded February 29 - March, 1968


Be Still (alternate take with session excerpt) (2:09)
 (D.Wilson-Kalinich) Lead vocal: Dennis

Recorded April 3,1968

Even Steven (early version of “Busy Doin’ Nothin’) (2:52) 
(B. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Brian

Recorded March 26, 1968

Diamond Head (alternate version with session excerpt) (4:33) 
(Vescovo-Ritz-Ackley-B. Wilson)

Recorded April 12, 1968

New Song (Transcendental Meditation) (backing track with partial vocals) (1:51)
 (B. Wilson)

Recorded March, 1968

Transcendental Meditation (backing track with session excerpt) (2:22)
 (B. Wilson-Love-Jardine)

Recorded April 4, 1968

Transcendental Meditation (a Cappella) (1:52) 
(B. Wilson-Love-Jardine)
 All vocals: Brian

Recorded April 4, 1968

My Little Red Book (2:45) 
(Bacharach-David) 
Lead vocal: Brian

Recorded April, 1968

Away (track) (0:57) 
(D. Wilson-Hinsche)

Recorded circa January 1968

I’m Confessin’ (demo) (2:17) 
(B. Wilson)

Recorded February or March, 1968

I’m Confessin’ / You’re As Cool As Can Be 1 (track) (1:38) 
(B. Wilson)

Recorded February or March, 1968

You’re As Cool As Can Be 2 (track) (1:14)
 (B. Wilson)

Recorded February or March, 1968

Be Here In The Morning Darling (track) (3:29) 
(B. Wilson)

Recorded March 6, 1968

Our New Home (track) (2:02) 
(B. Wilson) 

Recorded March 20, 1968

New Song (track) (1:26) 
(B. Wilson) 

Recorded March, 1968

Be Still (alternate track) (1:03)
 (D. Wilson-Kalinich)

Recorded March, 1968

Rock and Roll Woman (track) (2:19) (Stills)
 Recorded March, 1968

Time To Get Alone (alternate version demo) (2:04) 
(B. Wilson)

Recorded March, 1968

Untitled 1/25/68 (track) (1:07) 
(D. Wilson)

Recorded January 25, 1968

Passing By (demo with new lyrics c1971) (2:34) 
(B. Wilson-Shapiro-Almer) 
Lead vocal: Brian (with Stan Shapiro & Tandyn Almer)

Demo recorded circa 1971

Child Is Father Of The Man (original 1966 track mix) (3:36)
 (B. Wilson)

Recorded, mixed & edited late 1966



THE BEACH BOYS 1968:
Brian Wilson, Carl Wilson, Dennis Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine & Bruce Johnston

Compilation and New Mixes Produced by Mark Linett & Alan Boyd
Edited, Mixed and Mastered by Mark Linett at Your Place Or Mine

Executive Producers: Matt D’Amico & Peter Fletcher
Art Direction: Susan Lavoie

Original Recordings Produced by The Beach Boys
Engineers: Stephen Desper & Jim Lockert

Brother Records, Inc: Jerry Schilling, President

Session Research: Craig Slowinski

Special Thanks: Howie Edelson; Elliot Kendall; Ross Schwartz; Mark Kaplan; Pacific Title Archives; Al Gomes, Connie Watrous & The Rhode Island BB Posse; Stanley Shapiro; Billy Hinsche; Stephen Kalinich; Brad Rosenberger; Lee Dempsey; Andrew G. Doe; Margaret Gwynne; Betty Collignon Wright; Lori Lightfoot; Steve Latshaw; Panayiotis Bogdanos; Les Chan; Monty & Bailey Linett, David Beard & Endless Summer Quarterly


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 06, 2018, 06:11:08 PM
THE BEACH BOYS 1968 - WAKE THE WORLD: THE FRIENDS SESSIONS

Meant For You (alternate version with session intro) (2:17) 
(B. Wilson-M. Love) 
Lead vocal: Mike & Brian 

Recorded April 1, 1968

Friends (backing track) (2:38) 
(B. Wilson-C. Wilson-D.Wilson-Jardine)

Recorded March 13, 1968

Friends (a Cappella) (2:20) 
(B. Wilson-C. Wilson-D.Wilson-Jardine) 
Lead vocal: Carl (with Brian)

Recorded March, 1968

Wake The World (alternate version) (2:12)
(B. Wilson-Jardine) 
Lead vocal: Group

Recorded March 28 & 30, April 1, 1968

Be Here In The Morning (backing track) (2:20) 
(B. Wilson-C. Wilson-D. Wilson-Love-Jardine) 

Recorded March 29, 1968

When A Man Needs A Woman (early take basic track) (0:50)
 (B. Wilson-D. Wilson-Jardine-Korthof-Parks)

Recorded March 18, 1968

When A Man Needs A Woman (alternate version) (2:08)
 (B. Wilson-D. Wilson-Jardine-Korthof-Parks) 
Lead vocal: Brian

Basic track recorded March 18, 1968; vocals recorded March, 1968

Passing By (alternate version) (1:44)
(B. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Brian

Recorded March 22, 1968

Anna Lee The Healer (session excerpt) (1:22)
 (B. Wilson-Love)

Recorded April 2, 1968

Anna Lee The Healer (a Cappella) (1:54)
 (B. Wilson-Love) 
Lead Vocal: Group

Recorded April 2, 1968

Little Bird (backing track) (2:00) 
(D.Wilson-Kalinich)

Recorded February 29, 1968

Little Bird (a Cappella) (2:04)
 (D.Wilson-Kalinich) 
Lead vocal: Dennis & Carl

Vocals recorded February 29 - March, 1968


Be Still (alternate take with session excerpt) (2:09)
 (D.Wilson-Kalinich) Lead vocal: Dennis

Recorded April 3,1968

Even Steven (early version of “Busy Doin’ Nothin’) (2:52) 
(B. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Brian

Recorded March 26, 1968

Diamond Head (alternate version with session excerpt) (4:33) 
(Vescovo-Ritz-Ackley-B. Wilson)

Recorded April 12, 1968

New Song (Transcendental Meditation) (backing track with partial vocals) (1:51)
 (B. Wilson)

Recorded March, 1968

Transcendental Meditation (backing track with session excerpt) (2:22)
 (B. Wilson-Love-Jardine)

Recorded April 4, 1968

Transcendental Meditation (a Cappella) (1:52) 
(B. Wilson-Love-Jardine)
 All vocals: Brian

Recorded April 4, 1968

My Little Red Book (2:45) 
(Bacharach-David) 
Lead vocal: Brian

Recorded April, 1968

Away (track) (0:57) 
(D. Wilson-Hinsche)

Recorded circa January 1968

I’m Confessin’ (demo) (2:17) 
(B. Wilson)

Recorded February or March, 1968

I’m Confessin’ / You’re As Cool As Can Be 1 (track) (1:38) 
(B. Wilson)

Recorded February or March, 1968

You’re As Cool As Can Be 2 (track) (1:14)
 (B. Wilson)

Recorded February or March, 1968

Be Here In The Morning Darling (track) (3:29) 
(B. Wilson)

Recorded March 6, 1968

Our New Home (track) (2:02) 
(B. Wilson) 

Recorded March 20, 1968

New Song (track) (1:26) 
(B. Wilson) 

Recorded March, 1968

Be Still (alternate track) (1:03)
 (D. Wilson-Kalinich)

Recorded March, 1968

Rock and Roll Woman (track) (2:19) (Stills)
 Recorded March, 1968

Time To Get Alone (alternate version demo) (2:04) 
(B. Wilson)

Recorded March, 1968

Untitled 1/25/68 (track) (1:07) 
(D. Wilson)

Recorded January 25, 1968

Passing By (demo with new lyrics c1971) (2:34) 
(B. Wilson-Shapiro-Almer) 
Lead vocal: Brian (with Stan Shapiro & Tandyn Almer)

Demo recorded circa 1971

Child Is Father Of The Man (original 1966 track mix) (3:36)
 (B. Wilson)

Recorded, mixed & edited late 1966



THE BEACH BOYS 1968:
Brian Wilson, Carl Wilson, Dennis Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine & Bruce Johnston

Compilation and New Mixes Produced by Mark Linett & Alan Boyd
Edited, Mixed and Mastered by Mark Linett at Your Place Or Mine

Executive Producers: Matt D’Amico & Peter Fletcher
Art Direction: Susan Lavoie

Original Recordings Produced by The Beach Boys
Engineers: Stephen Desper & Jim Lockert

Brother Records, Inc: Jerry Schilling, President

Session Research: Craig Slowinski

Special Thanks: Howie Edelson; Elliot Kendall; Ross Schwartz; Mark Kaplan; Pacific Title Archives; Al Gomes, Connie Watrous & The Rhode Island BB Posse; Stanley Shapiro; Billy Hinsche; Stephen Kalinich; Brad Rosenberger; Lee Dempsey; Andrew G. Doe; Margaret Gwynne; Betty Collignon Wright; Lori Lightfoot; Steve Latshaw; Panayiotis Bogdanos; Les Chan; Monty & Bailey Linett, David Beard & Endless Summer Quarterly

Thank you SO much for your tireless work, Alan. We are incredibly fortunate.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on December 06, 2018, 06:18:55 PM
THE BEACH BOYS 1968 - I CAN HEAR MUSIC - THE 20/20 SESSIONS

Do It Again (alternate stereo mix) (2:46)
 (Brian Wilson-Mike Love) 
Lead vocal: Mike (with Carl)

Recorded May 26, June 6 & 12, 1968

Do It Again (a Cappella) (2:30)
 (Brian Wilson-Mike Love) 
Lead Vocal: Mike (with Carl)

Recorded May 26, June 6 & 12, 1968

I Can Hear Music (demo) (1:00) 
(Barry-Greenwich-Spector) 
Lead vocal: Carl

Recorded circa September, 1968

I Can Hear Music (track and backing vocals) (2:42) 
(Barry-Greenwich-Spector) 
Lead vocal: Carl

Recorded October 1, 1968 (track), October, 1968 (vocals)

Bluebirds Over The Mountain (alternate mix) (2:56) 
(Hickey) 
Lead vocal: Mike

Recorded September 29, 1967, October 15, 16, 28 & 29, 1968

Be With Me (demo) (2:45)
 (D. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Dennis

Recorded August 29, 1968

Be With Me (2018 track mix) (3:17)
 (D. Wilson)

Recorded October 2 & 16, 1968     
               
All I Want To Do (Dennis Wilson lead vocal take 2) (2:13) 
(D. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Dennis

Recorded November 9, 14, 16, 20 & 21, 1968

The Nearest Faraway Place (alternate take) (2:13) 
(Johnston)

Recorded June 20, 1968

Cotton Fields (track and backing vocals) (2:25) 
(Ledbetter)


Recorded November 18 & 19, 1968 

I Went To Sleep (a Cappella 2018 mix) (1:35) 
(B. Wilson-C. Wilson)
 Lead vocal: Group

Recorded June 1968

Time To Get Alone (a Cappella) (3:36) 
(B. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Carl (with Brian and Al)

Recorded October 2 & 4, 1968

Never Learn Not To Love (track and backing vocals) (2:25) 
(D. Wilson)

Recorded September 11, 16, 17 & 18 1968

Never Learn Not To Love (a Cappella) (2:23)
 (D. Wilson)
Lead vocal: Dennis
Recorded September 17 & 18, 1968

Walk On By (2018 mix) (1:55) 
(Bacharach-David)
 Lead vocal: Brian

Recorded May 29, 1968

Rendezvous (Do It Again early version) (2018 mix) (2:36)
 (Brian Wilson-Mike Love) 
Lead vocal: Mike (with Brian)

Recorded May 26, 1968

We’re Together Again (a Cappella) (2:01) 
(B. Wilson-R. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Brian (with Dennis & Carl)

Recorded May 22 - 29, 1968

I Can Hear Music (alternate lead vocal) (2:11)
 (Barry-Greenwich-Spector) 
Lead vocal: Carl

Recorded October 1, 1968

All I Wanna Do (early version track) (2:24) 
(Brian Wilson-Mike Love)

Recorded May 24 & June 8, 1968 

Sail Plane Song (2018 mix) (2:19)
 (B. Wilson-C. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Brian

Recorded June 8, 1968

Old Man River (a Capella 2018 mix) (1:18) 
(Kern-Hammerstein) 
Lead vocal: Group

Recorded June 5, 1968

Medley: Old Folks At Home/Old Man River (alternate version) (2:57) 
(Foster/Kern-Hammerstein)
 Lead vocal: Group

Recorded June 10, 1968   

Medley: Old Folks At Home/Old Man River (alternate version track) (2:59) 
(Foster/Kern-Hammerstein)

Recorded June 10, 1968

Walkin’ (2:48)
 (B. Wilson-Jardine) 
Lead vocal: Brian

Track recorded June 18 & 19, 1968; vocal recorded circa October, 1969

Been Way Too Long (sections) (7:56)
 (B. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Brian (and the group)

Recorded Fall 1967, July 24, 25, 26 & 30, 1968

Well You Know I Knew (1:42) 
(D. Wilson)
 Lead vocal: Dennis

Recorded June 3, 1968

Love Affair (demo) (2:00) 
(D. Wilson)
 Lead vocal: Dennis

Recorded August 29, 1968

Peaches (demo) (2:26)
 (D. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Dennis

Recorded August 29, 1968

The Gong (session highlights) (5:29)
(D. Wilson) 
Lead vocal: Dennis
Recorded November 16, 1968

A Time To Live In Dreams (2018 mix) (1:54) 
(D. Wilson-Kalinich)
 Lead vocal: Dennis

Recorded November 1, 1968

All I Want To Do (early version) (1:12) 
(D. Wilson)
 Lead vocal: Dennis

Recorded October 16, 1968

All I Want To Do (Dennis Wilson lead vocal take 1) (2:10) 
(D. Wilson)
 Lead vocal: Dennis

Recorded November 9, 14, 16, 20 & 21, 1968

Bluebirds Over The Mountain (basic track) (1:48)
 (Hickey)

Recorded September 29, 1967

Bluebirds Over The Mountain (mono single mix) (2:51) 
(Hickey) 
Lead vocal: Mike

Recorded September 29, 1967, October 15, 16, 28 & 29, 1968

Mona Kana (demo) (1:16)
 (D. Wilson-Kalinich) 

Recorded July 25, 1968

Mona Kana (2018 mix) (3:03) 
(D. Wilson-Kalinich)

Recorded November 15, 1968

We’re Together Again (remake track with backing vocals) (1:58)
 (B. Wilson-R. Wilson)

Recorded September 3, 6 & 9, 1968

Time To Get Alone (remake track) (2:46)
 (B. Wilson)

Recorded November 21, 1968

Oh Yeah (0:54)
 unknown 
Lead vocal: unknown

Recorded October 14, 1968

Is It True What They Say About Dixie (Audree Wilson) (1:47)
 (Caesar-Lerner-Gerald) 
Lead vocal: Audree Wilson

Recorded 1968



THE BEACH BOYS 1968:
Brian Wilson, Carl Wilson, Dennis Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine & Bruce Johnston

Compilation and New Mixes Produced by Mark Linett & Alan Boyd
Edited, Mixed and Mastered by Mark Linett at Your Place Or Mine

Executive Producers: Matt D’Amico & Peter Fletcher
Art Direction: Susan Lavoie

Original Recordings Produced by The Beach Boys

Engineer: Stephen Desper

Brother Records, Inc: Jerry Schilling, President

Session Research: Craig Slowinski

Special Thanks: Howie Edelson; Elliot Kendall; Ross Schwartz; Mark Kaplan; Pacific Title Archives; Stephen Kalinich; Al Gomes, Connie Watrous & The Rhode Island BB Posse; Brad Rosenberger; Les Prebilsky; Lee Dempsey; Andrew G. Doe; Margaret Gwynne; Betty Collignon Wright; Lori Lightfoot; Steve Latshaw; Panayiotis Bogdanos; Les Chan; Monty & Bailey Linett; David Beard & Endless Summer Quarterly



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: TV Forces on December 06, 2018, 06:59:15 PM
up at itunes US!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: WyattFunderburk on December 06, 2018, 08:45:12 PM
It's a great time to be a Beach Boys fan.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ThreeCats on December 06, 2018, 08:59:04 PM
Looks like there's no backing track for Busy Doin' Nothin'. That's the one thing I want to hear from these sessions more than anything.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: jmc on December 06, 2018, 09:06:06 PM
Can I assume this will be available for download on ITunes at some point? Exciting!!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Custom Machine on December 06, 2018, 09:08:11 PM

Can I assume this will be available for download on ITunes at some point? Exciting!!


It's available! Dropped on iTunes at 9 PM Pacific Time, midnight Eastern Time.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 06, 2018, 09:18:03 PM
Gah I gotta wait a week but the samples have me pumped even more


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: jmc on December 06, 2018, 09:26:13 PM

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It's available! Dropped on iTunes at 9 PM Pacific Time, midnight Eastern Time.



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Huh...I'm on iTunes store now and viewing all Becah Boys albums. Nothing. I'm in California. 


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 06, 2018, 09:32:23 PM
Looks like there's no backing track for Busy Doin' Nothin'. That's the one thing I want to hear from these sessions more than anything.

Well, there is the early alternate version ("Even Steven"), plus the really cool, previously unreleased track "Be Here In The Morning Darling" (track 24), which is almost as good (if not better)!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: bossaroo on December 06, 2018, 09:32:46 PM
disc 1 is 14.49 on Amazon as opposed to 14.99 on itunes. listening now for the first time

HOLY LORD  :o  :o  :o

so grateful right now


I'm amazed how off the radar this release is. nothing coming up on google, no press release, zilch. and this stuff is AMAZING
if you're having trouble finding the discs, try entering the actual titles: Wake The World: The Friends Sessions and I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions. they should both come right up on itunes and amazon. spotify too

happy listening all! merry christmas indeed


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: aeijtzsche on December 06, 2018, 09:35:41 PM


Huh...I'm on iTunes store now and viewing all Becah Boys albums. Nothing. I'm in California.  

The search is not doing very well with these.  I found it by searching song titles.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: sbsugar on December 06, 2018, 09:46:17 PM
It's finally on Spotify in the USA..

NJB


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: B.E. on December 06, 2018, 09:47:51 PM
It’s also on youtube in the US.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: bossaroo on December 06, 2018, 10:07:04 PM
dudes


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Ebb and Flow on December 06, 2018, 10:18:50 PM
For other west-coasters, it's up on Amazon now


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 06, 2018, 10:19:03 PM
Is this real? Am I dreaming? It's more beautiful than I could have ever hoped for.  :o Thank you to everybody who contributed to this and helped it get released. You spoil us.  

Is it just me, or did "Tune L" become  "Peaches"?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Bud Shaver on December 06, 2018, 10:56:40 PM
I'm told the LIVE stuff from this era come out next week


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 06, 2018, 11:20:19 PM
The track "Untitled 1/25/68" is the same song as "Tune L"(albeit a different recording of it). Interesting.  ;D The big take away I keep getting from the 20/20 sessions is how much of a creative force Dennis is already, perhaps quite a bit earlier than we had imagined.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 06, 2018, 11:57:02 PM
Man Brian’s voice was rough as hell on the Passing by with vocals. My theory about his voice change starting around 1971 is looking more and more accurate. His husky vocal on He Come Down is not as much of a outlier as I thought before


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: thelonelysea on December 06, 2018, 11:59:45 PM
I love Brian's vocal on "When A Man Needs A Woman." And Brian praising Audree on "Dixie"..... I just have something in my eye.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ReggieDunbar on December 07, 2018, 12:01:54 AM


Special Thanks: Howie Edelson; Elliot Kendall; Ross Schwartz; Mark Kaplan; Pacific Title Archives; Stephen Kalinich; Al Gomes, Connie Watrous & The Rhode Island BB Posse; Brad Rosenberger; Les Prebilsky; Lee Dempsey; Andrew G. Doe; Margaret Gwynne; Betty Collignon Wright; Lori Lightfoot; Steve Latshaw; Panayiotis Bogdanos; Les Chan; Monty & Bailey Linett; David Beard & Endless Summer Quarterly


Makes me smile to see Les Chan in that list of special thanks.

