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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2017, 03:01:57 PM »

I wonder if we’ll get the full tape of the tag of ‘All I Want To Do’...may have to put an explicit content label on this one Grin
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2017, 03:02:34 PM »

Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.

On songs only sung by Brian, isn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" one? I always thought he's doing all the backing vocals for the song, I could be wrong though.

Mostly but Carl's doing the lower harmony on the backing "aahhhh"s and Mike chimes in with the "baby don't you know" during the second verse, and also the "NO" responses in the tag but there's no way I would've realised that's not Brian without someone else pointing it out

The track sheets for "I'm Waiting For The Day" seem to indicate that all the vocals are Brian and Mike...meaning it would be Mike, not Carl, singing the lower harmony "aahhh's...and I'm pretty sure it's Brian singing the "baby don't you know" bit.

You definitely know more about this stuff than I do but on the Pet Sounds Sessions a capella mix at the end when everything other than the "ahhhh"s has faded out that's 100% Carl's voice...at least for the end anyway. I can buy Brian doing the "baby don't you know" but if so that's the best Mike impression he ever did.
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2017, 05:39:47 PM »

I wonder if we’ll get the full tape of the tag of ‘All I Want To Do’...may have to put an explicit content label on this one Grin
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2017, 05:49:58 PM »

I wonder if we’ll get the full tape of the tag of ‘All I Want To Do’...may have to put an explicit content label on this one Grin

AGD said he half-jokingly, but actually suggested a release of those tapes (which still apparently exist, both "performance takes"), and unsurprisingly the powers that be said nope.  It still blows my mind that Dennis slyly released the very first celebrity sex tape.  It may sound crass, but I'm legitimately surprised that it isn't more recognized as a notable first, because as far as I know it's a legitimate contender for holding that record. Firsts in media are pretty fascinating to me, and new ground was certainly broken!
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2017, 09:13:47 PM »

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« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2017, 09:28:39 PM »

Doe suggested it to the powers that be.

Ok then. No wonder it didn't go anywhere.

Pardon me, I'm going to ring McCartney and demand he release the "Carnival Of Light" tapes. Anyone else want the number?

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« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2017, 09:46:49 PM »

Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.

On songs only sung by Brian, isn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" one? I always thought he's doing all the backing vocals for the song, I could be wrong though.

Mostly but Carl's doing the lower harmony on the backing "aahhhh"s and Mike chimes in with the "baby don't you know" during the second verse, and also the "NO" responses in the tag but there's no way I would've realised that's not Brian without someone else pointing it out

The track sheets for "I'm Waiting For The Day" seem to indicate that all the vocals are Brian and Mike...meaning it would be Mike, not Carl, singing the lower harmony "aahhh's...and I'm pretty sure it's Brian singing the "baby don't you know" bit.

You definitely know more about this stuff than I do but on the Pet Sounds Sessions a capella mix at the end when everything other than the "ahhhh"s has faded out that's 100% Carl's voice...at least for the end anyway. I can buy Brian doing the "baby don't you know" but if so that's the best Mike impression he ever did.

It's amazing on some sections of Pet Sounds, especially, to find out just how many of those stacked voices are Brian's. he could cover each member's range and would do so, especially in 66-67.
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« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2017, 09:54:08 PM »

Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.

On songs only sung by Brian, isn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" one? I always thought he's doing all the backing vocals for the song, I could be wrong though.

Mostly but Carl's doing the lower harmony on the backing "aahhhh"s and Mike chimes in with the "baby don't you know" during the second verse, and also the "NO" responses in the tag but there's no way I would've realised that's not Brian without someone else pointing it out

The track sheets for "I'm Waiting For The Day" seem to indicate that all the vocals are Brian and Mike...meaning it would be Mike, not Carl, singing the lower harmony "aahhh's...and I'm pretty sure it's Brian singing the "baby don't you know" bit.