//RD


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: branaa09 on December 07, 2018, 12:30:49 AM
I love how they covered everything in these releases! Acapellas, Backing Tracks, Custom Mixes such as on Do It Again the Alternate Stereo Mix, giving us the final Sections of Been Way To Long/Can't Wait Too Long, Unreleased Tracks and even things like the 1966 Track Mix for CIFOTM.
Some interesting things so far I noticed were Dennis's All I Want To Do really was his song, Lead Vocal and all! Why did he give it to Mike? Only two things I noticed was missing was a Backing Track for Do It Again and Busy Doin Nothin' minor gripes. I must say Dennis was becoming like Brian, very experimental with things like the Gong Sessions and even the Mona Kana demo with the Moog, I love it!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Willy Wilson on December 07, 2018, 12:56:20 AM
I wonder what was the intention of 'Be Here In The Morning Darling'. It sounds a lot like 'Me and My Shadow'.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: pdas1996 on December 07, 2018, 01:29:25 AM
An attempt at the 1971 "Passing By" lyrics:

Somewhere along the avenue
I stopped to have a look at you
said "hi" as you were just passing by

And as I drove you home with me
a feeling rolling over me
said you were more than just passing by (?)

Warm nights, quiet nights
nights of livid dreams
so close you were to be all i ever needed

Somehow I thought I something-something-something
You stay and build a nest with me
I didn't guess you were just passing by

And as your distance seemed to grow
I've come to really miss you so
All hurt I wish was just passing by

Warm nights, quiet nights
nights of livid dreams
so close you were to be all i ever needed

I guess i am still in love with you
I'll always stay in love with you
I guess I'm still in love with you
I'll always stay in love with you (fade-out)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Shane on December 07, 2018, 01:45:15 AM
I usually hold out on these releases until I can get them in better quality than mp3.  If anybody knows where any higher-res downloads are, please post it!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: STE on December 07, 2018, 01:49:37 AM

Thanks for writing down the Passing By lyrics!
My comments:


Warm nights, quiet nights
nights of livid dreams
so close you were to be all i ever needed
  // in the first bridge I hear "so close to me to be all I ever needed"


Could this verse be:

Somehow I thought I feel the need (?)
You stay and build a nest with me
I didn't guess you were just passing by





Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: feelintheflows on December 07, 2018, 03:13:32 AM
So we get the shitty pointless cash grab orchestra album on cd/vinyl and digital but this we get only digital? Yea I’m passing yet again. I want the physical copy!



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on December 07, 2018, 03:42:19 AM
The “issue” with trying to say these should be physical discounts the fact that these two sets exceed the time limit of to CDs - I’d rather have all the material digitally, than miss out on some physically. Obviously I’d love a multi CD physical though.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Doobidoo on December 07, 2018, 04:21:00 AM
I twirling around wherever I am! Im truly lucky to be able to live in this second golden age of the beach boys. I'll always be thankful to all of you guys in the forums, if it wasnt for you and everyone's enthustiasm, these wonderful guys who made this possibly might've not done it in the beginning.

The early version of All I Wanna Do had me in tears. I thought I would never be able to hear this piece of art only a few before have been able to hear, yet here I Am. It was better than I could imagine

"Be Here in The Morning Darling"'s start is very, very alike "Polytheme Pam"'s start. This got me startled.

Even Steven is so groovy! Is it wrong to call it a samba-version of this (otherwise) Bosa-Nova song?

Even though it was pleasant to hear the lyrics to Passing By sung by Brian, they made the right decission to leave em out.

Do It Again got their best stereo-version right here

The only thing that I got a bit disappointed by was that the "original" version of Walk on by, released on the 2-fer, didn't quite see the light in here as well. It was a pleasure to here the new mix, but I'd really want the "original" in spotify.

Doesn't stop me to really live in this moment though! Again, I cant articulate how meaningful this is.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr. Tiger on December 07, 2018, 04:26:50 AM
The “issue” with trying to say these should be physical discounts the fact that these two sets exceed the time limit of to CDs - I’d rather have all the material digitally, than miss out on some physically. Obviously I’d love a multi CD physical though.

The Friends set comes out to a little over an hour, the 20/20 far exceeds 80 minutes.

With the 16/44 files from Qobuz, I still wanted to make CDs for when I'm on the go.

For the Friends CD, I added I Went to Sleep, Walk On By and the Old Man River sessions to almost fill up the CD.

For the 20/20 CD, in addition to omitting the tracks I was able to fit on the Friends set, I removed the Bluebird tracks (don't care for the song) and the last two with non BB lead vocals, and it fit.

So I was able to fit 67 / 72 tracks on my 2 CDs. Not bad.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: JonEverett on December 07, 2018, 04:29:47 AM
This link might help
https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/wake-the-world-the-friends-sessions-the-beach-boys/qn2ryqg4dkccc

Jon


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: 37!ws (hint: turn it upside-down) on December 07, 2018, 04:34:12 AM
Nope - have to be invited to register at QoBuz. :(


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on December 07, 2018, 04:38:26 AM
Reading sketch reviews here, I'm especially interested to hear "Passing By" with lyrics. It's beautiful song which could be cooler with voice.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: JonEverett on December 07, 2018, 04:40:32 AM
Nope - have to be invited to register at QoBuz. :(

Really, I'm fairly sure I didnt get an invite. Its a shop after all!!
Jon


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: 37!ws (hint: turn it upside-down) on December 07, 2018, 04:44:49 AM
...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr. Tiger on December 07, 2018, 04:49:42 AM
There is a backdoor into getting a Qobuz account through the UK site. This is discussed in one of the current Steve Hoffman threads on these new sets.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: STE on December 07, 2018, 04:49:53 AM
Reading sketch reviews here, I'm especially interested to hear "Passing By" with lyrics. It's beautiful song which could be cooler with voice.


Yeah, it's a rough scratch vocal on top of the normal track.  Rough, but interesting.



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Cabinessenceking on December 07, 2018, 04:57:49 AM
The track "Untitled 1/25/68" is the same song as "Tune L"(albeit a different recording of it). Interesting.  ;D The big take away I keep getting from the 20/20 sessions is how much of a creative force Dennis is already, perhaps quite a bit earlier than we had imagined.

Dennis really comes across as a creative force in these sessions. His demoes dominate the track listing!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: 37!ws (hint: turn it upside-down) on December 07, 2018, 05:06:49 AM
AHA!!! Figured out qobuz:

- Use a VPN (Windscribe will do -- and it's free) to switch to a European country.
- IF POSSIBLE, SWITCH TO A COUNTRY WHOSE NATIVE LANGUAGE YOU UNDERSTAND!!!
- Create an account at QoBuz - if it thinks you're in a different country, it will let you.
- At this point, it's safe to kill your VPN connection.
- Download away!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Wrightfan on December 07, 2018, 05:24:49 AM
Have to go to work soon so I kinda sped my way through the songs. Even Steven is the early highlight for me.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 07, 2018, 06:20:46 AM

Even though it was pleasant to hear the lyrics to Passing By sung by Brian, they made the right decission to leave em out.


FYI, they didn't leave them out (of the original album mix), because they weren't recorded until 1971-ish.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jim V. on December 07, 2018, 07:11:38 AM
A few random thoughts...

"Even Steven" is great. For whatever reason, "Busy Doin' Nothin'" has never been a favorite of mine, but this one just works for me. Really doesn't make sense as they are so similar, but whatever.

"Be Here In The Morning Darling" is wonderful. What is it? Is it an entirely different thing from "Be Here In The Morning"? Or is it a totally different backing track that the same lyrics were supposed to be applied to?

"Been Way Too Long (Sections)" is as awesome as I'd hoped for. Brian was truly in the zone with this tune and it's a shame that it was never truly finished. But what we have from it is amazing and maybe the mystery of never knowing what it quite coulda been works for it in the same way that it does for things like The Beach Boys versions of "Do You Like Worms" and "Child Is Father Of The Man" and this basically leaves them just fine in the form they are now in.

Listening to Brian's chord progressions on things like "I'm Confessin'", "You're As Cool As Can Be" and "Our New Home" never gets old. I wouldn't be mad if there were 500 more things like this in the vault. I still enjoy things like things like "Da Da" and "Heroes And Villains: All Day" from The SMiLE Sessions and "Hide Go Seek" and "Honey Get Home" from Sunshine Tomorrow. Brian at the keyboard pounding out chords just hits the spot for me.

"Passing By" from the legendary re-write sessions is definitely fascinating. Is it good? Yeah. Is it better than what was on the Friends album? In my opinion right at this moment? No. Still glad though to hear a 1971 Brian Wilson lead vocal though. And glad to hear those lyrics. I have to assume though, that the 1971 re-written versions of "Wake The World", "Friends" and "Be Still" have been lost though cuz otherwise they'd have probably been on here too. Also must say how odd it is that Brian wanted to do new versions of songs from one of the group's least successful albums sales wise. Perhaps he just thought that at least those four songs deserved another chance to be heard? Who knows? Also weird that one of the re-writes is of a Dennis song.

Too bad they never finished working on "Rock And Roll Woman" as I think that song was one that works really well for The Beach Boys.

All the Denny stuff is super cool too. Do I ever need to hear whatever "The Gong" is ever again? I'm not sure about that.  ;D


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 07, 2018, 07:18:53 AM
I've only had a chance to dip my toe into this stuff so far, but it's as mind-blowing as promised. Thanks to Alan Boyd, Mark Linett, Howie Edelson, and everybody else who made this thing happen. They're fighting the good fight for the Beach Boys archives, which as we've discussed (and continues to be proved) is the most impressive repository of amazing wholly unreleased recorded material that likely exists. And they're still turning up stuff we didn't even know existed, like that "Passing By" rewrite.

And think about it, we haven't even hit the 70s yet.....


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Rocker on December 07, 2018, 08:04:24 AM
Just listned to the samples on amazon. Even these little snippets blow my mind. Great stuff. Thanks to everyone involved in bringing this to daylight. Freaking incredible what this band has in it's vaults.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Shady on December 07, 2018, 08:10:41 AM
Just listned to the samples on amazon. Even these little snippets blow my mind. Great stuff. Thanks to everyone involved in bringing this to daylight. Freaking incredible what this band has in it's vaults.

It's honestly ridiculous, best band ever by a mile.

"Even steven" is a nice little twist on one of my favourite Brian songs. So glad to have it


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on December 07, 2018, 08:16:02 AM
"I'm Confessin'/You're As Cool As Can Be 1": I'm intrigued to see what this is. It's a Brian thing right?

Having not heard it yet, I'm guessing "I'm Confessin'" is an old song. Frank Ifield recorded a version of it in the early '60s.

I didn't know the Ifield song, but having looked it up on Youtube and had a listen, I don't think the song on the 1968 BB set is a cover of Frank's tune. Unless Brian decided he was gonna REALLY f**k with the chords in his version! Also, the credits on Spotify mark it to 'Brian Wilson'. So I think it was an original. And the interesting chords certainly sound like something Brian would come up with during this period. When I first listened yesterday, and as with my first listen to 'Summer Means New Love' years back, I kept going 'OK, I know where THIS progression is going'... and getting it totally wrong. Listening to it was a lovely series of surprises!    :-D

The puzzle remains why the Beach Boys never returned to this stuff later, even if they never got 'I'm Confessing' finished in time for Friends. They were scraping the barrel for Brian compositions a few years later... why didn't they take another look at primo material like this?

One valid reason is that styles change as the years go by... and I can see why, say the 60s lounge of 'Be Here In The Morning Darling' would have seemed a bit passé on a BB release in, say, 1972... but if the Beach Boys did worry about this kind of thing, it didn't stop them putting out 'Suzie Cincinnati' multiple times throughout the course of the 70s... a decade not known for being particularly static in terms of prevailing musical styles in the pop idiom. Or using 'Good Time' unaltered six or seven years after it was recorded. Or releasing 'When Girls Get Together' about a DECADE after it was recorded!!

As usual, it's hard to disagree with Jack Rieley's assessment: "To sum it up, they blew it, they blew it consistently, they continue to blow it..." Amazing, world-beating songwriters and vocalists... lousy releasers of records.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 07, 2018, 08:47:37 AM
Meant For You (Alternate Version With Session Intro) - Is that Murry Wilson critiquing Brian's vocal over the talkback? Sounds like him. Shades of the Rhonda tape perhaps?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Tord on December 07, 2018, 08:52:09 AM
Very excited by these releases, but I wonder why the strings version of Friends isn't included.
Love what we got, though.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ThreeCats on December 07, 2018, 09:11:18 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I hear hints of Lonely Days in I'm Confessin'. I wonder if it's an evolution of the same song.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jeff on December 07, 2018, 09:39:38 AM
It’s also on youtube in the US.

Where?  I’ve searched and searched and found nothing.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: onatrain on December 07, 2018, 09:48:16 AM
It’s also on youtube in the US.

Where?  I’ve searched and searched and found nothing.

Wake The World: The Friends Sessions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyWvnaxFJA&list=OLAK5uy_leglqA8yPOmWhd1wkPynUpERF78Mpfof8

I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymMddsuzKyc&list=OLAK5uy_mHwXKak8vDw4iib1F_sz-uvAfzPvDCp5g

Edit: working for me in Canada


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jeff on December 07, 2018, 10:02:50 AM
It’s also on youtube in the US.

Where?  I’ve searched and searched and found nothing.

Wake The World: The Friends Sessions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyWvnaxFJA&list=OLAK5uy_leglqA8yPOmWhd1wkPynUpERF78Mpfof8

I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymMddsuzKyc&list=OLAK5uy_mHwXKak8vDw4iib1F_sz-uvAfzPvDCp5g

Edit: working for me in Canada

Thanks!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 07, 2018, 10:31:25 AM
Meant For You (Alternate Version With Session Intro) - Is that Murry Wilson critiquing Brian's vocal over the talkback? Sounds like him. Shades of the Rhonda tape perhaps?

Murry unofficially co-produced the "Meant For You" session, along with a few other Friends tracks like "Ann Lee" and "Transcendental Mediation". He also sang the low bass note on "Be Here In The Morning", so he likely co-produced that one, as well.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 07, 2018, 10:38:36 AM
Did not know that!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 07, 2018, 10:47:37 AM
Meant For You (Alternate Version With Session Intro) - Is that Murry Wilson critiquing Brian's vocal over the talkback? Sounds like him. Shades of the Rhonda tape perhaps?

Murry unofficially co-produced the "Meant For You" session, along with a few other Friends tracks like "Ann Lee" and "Transcendental Mediation". He also sang the low bass note on "Be Here In The Morning", so he likely co-produced that one, as well.

The back-and-forth reminded me of the Rhonda session, as brief as it is presented here. Nothing changed in 3 years, and I cringed when Murry said "Brian..." over the talkback. Typical Brian reply too.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 07, 2018, 11:08:20 AM
Meant For You (Alternate Version With Session Intro) - Is that Murry Wilson critiquing Brian's vocal over the talkback? Sounds like him. Shades of the Rhonda tape perhaps?

Murry unofficially co-produced the "Meant For You" session, along with a few other Friends tracks like "Ann Lee" and "Transcendental Mediation". He also sang the low bass note on "Be Here In The Morning", so he likely co-produced that one, as well.

Fascinating. I'll say this for Murry: he helped get one of Mike's very best vocal performances (maybe even Mike's best) out of him.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Bud Shaver on December 07, 2018, 11:46:10 AM
Links for the US Wake the World collection:

https://ume.lnk.to/WakeTheWorld?fbclid=IwAR1Gwc1S37bKnjw-TXfS3ef8Hd3Az_Tvj0RHC554WjX1hiYf9gWiZhmVt-0


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ReggieDunbar on December 07, 2018, 12:10:13 PM
Mindfuck:
The period of time from C50-tour til now = same as Surfin Safari til All I Want To Do


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Rocker on December 07, 2018, 12:21:39 PM
Is "Well you know I knew" a Manson composition? Sounds like what I would imagine that would sound like. Beautiful though


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 07, 2018, 12:36:22 PM
During the research and going through the archives for this project, were the Charles Manson tapes discovered and/or gone through? I know realistically there is no way they could ever be released officially, but I'm just wondering if the tapes were listened to, just to get a general idea of what's there.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Steve Mayo on December 07, 2018, 12:43:46 PM
kinda nice to see the 20-20 set and wake the world set ranked at this moment on amazon's pop digital downloads chart at #1 and #2.

killer releases.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 07, 2018, 12:50:40 PM
Mindfuck:
The period of time from C50-tour til now = same as Surfin Safari til All I Want To Do

Whoa


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: bossaroo on December 07, 2018, 01:08:49 PM
"Be Here In The Morning Darling" is wonderful. What is it? Is it an entirely different thing from "Be Here In The Morning"? Or is it a totally different backing track that the same lyrics were supposed to be applied to?

it took a few listens but it is indeed the same song. you can hum the melody right over this new track for the most part. amazing

I'm also floored by the backing track we got for the actual Be Here In the Morning. the choruses are especially lush and the bells give it a timely holiday vibe. that slide guitar is such a sweet effect too. anyone know who or what that is exactly?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Shady on December 07, 2018, 01:29:52 PM
Can we start the sunflower thread now  ;D


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: metal flake paint on December 07, 2018, 01:34:09 PM
"Be Here In The Morning Darling" is wonderful. What is it? Is it an entirely different thing from "Be Here In The Morning"? Or is it a totally different backing track that the same lyrics were supposed to be applied to?

it took a few listens but it is indeed the same song. you can hum the melody right over this new track for the most part. amazing

I'm also floored by the backing track we got for the actual Be Here In the Morning. the choruses are especially lush and the bells give it a timely holiday vibe. that slide guitar is such a sweet effect too. anyone know who or what that is exactly?

Craig lists Al Vescovo as guitarist so I'm guessing it's him playing the slide. Hopefully c-man can clarify.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 07, 2018, 02:02:31 PM
"Be Here In The Morning Darling" is wonderful. What is it? Is it an entirely different thing from "Be Here In The Morning"? Or is it a totally different backing track that the same lyrics were supposed to be applied to?

it took a few listens but it is indeed the same song. you can hum the melody right over this new track for the most part. amazing

I'm also floored by the backing track we got for the actual Be Here In the Morning. the choruses are especially lush and the bells give it a timely holiday vibe. that slide guitar is such a sweet effect too. anyone know who or what that is exactly?

I would assume it's a lap steel overdub.
Craig lists Al Vescovo as guitarist so I'm guessing it's him playing the slide. Hopefully c-man can clarify.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: bossaroo on December 07, 2018, 02:34:36 PM
I figured it was probably Al on steel but can't figure out the "shimmery" effect he's using/getting. could be processed by Brian after the fact? this part is basically inaudible on the released version:

https://picosong.com/wjUiY/


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: “Big Daddy” on December 07, 2018, 03:55:01 PM
Still waiting for these to drop on us.7digital.com. They usually have good prices for high-rez versions of these sets. You just have to wait a day or two...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: bossaroo on December 07, 2018, 04:51:16 PM
here's a quick mashup of Be Here In The Morning/Darling. keep in mind they're in two different time signatures. had to stretch the original to fit the new track but they're in the same key, no pitch shifting here

https://picosong.com/wjUib/



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Bedroom Tapes on December 07, 2018, 04:58:26 PM
So incredibly thankful for these spectacular archival releases we've been getting in the past couple years!  Major thanks to Alan Boyd, Mark Linett, Jerry Schilling and all else involved on the Beach Boys team for making this possible.  :hat


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 07, 2018, 05:26:58 PM
here's a quick mashup of Be Here In The Morning/Darling. keep in mind they're in two different time signatures. had to stretch the original to fit the new track but they're in the same key, no pitch shifting here

https://picosong.com/wjUib/



That same mashup was playing in my head before you made it. Bravo, and it's fascinating, ain't it?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Emdeeh on December 07, 2018, 06:23:35 PM
Has there been any press release put out on this? I've been looking, but haven't found one so far.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Austin Shields on December 07, 2018, 06:57:07 PM
Does Be Here in the Morning Darling sound like a Murry-fied version of Be Here in the Morning to anyone? It has that certain Don Ralke/Sunrays sound to me.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 07, 2018, 07:00:11 PM
Does Be Here in the Morning Darling sound like a Murry-fied version of Be Here in the Morning to anyone? It has that certain Don Ralke/Sunrays sound to me.

Good point, I can see that!  But I'm pretty sure if Don Ralke was involved, his name would be on the AFM contract, and it's not.  :)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Ebb and Flow on December 07, 2018, 07:14:18 PM
Speaking of "Be Here In The Morning", one missed opportunity I noticed was the lack of anything from the vocal overdub session...or even just an a cappella version, especially given that it featured Murry filling in for Mike.  Is there any chance of there being bonus session material like that on the download with the live material?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Pet Sounder on December 07, 2018, 07:47:43 PM
So grateful for this release! Thanks to everyone involved!

One question - any chance there’ll be another release before the end of the year? I know they snuck in a 2nd volume of Sunshine Tomorrow after the first volume was out for awhile. I’m still hoping we’ll get the backing track for “We’re Together Again”.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 07, 2018, 11:14:55 PM
I'm surprised how much Brian's voice had already changed by the time of that Passing By vocal.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: superunison on December 08, 2018, 12:55:21 AM
Cman, do you have any insight on the provenance of the vocals at 5:47 on the Been Way Too Long Sessions? They’ve never sounded like vintage 1968 vocals to me. Is there a chance they’re from the 1980 Sessions?

"Be Here In The Morning Darling" is wonderful. What is it? Is it an entirely different thing from "Be Here In The Morning"? Or is it a totally different backing track that the same lyrics were supposed to be applied to?

it took a few listens but it is indeed the same song. you can hum the melody right over this new track for the most part. amazing

I'm also floored by the backing track we got for the actual Be Here In the Morning. the choruses are especially lush and the bells give it a timely holiday vibe. that slide guitar is such a sweet effect too. anyone know who or what that is exactly?

I would assume it's a lap steel overdub.
Craig lists Al Vescovo as guitarist so I'm guessing it's him playing the slide. Hopefully c-man can clarify.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jesse Reiswig on December 08, 2018, 06:53:34 AM
I can't stop listening to "Even Steven"!!

This has somehow may an incredible track even more extraordinarily inventive for me. The faster tempo, more intent concentration on the rhythm and groovier vocals on the bridge if anything make it a more exciting track to me.

And I'm only a quarter of the way through the sets!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: harrisonjon on December 08, 2018, 07:51:08 AM
Queries:

1. Why hadn't the 1966 Track Mix for CIFOTM been released previously? Is it a new discovery?

2. Is it Stephen Desper on the talkback (e.g. Meant For You)?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 08, 2018, 09:48:01 AM
Queries:

1. Why hadn't the 1966 Track Mix for CIFOTM been released previously? Is it a new discovery?

2. Is it Stephen Desper on the talkback (e.g. Meant For You)?

2. Depends on the track, and the voice - sometimes it's Steve Desper, but on "Meant For You", it's engineer Jim Lockert calling out the take number, and Murry is the other control room voice ("Brian...try better").


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: harrisonjon on December 08, 2018, 11:31:21 AM
Murry still giving him in sh*t in 1968? Poor guy.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: TV Forces on December 08, 2018, 11:34:11 AM
So grateful for this release! Thanks to everyone involved!

One question - any chance there’ll be another release before the end of the year? I know they snuck in a 2nd volume of Sunshine Tomorrow after the first volume was out for awhile. I’m still hoping we’ll get the backing track for “We’re Together Again”.
A live set is also coming.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: SBonilla on December 08, 2018, 12:03:06 PM
I figured it was probably Al on steel but can't figure out the "shimmery" effect he's using/getting. could be processed by Brian after the fact? this part is basically inaudible on the released version:

https://picosong.com/wjUiY/

Sounds like a volume pedal on the steel.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Margarita on December 08, 2018, 12:28:49 PM
And Brian praising Audree on "Dixie"..... I just have something in my eye.
is that really Audree singing?  Her voice is so beautiful!  Is this the first time we've heard a recording of her?  It's so obvious how Brian was influenced by her musically, hearing that at home while growing up. 


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 08, 2018, 12:36:00 PM
I figured it was probably Al on steel but can't figure out the "shimmery" effect he's using/getting. could be processed by Brian after the fact? this part is basically inaudible on the released version:

https://picosong.com/wjUiY/

Sounds like a volume pedal on the steel.

Yep, I would say so.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 08, 2018, 12:37:24 PM
And Brian praising Audree on "Dixie"..... I just have something in my eye.
is that really Audree singing?  Her voice is so beautiful!  Is this the first time we've heard a recording of her?  It's so obvious how Brian was influenced by her musically, hearing that at home while growing up. 

Oh yeah, it's definitely Audree. She sings backup on "Barbie" by Kenny & The Cadets, and of course there are recordings of her speaking, but this is her solo singing debut!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: RiC on December 08, 2018, 01:05:19 PM
What's the story of Oh Yeah?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Custom Machine on December 08, 2018, 01:57:46 PM

Meant For You (Alternate Version With Session Intro) - Is that Murry Wilson critiquing Brian's vocal over the talkback? Sounds like him. Shades of the Rhonda tape perhaps?


Murry unofficially co-produced the "Meant For You" session, along with a few other Friends tracks like "Ann Lee" and "Transcendental Mediation". He also sang the low bass note on "Be Here In The Morning", so he likely co-produced that one, as well.


And there's that interview with Carl (I think it was on one of those radio specials) where he says something to the effect that Friends (doesn't specify if he's referring to the single or the album) was basically "Brian and our dad."





Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: MsBecca on December 08, 2018, 02:43:09 PM
What's the story of Oh Yeah?

I said this same thing at the other joint but it sounds almost like early rap. I played it the yesterday  roomie asks me what I was listening too and she thought I was full of mularkey when I told her The Beach Boys


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Austin Shields on December 08, 2018, 02:55:37 PM
A funny observation, I was listening to Love Affair and noticed the chorus of Forever is in there. In the same key too!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mr Fulton on December 08, 2018, 04:00:17 PM
In Peaches you can hear parts of Ecology


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 08, 2018, 04:14:32 PM
A funny observation, I was listening to Love Affair and noticed the chorus of Forever is in there. In the same key too!

Great catch!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 08, 2018, 04:15:59 PM
What's the story of Oh Yeah?

I said this same thing at the other joint but it sounds almost like early rap. I played it the yesterday  roomie asks me what I was listening too and she thought I was full of mularkey when I told her The Beach Boys

:lol


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 08, 2018, 04:39:10 PM
A funny observation, I was listening to Love Affair and noticed the chorus of Forever is in there. In the same key too!
I don't hear "Forever" in "Love Affair" at all. But I do hear quite a bit of "Barbara" in it. The "now, now, now" part in "Love Affair" became "I love you, I love you, I love you" in Barbara.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Loaf on December 08, 2018, 05:55:34 PM
What sites are people using to download this set?

Apologies for the noob question, but I'm still a CD-purchaser at heart so I'm not familiar with many download sites.

I want the best possible audio quality (so not iTunes), but it's not up on 7digital yet and Tidal seems ridiculously expensive.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: over and over on December 08, 2018, 06:26:50 PM
Loving the early All I wanna do track.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on December 08, 2018, 07:18:07 PM
Well You Know I Knew sounds like Neil Young trying to cover Last Train to Clarksville.

It's great.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 08, 2018, 07:25:50 PM
What sites are people using to download this set?

Apologies for the noob question, but I'm still a CD-purchaser at heart so I'm not familiar with many download sites.

I want the best possible audio quality (so not iTunes), but it's not up on 7digital yet and Tidal seems ridiculously expensive.

I used Qobuz - since I live in the U.S., I had to utilize the VPN workaround as described on Page 11 of this thread...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: seltaeb1012002 on December 09, 2018, 01:00:36 AM
"Passing By" demo - alternate listening experience   :)

https://clyp.it/qrwuvffw


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: PetSmile on December 09, 2018, 02:24:03 AM
"Passing By" demo - alternate listening experience   :)

https://clyp.it/qrwuvffw

Sent you a DM with a bit of a request. You must get this a fair bit, but I'd love a response either way.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mustomax on December 09, 2018, 05:25:26 AM
Hi!
Has anybody a date release for the live things?
Thanks


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Wata on December 09, 2018, 06:50:41 AM
Hi!
Has anybody a date release for the live things?
Thanks
There is no official announce yet, but among fans it is speculated to be Dec 14.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mustomax on December 09, 2018, 06:58:06 AM
Hi!
Has anybody a date release for the live things?
Thanks
There is no official announce yet, but among fans it is speculated to be Dec 14.


It's good to be a Beach Boys' fan these times!
A remix of the "live in London" shows, with audibles guitar solos would be great! Like they did for"all I want to do", in the "MIC boxset" compared to the "rarities" version!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: PetSmile on December 09, 2018, 07:35:33 AM
"Passing By" demo - alternate listening experience   :)

https://clyp.it/qrwuvffw

Sent you a DM with a bit of a request. You must get this a fair bit, but I'd love a response either way.

Sent a bit of an important response back to ya :afro


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: seltaeb1012002 on December 09, 2018, 08:01:24 AM
"Passing By" demo - alternate listening experience   :)

https://clyp.it/qrwuvffw

Sent you a DM with a bit of a request. You must get this a fair bit, but I'd love a response either way.

Sent a bit of an important response back to ya :afro

Here's the FLAC for you & anyone else who wants to grab it  :)

https://we.tl/t-uOUBEw1lxA


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: PetSmile on December 09, 2018, 08:09:04 AM
"Passing By" demo - alternate listening experience   :)

https://clyp.it/qrwuvffw

Sent you a DM with a bit of a request. You must get this a fair bit, but I'd love a response either way.

Sent a bit of an important response back to ya :afro

Here's the FLAC for you & anyone else who wants to grab it  :)

https://we.tl/t-uOUBEw1lxA

Thank you for this really exceptional remix that brings to life a low-res cassette reference copy of a legendary piece of work.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Shady on December 09, 2018, 10:52:13 AM
Mike's "still not dyin" part in "old man river"  :love

I'm in love with this set


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: bossaroo on December 09, 2018, 11:37:53 AM
the lyric there is:

I get weary, and sick of tryin
I'm tired of livin, and scared of dyin

there's more to the song than what Brian went with, but I love his take on this great American standard.


I figured it was probably Al on steel but can't figure out the "shimmery" effect he's using/getting. could be processed by Brian after the fact? this part is basically inaudible on the released version:

https://picosong.com/wjUiY/

Sounds like a volume pedal on the steel.

most steel players use a volume pedal. I don't hear that so much as an effect on the steel, likely a low-speed Leslie. and what a cool sound it is


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: bossaroo on December 09, 2018, 11:49:46 AM
where can we find the studio personnel info for these sessions??


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Kid Presentable on December 09, 2018, 12:29:11 PM
These sessions are so good.  Being able to identify different working parts and pieces that get reshaped, discarded, or cobbled onto other songs is so fascinating. 

I can't stop listening to Be Here In The Morning Darling. 


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: STE on December 09, 2018, 12:33:35 PM
the lyric there is:

I get weary, and sick of tryin
I'm tired of livin, and scared of dyin

there's more to the song than what Brian went with, but I love his take on this great American standard.




You are right. I couldn't hear them buried under the sound of 50,000 didgeridoos.






Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: bossaroo on December 09, 2018, 12:50:19 PM
how great is the chatter we get at the beginning of Time To Get Alone (a capella)?? not to mention the isolated DEEP & WIDE

thanks to seltaeb for that Passing By remix!
as for the lyrics, I think this is what we got:


PASSING BY (1971)

Somewhere along the avenue
I stopped to have a look at you
Said "hi" as you were just passing by

And as I drove you home with me
A feeling rolling over me
Said you were more than just passing by

Warm nights, quiet nights
Nights of living dreams
So close you were to being all I ever needed

Somehow I thought I'd fill the need
You'd stay and build a nest with me
I didn't guess you're just passing by

And as your distance seemed to grow
I've come to really miss you so
A hurt I wish was just passing by

Warm nights, quiet nights
Nights of living dreams
So close you were to being all I ever needed

I guess I'm still in love with you
I'll always stay in love with you
I guess I'm still in love with you
I'll always stay in love with you


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Blake Alan on December 09, 2018, 03:22:40 PM
I'm blown away by the alternate "Bluebirds Over the Mountain"! It's sounds like a brand new song. Not sure that it would have performed any better as a single at the time, but I definitely prefer this version, by far.

And there's so much other great material here as well. While I hoped we'd get Brian's '66 "Child" mix at some point, I was starting to doubt it would ever be released. And, of course, the "I'm In Great Shape" snippet at the end was another mind blower! Do we have any confirmation on the source for that? IIRC, Mark (or someone else in the know), mentioned the buyer of the Durrie Parks acetates denied their request to make a copy. Am I misremembering here, or did another copy surface? At any rate, I want to express my sincere thanks to Howie, Alan, Mark and everyone else that made this happen!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on December 09, 2018, 05:01:57 PM
I haven’t read through the whole thread so I don’t know if anyone else has said it but man, Dennis’s vocal on “All I Want to Do” is far superior to Mike.  Should have put this version on the original album! https://youtu.be/5OK0rEvqHDQ


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 09, 2018, 06:44:06 PM
I agree. My daughter said it sounded like the Stones


Title: 'I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions' is OUT NOW!
Post by: Surfer on December 09, 2018, 09:09:18 PM
I went to the I to the I Tunes store and found 'I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions' is OUT NOW!  I was shocked
My question is will this be out on CD ?  Or just streaming  ??? :thewilsons


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 09, 2018, 10:20:54 PM
I haven’t read through the whole thread so I don’t know if anyone else has said it but man, Dennis’s vocal on “All I Want to Do” is far superior to Mike.  Should have put this version on the original album! https://youtu.be/5OK0rEvqHDQ

I'm curious to know the reasoning why Mike was chosen as the lead vocalist over the original Dennis vocal.  Mike's is sorta interesting, unlike anything else he's ever done, but objectively I just don't think it's as strong as Denny's, and I wonder if Denny just didn't have the self confidence to release that type of vocal for himself at that point, or what the reason was.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jay on December 09, 2018, 10:36:56 PM
I haven’t read through the whole thread so I don’t know if anyone else has said it but man, Dennis’s vocal on “All I Want to Do” is far superior to Mike.  Should have put this version on the original album! https://youtu.be/5OK0rEvqHDQ

I'm curious to know the reasoning why Mike was chosen as the lead vocalist over the original Dennis vocal.  Mike's is sorta interesting, unlike anything else he's ever done, but objectively I just don't think it's as strong as Denny's, and I wonder if Denny just didn't have the self confidence to release that type of vocal for himself at that point, or what the reason was.
On the newly released take 2 with Dennis singing, there is actually a part from Mike that ended up on the released version, so I wonder if Mike was always going to be featured on the song somehow.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 09, 2018, 11:33:23 PM
I haven’t read through the whole thread so I don’t know if anyone else has said it but man, Dennis’s vocal on “All I Want to Do” is far superior to Mike.  Should have put this version on the original album! https://youtu.be/5OK0rEvqHDQ

I'm curious to know the reasoning why Mike was chosen as the lead vocalist over the original Dennis vocal.  Mike's is sorta interesting, unlike anything else he's ever done, but objectively I just don't think it's as strong as Denny's, and I wonder if Denny just didn't have the self confidence to release that type of vocal for himself at that point, or what the reason was.
On the newly released take 2 with Dennis singing, there is actually a part from Mike that ended up on the released version, so I wonder if Mike was always going to be featured on the song somehow.

Interesting. I haven't made it that far into the set yet.

What I really want to know… is how many people in the band were "in the know" and fully aware of the naughty content of the fadeout of this song on the original album.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mustomax on December 10, 2018, 12:56:23 AM
I haven’t read through the whole thread so I don’t know if anyone else has said it but man, Dennis’s vocal on “All I Want to Do” is far superior to Mike.  Should have put this version on the original album! https://youtu.be/5OK0rEvqHDQ

I'm curious to know the reasoning why Mike was chosen as the lead vocalist over the original Dennis vocal.  Mike's is sorta interesting, unlike anything else he's ever done, but objectively I just don't think it's as strong as Denny's, and I wonder if Denny just didn't have the self confidence to release that type of vocal for himself at that point, or what the reason was.
On the newly released take 2 with Dennis singing, there is actually a part from Mike that ended up on the released version, so I wonder if Mike was always going to be featured on the song somehow.
  yes, it's cleary Mike at the end of the song!
Interesting. I haven't made it that far into the set yet.

What I really want to know… is how many people in the band were "in the know" and fully aware of the naughty content of the fadeout of this song on the original album.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: mustomax on December 10, 2018, 12:58:09 AM
I haven’t read through the whole thread so I don’t know if anyone else has said it but man, Dennis’s vocal on “All I Want to Do” is far superior to Mike.  Should have put this version on the original album! https://youtu.be/5OK0rEvqHDQ

Do it again to!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Rocker on December 10, 2018, 02:05:05 AM
I haven’t read through the whole thread so I don’t know if anyone else has said it but man, Dennis’s vocal on “All I Want to Do” is far superior to Mike.  Should have put this version on the original album! https://youtu.be/5OK0rEvqHDQ

I'm curious to know the reasoning why Mike was chosen as the lead vocalist over the original Dennis vocal.  Mike's is sorta interesting, unlike anything else he's ever done, but objectively I just don't think it's as strong as Denny's, and I wonder if Denny just didn't have the self confidence to release that type of vocal for himself at that point, or what the reason was.



Well, actually Dennis is struggling to get this song right. Mike's voice (or technique) in that range is much fuller and strong, so I can see why he got the lead on that. While I like Dennis', it is certainly not as direct and in-your-face as Mike's.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: TV Forces on December 10, 2018, 05:04:56 AM
Have Mark or Alan said anything about a lossless/hi-res version being available to US customers who are holding out?  Or should we just give in to lossy?


Title: Re: 'I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions' is OUT NOW!
Post by: TV Forces on December 10, 2018, 05:05:44 AM
Yeah, three days ago..  you don't think we've been discussing this?

No physical media option.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Jim V. on December 10, 2018, 06:55:40 AM
I haven’t read through the whole thread so I don’t know if anyone else has said it but man, Dennis’s vocal on “All I Want to Do” is far superior to Mike.  Should have put this version on the original album! https://youtu.be/5OK0rEvqHDQ

I'm curious to know the reasoning why Mike was chosen as the lead vocalist over the original Dennis vocal.  Mike's is sorta interesting, unlike anything else he's ever done, but objectively I just don't think it's as strong as Denny's, and I wonder if Denny just didn't have the self confidence to release that type of vocal for himself at that point, or what the reason was.



Well, actually Dennis is struggling to get this song right. Mike's voice (or technique) in that range is much fuller and strong, so I can see why he got the lead on that. While I like Dennis', it is certainly not as direct and in-your-face as Mike's.

I'd been meaning to say something like this as well Rocker. While I think having a Dennis lead on "All I Want To Do" is freaking awesome, it has made me re-investigate the song, and I have to say that Mike Love is the right singer for it. I think if one is able to try to forget its that litigious, money grubbing goofball you realize that his voice really cuts through on this cut in a way Dennis' voice didn't. It'd be like having a breathy Carl lead on "Heroes and Villains" rather than Brian's lead in my opinion. It just wouldn't work. Or at the least it'd be really different.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 10, 2018, 07:14:03 AM
Have Mark or Alan said anything about a lossless/hi-res version being available to US customers who are holding out?  Or should we just give in to lossy?

For losless CD-quality FLAC, there's always the Qobuz with VPN option described on Page 11 of this thread...this worked for me!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 10, 2018, 07:17:03 AM
Have Mark or Alan said anything about a lossless/hi-res version being available to US customers who are holding out?  Or should we just give in to lossy?

For lossless CD-quality FLAC, there's always the Qobuz with VPN option described on Page 11 of this thread...this worked for me!



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Rocker on December 10, 2018, 07:26:59 AM
C-Man, this is a little off topic, but do you know if session tapes for the single version of "Cottonfields" still exist?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Rocker on December 10, 2018, 10:09:39 AM
"Walkin'" became "Morning beat" from "That lucky old sun", right?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: MaestroDavros on December 10, 2018, 10:10:13 AM
Have Mark or Alan said anything about a lossless/hi-res version being available to US customers who are holding out?  Or should we just give in to lossy?
Outside of the aformentioned Qobuz VPN loophole the only place in the US that they're currently available in FLAC that I'm aware of is the TIDAL store. $25.19 for Wake The World and $34.19 for I Can Hear Music.

Also they're not going to appear on 7Digital anytime soon. They haven't updated the albums available since last month, and when I contacted them about this they said that they have no plans to add anything more for the foreseeable future.

C-Man, this is a little off topic, but do you know if session tapes for the single version of "Cottonfields" still exist?
I hope so myself. I need a 2019 Stereo Mix of "Cottonfields (Single Version)" more accurate to the mono mix, pretty please Mark? :angel:


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Manfred on December 10, 2018, 10:11:53 AM
"Our new home" is an early try on Our sweet love (the verse).


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 10, 2018, 10:50:30 AM
C-Man, this is a little off topic, but do you know if session tapes for the single version of "Cottonfields" still exist?

I beleive so, since it was remixed in stereo for the 2013 MIC box set.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: superunison on December 10, 2018, 11:19:24 AM
C-man tried asking this earlier, but does anyone know when the vocals were done at 5:47 on Been Way Too Long Sessions? They always sounded strange to me. Is it possible that they were done in 1980?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: DonnyL on December 10, 2018, 11:42:49 AM
I think "I'm Confessin'" is "Lonely Days" ?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 10, 2018, 11:56:45 AM
Child is the father of the man! ;D


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: rab2591 on December 10, 2018, 12:13:21 PM
Child is the father of the man! ;D

What is most striking about this song being on this release: It reminds me so much of the backing track for some Friends songs. I mean, I know part of CIFOTM is in Little Bird, but the SMiLE music style is ever present in these Friends tracks. With Friends Brian regains some of that child-like magic he had in SMiLE, it still seems like a smaller production comparatively but it regains some of that sunshine that is glaringly missing from Smiley Smile.