The third vocal OD by Mike is when the "Baby Don't You Know" and the "No!" and "Uh Huh" interjections in the tag were recorded, as well as some unused stuff in the middle.  This can be heard crystal clear on the SOT bootleg.  It's definitely him.  Also I've never seen (or heard) any convincing evidence that Brian is doing all of the backing vocals, though I concede that he might have done most of them.  Wouldn't there have to be a tape bounce done before the lead vocal was recorded for that to be the case?
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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2017, 10:25:27 PM »

Doe suggested it to the powers that be.

Ok then. No wonder it didn't go anywhere.

Pardon me, I'm going to ring McCartney and demand he release the "Carnival Of Light" tapes. Anyone else want the number?



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« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2017, 08:30:00 AM »

Dammit Billy! LOL
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« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2017, 08:52:20 AM »

Transcendental Meditation (vocals only) could be really interesting.

How many released, BBs album songs are there where the are a bunch of vocal harmonies, and Brian is the ONLY BB doing all of the singing on the *entire* song?

Would this be the only one? Songs like Caroline, No and Your Summer Dream aren't in the running since there are no harmony vocals.

Wipeout kinda doesn't count in my book; not a real BBs song, plus there's other vocalists on the song. I guess there's the non-album "Beach Boys" song from the late 80s, Barbie. We have the all-Brian Don't Talk intro snippet from the Pet Sounds Sessions, but that was of course never on an actual album. There have been claims of I Just Wasn't Made for These Times being all Brian (even the harmonies), but I thought that was debunked (even prior to the revelation that Denny is likely heard in bits of the lead).

Just for the unusual nature of this song alone, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only released BBs all-Brian harmony song, it should definitely get a vocals-only treatment.

Also... how about some sessions of Murry doing his vocal overdubs on Be Here in the Morning? That must be fascinating to hear. Maybe really awkward to hear the studio chatter too, I wouldn't count on much of it being released unedited. Not to mention hearing some isolated Murry singing vocals, if any exist (not sure if he sung into a separate mic, Mike Love style, or if he got around a single mic with the other Boys). Isolated Murry vox is something I doubt anybody has ever even thought of hearing before.

Lots of possibilities for odd curious on this set.

On songs only sung by Brian, isn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" one? I always thought he's doing all the backing vocals for the song, I could be wrong though.

Mostly but Carl's doing the lower harmony on the backing "aahhhh"s and Mike chimes in with the "baby don't you know" during the second verse, and also the "NO" responses in the tag but there's no way I would've realised that's not Brian without someone else pointing it out

The track sheets for "I'm Waiting For The Day" seem to indicate that all the vocals are Brian and Mike...meaning it would be Mike, not Carl, singing the lower harmony "aahhh's...and I'm pretty sure it's Brian singing the "baby don't you know" bit.

You definitely know more about this stuff than I do but on the Pet Sounds Sessions a capella mix at the end when everything other than the "ahhhh"s has faded out that's 100% Carl's voice...at least for the end anyway. I can buy Brian doing the "baby don't you know" but if so that's the best Mike impression he ever did.

It's amazing on some sections of Pet Sounds, especially, to find out just how many of those stacked voices are Brian's. he could cover each member's range and would do so, especially in 66-67.

The Vega-Tables ballad insert is the one that gets me. Also the session for the Whispering Winds fade on SoT - I think the final overdub adds Al and maybe Carl into the mix (Sunshine Tomorrow 2 proves there's definitely at least Al) but before that all the counterpoints around Mike's lead are just Brian building it up himself overdub by overdub. Never would've guessed so many of those voices are only one guy.
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« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2017, 01:58:12 PM »

Just more proof he was doing Wall of Brians long before his solo career
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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2017, 07:27:39 PM »

My wishlist:

1968 - Let's Be Friends

Disc One:
Friends Stereo Remix:
   1. Meant for You (2018 Stereo Remix)
   2. Friends (2018 Stereo Remix)
   3. Wake the World (2018 Stereo Remix)
   4. Be Here in the Mornin' (2018 Stereo Remix)
   5. When a Man Needs a Woman (2018 Stereo Remix)
   6. Passing By (2018 Stereo Remix)
   7. Anna Lee, the Healer (2018 Stereo Remix)
   8. Little Bird (2018 Stereo Remix)
   9. Be Still (2018 Stereo Remix)
   10. Busy Doin' Nothin' (2018 Stereo Remix)
   11. Diamond Head (2018 Stereo Remix)
   12. Transcendental Meditation (2018 Stereo Remix)
Friends Sessions: February-April 1968
   13. Meant for You (Long Version) (Alternate Mix)
   14. Friends (Session Highlights/Stereo Backing Track)
   15. Be Here in the Mornin' (Alternate Version)
   16. Little Bird (Session Highlights/Stereo Backing Track)
   17. Even Steven (Busy Doin' Nothin')
   18. Diamond Head (Session Highlights)
   19. Transcendental Meditation (A Cappella)
   20. Ol' Man River (Session Highlights/Alternate Version)
   21. Walk on By (Alternate Version)
   22. My Little Red Book (Demo)
   23. New Song (Doves of Peace/Indian Wisdom)
   24. All I Wanna Do (First Version)
   25. You're as Cool as You Can Be
   26. Our Happy Home
Friends Live:
   27. Friends (Live 1968)
   28. Wake the World (Live 1968)
   29. Little Bird (Live 1968)
Additional Recordings:
   30. Friends (1972 Version)
   31. Wake the World (1972 Version)
   32. Passing By (1972 Version)
   33. Be Still (1972 Version)
   34. Ol' Man River (A Cappella)

Disc Two:
20/20 Stereo Remix:
   1. Do it Again (2018 Stereo Remix)
   2. I Can Hear Music (2018 Stereo Remix)
   3. Bluebirds Over the Mountain (2018 Stereo Remix)
   4. Be with Me (2018 Stereo Remix)
   5. All I Want to Do (2018 Stereo Remix)
   6. The Nearest Faraway Place (2018 Stereo Remix)
   7. Cotton Fields (2018 Stereo Remix)
   8. I Went to Sleep (2018 Stereo Remix)
   9. Time to Get Alone (2018 Stereo Remix)
   10. Never Learn Not to Love (2018 Stereo Remix)
   11. Our Prayer (2018 Stereo Remix)
   12. Cabinessence (2018 Stereo Remix)
20/20 Sessions: May-November 1968
   13. Rendezvous (Do it Again) (Session Highlights)
   14. Bluebirds Over the Mountain (September 1967 Backing Track)
   15. The Nearest Faraway Place (Alternate Version w/Vocals)
   16. Time to Get Alone (A Cappella)
   17. Never Learn Not to Love (Alternate Mix)
   18. Cabinessence (Dennis Overdub - A Cappella)
   19. We're Together Again (Version One)
   20. We're Together Again (Version Two - A Cappella)
   21. Sail Plane Song (Session Highlights/Alternate Mix)
   22. Walkin'
   21. Oh Yeah
   21. Can't Wait too Long (Sections)
   22. Can't Wait too Long (2018 Stereo Remix)
20/20 Live:
   26. Do it Again (Live 1968)
   27. I Can Hear Music (Live 1969)
   28. Bluebirds Over the Mountain (Live 1968)
   29. All I Want to Do (Live 1968)
   30. The Nearest Faraway Place (Live 1969)
Additional Recordings:
   31. All I Want to Do (Tag Overdub Session)

According to AGD's site, another track called "The Gong" was recorded on November 16th, but I'm fairly certain it's just the intro to "Never Learn Not to Love". Also, if there were any vocals ever recorded for "Mona Kana", throw 'em on there as well.
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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2017, 09:33:37 PM »

30 years of Kokomo, and 40 years of MIU.
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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2017, 05:36:35 AM »

it was only the bridge section of New Song that was known to collectors as Indian Wisdom or Spanish Guitar Song
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« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2017, 11:45:02 AM »