So when I hear CIFOTM at the end of this set, it doesn't stick out much at all, it kinda fits right in there.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 10, 2018, 12:18:46 PM
Alan Boyd and Mark Linett rule!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: “Big Daddy” on December 10, 2018, 12:44:08 PM
Also they're not going to appear on 7Digital anytime soon. They haven't updated the albums available since last month, and when I contacted them about this they said that they have no plans to add anything more for the foreseeable future.

7Digital isn’t selling new music anymore? :(


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 10, 2018, 01:03:51 PM
Alan Boyd and Mark Linett rule!

+1


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Justin on December 10, 2018, 02:26:25 PM
I haven’t read through the whole thread so I don’t know if anyone else has said it but man, Dennis’s vocal on “All I Want to Do” is far superior to Mike.  Should have put this version on the original album! https://youtu.be/5OK0rEvqHDQ

I'm curious to know the reasoning why Mike was chosen as the lead vocalist over the original Dennis vocal.  Mike's is sorta interesting, unlike anything else he's ever done, but objectively I just don't think it's as strong as Denny's, and I wonder if Denny just didn't have the self confidence to release that type of vocal for himself at that point, or what the reason was.



Well, actually Dennis is struggling to get this song right. Mike's voice (or technique) in that range is much fuller and strong, so I can see why he got the lead on that. While I like Dennis', it is certainly not as direct and in-your-face as Mike's.

I'd been meaning to say something like this as well Rocker. While I think having a Dennis lead on "All I Want To Do" is freaking awesome, it has made me re-investigate the song, and I have to say that Mike Love is the right singer for it. I think if one is able to try to forget its that litigious, money grubbing goofball you realize that his voice really cuts through on this cut in a way Dennis' voice didn't. It'd be like having a breathy Carl lead on "Heroes and Villains" rather than Brian's lead in my opinion. It just wouldn't work. Or at the least it'd be really different.

Agree with you both.  Fascinating to hear the new Dennis lead vocal.  His vocal sits very nicely on it--the feel and weight of his voice--everything clicks together.  But does it have the full punch this song needs?  Mike brings a palpable kinetic energy that I think locks in the song.  Had the key been lowered a step or so maybe some of those high notes would have worked better for Mike.  I do like Mike's "babaayy!" on the choruses. 

I'm glad I have both versions now and I'm sure I'll now always think about "the other cool version" whenever I'm listening to either one of them.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: c-man on December 10, 2018, 03:09:19 PM
C-man tried asking this earlier, but does anyone know when the vocals were done at 5:47 on Been Way Too Long Sessions? They always sounded strange to me. Is it possible that they were done in 1980?

Nope...I'm told that entire section is from one of the 1968 1" reels.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 10, 2018, 04:37:40 PM
On those lines...any info on the 1980 version? Was it attempted or was it just rumored?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: All Summer Long on December 10, 2018, 05:01:21 PM
I haven’t read through the whole thread so I don’t know if anyone else has said it but man, Dennis’s vocal on “All I Want to Do” is far superior to Mike.  Should have put this version on the original album! https://youtu.be/5OK0rEvqHDQ

I'm curious to know the reasoning why Mike was chosen as the lead vocalist over the original Dennis vocal.  Mike's is sorta interesting, unlike anything else he's ever done, but objectively I just don't think it's as strong as Denny's, and I wonder if Denny just didn't have the self confidence to release that type of vocal for himself at that point, or what the reason was.
On the newly released take 2 with Dennis singing, there is actually a part from Mike that ended up on the released version, so I wonder if Mike was always going to be featured on the song somehow.

It's funny you say that because I swore I heard Mike after listening to it a few times, and I thought if I mentioned it here I would be told I was going crazy


Title: Re: 'I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions' is OUT NOW!
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on December 10, 2018, 05:03:04 PM
I went to the I to the I Tunes store and found 'I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions' is OUT NOW!  I was shocked
My question is will this be out on CD ?  Or just streaming  ??? :thewilsons
Thank you, Billy, to combine Surfer's thread with this, main CE thread. To answer Surfer's question, it's digital download. At page 11 read instructions to do it.

Sth. to say about the press talk up et al - let's not make big deal. If the sessions didn't get announcement, it definitely isn't end of the world. Just take for granted that fact & enjoy listening to BBs' new collections.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 10, 2018, 05:45:24 PM
On those lines...any info on the 1980 version? Was it attempted or was it just rumored?

Definitely attempted (I have the AFM sheet). But there was an just instrumental track, no vocals, recorded immediately after the KTSA sessions. However, it may or may not have actually been intended for The Beach Boys. It could possibly have been done for The Captain and Tennille, as it was recorded at Rumbo by their engineer at the time.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 10, 2018, 05:46:48 PM
On those lines...any info on the 1980 version? Was it attempted or was it just rumored?

Definitely attempted (I have the AFM sheet). But there was an just instrumental track, no vocals, recorded immediately after the KTSA sessions. However, it may or may not have actually been intended for The Beach Boys. It could possibly have been done for The Captain and Tennille, as it was recorded at Rumbo by their engineer at the time.

Thanks!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: superunison on December 10, 2018, 06:29:06 PM
On those lines...any info on the 1980 version? Was it attempted or was it just rumored?

Definitely attempted (I have the AFM sheet). But there was an just instrumental track, no vocals, recorded immediately after the KTSA sessions. However, it may or may not have actually been intended for The Beach Boys. It could possibly have been done for The Captain and Tennille, as it was recorded at Rumbo by their engineer at the time.

Wow thanks for that info! Been curious about that forever!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: TV Forces on December 10, 2018, 06:38:02 PM
Also they're not going to appear on 7Digital anytime soon. They haven't updated the albums available since last month, and when I contacted them about this they said that they have no plans to add anything more for the foreseeable future.

They are up at 7Digital now


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Ram4 on December 10, 2018, 07:38:06 PM
I'm blown away by the alternate "Bluebirds Over the Mountain"! It's sounds like a brand new song. Not sure that it would have performed any better as a single at the time, but I definitely prefer this version, by far.

My girlfriend is not usually a fan of the BB (though she loves Good Vibrations and Vega-tables among others), so much to my surprise I was just listening to the alternate Bluebirds Over The Mountain and she came in the room when it finished asking what song was that?  When I told her she was really surprised that it was The Beach Boys!  Pretty cool!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 10, 2018, 07:48:57 PM
Did anyone else shed a tear listening to Audree singing "Is It True What They Say About Dixie?" I sure did.

What a sweet and truly lovely gift that Alan, Mark, and the powers that be gave us here. Thank you sincerely.

Speechless. :bw


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: MaestroDavros on December 10, 2018, 08:16:12 PM
Also they're not going to appear on 7Digital anytime soon. They haven't updated the albums available since last month, and when I contacted them about this they said that they have no plans to add anything more for the foreseeable future.

They are up at 7Digital now
Must have added them after I complained. Thanks for the info!  ;D


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: TV Forces on December 10, 2018, 08:24:27 PM
Also they're not going to appear on 7Digital anytime soon. They haven't updated the albums available since last month, and when I contacted them about this they said that they have no plans to add anything more for the foreseeable future.

They are up at 7Digital now
Must have added them after I complained. Thanks for the info!  ;D

thank you for complaining!  kicked them in the butt.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Ebb and Flow on December 11, 2018, 12:32:22 AM
If anyone was curious about the evolution of Even Steven to Busy Doin' Nothin'...
Brian used the same backing track with some modifications.  Part of the outro was spliced and used as the intro, some of the instrumentation was taken out of the mix, and everything was slowed down by around 8% (a bit more than a semitone).  The vocal for BDN must have been recorded over this new edited backing track, as the vocals on that do not appear to be slowed down.  Here is my approximation of the edits to Even Steven, ignore the slowed down vocals.

https://soundcloud.com/smileyhoneyfriends-1/even-steven


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 11, 2018, 05:34:59 AM
If anyone was curious about the evolution of Even Steven to Busy Doin' Nothin'...
Brian used the same backing track with some modifications.  Part of the outro was spliced and used as the intro, some of the instrumentation was taken out of the mix, and everything was slowed down by around 8% (a bit more than a semitone).  The vocal for BDN must have been recorded over this new edited backing track, as the vocals on that do not appear to be slowed down.  Here is my approximation of the edits to Even Steven, ignore the slowed down vocals.

https://soundcloud.com/smileyhoneyfriends-1/even-steven

He also completely re-recorded the "B" section ("Take all the time you need", etc.), at a slower speed, and edited that in.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on December 11, 2018, 08:43:17 AM
Also they're not going to appear on 7Digital anytime soon. They haven't updated the albums available since last month, and when I contacted them about this they said that they have no plans to add anything more for the foreseeable future.

They are up at 7Digital now

Rookie question I'm sure, but I see there are two options: MP3 files and FLAC files. I know I can bring MP3s into ITunes very easily.
How do you listen to FLAC files? Do you need to convert them or something?



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: TV Forces on December 11, 2018, 01:06:44 PM
Also they're not going to appear on 7Digital anytime soon. They haven't updated the albums available since last month, and when I contacted them about this they said that they have no plans to add anything more for the foreseeable future.

They are up at 7Digital now

Rookie question I'm sure, but I see there are two options: MP3 files and FLAC files. I know I can bring MP3s into ITunes very easily.
How do you listen to FLAC files? Do you need to convert them or something?


Depends on what you are using to listen to them with.  If you're playing them on a phone, then it doesn't matter what they sound like, so mp3 is for you.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: B.E. on December 11, 2018, 01:54:14 PM
Sorry, probably posted already, but who is playing drums on "Be Here In The Morning Darling"? Fantastic!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: bossaroo on December 11, 2018, 03:08:40 PM
I was also wondering where we might find personnel info for these sessions


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 11, 2018, 05:34:53 PM
Sorry, probably posted already, but who is playing drums on "Be Here In The Morning Darling"? Fantastic!

Jimmy Gordon.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: rab2591 on December 11, 2018, 06:01:28 PM
Sorry, probably posted already, but who is playing drums on "Be Here In The Morning Darling"? Fantastic!

I love the 'Let's Go Away For A While' vibe of this track! And yeah, the drums are fantastic, thanks for the info C-Man!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Rebel on December 11, 2018, 08:29:58 PM
So... Our New Home is similar to workshop from Smile. Haven’t seen anyone say that or did I miss it?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Wata on December 11, 2018, 10:24:08 PM
Sorry, probably posted already, but who is playing drums on "Be Here In The Morning Darling"? Fantastic!

I love the 'Let's Go Away For A While' vibe of this track! And yeah, the drums are fantastic, thanks for the info C-Man!
I was rather reminded of the instrumental "Pet Sounds", but anyway, this track is so fantastic.

I'd go as far as to say this is the greatest revelation in BB archival releases since Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again  8)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Shane on December 12, 2018, 01:01:13 AM
My (windows 10) computer can play flac files just as they are.  But to burn them to CD (or for anything that uses .wav files) you'll need a converter.  I use one called "traders little helper" that is, I believe, free.  The files from 7digital are zipped files, so you'll need to unzip them before you do anything.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: William Bowe on December 12, 2018, 01:14:50 AM
Man, these releases are so good. I went into them not expecting all that much - I found Sunshine Tomorrow to be rather thin gruel, sorry to say. But these two are packed with very pleasant surprises. So while I'd take Smiley Smile and Wild Honey most days over Friends and 20/20, I'll take the latter's outtake collections over the former's.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on December 12, 2018, 04:38:45 AM
Now that we have eight minutes of Been Way To Long outtakes, do we now have all of the existing sessions for the song? Or is there anything still in the vault? I've been really into this song in the last few days. Actually, I've loved the song ever since I heard it on the Smiley Smile/Wild Honey twofer. But the recent two years of releases have really driven home the fact that to me, it's one of Brian and the group's greatest productions, even in fragmented form.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 12, 2018, 05:35:03 AM
Love how a smile outtake ends the set as a hint to friends’ origins.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on December 12, 2018, 07:26:21 AM
Quote
listening to Audree singing "Is It True What They Say About Dixie
Sweet. Then 3 songs that piqued the interest will be "The gong", "Passing by" w/ lyric & "Is It...". HM: "Be...".


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Needleinthehay on December 12, 2018, 02:11:20 PM
One thing I'm stuck by this set is you forget just how prolific they were at this time. All these outakes, plus 2 albums, plus they played ~100 shows.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Vale on December 13, 2018, 06:56:53 AM
This has just appeared in some regions:

The Beach Boys On Tour: 1968 (Live)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: mustomax on December 13, 2018, 07:00:50 AM
This has just appeared in some regions:

The Beach Boys On Tour: 1968 (Live)

Details?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Wata on December 13, 2018, 07:05:26 AM
Here is the Spotify link: https://open.spotify.com/album/735pCVxLq95jxO16eFP2qL?si=PQ8Nn_BKRIqd276rMBB89Q (https://open.spotify.com/album/735pCVxLq95jxO16eFP2qL?si=PQ8Nn_BKRIqd276rMBB89Q)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: mustomax on December 13, 2018, 07:10:01 AM
Here is the Spotify link: https://open.spotify.com/album/735pCVxLq95jxO16eFP2qL?si=PQ8Nn_BKRIqd276rMBB89Q (https://open.spotify.com/album/735pCVxLq95jxO16eFP2qL?si=PQ8Nn_BKRIqd276rMBB89Q)

Thanks. I can only see 30 songs now... but it's cool...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Vale on December 13, 2018, 07:14:00 AM
The Beach Boys On Tour: 1968 (Live)
114 Tracks

1   Darlin' (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968 / Incomplete)
2   Help Me, Rhonda (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
3   California Girls (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
4   Sloop John B (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
5   Surfer Girl (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
6   Friends (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
7   Little Bird (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
8   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
9   Medely: Surfin' Safari/Fun Fun Fun/Shut Down/Little Deuce Coupe/Surfin' USA (Live In Chicago,...
10   Do It Again (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
11   Wake The World (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
12   God Only Knows (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
13   Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
14   Good Vibrations (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
15   Barbara Ann (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
16   Band Instrumental (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
17   Help Me, Rhonda (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
18   California Girls (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
19   Sloop John B (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
20   Surfer Girl (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
21   Friends (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
22   Little Bird (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
23   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
24   Medley: Surfin' Safari/Fun Fun Fun/Shut Down/Little Deuce Coupe/Surfin' USA (Live In Fargo, ND,...
25   Do It Again (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
26   Wake The World (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
27   Band Instrumental (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
28   Their Hearts Were Full Of Springs (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
29   God Only Knows (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
30   Good Vibrations (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
31   Barbara Ann (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
32   Johnny B Goode (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
33   Darlin' (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968 / Incomplete)
34   Help Me, Rhonda (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
35   California Girls (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
36   Sloop John B (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
37   Surfer Girl (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
38   Friends (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
39   Little Bird (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
40   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
41   Medley: Surfin' Safari/Fun Fun Fun/Shut Down/Little Deuce Coupe/Surfin' USA (Live In Waterloo,...
42   Do It Again (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
43   Wake The World (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
44   God Only Knows (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
45   Band Instrumental (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
46   Good Vibrations (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
47   Barbara Ann (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
48   Johnny B Goode (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
49   Darlin' (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968 / Incomplete)
50   Help Me, Rhonda (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
51   California Girls (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
52   Sloop John B (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
53   Surfer Girl (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
54   Friends (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
55   Little Bird (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
56   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
57   Medley: Surfin' Safari/Fun Fun Fun/Shut Down/Little Deuce Coupe/Surfin' USA (Live In Lincoln,...
58   Do It Again (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
59   Wake The World (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
60   God Only Knows (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
61   Their Hearts Were Full Of Springs (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
62   Good Vibrations (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
63   Barbara Ann (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
64   Johnny B Goode (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
65   California Girls (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
66   Sloops John B (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
67   Surfer Girl (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
68   Friends (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
69   Little Bird (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
70   Medley: Surfin' Safari/Fun Fun Fun/Shut Down/Little Deuce Coupe/Surfin' USA (Live In Phoenix,...
71   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
72   Do It Again (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
73   Wake The World (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
74   God Only Knows (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
75   Good Vibrations (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
76   I Get Around (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
77   Barbara Ann (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
78   Johnny B Goode (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
79   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
80   Darlin' (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
81   Sloop John B (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
82   California Girls (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
83   Do It Again (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
84   Wake The World (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
85   Bluebirds Over The Mountain (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
86   God Only Knows (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
87   Good Vibrations (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
88   Barbara Ann (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
89   All I Want To Do (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
90   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
91   Darlin' (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
92   Sloop John B (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
93   California Girls (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
94   Do It Again (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
95   Wake The World (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
96   Bluebirds Over The Mountain (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
97   God Only Knows (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
98   Good Vibrations (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
99   Barbara Ann (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
100   All I Want To Do (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
101   God Only Knows (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / Soundcheck)
102   Good Vibrations (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / Soundcheck)
103   Darlin' (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
104   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
105   Sloop John B (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
106   California Girls (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
107   Do It Again (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
108   Wake The World (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
109   Aren't You Glad (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
110   Bluebirds Over The Mountain (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
111   Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
112   Good Vibrations (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
113   God Only Knows (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
114   Barbara Ann (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: mustomax on December 13, 2018, 07:18:10 AM
The Beach Boys On Tour: 1968 (Live)
114 Tracks

1   Darlin' (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968 / Incomplete)
2   Help Me, Rhonda (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
3   California Girls (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
4   Sloop John B (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
5   Surfer Girl (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
6   Friends (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
7   Little Bird (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
8   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
9   Medely: Surfin' Safari/Fun Fun Fun/Shut Down/Little Deuce Coupe/Surfin' USA (Live In Chicago,...
10   Do It Again (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
11   Wake The World (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
12   God Only Knows (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
13   Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
14   Good Vibrations (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
15   Barbara Ann (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
16   Band Instrumental (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)
17   Help Me, Rhonda (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
18   California Girls (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
19   Sloop John B (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
20   Surfer Girl (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
21   Friends (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
22   Little Bird (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
23   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
24   Medley: Surfin' Safari/Fun Fun Fun/Shut Down/Little Deuce Coupe/Surfin' USA (Live In Fargo, ND,...
25   Do It Again (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
26   Wake The World (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
27   Band Instrumental (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
28   Their Hearts Were Full Of Springs (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
29   God Only Knows (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
30   Good Vibrations (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
31   Barbara Ann (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
32   Johnny B Goode (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
33   Darlin' (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968 / Incomplete)
34   Help Me, Rhonda (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
35   California Girls (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
36   Sloop John B (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
37   Surfer Girl (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
38   Friends (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
39   Little Bird (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
40   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
41   Medley: Surfin' Safari/Fun Fun Fun/Shut Down/Little Deuce Coupe/Surfin' USA (Live In Waterloo,...
42   Do It Again (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
43   Wake The World (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
44   God Only Knows (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
45   Band Instrumental (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
46   Good Vibrations (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
47   Barbara Ann (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
48   Johnny B Goode (Live In Waterloo, Iowa, 1968)
49   Darlin' (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968 / Incomplete)
50   Help Me, Rhonda (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
51   California Girls (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
52   Sloop John B (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
53   Surfer Girl (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
54   Friends (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
55   Little Bird (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
56   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
57   Medley: Surfin' Safari/Fun Fun Fun/Shut Down/Little Deuce Coupe/Surfin' USA (Live In Lincoln,...
58   Do It Again (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
59   Wake The World (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
60   God Only Knows (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
61   Their Hearts Were Full Of Springs (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
62   Good Vibrations (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
63   Barbara Ann (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
64   Johnny B Goode (Live In Lincoln, NE, 1968)
65   California Girls (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
66   Sloops John B (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
67   Surfer Girl (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
68   Friends (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
69   Little Bird (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
70   Medley: Surfin' Safari/Fun Fun Fun/Shut Down/Little Deuce Coupe/Surfin' USA (Live In Phoenix,...
71   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
72   Do It Again (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
73   Wake The World (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
74   God Only Knows (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
75   Good Vibrations (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
76   I Get Around (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
77   Barbara Ann (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
78   Johnny B Goode (Live In Phoenix, AZ, 1968)
79   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
80   Darlin' (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
81   Sloop John B (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
82   California Girls (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
83   Do It Again (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
84   Wake The World (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
85   Bluebirds Over The Mountain (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
86   God Only Knows (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
87   Good Vibrations (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
88   Barbara Ann (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
89   All I Want To Do (Live In The London Palladium, 1968 / First Show)
90   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
91   Darlin' (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
92   Sloop John B (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
93   California Girls (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
94   Do It Again (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
95   Wake The World (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
96   Bluebirds Over The Mountain (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
97   God Only Knows (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
98   Good Vibrations (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
99   Barbara Ann (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
100   All I Want To Do (Live At The London Palladium, 1968 / Second Show)
101   God Only Knows (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / Soundcheck)
102   Good Vibrations (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / Soundcheck)
103   Darlin' (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
104   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
105   Sloop John B (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
106   California Girls (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
107   Do It Again (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
108   Wake The World (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
109   Aren't You Glad (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
110   Bluebirds Over The Mountain (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
111   Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
112   Good Vibrations (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
113   God Only Knows (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)
114   Barbara Ann (Live At Finsbury Park Astoria, London, 1968 / First Show)

Thanks... so cool




Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 13, 2018, 07:20:13 AM
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Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: William Bowe on December 13, 2018, 08:16:23 AM
Eight new recordings of Barbara Ann! I've died and gone to heaven.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: rab2591 on December 13, 2018, 08:41:47 AM
Ahhh this looks amazing! 'Friends' and 'Little Bird' (Chicago) were on the MiC set and they sounded really good, I can't wait to hear what other gems are in this set.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: TV Forces on December 13, 2018, 09:05:33 AM
We are a very lucky fanbase!    :police:


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on December 13, 2018, 09:36:42 AM
Any chance of a Stack o Tracks remix to come out?   :lol


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Shady on December 13, 2018, 09:42:35 AM
Nice tracklist but what an awful album cover


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 13, 2018, 10:49:47 AM
Nice tracklist but what an awful album cover
That image is the cover of the 1968 UK Tour Program.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on December 13, 2018, 10:52:19 AM
16   Band Instrumental (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)

Anybody know what this instrumental might be?

28   Their Hearts Were Full Of Springs (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)

BOOOIIIIINNNNNGGGG!

 :tm


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on December 13, 2018, 10:56:16 AM
Wow!



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jim V. on December 13, 2018, 11:02:15 AM
Game changer!

Nah. Just kidding. This kinda thing doesn't particularly interest me, but once again what a gift for those who want it. Alan Boyd and Mark Linett and others involved are wonderful, wonderful people for making this happen.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on December 13, 2018, 11:20:31 AM
I can't thank Alan and Mark enough for these releases, but I'll  try:

THANK YOU VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH!!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 13, 2018, 11:21:32 AM
The band did surprisingly really tight readings of "Little Bird" and "Friends" on the 1968 tour.

I'm 100% behind these "dumps" of all the soundboard stuff they have for each of these years.

Now, I think as we continue on to subsequent years, the "Live" set components will get even more interesting of course. I'm still hoping they do something larger-scale with the archives sooner so it doesn't take until the BBs are nearing 90 YEARS OLD to get to "Light Album" or "KTSA" outtakes, etc.

But it'll be interesting to see how live stuff continues to be presented once we hit years in the 70s where there are too many soundboard/multi-tracked live shows to put it *all* out in one big lump.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 13, 2018, 11:24:08 AM
Nice tracklist but what an awful album cover
That image is the cover of the 1968 UK Tour Program.

Jon - side question: it's very cool that we're getting multiple live versions of Little Bird... Do you know if Be Still or Be With Me were ever performed live? Same with Never Learn Not to Love (other than the Mike Douglas TV show version)?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 13, 2018, 11:31:27 AM
Nice tracklist but what an awful album cover
That image is the cover of the 1968 UK Tour Program.

Jon - side question: it's very cool that we're getting multiple live versions of Little Bird... Do you know if Be Still or Be With Me were ever performed live? Same with Never Learn Not to Love (other than the Mike Douglas TV show version)?

While my recollection of rare live setlist selections is a little rusty, I don't believe any of those tracks were ever performed live outside of the Mike Douglas TV show where they sang over the pre-recorded backing track.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 13, 2018, 11:39:19 AM
A quick perusal of the not-always-100%-reliable setlist.fm shows only a few strange 1968 setlist inclusions, mostly or all presumably from shows from which no recordings exist/survive. Note that several of these selections are not full performances but rather quick riffs/teases/partial versions.

Goober Peas - Memphis 4/24
Papa Oom Mow Mow - Memphis 4/24
Transcendental Meditation - New Rochelle, NY 5/4
409 - San Diego 7/17
Pushin' Too Hard - Fillmore East, 10/11
Vegetables - Fillmore East, 10/11
Heroes and Villains - Fillmore East, 10/11
Graduation Day - Several Shows


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 13, 2018, 11:51:33 AM
Nice tracklist but what an awful album cover
That image is the cover of the 1968 UK Tour Program.

Jon - side question: it's very cool that we're getting multiple live versions of Little Bird... Do you know if Be Still or Be With Me were ever performed live? Same with Never Learn Not to Love (other than the Mike Douglas TV show version)?

While my recollection of rare live setlist selections is a little rusty, I don't believe any of those tracks were ever performed live outside of the Mike Douglas TV show where they sang over the pre-recorded backing track.
My recollection is the same as yours.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on December 13, 2018, 12:14:59 PM
There used to be a very brief clip on YouTube of the group singing "Friends" a capella, from what looked like a tv show. All I really remember is that the quality was horrible.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on December 13, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
A quick perusal of the not-always-100%-reliable setlist.fm shows only a few strange 1968 setlist inclusions, mostly or all presumably from shows from which no recordings exist/survive. [...]

Goober Peas - Memphis 4/24
Papa Oom Mow Mow - Memphis 4/24

Yes, they did play those two -- I was there. Because it was at the end of a particularly difficult tour, they were a bit more relaxed.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: DonnyL on December 13, 2018, 12:47:18 PM
A quick perusal of the not-always-100%-reliable setlist.fm shows only a few strange 1968 setlist inclusions, mostly or all presumably from shows from which no recordings exist/survive. Note that several of these selections are not full performances but rather quick riffs/teases/partial versions.

Goober Peas - Memphis 4/24
Papa Oom Mow Mow - Memphis 4/24
Transcendental Meditation - New Rochelle, NY 5/4
409 - San Diego 7/17
Pushin' Too Hard - Fillmore East, 10/11
Vegetables - Fillmore East, 10/11
Heroes and Villains - Fillmore East, 10/11
Graduation Day - Several Shows

The Beach Boys played "Pushin Too Hard"?!?

Sky Saxon was a friend of mine ... we made a recording together once in my little studio, and I had a poster of The Beach Boys (from the '68 tour book actually) on the wall. During this impromptu session, Sky started singing about "Good Vibrations", I always thought that was cool but we never talked about the BB. Cool to see the group liked the Seeds enough to cover them, as I believe there was some mutual admiration there.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 13, 2018, 01:09:13 PM
Sorry, probably posted already, but who is playing drums on "Be Here In The Morning Darling"? Fantastic!

There were parts that sounded almost like an edm beat only with real drums !

Loving this set!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: king of anglia on December 13, 2018, 01:51:39 PM
I hope to god this stuff keeps going until at least 2023.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: thetojo on December 13, 2018, 02:10:20 PM

16   Band Instrumental (Live In Chicago, IL, 1968)

Anybody know what this instrumental might be?



It's a short number by the Horn section while Mike leaves the stage to adjust his hair! (Lost my head!)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Wata on December 13, 2018, 03:58:40 PM
I hope to god this stuff keeps going until at least 2023.
Unless the EU copyright law changes or Capitol's interest in keeping their copyright on BB stuff disappears, I'm pretty sure it will keep going until there's nothing left.

Let's hope they'll be keeping putting these wonderful sets out  8)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on December 13, 2018, 04:33:51 PM
I'm pretty bummed out that the live set isn't on Spotify. If any kind soul could help me hear some of it, I would be very grateful.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Wata on December 13, 2018, 04:44:53 PM
I'm pretty bummed out that the live set isn't on Spotify. If any kind soul could help me hear some of it, I would be very grateful.
What region do you live in? It should be available when it's Dec 14 12:00 a.m. in your region.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on December 13, 2018, 04:54:44 PM
28   Their Hearts Were Full Of Springs (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
BOOOIIIIINNNNNGGGG!
What's it mean? Is it slang?

Jon - side question: Do you know if Be Still or Be With Me were ever performed live?
BS wouldn't work live AT ALL. It's dullfest, spectators would boo. BWM without lush arr. wouldn't be too cool. I'm glad BBs didn't play them.

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Goober Peas
Whose song it's? Is it even cool song?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on December 13, 2018, 05:02:23 PM
I'm pretty bummed out that the live set isn't on Spotify. If any kind soul could help me hear some of it, I would be very grateful.
What region do you live in? It should be available when it's Dec 14 12:00 a.m. in your region.
US.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Wata on December 13, 2018, 05:07:39 PM
I'm pretty bummed out that the live set isn't on Spotify. If any kind soul could help me hear some of it, I would be very grateful.
What region do you live in? It should be available when it's Dec 14 12:00 a.m. in your region.
US.
Then it should be out in 4-7 hours  :)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on December 13, 2018, 05:09:19 PM
I'm pretty bummed out that the live set isn't on Spotify. If any kind soul could help me hear some of it, I would be very grateful.
What region do you live in? It should be available when it's Dec 14 12:00 a.m. in your region.
US.
Then it should be out in 4-7 hours  :)
Cool, thanks for that info.  8)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on December 13, 2018, 05:20:28 PM
28   Their Hearts Were Full Of Springs (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
BOOOIIIIINNNNNGGGG!
What's it mean? Is it slang?

It's an attempt to make an onomatopeaia (or sound effect) for hearts full of springs.

Quote
Quote
Goober Peas
Whose song it's? Is it even cool song?

"Goober Peas" is an old folk song from the American South. Goober peas is slang for boiled peanuts. The BBs played a verse of the song as a joke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goober_Peas


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 13, 2018, 07:09:00 PM
28   Their Hearts Were Full Of Springs (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
BOOOIIIIINNNNNGGGG!
What's it mean? Is it slang?

It's an attempt to make an onomatopeaia (or sound effect) for hearts full of springs.
 


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Sloop John Beavis & Diamond ButtHead


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on December 13, 2018, 07:54:45 PM
Vaguely remember hearing "Goober Peas" in a school music class back in the 60s.
The refrain was something like: "Peas, peas, peas, peas, eating goober peas. Goodness how delicious, eating goober peas."
 Haven't heard that song in over 50 years.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on December 13, 2018, 10:14:17 PM
The new live set is up on Spotify.  ;D It's really interesting to hear them recreate the sound effect on the intro to Do It Again.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 13, 2018, 11:13:07 PM
The new live set is up on Spotify.  ;D It's really interesting to hear them recreate the sound effect on the intro to Do It Again.

Totally. Would love to hear Stephen Desper talk about how that was done for live shows. I'm assuming it was just duplicating the studio trickery in a live method on the fly on the mixing board?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 13, 2018, 11:28:08 PM
28   Their Hearts Were Full Of Springs (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
BOOOIIIIINNNNNGGGG!
What's it mean? Is it slang?

It's an attempt to make an onomatopeaia (or sound effect) for hearts full of springs.
 


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Sloop John Beavis & Diamond ButtHead

That explains the opening to Little Pad


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 13, 2018, 11:33:27 PM
Friends (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)

At 1:48 somebody in the band (who??) becomes the honorary BBs moyle, ad libbing "snip, snip, snip" :lol


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Cabinessenceking on December 13, 2018, 11:50:16 PM
Hopefully these live recordings are good. The Lei'd shows and Wild Honey tour felt a little flat, despite a strong set list. We're in for a treat if all the 1968 shows have the quality of Friends and Little Bird from MiC.

That is if the recordings are audible under Mike's incessant talking and ego. As one guy put it well back then, "shut up".

edit: they are really good, especially the later shows. I think making Mike shut up would've been the best on-stage decision they never made.

In hindsight it's easy to understand why this era represented a sort of low-point. Their music, while very beautiful, had a very low commercial appeal (exempting Do It Again and possibly I Can Hear Music), they wore those awful white polyester suits while performing and the few who actually went to their shows had to endure Mike Love. Even Bruce had an insufferable sense of humour. I can't imagine what was going through the audience's minds when at last the Maharishi came on to deliver his 30 minute sermon to close the show....


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: lance on December 14, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Not available for purchase in my country.  :-\ Oh well, I can spend that money on the McCartney box, I guess.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ReggieDunbar on December 14, 2018, 01:52:12 AM
Which songs are Dennis playing drums and which are Kowalski?

So many questions!



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Rocker on December 14, 2018, 04:11:47 AM
The new live set is up on Spotify.  ;D It's really interesting to hear them recreate the sound effect on the intro to Do It Again.

Totally. Would love to hear Stephen Desper talk about how that was done for live shows. I'm assuming it was just duplicating the studio trickery in a live method on the fly on the mixing board?


IIRC Stephen Desper has talked about that on this messageboard. Maybe you'll find it with the search function. It was connected to this show in France in '69: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHdi3zW78pg


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Christian on December 14, 2018, 06:20:22 AM
Great memory, Rocker!


Do It Again

Michael talks longer than normal (prearranged) giving me extra time to set up for drum effect.

Note use of Phillips unit to produce Drum effect LIVE and Dennis love’s it

In second verse effect backs off to regular drum sound

Missed Mike cue while dealing with Phillips unit for next effect

Piano brought up to push beat along with organ



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 14, 2018, 06:55:32 AM
Hopefully these live recordings are good. The Lei'd shows and Wild Honey tour felt a little flat, despite a strong set list. We're in for a treat if all the 1968 shows have the quality of Friends and Little Bird from MiC.

That is if the recordings are audible under Mike's incessant talking and ego. As one guy put it well back then, "shut up".

edit: they are really good, especially the later shows. I think making Mike shut up would've been the best on-stage decision they never made.

In hindsight it's easy to understand why this era represented a sort of low-point. Their music, while very beautiful, had a very low commercial appeal (exempting Do It Again and possibly I Can Hear Music), they wore those awful white polyester suits while performing and the few who actually went to their shows had to endure Mike Love. Even Bruce had an insufferable sense of humour. I can't imagine what was going through the audience's minds when at last the Maharishi came on to deliver his 30 minute sermon to close the show....

Hmmm, I think the Maharishi came on first, followed by The Beach Boys...David Leaf quoted one of the guys as saying the Maharishi was trying to lecture, while the crowd was crying out for The Beach Boys.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 14, 2018, 07:09:20 AM
Which songs are Dennis playing drums and which are Kowalski?

So many questions!



First off, I'm not sure Kowalski was on the July summer '68 tour - I have an interview where he said that he and Ed Carter joined at the same time, and one of the first places they played was the Steel Pier in Atlantic City, which would make it the August '68 tour. Dennis Dragon once told me that he was on the Maharishi tour, and I think there's a chance that John Guerin may have been on the July tour (which makes sense musically, since they utilized a "big band" - meaning, jazz/swing-style - for that tour, and Guerin had a strong jazz background). Regardless, I tend to think that whoever the percussionist/auxiliary drummer was, he likely drummed only on the two songs for which Dennis was stagefront, those being "Friends" and "Little Bird". Now, on the December '68 U.K. tour, Kowalski was definitely on board, but I'm not sure he had to play the actual drums on anything - Denny had no leads at those shows, so the only possibility in my mind would be if Denny was playing the piano on "All I Want To Do", then obviously Kowalski would have to drum - but I'm not convinced that's the case, and in fact I think it more likely that Dennis just played the drums and Daryl the piano on that song live, like they did for most of the show. Have you ever seen the video of their June '69 Paris show? (it's on YouTube) At that one, Dennis plays the drums throughout the whole set (again, he had no vocal leads), and whoever the percussionist was, he stuck to percussion.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on December 14, 2018, 08:38:56 AM
Hopefully these live recordings are good. The Lei'd shows and Wild Honey tour felt a little flat, despite a strong set list. We're in for a treat if all the 1968 shows have the quality of Friends and Little Bird from MiC.

That is if the recordings are audible under Mike's incessant talking and ego. As one guy put it well back then, "shut up".

edit: they are really good, especially the later shows. I think making Mike shut up would've been the best on-stage decision they never made.

In hindsight it's easy to understand why this era represented a sort of low-point. Their music, while very beautiful, had a very low commercial appeal (exempting Do It Again and possibly I Can Hear Music), they wore those awful white polyester suits while performing and the few who actually went to their shows had to endure Mike Love. Even Bruce had an insufferable sense of humour. I can't imagine what was going through the audience's minds when at last the Maharishi came on to deliver his 30 minute sermon to close the show....

I was there and yes, it was downright awful. While the band was good, Mike conducted his own "sermonettes" between most songs, which no one in the audience cared about. Is there a syndrome in which one is obsessed with spewing one's thoughts and fondness for hearings one's voice? I remember the Maharishi arriving which became one of the biggest pee breaks I've ever seen at a show.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 14, 2018, 08:46:28 AM
OSD history lesson! ;D


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on December 14, 2018, 08:50:16 AM
Which songs are Dennis playing drums and which are Kowalski?

So many questions!



First off, I'm not sure Kowalski was on the July summer '68 tour - I have an interview where he said that he and Ed Carter joined at the same time, and one of the first places they played was the Steel Pier in Atlantic City, which would make it the August '68 tour. Dennis Dragon once told me that he was on the Maharishi tour, and I think there's a chance that John Guerin may have been on the July tour (which makes sense musically, since they utilized a "big band" - meaning, jazz/swing-style - for that tour, and Guerin had a strong jazz background). Regardless, I tend to think that whoever the percussionist/auxiliary drummer was, he likely drummed on the two songs for which Dennis was stagefront, those being "Friends" and "Little Bird". Now, on the December '68 U.K. tour, Kowalski was definitely on board, but I'm not sure he had to play the actual drums on anything - Denny had no leads at those shows, so the only possibility in my mind would be if Denny was playing the piano on "All I Want To Do", then obviously Kowalski would have to drum - but I'm not convinced that's the case, and in fact I think it more likely that Dennis just played the drums and Daryl the piano on that song live, like they did for most of the show. Have you ever seen the video of their June '69 Paris show? (it's on YouTube) At that one, Dennis plays the drums throughout the whole set (again, he had no vocal leads), and whoever the percussionist was, he stuck to percussion.

I was at the Steel Pier show in 69. I was very close to the stage and man they were great. I seem to vaguely remember them having a few horns behind the band. For The BBs at the time, there was a good sized crowd. I also remember Carl being pissed that Dennis couldn't get the intro to Breakaway right on the first try.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 14, 2018, 09:58:06 AM
Hopefully these live recordings are good. The Lei'd shows and Wild Honey tour felt a little flat, despite a strong set list. We're in for a treat if all the 1968 shows have the quality of Friends and Little Bird from MiC.

That is if the recordings are audible under Mike's incessant talking and ego. As one guy put it well back then, "shut up".

edit: they are really good, especially the later shows. I think making Mike shut up would've been the best on-stage decision they never made.

In hindsight it's easy to understand why this era represented a sort of low-point. Their music, while very beautiful, had a very low commercial appeal (exempting Do It Again and possibly I Can Hear Music), they wore those awful white polyester suits while performing and the few who actually went to their shows had to endure Mike Love. Even Bruce had an insufferable sense of humour. I can't imagine what was going through the audience's minds when at last the Maharishi came on to deliver his 30 minute sermon to close the show....

I was there and yes, it was downright awful. While the band was good, Mike conducted his own "sermonettes" between most songs, which no one in the audience cared about. Is there a syndrome in which one is obsessed with spewing one's thoughts and fondness for hearings one's voice? I remember the Maharishi arriving which became one of the biggest pee breaks I've ever seen at a show.

The Maharishi tour was one of the most ill-conceived ideas the band ever had, and at least some people got to hear the band play versus the dates where the few who did show up at the venue found a mostly empty hall and the announcement the show was canceled.

Then you had Lennon and McCartney referencing it on the Tonight Show a few months later, which garnered one of the largest audiences for that show in the 60's, and it didn't bode well for the band who didn't need more bad press after two tours which were basically scotched as soon as they got started.

The shame is the music as usual was rock-solid if not transcendent, and they absolutely didn't need schtick and gimmicks like TM lectures and hundreds of flowers on stage and Mike's sermons to get the audiences into the music itself.

What a bizarre time for the band.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 14, 2018, 10:02:45 AM
Didn’t BW front a ton of his OWN money for it too? :-\


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 14, 2018, 10:33:47 AM


Then you had Lennon and McCartney referencing it on the Tonight Show a few months later, which garnered one of the largest audiences for that show in the 60's, and it didn't bode well for the band who didn't need more bad press after two tours which were basically scotched as soon as they got started.