If all we got for Can't Wait Too Long was a "2018 Stereo Remix" and "Sections," I would be very disappointed, and would not buy it.  Why can't they make a legitimate attempt to compile a best-guess version of the final song?
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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2017, 12:02:19 PM »

In not sure where to put this question, so I'll just throw it in here. Is it just me, or is the melody of the verses from "Stevie" a reworking of "New Song"?
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« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2017, 12:06:05 PM »

If all we got for Can't Wait Too Long was a "2018 Stereo Remix" and "Sections," I would be very disappointed, and would not buy it.  Why can't they make a legitimate attempt to compile a best-guess version of the final song?

I don't know what the chances of this happening are but I'd love to see them try a version syncing up Brian's '67 chorus vocal to the final track, they've already released the sections in their unfinished state and the Smile Sessions set a precedent for this sort of thing so there's no reason not to do it. From studying what's on SoT and other bootlegs I'm pretty sure a best-guess full structure would (or should) go something like this:

Intro
Verse (acoustic guitar and vibes version)
Chorus
Verse (handclaps and wordless vocals version)
Chorus
Bridge ("miss you darlin'")
Short Verse ("now I'm alone lyin' down")
Tag (with syncopated "baby you know I can't wait forever" if it still exists)
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« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2017, 06:47:43 AM »

Why can't they make a legitimate attempt to compile a best-guess version of the final song?

They did. The only piece of CWTL we haven't gotten is what sounds like a '68 rerecording of the same arrangement that appears on Sunshine Tomorrow.
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« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2017, 03:10:23 PM »

We don't know whether any other pieces are out there but unbooted.  And I'm not just looking for the pieces.  The song deserves a comprehensive construction rather than the half-hearted attempts of the past.
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« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2017, 04:32:02 PM »

I'd love the 20/20 version of 'Time To Get Alone' as vocals only... maybe some session highlights of "DEEP AND WIDE!!!"  Cool Guy

Vocals only 'Never Learn Not To Love' too please, Mark and Alan.
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« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2018, 09:32:52 AM »

No news about that?
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« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2018, 10:03:48 AM »

I'm getting the feeling that we ain't getting a physical release of any unreleased 1968 material this year. The summer was taken over by the useless orchestral disc and it's getting a little late for the classic fall release that would usually come in like October or November. So unless we hear some news soon, I'd assume we will only be getting a December copyright dump in digital only format. Which I admit I wouldn't be heartbroken over, as it's the music that matters to me, but I wouldn't mind that if the stuff gets released, it gets an actual physical release.
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« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2018, 05:58:45 PM »

I'm getting the feeling that we ain't getting a physical release of any unreleased 1968 material this year. The summer was taken over by the useless orchestral disc and it's getting a little late for the classic fall release that would usually come in like October or November. So unless we hear some news soon, I'd assume we will only be getting a December copyright dump in digital only format. Which I admit I wouldn't be heartbroken over, as it's the music that matters to me, but I wouldn't mind that if the stuff gets released, it gets an actual physical release.


How about a December copyright dump in digital-only format, followed up next year with a multi-CD release of 1968 and 1969 recordings together, excluding material that should/could add to an expanded Sunflower recording in 2020?
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« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2018, 09:56:57 PM »

I'm getting the feeling that we ain't getting a physical release of any unreleased 1968 material this year. The summer was taken over by the useless orchestral disc and it's getting a little late for the classic fall release that would usually come in like October or November. So unless we hear some news soon, I'd assume we will only be getting a December copyright dump in digital only format. Which I admit I wouldn't be heartbroken over, as it's the music that matters to me, but I wouldn't mind that if the stuff gets released, it gets an actual physical release.


How about a December copyright dump in digital-only format, followed up next year with a multi-CD release of 1968 and 1969 recordings together, excluding material that should/could add to an expanded Sunflower recording in 2020?

That is what I'm expecting, personally.
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