I don't know the details on this... did John and Paul mock the BBs for doing the tour with the Maharishi when the subject of him came up?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 14, 2018, 10:36:33 AM


Then you had Lennon and McCartney referencing it on the Tonight Show a few months later, which garnered one of the largest audiences for that show in the 60's, and it didn't bode well for the band who didn't need more bad press after two tours which were basically scotched as soon as they got started.



I don't know the details on this... did John and Paul mock the BBs for doing the tour with the Maharishi when the subject of him came up?

Not outright mocking, but listen and judge for yourself: I posted the video on YouTube! Actually, audio with still photos since the actual video doesn't exist and only some home film clips of the appearance (what I call primitive kinescopes) exist. Here's the link:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKLX2DsltaE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKLX2DsltaE)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 14, 2018, 10:50:07 AM


Then you had Lennon and McCartney referencing it on the Tonight Show a few months later, which garnered one of the largest audiences for that show in the 60's, and it didn't bode well for the band who didn't need more bad press after two tours which were basically scotched as soon as they got started.



I don't know the details on this... did John and Paul mock the BBs for doing the tour with the Maharishi when the subject of him came up?

Not outright mocking, but listen and judge for yourself: I posted the video on YouTube! Actually, audio with still photos since the actual video doesn't exist and only some home film clips of the appearance (what I call primitive kinescopes) exist. Here's the link:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKLX2DsltaE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKLX2DsltaE)

Fascinating. Thanks, GF!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on December 14, 2018, 02:17:49 PM
Bought the new set on iTunes, organized it into a playlist for each concert, and have been listening. I'm loving the detail of the sound on this release. Might there be a remastered Live in London in our future? The first show from Finsbury Park Astoria sounds great!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: RiC on December 15, 2018, 09:55:22 AM
I'm sorry if this has already been discussed, but does anybody know why I'm Going Your Way (California Slide) wasn't a part of these releases? I think it's definitely a great song with even hit potential back in the days...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: RealBriefcase on December 15, 2018, 10:00:35 AM
I might be wrong, but I think I'm Going Your Way was from the sessions for Sunflower, not 20/20, so it will most likely be released next year.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Ian on December 15, 2018, 10:06:43 AM
Right the session for that song was in July 1969


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Needleinthehay on December 15, 2018, 11:28:53 AM
I had no idea John Guerin ever played with the beach boys. Just read about him in the Joni Mithchell biography that came out recently. The musicians she was using weren't getting what she wanted so someone suggested she get jazz musicians and she found him along with the LA Express (also Jaco Pastorious). Her and John were together for a few years and broke up mid-tour and the rest of the tour was cancelled. (sorry if slightly off topic)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 15, 2018, 12:17:41 PM
I had no idea John Guerin ever played with the beach boys. Just read about him in the Joni Mithchell biography that came out recently. The musicians she was using weren't getting what she wanted so someone suggested she get jazz musicians and she found him along with the LA Express (also Jaco Pastorious). Her and John were together for a few years and broke up mid-tour and the rest of the tour was cancelled. (sorry if slightly off topic)

He definitely did some sessions for them, starting with overdubs on "Do It Again", and I remember reading something somewhere that led me to believe he also toured with them, however briefly. If so, the summer '68 "big band" tour was the likely time.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on December 15, 2018, 02:29:14 PM
Has anyone seen a list of credits for the new live set -- and has anyone seen a press release for any of the three new sets?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: yrplace on December 15, 2018, 02:48:12 PM
THE BEACH BOYS 1968:
Brian Wilson, Carl Wilson, Dennis Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine & Bruce Johnston
Compilation and New Mixes Produced by Mark Linett & Alan Boyd Edited, Mixed and Mastered by Mark Linett at Your Place Or Mine
Executive Producers: Matt D’Amico & Peter Fletcher
Original Recordings Produced by The Beach Boys Engineer: Stephen Desper
Brother Records, Inc: Jerry Schilling, President Session Research: Craig Slowinski
Special Thanks: Howie Edelson; Elliot Kendall; Ross Schwartz; Mark Kaplan; Pacific Title Archives; Stephen Kalinich; Al Gomes, Connie Watrous & The Rhode Island BB Posse; Brad Rosenberger; Les Prebilsky; Lee Dempsey; Andrew G. Doe; Margaret Gwynne; Betty Collignon Wright; Lori Lightfoot; Steve Latshaw; Panayiotis Bogdanos; Les Chan; Monty & Bailey Linett; David Beard & Endless Summer Quarterly
* New songs (unpublished)
Brian Wilson - New Executive Music (BMI) Dennis Wilson - Dennis Wilson Music (ASCAP) Al Jardine - Al Jardine Music (BMI)
5


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: yrplace on December 15, 2018, 02:48:29 PM
THE BEACH BOYS 1968:
Brian Wilson, Carl Wilson, Dennis Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine & Bruce Johnston
Compilation and New Mixes Produced by Mark Linett & Alan Boyd Edited, Mixed and Mastered by Mark Linett at Your Place Or Mine
Executive Producers: Matt D’Amico & Peter Fletcher
Original Recordings Produced by The Beach Boys Engineer: Stephen Desper
Brother Records, Inc: Jerry Schilling, President Session Research: Craig Slowinski
Special Thanks: Howie Edelson; Elliot Kendall; Ross Schwartz; Mark Kaplan; Pacific Title Archives; Stephen Kalinich; Al Gomes, Connie Watrous & The Rhode Island BB Posse; Brad Rosenberger; Les Prebilsky; Lee Dempsey; Andrew G. Doe; Margaret Gwynne; Betty Collignon Wright; Lori Lightfoot; Steve Latshaw; Panayiotis Bogdanos; Les Chan; Monty & Bailey Linett; David Beard & Endless Summer Quarterly
* New songs (unpublished)
Brian Wilson - New Executive Music (BMI) Dennis Wilson - Dennis Wilson Music (ASCAP) Al Jardine - Al Jardine Music (BMI)
5


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on December 15, 2018, 04:55:07 PM
Thank you, Mark -- and thanks expecially for these packages! Does the live set have credits too? Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: mustomax on December 16, 2018, 09:27:54 AM
THE BEACH BOYS 1968:
Brian Wilson, Carl Wilson, Dennis Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine & Bruce Johnston
Compilation and New Mixes Produced by Mark Linett & Alan Boyd Edited, Mixed and Mastered by Mark Linett at Your Place Or Mine
Executive Producers: Matt D’Amico & Peter Fletcher
Original Recordings Produced by The Beach Boys Engineer: Stephen Desper
Brother Records, Inc: Jerry Schilling, President Session Research: Craig Slowinski
Special Thanks: Howie Edelson; Elliot Kendall; Ross Schwartz; Mark Kaplan; Pacific Title Archives; Stephen Kalinich; Al Gomes, Connie Watrous & The Rhode Island BB Posse; Brad Rosenberger; Les Prebilsky; Lee Dempsey; Andrew G. Doe; Margaret Gwynne; Betty Collignon Wright; Lori Lightfoot; Steve Latshaw; Panayiotis Bogdanos; Les Chan; Monty & Bailey Linett; David Beard & Endless Summer Quarterly
* New songs (unpublished)
Brian Wilson - New Executive Music (BMI) Dennis Wilson - Dennis Wilson Music (ASCAP) Al Jardine - Al Jardine Music (BMI)
5


Thanks for this... is there one for the "wake the world" cd?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on December 16, 2018, 11:49:19 AM
I think that one also applies to Wake the World.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: felipe on December 16, 2018, 05:07:17 PM
Question for Mark or anyone who knows: what happened to the background vocals in the accapella Time to Get Alone verses? I thought they existed in the multitracks, as they were present in the 2009's Summer Love Songs remix


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Banana on December 17, 2018, 09:33:24 AM
I'm really enjoying both the Friends and 20/20 releases. We're definitely very lucky to have such great archivists watching over the BB legacy and I can't wait to see what we get in 2019!

One thing I'm really gleaning from the Friends release is just how much Brian seems to have been involved. I know his input didn't just vanish and that it declined as the 60's became the 70's - but the snippets I'm hearing are of an engaged and enthusiastic Brian.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: yrplace on December 17, 2018, 11:20:13 AM
Please let me know if the Live 68 set is still not available overseas and which countries have the issue so I can let Capitol know.

ALso if the 66 or 67 sets ae still not available in the UK.

Thanks

Mark


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: andy on December 17, 2018, 08:47:32 PM
Queries:

1. Why hadn't the 1966 Track Mix for CIFOTM been released previously? Is it a new discovery?

2. Is it Stephen Desper on the talkback (e.g. Meant For You)?

I can try to answer #1. Alan B., are you still reading? This is the IIGS I heard on one of Durrie's acetates. If this was the source, then I understand. There was a quick search for those acetates back in the day but they weren't found, so it was thought they were no longer in existence. Then in 2012 several acetates were discovered when her storage locker was cleaned out.  So that was obviously after the box set came out.

I listened to all of the acetates, and this IIGS was on one of the H&V acetates. It wasn't the only unique piece on that acetate, so I'm curious as to why the other pieces didn't make it out.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: obscurereference on December 18, 2018, 12:26:53 AM
Please let me know if the Live 68 set is still not available overseas and which countries have the issue so I can let Capitol know.

ALso if the 66 or 67 sets ae still not available in the UK.

Thanks

Mark
Hi Mark,
The Live 68 set doesn't seem to be available in the UK yet (not on Amazon, Google Play or 7digital). The 66 and 67 sets do seem to be available though.
Thanks for looking into this!
Rob


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Vale on December 18, 2018, 01:48:37 AM
Please let me know if the Live 68 set is still not available overseas and which countries have the issue so I can let Capitol know.

ALso if the 66 or 67 sets ae still not available in the UK.

Thanks

Mark

Hi Mark
In Italy only the 68 live set is not available. 66, 67 and the latest 68 studio sessions are available to purchase.
Thanks


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Zesterz on December 18, 2018, 02:25:10 AM
I bought in UK the sessions Wake the World....and I can hear music.

Live sets nowhere to be found EXCEPT Spotify. 

Must say, the sound quality is amazing, especially the Palladium and Finsbury Park. Feels like you are on stage with the band ( and those UK shows seem best IMO because the support musicans add such a lot and the BB sing sooooo well ).


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Rebel on December 19, 2018, 08:08:05 PM
Why am I the only one fascinated in the Workshop connection with Our New Home


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 19, 2018, 08:10:29 PM
Why am I the only one fascinated in the Workshop connection with Our New Home

I am too...I thought others had noticed it already!



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: superunison on December 19, 2018, 09:05:56 PM
Why am I the only one fascinated in the Workshop connection with Our New Home

I am too...I thought others had noticed it already!



I'm hearing the same rhythm of the chords and similar instrumentation for the keys, but the chords don't sound the same to me. The chord structure IS actually the same chords as Our Sweet Love. Haven't seen anyone mention that on these boards yet, but it's been discussed elsewhere. I'm working on syncing up the two but it's not finished yet...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Cabinessenceking on December 20, 2018, 08:57:18 AM
If these recordings reveal anything to me, it's the clear necessity for a complete remix of the Friends album. The mixing on several tracks, notably the title track and Little Bird is really unbalanced and muddy when compared to these released backing tracks.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 20, 2018, 10:10:34 AM
Why am I the only one fascinated in the Workshop connection with Our New Home

I am too...I thought others had noticed it already!



I'm hearing the same rhythm of the chords and similar instrumentation for the keys, but the chords don't sound the same to me. The chord structure IS actually the same chords as Our Sweet Love. Haven't seen anyone mention that on these boards yet, but it's been discussed elsewhere. I'm working on syncing up the two but it's not finished yet...


Looking forward to hearing it...let us know how it turns out!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: MsBecca on December 20, 2018, 10:32:49 AM
Friends was already my favorite album but now I think it is their best album with Brian Wilson’s best singing . I am grateful for these sets


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 20, 2018, 10:38:24 AM
Friends was already my favorite album but now I think it is their best album with Brian Wilson’s best singing . I am grateful for these sets

I love most of Brian's singing on it, but those "it's cooool!" Brian-sung vocal parts in the Transcendental Meditation a capella track are... interesting  :lol

Not that those parts don't have their charm, but I was playing this new set on Spotify over nice speakers for a friend (who's a casual BBs fan that I'm trying to convert to more of a fan of their deeper cuts), and I had to do quite a bit of explanation about that song and Brian's quirkiness in general when those parts came on. My friend's eyes bugged out when she first heard the "it's cooool" parts.  :o

Just for this song alone, I'd have to disagree that it's Brian Wilson’s best singing on an album. IMHO. But for other Friends tracks though I'd agree that Brian sounds really awesome.

Side note: I wonder if Transcendental Meditation with all the stacked Brian voices was intended as a temp guide track (much like the stacked Brians on the Don't Talk unused intro), and if Brian had intended for The Boys to replace his vocals, but just said screw it and kept his own.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 20, 2018, 11:46:38 AM
Hmm...I’m actually going to disagree as I actually like that part! :lol

Out of curiosity, what’d she say about the set in general?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 20, 2018, 11:51:30 AM
Hmm...I’m actually going to disagree as I actually like that part! :lol

Out of curiosity, what’d she say about the set in general?

I kinda like it too, but in a "that's such a funny/rad little Brian bit" type of way, not in an "it's actually objectively good" kind of way  :lol  It's almost a precursor of Brian's Love You wacky type of things that he threw into songs in later years, but it's hard to compare the "it's cool" vocal (admittedly, just a small part of one song) to his flawless vocals on albums like Pet Sounds. But yeah, it's all just opinion!

I didn't play her the whole set, just parts of it, but she was definitely impressed! I actually can't wait to do a proper sitdown listening party with a BBs friend or two of the whole set. Man oh man I wish this was on vinyl instead of the unnecessary Philharmonic album, but I'm nevertheless extraordinarily grateful this stuff was released at all!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: rab2591 on December 20, 2018, 03:02:15 PM
Friends was already my favorite album but now I think it is their best album with Brian Wilson’s best singing . I am grateful for these sets

It is my second favorite Beach Boys album behind Pet Sounds. This set has been illuminating but I just wish it had been given a physical box set! That being said, I'm so grateful for the tracks and that we are actually getting anything relating to this album.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on December 20, 2018, 04:10:32 PM
The chord structure IS actually the same chords as Our Sweet Love. Haven't seen anyone mention that on these boards yet, but it's been discussed elsewhere. I'm working on syncing up the two but it's not finished yet...

Same verse progression, different time signature.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: seltaeb1012002 on December 20, 2018, 10:09:06 PM
Hey guys,

Wanted to share an updated version of my Passing By extraction mix:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2s5oim60tox0878/Passin%27%20By%20%28Brian%20Vocal%201972%29%20mix%202.mp3?dl=0

I added the intro as added by Brian and co (in 1972?  :))

Also did a little tightening up on the timing editing on Brian's vocals. I'll admit, the editing was pretty intrusive there, but my goal was to make the listening experience as close to hearing what it would've sounded like if Brian took a real stab at it.

Sidenote - please don't read into the 1972 date too deeply. That said, if "Awake" was recorded in late '71 - I'd say there's a chance this is '72. Sounds more like the guy on the intro of "California" than the "Awake" guy. Same time, could've been an off day in '71.



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Shady on December 21, 2018, 05:27:01 AM
Hey guys,

Wanted to share an updated version of my Passing By extraction mix:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2s5oim60tox0878/Passin%27%20By%20%28Brian%20Vocal%201972%29%20mix%202.mp3?dl=0

I added the intro as added by Brian and co (in 1972?  :))

Also did a little tightening up on the timing editing on Brian's vocals. I'll admit, the editing was pretty intrusive there, but my goal was to make the listening experience as close to hearing what it would've sounded like if Brian took a real stab at it.

Sidenote - please don't read into the 1972 date too deeply. That said, if "Awake" was recorded in late '71 - I'd say there's a chance this is '72. Sounds more like the guy on the intro of "California" than the "Awake" guy. Same time, could've been an off day in '71.



Love it!!

Big fan of your work seltaeb, thanks  ;D


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Wrightfan on December 21, 2018, 02:59:14 PM
Great job Setlab!

Speaking of the Passing By demo. Did Brian record a whole new track for the demo or did he just overdub his vocals on the original and pitch shift it?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 21, 2018, 03:16:02 PM
Sounds like the original track to me


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
Post by: Mitchell on December 21, 2018, 08:23:17 PM
Queries:

1. Why hadn't the 1966 Track Mix for CIFOTM been released previously? Is it a new discovery?

2. Is it Stephen Desper on the talkback (e.g. Meant For You)?

I can try to answer #1. Alan B., are you still reading? This is the IIGS I heard on one of Durrie's acetates. If this was the source, then I understand. There was a quick search for those acetates back in the day but they weren't found, so it was thought they were no longer in existence. Then in 2012 several acetates were discovered when her storage locker was cleaned out.  So that was obviously after the box set came out.

I listened to all of the acetates, and this IIGS was on one of the H&V acetates. It wasn't the only unique piece on that acetate, so I'm curious as to why the other pieces didn't make it out.

Thanks for confirming this! It's good to know that the mystery IIGS you'd described is now available for us to hear, such as it is. I'd love to learn more about it and the Durrie Parke acetates. Fascinating.

Once again, this music is incredible and a welcome addition to the catalogue. Thanks to all who made it happen!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Cabinessenceking on December 22, 2018, 03:26:17 AM
Great job Setlab!

Speaking of the Passing By demo. Did Brian record a whole new track for the demo or did he just overdub his vocals on the original and pitch shift it?

Also, is thisdemo related to the sessions in which Brian together with Stanley Shapiro and Tandyn Almer re-recorded several of the Friends songs (incl. Wake the World, Friends and Be Still)?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 22, 2018, 08:25:20 AM
Great job Setlab!

Speaking of the Passing By demo. Did Brian record a whole new track for the demo or did he just overdub his vocals on the original and pitch shift it?

Also, is thisdemo related to the sessions in which Brian together with Stanley Shapiro and Tandyn Almer re-recorded several of the Friends songs (incl. Wake the World, Friends and Be Still)?

Yes.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jim V. on December 22, 2018, 09:46:17 AM
Quick thoughts (and questions) about the "I'm In Great Shape" piece at the end of the Wake The World set...

It sounds like it was mixed by King Tubby. Crazy reverb. Is this actually how it was recorded, like how this was supposed to sound or is this cuz of the condition of the acetate?

Also, where would this fit? It almost sounds as though it could be a link from what we know as "I'm In Great Shape" to "Workshop" in my opinion?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jim V. on December 22, 2018, 09:58:56 AM
Great job Setlab!

Speaking of the Passing By demo. Did Brian record a whole new track for the demo or did he just overdub his vocals on the original and pitch shift it?

Also, is thisdemo related to the sessions in which Brian together with Stanley Shapiro and Tandyn Almer re-recorded several of the Friends songs (incl. Wake the World, Friends and Be Still)?

Yes.

Do we know what was really the mission of this Wilson/Shapiro/Almer venture? Did they want to get signed as a trio? Did they just wanna shop these songs to get cover versions? Also, of all the songs to "re-write" I wouldn't think it would be Friends tunes, but rather something like "Don't Worry Baby" (though I'm pretty sure Bruce Johnston did such a thing for his California Music band with shall we say....questionable results).


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 22, 2018, 10:30:57 AM
Great job Setlab!

Speaking of the Passing By demo. Did Brian record a whole new track for the demo or did he just overdub his vocals on the original and pitch shift it?

Also, is thisdemo related to the sessions in which Brian together with Stanley Shapiro and Tandyn Almer re-recorded several of the Friends songs (incl. Wake the World, Friends and Be Still)?

Yes.

Do we know what was really the mission of this Wilson/Shapiro/Almer venture? Did they want to get signed as a trio? Did they just wanna shop these songs to get cover versions? Also, of all the songs to "re-write" I wouldn't think it would be Friends tunes, but rather something like "Don't Worry Baby" (though I'm pretty sure Bruce Johnston did such a thing for his California Music band with shall we say....questionable results).

My understanding was that this happened at the behest of A&M, since they now owned the publishing rights (thanks to Murry). The idea was to make the songs marketable for other artists to record, hence lyrics where there were none, and revised lyrics elsehwere. Brian/Stan/Tandyn were NOT trying to get themselves signed as a trio.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 22, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
Great job Setlab!

Speaking of the Passing By demo. Did Brian record a whole new track for the demo or did he just overdub his vocals on the original and pitch shift it?

Also, is thisdemo related to the sessions in which Brian together with Stanley Shapiro and Tandyn Almer re-recorded several of the Friends songs (incl. Wake the World, Friends and Be Still)?

Yes.

Do we know what was really the mission of this Wilson/Shapiro/Almer venture? Did they want to get signed as a trio? Did they just wanna shop these songs to get cover versions? Also, of all the songs to "re-write" I wouldn't think it would be Friends tunes, but rather something like "Don't Worry Baby" (though I'm pretty sure Bruce Johnston did such a thing for his California Music band with shall we say....questionable results).

My understanding was that this happened at the behest of A&M, since they now owned the publishing rights (thanks to Murry). The idea was to make the songs marketable for other artists to record, hence lyrics where there were none, and revised lyrics elsehwere. Brian/Stan/Tandyn were NOT trying to get themselves signed as a trio.

That answers one question I’ve had for years!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jim V. on December 23, 2018, 08:45:28 AM
This info may have faded with the years, but was there any reason why it was Friends material that the guys worked on instead of, as I said, things like "Don't Worry Baby" and whatnot? Honestly, a lot of the best Beach Boys material wouldn't need a reworking to be covered anyways, but I'm sure you guys (and gals) get what I'm saying here. Was it just that the Friends material was close to Brian's heart with what he perceived to be a lack of attention to it? Cuz it's hard to imagne A&M (or any other company) in 1971 saying, "hey Bri, you wanna work on those songs from that album from the three years ago that didn't sell that well in the first place?"


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 23, 2018, 08:50:03 AM
This info may have faded with the years, but was there any reason why it was Friends material that the guys worked on instead of, as I said, things like "Don't Worry Baby" and whatnot? Honestly, a lot of the best Beach Boys material wouldn't need a reworking to be covered anyways, but I'm sure you guys (and gals) get what I'm saying here. Was it just that the Friends material was close to Brian's heart with what he perceived to be a lack of attention to it? Cuz it's hard to imagne A&M (or any other company) in 1971 saying, "hey Bri, you wanna work on those songs from that album from the three years ago that didn't sell that well in the first place?"

I've wondered about that, but I really don't have  clue. Stan Shapiro would be a good person to ask, if anyone can get in touch with him.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 23, 2018, 12:46:17 PM
Just a hunch but since so few people has heard Friends at the time it’d be easier to pass that stuff off as new material. Purely a guess


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 23, 2018, 12:50:01 PM
Just a hunch but since so few people has heard Friends at the time it’d be easier to pass that stuff off as new material. Purely a guess

You might be on to something!  Lots of people would probably have still remembered "Don't Worry Baby", for instance.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jim V. on December 23, 2018, 02:46:08 PM
Just a hunch but since so few people has heard Friends at the time it’d be easier to pass that stuff off as new material. Purely a guess

You might be on to something!  Lots of people would probably have still remembered "Don't Worry Baby", for instance.

That definitely makes a bit of sense.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Wrightfan on December 24, 2018, 07:45:55 AM
Quick thoughts (and questions) about the "I'm In Great Shape" piece at the end of the Wake The World set...

It sounds like it was mixed by King Tubby. Crazy reverb. Is this actually how it was recorded, like how this was supposed to sound or is this cuz of the condition of the acetate?

Also, where would this fit? It almost sounds as though it could be a link from what we know as "I'm In Great Shape" to "Workshop" in my opinion?

Believe it was found on a Heroes and Villains acetate. It apparently segues into the original "Children were Raised section."


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: yonderhillside on December 27, 2018, 02:01:49 PM
Just a hunch but since so few people has heard Friends at the time it’d be easier to pass that stuff off as new material. Purely a guess

You might be on to something!  Lots of people would probably have still remembered "Don't Worry Baby", for instance.

It was fairly common practice to cover lesser known songs by major artists in the 70's. Any decade, really, but probably peaked in the 70's. Perhaps, as suggested above, to give the impression it was original material without the concern of being immediately recognized.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 27, 2018, 02:47:22 PM
Just a hunch but since so few people has heard Friends at the time it’d be easier to pass that stuff off as new material. Purely a guess

You might be on to something!  Lots of people would probably have still remembered "Don't Worry Baby", for instance.

It was fairly common practice to cover lesser known songs by major artists in the 70's. Any decade, really, but probably peaked in the 70's. Perhaps, as suggested above, to give the impression it was original material without the concern of being immediately recognized.

Hell, Brian was doing it with himself with songs like "Darlin'"  ;D


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: gravitydood on December 28, 2018, 10:21:54 PM
Hi all.
Loving the discussion, you people are awesome with your dedication and knowledge.
I have one question (sorry if it is a repeat). On three friends session there is a track called 'rock n roll woman'. The riff from this track appears on a song performed live on the 'an American band' video (Brighton England?). Does anybody know the name of this song and does it appear on a studio lp. Again, apologies for my ignorance.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 28, 2018, 10:29:27 PM
Hi all.
Loving the discussion, you people are awesome with your dedication and knowledge.
I have one question (sorry if it is a repeat). On three friends session there is a track called 'rock n roll woman'. The riff from this track appears on a song performed live on the 'an American band' video (Brighton England?). Does anybody know the name of this song and does it appear on a studio lp. Again, apologies for my ignorance.

It's a cover of a Buffalo Springfield song called "Rock n Roll Woman". The Beach Boys never did a full studio version.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 28, 2018, 10:44:24 PM
Shame because the instrumental track on the set is excellent


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on December 28, 2018, 10:50:59 PM
I really hope they have a multitrack recording of them doing it live, at least. They really did an awesome cover of the song.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 28, 2018, 11:30:43 PM
I was actually disappointed a live version wasn’t in the set until I realized that was in there 1069 sets.


I’m right, am I? Admittedly I’m too lazy to look...


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 29, 2018, 06:28:57 AM
I was actually disappointed a live version wasn’t in the set until I realized that was in there 1069 sets.


I’m right, am I? Admittedly I’m too lazy to look...

Some folks recall attending 1968 concerts at which it was performed, but none of those were recorded. Let's hope it does turn up in next years' live sets.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jim V. on December 29, 2018, 08:52:38 AM
I was actually disappointed a live version wasn’t in the set until I realized that was in there 1069 sets.

I don't think any of the guys were touring in 1069.....


....


....I'll get my hat.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on December 29, 2018, 04:39:54 PM
I don't think any of the guys were touring in 1069.....

Everybody's gone serfin'....  ;D


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on December 29, 2018, 04:58:27 PM
I don't think any of the guys were touring in 1069.....

Everybody's gone serfin'....  ;D

THAT'S the funniest thing I've seen in awhile!  :)


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 29, 2018, 05:53:00 PM
:lol


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on December 31, 2018, 05:58:54 AM
I don't think any of the guys were touring in 1069.....

Everybody's gone serfin'....  ;D
The best TV game "What's My Line" features dear charming Bennett Cerf as panelist (favorite with my funny gal Arlene Francis :D), Random House Publishing co-founder. He'd written humorous books with puns, iirc played around with title dubbing book "Cerfboard" during the surf craze in the early 60s. Could be different name pun but similar, to be sure.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 31, 2018, 07:43:01 PM
Serf's Up mmm mmmm mmmm aboard a feudal wave


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on December 31, 2018, 08:05:13 PM
 :lol


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on January 07, 2019, 04:38:43 PM
For the Live in London release, which songs came from which shows?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on January 07, 2019, 07:18:00 PM
For the Live in London release, which songs came from which shows?

The LP consists of an entire single show. The other three shows are now available as part of the download.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on January 07, 2019, 07:48:57 PM
For the Live in London release, which songs came from which shows?

The LP consists of an entire single show. The other three shows are now available as part of the download.

So the Lp was the Finsbury Park first show?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on January 07, 2019, 08:24:11 PM
For the Live in London release, which songs came from which shows?

The LP consists of an entire single show. The other three shows are now available as part of the download.

So the Lp was the Finsbury Park first show?

Second show.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on January 07, 2019, 08:40:22 PM
Let me just note how great Bluebirds Over the Mountain is in concert - never was a fan of the 20/20 cut or single but it rocks live!!

The Palladium first show All I Want to Do is killer as well.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on January 08, 2019, 01:33:42 AM
Just a hunch but since so few people has heard Friends at the time it’d be easier to pass that stuff off as new material. Purely a guess

You might be on to something!  Lots of people would probably have still remembered "Don't Worry Baby", for instance.
There actually was a cover of "Don't Worry Baby" with an entirely different verse. I can't for the life of me remember who did it though. I believe it was recorded in the early 70's. I wonder if it was related to this project at all, or if it was just rewritten by one of the members of the group? The verse goes something like this:

"Each morning I awake and see the sunlight, softly shining on her hair
And then I realize I'm wrong in thinking that she really doesn't care
There's magic in her eyes, that makes me come alive when she says...."


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Zesterz on January 08, 2019, 02:13:18 AM
@JAY.....The Tokens


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Zesterz on January 08, 2019, 02:17:29 AM
And..........while writing about 1968 ---- there has still not been any release  in UK of the LIVE ON TOUR 1968 shows.  ( yrs, I know Spotify has them.....thats why I wd like to buy,  a couple of the concerts in particular are incredible


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on January 08, 2019, 04:32:33 AM
Yes Lincoln and Chicago are standouts.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: chrisb on January 08, 2019, 08:35:25 AM
Regarding the Live In London recordings, in an interview played recently on BBC Radio 4, following his death, recording engineer Geoff Emerick said that the sound of the London Palladium Beach Boys show that he recorded was terrible as the Beach Boys drummer was too loud. So he recorded the band again at their Finsbury Park Astoria shows and this time put the drummer behind a glass screen and got a perfect recording.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0001s05
Geoff Emerick best known for his studio work with The Beatles of course


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on January 08, 2019, 09:44:11 AM
@JAY.....The Tokens
Thank you!  ;D It was driving me crazy. I think this might have been one of the songs for the project. I've found quite a few covers of the song with that verse. B.J. Thomas did a version, Bryan Ferry did one, and Bruce/California Music  did covers of the song with that verse.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: superunison on January 08, 2019, 11:03:23 AM
Has anyone figured out why the verse background vocals for Time To Get Alone are missing on the a cappella track on the set? Treasure trove of amazing material, this was the only thing I'm really wishing we got!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: monkeytree5 on January 08, 2019, 11:14:27 AM
Are any other bands doing these Copyright Extension releases?
Seems like there would be an epidemic of them for other contemporary bands, but I've only heard of the Beach Boys' releases.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on January 08, 2019, 11:35:51 AM
Are any other bands doing these Copyright Extension releases?
Seems like there would be an epidemic of them for other contemporary bands, but I've only heard of the Beach Boys' releases.
That's a very good question, and point to make. I know that The Beatles did one release for the year 1963, and I think Bob Dylan did one release in similar fashion, but I don't know if any other band that's doing it. I dearly wish that The Who would jump on the bandwagon, so to speak.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: monkeytree5 on January 08, 2019, 11:51:53 AM
Are any other bands doing these Copyright Extension releases?
Seems like there would be an epidemic of them for other contemporary bands, but I've only heard of the Beach Boys' releases.
That's a very good question, and point to make. I know that The Beatles did one release for the year 1963, and I think Bob Dylan did one release in similar fashion, but I don't know if any other band that's doing it. I dearly wish that The Who would jump on the bandwagon, so to speak.

You're right. I do remember the Bob Dylan one where Columbia put out only like a hundred copies of a copyright-extension release.  .. Only the BBs seems to get a big thoughtful releases (Thank god!)   Rhino already got ahead of the game by re-re-releasing every Monkees album 2-3 times with more tracks each time.
I just don't understand why there's not an epidemic of releases from so many famous bands of the time.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on January 08, 2019, 12:23:17 PM
My question is, what happens to all the existing material from bands that have missed the deadline for each year? Do they legally still have a claim to the master tapes and material on said tapes? If a band or artist misses a deadline, but still wants to release some kind of collection of material from a specific year anyway, can they? If you can't tell already, I know next to nothing about the legal angle of things such as these.  :lol


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 08, 2019, 12:32:16 PM
My question is, what happens to all the existing material from bands that have missed the deadline for each year? Do they legally still have a claim to the master tapes and material on said tapes? If a band or artist misses a deadline, but still wants to release some kind of collection of material from a specific year anyway, can they? If you can't tell already, I know next to nothing about the legal angle of things such as these.  :lol

I think this is a fair and interesting question. I'm not sure there's a definitive answer.

Indeed, let's say a band either already knows they have an unreleased recording of an unreleased song from, say, 1964 (or, alternatively, only just now discovers the 1964 recording), and has never released it, then what happens? If they have the only known copy, would they never release the thing because it would be immediately available for anyone to dupe and release because it's outside of copyright?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on January 08, 2019, 02:44:44 PM
Having heard all of these 66-68 concert recordings, it’s surprising to me that all that time, they never played the complete version of “Wouldn’t It Be Nice”.  It was always a slightly abbreviated version, cutting the line “You know it seems the more we talk about it, it only makes it worse to live without it”.  I guess they didn’t start including that until the seventies.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Zesterz on January 08, 2019, 03:37:03 PM
@Rocky R.--- they did it in UK in late 60s. I saw it , heard it....and was a bit disappointed as Bruce sounded thin on his lines.The rest of it was great, including what Bruce did-- but that critical line proved too thin.  IMO


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on January 08, 2019, 05:12:18 PM
Having heard all of these 66-68 concert recordings, it’s surprising to me that all that time, they never got played the complete version of “Wouldn’t It Be Nice”.  It was always a slightly abbreviated version, cutting the line “You know it seems the more we talk about it, it only makes it worse to live without it”.  I guess they didn’t start including that until the seventies.

There's a concert recording from early '71 (I forget which show, probably Carnegie Hall in February) where they announce that for the past few years, they'd been touring the world playing 3/4 of that song, but now they would do the whole thing - which they did then, and at every point since then.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on January 09, 2019, 07:56:10 AM
My question is, what happens to all the existing material from bands that have missed the deadline for each year? Do they legally still have a claim to the master tapes and material on said tapes? If a band or artist misses a deadline, but still wants to release some kind of collection of material from a specific year anyway, can they? If you can't tell already, I know next to nothing about the legal angle of things such as these.  :lol

Yes, the band, if they had a claim to the master tapes before (more often the label has the claim to the master tapes, but can't release them without the band's approval), still have a claim after 50 years.  And yes, if they miss a deadline they can still release a collection from a previous year, but then it's dicey whether or not someone else could rerelease those and not pay royalties or get permission from the band.  But if someone gets a copy of those master tapes and they are more than 50 years old, they can release them as they are now public domain.  By releasing them before the 50 years the copyright is renewed with the new release is my understanding.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Terry Trolley on January 15, 2019, 12:53:44 PM
New Rolling Stone interview with Alan Boyd and Mark Linett

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/how-the-beach-boys-lost-late-sixties-gems-got-a-second-life-779012/


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 15, 2019, 12:59:47 PM
New Rolling Stone interview with Alan Boyd and Mark Linett

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/how-the-beach-boys-lost-late-sixties-gems-got-a-second-life-779012/

Rad, thanks for sharing that!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: SMiLE Brian on January 15, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
Great article! :bw


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Terry Trolley on January 15, 2019, 01:05:23 PM
lol I think I must have 2 profiles here because I've definitely posted way more than once!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: rab2591 on January 15, 2019, 01:20:29 PM
New Rolling Stone interview with Alan Boyd and Mark Linett

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/how-the-beach-boys-lost-late-sixties-gems-got-a-second-life-779012/

Thanks Terry!

Quote
And the track “Oh Yeah” — what’s that about?
Linett: My understanding is that the Beach Boys were on tour — I think they just played the Fillmore East in New York — and because there was this sort of mad scramble to finish up the new album, they’d taken their tapes with them and were working on them every chance they got. I guess they did some work at Capitol Studios in New York, and one of the band members happened upon this kid on the street who was doing this kind of rap thing, and they thought, “Oh, man, this is great, we should get him on tape.” They brought him into the studio, gathered the guys around the mic, and had him lay it down. All it says on the tape box is “Oh Yeah.” No indication as to who he is.

That is such a cool story. Imagine being this kid throwing out some words on the street and next you're in a recording studio with one of America's most well loved bands. Would love to know if this kid is still around and if he remembers this.

Also, no live recordings from 1969 in the vaults. Pretty interesting. Really grateful for Alan and Mark's work, and that this set is getting some press. Looking forward to next year's release.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 15, 2019, 01:49:54 PM
New Rolling Stone interview with Alan Boyd and Mark Linett

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/how-the-beach-boys-lost-late-sixties-gems-got-a-second-life-779012/

Thanks Terry!

Quote
And the track “Oh Yeah” — what’s that about?
Linett: My understanding is that the Beach Boys were on tour — I think they just played the Fillmore East in New York — and because there was this sort of mad scramble to finish up the new album, they’d taken their tapes with them and were working on them every chance they got. I guess they did some work at Capitol Studios in New York, and one of the band members happened upon this kid on the street who was doing this kind of rap thing, and they thought, “Oh, man, this is great, we should get him on tape.” They brought him into the studio, gathered the guys around the mic, and had him lay it down. All it says on the tape box is “Oh Yeah.” No indication as to who he is.

That is such a cool story. Imagine being this kid throwing out some words on the street and next you're in a recording studio with one of America's most well loved bands. Would love to know if this kid is still around and if he remembers this.

Also, no live recordings from 1969 in the vaults. Pretty interesting. Really grateful for Alan and Mark's work, and that this set is getting some press. Looking forward to next year's release.

That is indeed truly fascinating. Especially since it is somewhat of a proto rap/spoken word type of thing. I'm trying to think of a parallel in rock history for such a famous band.

I wonder if any sort of search has ever been conducted to find this kid. This could/should be a scene in a movie or something. I feel like if this ever happened with say, The Beatles, there'd be entire TV special programs dedicated to finding the kid and getting his recollections.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: rab2591 on January 15, 2019, 01:59:52 PM
New Rolling Stone interview with Alan Boyd and Mark Linett

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/how-the-beach-boys-lost-late-sixties-gems-got-a-second-life-779012/

Thanks Terry!

Quote
And the track “Oh Yeah” — what’s that about?
Linett: My understanding is that the Beach Boys were on tour — I think they just played the Fillmore East in New York — and because there was this sort of mad scramble to finish up the new album, they’d taken their tapes with them and were working on them every chance they got. I guess they did some work at Capitol Studios in New York, and one of the band members happened upon this kid on the street who was doing this kind of rap thing, and they thought, “Oh, man, this is great, we should get him on tape.” They brought him into the studio, gathered the guys around the mic, and had him lay it down. All it says on the tape box is “Oh Yeah.” No indication as to who he is.

That is such a cool story. Imagine being this kid throwing out some words on the street and next you're in a recording studio with one of America's most well loved bands. Would love to know if this kid is still around and if he remembers this.

Also, no live recordings from 1969 in the vaults. Pretty interesting. Really grateful for Alan and Mark's work, and that this set is getting some press. Looking forward to next year's release.

That is indeed truly fascinating. Especially since it is somewhat of a proto rap/spoken word type of thing. I'm trying to think of a parallel in rock history for such a famous band.

I wonder if any sort of search has ever been conducted to find this kid. This could/should be a scene in a movie or something. I feel like if this ever happened with say, The Beatles, there'd be entire TV special programs dedicated to finding the kid and getting his recollections.

Makes me wonder what stuff other bands did like this that never left the vaults.

I would love to have seen this on their 20/20 album, as some sort of hidden track at the tail end of the album.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 15, 2019, 02:16:39 PM
New Rolling Stone interview with Alan Boyd and Mark Linett

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/how-the-beach-boys-lost-late-sixties-gems-got-a-second-life-779012/

Thanks Terry!

Quote
And the track “Oh Yeah” — what’s that about?
Linett: My understanding is that the Beach Boys were on tour — I think they just played the Fillmore East in New York — and because there was this sort of mad scramble to finish up the new album, they’d taken their tapes with them and were working on them every chance they got. I guess they did some work at Capitol Studios in New York, and one of the band members happened upon this kid on the street who was doing this kind of rap thing, and they thought, “Oh, man, this is great, we should get him on tape.” They brought him into the studio, gathered the guys around the mic, and had him lay it down. All it says on the tape box is “Oh Yeah.” No indication as to who he is.

That is such a cool story. Imagine being this kid throwing out some words on the street and next you're in a recording studio with one of America's most well loved bands. Would love to know if this kid is still around and if he remembers this.

Also, no live recordings from 1969 in the vaults. Pretty interesting. Really grateful for Alan and Mark's work, and that this set is getting some press. Looking forward to next year's release.

That is indeed truly fascinating. Especially since it is somewhat of a proto rap/spoken word type of thing. I'm trying to think of a parallel in rock history for such a famous band.

I wonder if any sort of search has ever been conducted to find this kid. This could/should be a scene in a movie or something. I feel like if this ever happened with say, The Beatles, there'd be entire TV special programs dedicated to finding the kid and getting his recollections.

Makes me wonder what stuff other bands did like this that never left the vaults.

I would love to have seen this on their 20/20 album, as some sort of hidden track at the tail end of the album.

Had that happened, The BBs would probably be legendary for breaking new ground in terms of genre. I'm still not quite sure how to classify the genre of “Oh Yeah”, but it's definitely doing something new for 1969, methinks.

I'd like to think that someone, somewhere, is gonna accidentally access this track in their iTunes when they are intending to select the song by the band Yello (made famous from Ferris Beuller's Day Off)  :lol

Bomp
Bomp
Chick
Chick-ee-Chick-awwww


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 16, 2019, 06:38:28 AM
Interesting that there aren't any 1969 shows in the vaults, especially after the flurry of '68 shows caught on tape. But I guess the '68 shows surviving might be considered more the anomaly than the other way around.

So I guess that Paris show at the Olympia released on the French website is the only full-length pro-shot/soundboard item around from the '69 tour. I recall some other bits and pieces and a few audience recordings might be around.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on January 16, 2019, 07:03:09 AM
What makes you say that they don't have any 1969 shows in the vault? Was that confirmed somewhere? I've seen it claimed that the group has recordings from every year(which makes me curious about the possibility of a 1997 soundboard recording, but that's another topic I guess).


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on January 16, 2019, 10:00:09 AM
What makes you say that they don't have any 1969 shows in the vault? Was that confirmed somewhere? I've seen it claimed that the group has recordings from every year(which makes me curious about the possibility of a 1997 soundboard recording, but that's another topic I guess).

Mark and Alan specifically mention that in the Rolling Stone interview.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 17, 2019, 08:44:27 AM
New Rolling Stone interview with Alan Boyd and Mark Linett

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/how-the-beach-boys-lost-late-sixties-gems-got-a-second-life-779012/

Great article and interview! Now THAT is how to get the word out about releases like this. I'm so glad to see RS run this piece so people outside the BB's fan bubble can know it's available. I think sometimes this fanbase exists too much inside its own bubble unless something gets picked up and distributed to outlets like RS.

Re: The article, this section:

>>>>What was Brian’s level of involvement with these sessions originally?
Boyd: Brian was very much involved in Friends — he was still basically running the show. He even finished the album after the boys had left to go on tour. At that point, the Beach Boys were sooo far behind on their contract with Capitol because of that long period of time between Pet Sounds and the eventual release of Smiley Smile. They were still playing catch-up. By the spring of ’68 , an album had to be turned in. Same thing with 20/20 — there was a major flurry of activity to finish that one in time to get it to Capitol before they launched a major tour of Europe. But Brian was very much involved in Friends. He pretty much produced it.

Linett: Even [songs] we’d probably say were co-produced, like Dennis’ “Little Bird,” were still more Brian producing. Not a whole lot different than earlier group recordings. The exception here is there are a lot of session players on the basic tracks, as opposed to Wild Honey and Smiley Smile.<<<<


A very big thank you to Mark and Alan for truly setting the record straight on this specific issue, and doing so in a major music publication. I hope this can be one of the definitive statements of fact on this issue of Brian's involvement in the music, and a validation of sorts for those who had to argue this very fact over the past 15 years or so in various online jousting matches over how involved Brian was in the music from 67-68. Thank you.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 17, 2019, 10:13:34 AM


>>>>What was Brian’s level of involvement with these sessions originally?
Boyd: Brian was very much involved in Friends — he was still basically running the show. He even finished the album after the boys had left to go on tour.

I wonder if this would account for the reason Brian sings all the parts on Transcendental Meditation; there HAS to be some logical reason for that.

Was that song recorded last for the album, once The Boys had left for touring?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on January 17, 2019, 10:38:45 AM


>>>>What was Brian’s level of involvement with these sessions originally?
Boyd: Brian was very much involved in Friends — he was still basically running the show. He even finished the album after the boys had left to go on tour.

I wonder if this would account for the reason Brian sings all the parts on Transcendental Meditation; there HAS to be some logical reason for that.

Was that song recorded last for the album, once The Boys had left for touring?

Yes, exactly - that was the next-to-last track to be recorded for the album, and it was cut on April 4th (the day MLK was gunned down). The following day, the Boys were scheduled to open their tour in Nashville (the gig was cancelled due to MLK's assassination in nearby Memphis). We don't know for sure when the vocals were added to the track, but it was likely when the Boys were out of town. Likewise, Brian finished "Busy Doin' Nothin'" and recorded "Diamond Head" while the Boys were away.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 17, 2019, 10:39:50 AM


>>>>What was Brian’s level of involvement with these sessions originally?
Boyd: Brian was very much involved in Friends — he was still basically running the show. He even finished the album after the boys had left to go on tour.

I wonder if this would account for the reason Brian sings all the parts on Transcendental Meditation; there HAS to be some logical reason for that.

Was that song recorded last for the album, once The Boys had left for touring?

Yes, exactly - that was the next-to-last track to be recorded for the album, and it was cut on April 4th (the day MLK was gunned down). The following day, the Boys were scheduled to open their tour in Nashville (the gig was cancelled due to MLK's assassination in nearby Memphis). We don't know for sure when the vocals were added to the track, but it was likely when the Boys were out of town. Likewise, Brian finished "Busy Doin' Nothin'" and recorded "Diamond Head" while the Boys were away.

Utterly fascinating. Thanks, c-man!

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: B.E. on January 17, 2019, 10:56:00 AM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 17, 2019, 10:58:52 AM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: B.E. on January 17, 2019, 11:06:06 AM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on January 17, 2019, 03:41:25 PM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.

Yeah...and another one that's close to that is "I'm Waiting For The Day". I used to think that was all Brian, but the track sheets indicate that Mike is singing the bass voice (doubled, I think, by Brian). And of course Mike sang the alternate verse lead that wasn't used on the album.

Another one might be "Wipeout" (although, technically, it does have other vocalists - meaning, The Fat Boys).


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: wjcrerar on January 17, 2019, 04:05:39 PM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.

Yeah...and another one that's close to that is "I'm Waiting For The Day". I used to think that was all Brian, but the track sheets indicate that Mike is singing the bass voice (doubled, I think, by Brian). And of course Mike sang the alternate verse lead that wasn't used on the album.
Carl too, singing the lower part of the "ahh-be-doo-be-doo" with Brian.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: wjcrerar on January 17, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
Could the Vega-Tables ballad insert count? I know it's just a section, but that's a big stack-o-Brian.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on January 17, 2019, 04:12:35 PM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.

Yeah...and another one that's close to that is "I'm Waiting For The Day". I used to think that was all Brian, but the track sheets indicate that Mike is singing the bass voice (doubled, I think, by Brian). And of course Mike sang the alternate verse lead that wasn't used on the album.
Carl too, singing the lower part of the "ahh-be-doo-be-doo" with Brian.

Not sure about that...the track sheet is labeled with only Brian's and Mike's names, so I'm thinking there's no Carl on that one.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: wjcrerar on January 17, 2019, 04:16:36 PM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.

Yeah...and another one that's close to that is "I'm Waiting For The Day". I used to think that was all Brian, but the track sheets indicate that Mike is singing the bass voice (doubled, I think, by Brian). And of course Mike sang the alternate verse lead that wasn't used on the album.
Carl too, singing the lower part of the "ahh-be-doo-be-doo" with Brian.

Not sure about that...the track sheet is labeled with only Brian's and Mike's names, so I'm thinking there's no Carl on that one.
You can hear him at the end of the take in the stack-o-vocals mix though, just by himself for a second. They're singing into the same mic and that's definitely not Mike. Could those vocals have been done at another session?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Custom Machine on January 17, 2019, 11:49:11 PM
New Rolling Stone interview with Alan Boyd and Mark Linett

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/how-the-beach-boys-lost-late-sixties-gems-got-a-second-life-779012/

Great article and interview! Now THAT is how to get the word out about releases like this. I'm so glad to see RS run this piece so people outside the BB's fan bubble can know it's available. I think sometimes this fanbase exists too much inside its own bubble unless something gets picked up and distributed to outlets like RS.

Re: The article, this section:

>>>>What was Brian’s level of involvement with these sessions originally?
Boyd: Brian was very much involved in Friends — he was still basically running the show. He even finished the album after the boys had left to go on tour. At that point, the Beach Boys were sooo far behind on their contract with Capitol because of that long period of time between Pet Sounds and the eventual release of Smiley Smile. They were still playing catch-up. By the spring of ’68 , an album had to be turned in. Same thing with 20/20 — there was a major flurry of activity to finish that one in time to get it to Capitol before they launched a major tour of Europe. But Brian was very much involved in Friends. He pretty much produced it.

Linett: Even [songs] we’d probably say were co-produced, like Dennis’ “Little Bird,” were still more Brian producing. Not a whole lot different than earlier group recordings. The exception here is there are a lot of session players on the basic tracks, as opposed to Wild Honey and Smiley Smile.<<<<

A very big thank you to Mark and Alan for truly setting the record straight on this specific issue, and doing so in a major music publication. I hope this can be one of the definitive statements of fact on this issue of Brian's involvement in the music, and a validation of sorts for those who had to argue this very fact over the past 15 years or so in various online jousting matches over how involved Brian was in the music from 67-68. Thank you.


And now, Craig, you can truly thank Mark and Alan in their endeavors toward providing both current and future copyright extension releases of this wonderful music by purchasing all three 1968 sets.

To somewhat paraphrase a very popular song from a year prior to these 1968 releases, "it will be worth it, if not only for the benefit of this and future Beach Boys releases from the vault, but for your own peace of mind."



Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Jay on January 18, 2019, 01:23:45 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Rocker on January 18, 2019, 05:12:49 AM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.


And of course Mike sang the alternate verse lead that wasn't used on the album.



I think Mike's vocal take on that is great. Guess I like it better than Brian's lead. It just sound so good.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Custom Machine on January 18, 2019, 12:12:28 PM
A review from Rolling Stone 1/18/2019 ...
Review: Beach Boys Plumb Vaults for Post-‘Pet Sounds’ Gems
Heavenly acapellas, covers, stoner ramblings, and other rarities from the 1968 ‘Friends’ and ’20/20′ sessions are spruced up and issued on the latest digital dump from the band’s fabled vaults.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/review-beach-boys-plumb-vaults-for-post-pet-sounds-gems-780314/


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: c-man on January 18, 2019, 09:00:24 PM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.

Yeah...and another one that's close to that is "I'm Waiting For The Day". I used to think that was all Brian, but the track sheets indicate that Mike is singing the bass voice (doubled, I think, by Brian). And of course Mike sang the alternate verse lead that wasn't used on the album.
Carl too, singing the lower part of the "ahh-be-doo-be-doo" with Brian.

Not sure about that...the track sheet is labeled with only Brian's and Mike's names, so I'm thinking there's no Carl on that one.
You can hear him at the end of the take in the stack-o-vocals mix though, just by himself for a second. They're singing into the same mic and that's definitely not Mike. Could those vocals have been done at another session?

I'm not sure it isn't Mike, singing in his tenor voice. It lacks the nasality one usually associates with him, but I think that particular quality normally comes into play when he sings higher. If this is his "normal" voice, between the bass or low baritone parts and the higher nasal tone that he's best known for, it could be him.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: wjcrerar on January 19, 2019, 07:17:57 AM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.

Yeah...and another one that's close to that is "I'm Waiting For The Day". I used to think that was all Brian, but the track sheets indicate that Mike is singing the bass voice (doubled, I think, by Brian). And of course Mike sang the alternate verse lead that wasn't used on the album.
Carl too, singing the lower part of the "ahh-be-doo-be-doo" with Brian.

Not sure about that...the track sheet is labeled with only Brian's and Mike's names, so I'm thinking there's no Carl on that one.
You can hear him at the end of the take in the stack-o-vocals mix though, just by himself for a second. They're singing into the same mic and that's definitely not Mike. Could those vocals have been done at another session?

I'm not sure it isn't Mike, singing in his tenor voice. It lacks the nasality one usually associates with him, but I think that particular quality normally comes into play when he sings higher. If this is his "normal" voice, between the bass or low baritone parts and the higher nasal tone that he's best known for, it could be him.
Nah, Mike could sing without getting nasal but this is 300% not him: https://clyp.it/sn5gcdpf  Is a more likely explanation not just the paperwork being wrong?


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Fall Breaks on January 20, 2019, 03:39:19 AM
I'm with c-man here. Could be a non-typical Mike.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Zesterz on January 20, 2019, 04:19:34 AM
 Getting back to the thread.........is there no word of the " On tour" live tracks being released in UK yet?

. Having heard them on Spotify, I would like to buy a couple of concerts


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: JonEverett on January 20, 2019, 09:14:14 AM
Getting back to the thread.........is there no word of the " On tour" live tracks being released in UK yet?

. Having heard them on Spotify, I would like to buy a couple of concerts

I'll second this. Not on Quboz whereas the other two are.
Really want to buy it rather than a dubious download!!
Jon


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: terrei on January 20, 2019, 10:29:34 AM
Nah, Mike could sing without getting nasal but this is 300% not him: https://clyp.it/sn5gcdpf  Is a more likely explanation not just the paperwork being wrong?

That is 300% Mike


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: wjcrerar on January 20, 2019, 11:10:32 AM
Nah, Mike could sing without getting nasal but this is 300% not him: https://clyp.it/sn5gcdpf  Is a more likely explanation not just the paperwork being wrong?

That is 300% Mike
Next you're gonna tell me that's not Blondie singing Sail On Sailor :P

Seriously though, listen to the harshness on the very start of the "ahhh". It doesn't match up with Mike's vocal style or intonation, even on examples of his lighter mid-range vocals like Aren't You Glad or the Wonderful backing vocals. The voice there sounds at least several years younger than Mike. In fact, the main Wonderful backing vocal part is Mike doing wordless "ahhh"s in pretty much exactly the same range covering a lot of the same notes, and the tone's way off this part in IWFTD.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: ForHerCryingSoul on January 20, 2019, 12:39:04 PM
That's Dennis


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: terrei on January 21, 2019, 04:08:27 PM
Next you're gonna tell me that's not Blondie singing Sail On Sailor :P

Seriously though, listen to the harshness on the very start of the "ahhh". It doesn't match up with Mike's vocal style or intonation, even on examples of his lighter mid-range vocals like Aren't You Glad or the Wonderful backing vocals. The voice there sounds at least several years younger than Mike. In fact, the main Wonderful backing vocal part is Mike doing wordless "ahhh"s in pretty much exactly the same range covering a lot of the same notes, and the tone's way off this part in IWFTD.

The nasal waver on the last "ahhh" is what gives away that it's Mike. And I have no idea what you're talking about re: Aren't You Glad and Wonderful because Mike's vocals on there sound exactly as they do here. It doesn't sound like anyone else in the band. I've always heard the "duh duh duh" part as Mike too.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: yrplace on January 22, 2019, 11:57:28 AM
https://world.wng.org/2019/01/new_or_recent_albums


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: mtaber on January 29, 2019, 03:09:47 PM
I know I'm "late to the party", but I wanted to post my comments.

I'm an old-timer now, and had never purchased downloadable music until this week.  I got a new phone and, after screwing up several attempts to purchase the new studio sets, finally successfully got them into my hot little phone yesterday.  I want to add my thanks to Mark and Alan for putting this beast together and making it available.

My review is simple - WOW!!!

Especially love the Friends material, it's absolutely breath-takingly gorgeous!  Old Folks at Home/Old Man River, Walk On By, Can't Wait Too Long - HOLY LORD, so much beautiful stuff!  Dennis coming of age, Brian blowing my mind, Carl blossoming - this stuff is indescribably stupendous!  I'm glad to contribute my piddly $35 to the cause!

Thanks a thousand times over!  Makes me want to resurrect my old fanzines! 


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: mtaber on January 29, 2019, 03:47:41 PM
There's a "life lesson" in these releases.  Sometimes life can get you down, there are times when the future looks bleak and we can get to the point where there may not seem to be much point in the whole mess.  But then something truly wonderful happens, something unexpected, something that seems like a gift from God.  This release is a gift from above, through the hands of Mark, Alan, Howie, and anyone else involved.  We all should appreciate it.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 29, 2019, 04:34:33 PM
There's a "life lesson" in these releases.  Sometimes life can get you down, there are times when the future looks bleak and we can get to the point where there may not seem to be much point in the whole mess.  But then something truly wonderful happens, something unexpected, something that seems like a gift from God.  This release is a gift from above, through the hands of Mark, Alan, Howie, and anyone else involved.  We all should appreciate it.

+1


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: hideyotsuburaya on February 12, 2019, 01:18:34 PM
technically the 20/20 sessions digital release last year jumped the 50 year copyright extension gun, since while Friends LP was 1968 (for Wake The World sessions), 20/20 originally was 1969

so now that we're over a month into 2019 what (other) 1969 material still needs such extended copyright protection?  BreakAway

that would seem to be it.  with a stretch one could include the UK 45 single version of Cottonfields which's of course a 1970 release there (recorded in 1969).  the US 45 also is a 1970 release but it's the 20/20 version which's already been covered on the sessions.  over a year went by for them to release it as a single from the album (probably a capitol move, although that doesn't exactly explain why Al went ahead with his revised recording)

so mssrs boyd & linnet could take a breather and give us nothing more until 2020, for the copyright extension release of Sunflower material.  And there's certainly a ton there

With that overload my conjecture is some of it (sunflower)--that which's known to have earlier recording dates--could jump the gun and come out at the end of this year.  while the other half of material would be a 2020 copyright extension release.  that fragments sunflower so maybe they'll scotch my idea.  a quandary with no singularly good answer

p.s.:  it seems confusion could be had between the calendar year 2020, vs. the title of the beach boys album





Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: wjcrerar on February 12, 2019, 02:09:32 PM
technically the 20/20 sessions digital release last year jumped the 50 year copyright extension gun, since while Friends LP was 1968 (for Wake The World sessions), 20/20 originally was 1969

so now that we're over a month into 2019 what (other) 1969 material still needs such extended copyright protection?  BreakAway

that would seem to be it.  with a stretch one could include the UK 45 single version of Cottonfields which's of course a 1970 release there (recorded in 1969).  the US 45 also is a 1970 release but it's the 20/20 version which's already been covered on the sessions.  over a year went by for them to release it as a single from the album (probably a capitol move, although that doesn't exactly explain why Al went ahead with his revised recording)

so mssrs boyd & linnet could take a breather and give us nothing more until 2020, for the copyright extension release of Sunflower material.  And there's certainly a ton there

With that overload my conjecture is some of it (sunflower)--that which's known to have earlier recording dates--could jump the gun and come out at the end of this year.  while the other half of material would be a 2020 copyright extension release.  that fragments sunflower so maybe they'll scotch my idea.  a quandary with no singularly good answer

p.s.:  it seems confusion could be had between the calendar year 2020, vs. the title of the beach boys album



20/20 was entirely recorded in 1968. The copyright rule applies to the recording date, not the release date, otherwise there'd be no reason for it to exist. So plenty of 1969 material that could be included.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: hideyotsuburaya on February 12, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
actually I think it's neither, since recording sessions for a song can span years (cabinessence certainly wasn't entirely 1968)

copyright, or more accurately publishing date are the official base


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: HeyJude on February 13, 2019, 08:00:29 AM
I don't think the copyright extension issue is that simple. It involves mainly copyrighting of physical recordings, and then the rules pertaining to those also involve those recordings as essentially "work product" towards a copyrighted end product. Technically, only previously unreleased compositions need to be protected. Note that "Big Beat '63" is full of mostly unreleased tracks (e.g. "Thank Him"), and avoids alternate takes of a bunch of 1963 BB songs already found on albums.

When subsequent "copyright extension" releases have gone beyond that prompt and have included alternate takes of familiar, previously-releases songs (this began with the 2014 "Keep and Eye on Summer" collection), they're basically just doing so to make the release more interesting and fleshed-out for fans.

Regarding timing, the easiest solution to avoid any possible hiccups is to beat the 50-year deadline on the song's first sessions.


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: hideyotsuburaya on February 13, 2019, 01:44:01 PM
copyright of a composition vs. copyright of the recording, an interesting distinction

brings to mind Brians I'M WAITING FOR THE DAY which had a copyright in 1964 but not recorded (for Pet Sounds) until 1966 (with the usual Mike Love tampering with the lyrics).  what was submitted for copyright back in 1964, a title and a written lyric?  probably.  a chord sheet or note chart?  probably not


Title: Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread
Post by: Seagull Merlin on February 27, 2019, 05:23:48 PM
On the alternate version of when a man loves a woman I notice there is quite a bit of static when the backing vocals come in,
 is this because the tape is damaged? Any guesses? I'm just curious