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« Reply #675 on: July 20, 2018, 04:49:45 PM »

I’m a little disturbed by a number of comments on here about the use of wheelchairs.  And this has nothing to do with Brian. For all I know a wheelchair might not help with brian’s health issues so that’s besides the point. But for those that do need a wheelchair, whether temporarily, permanently, or in specific situations, there’s nothing shameful or alarming about using one.  A number of comments here suggest that Brian might “not want to be seen” in one or that fans “might be alarmed” to see him in a wheelchair.  This kind of attitude perpetuates the stigmatization of people that use wheelchairs or mobility devices. 

The jazz giant Clark Terry was often in a wheelchair in his last years and, I believe, performed live while using a wheelchair.  Instead of seeing that and feeling uncomfortable for whatever reason, or worrying that he’s on the decline, we should all take our hats off to someone who has physical or mobility issues but uses whatever tools are available (wheelchair, walker, what have you) to allow them to do what they want to do.  That’s called kicking ass, and it’s not something to be ashamed of. 

Marcella, I was one of the people who made some wheelchair comments. I in no way meant that using a wheelchair is shameful or anything like that. But it's the way people react, and I was saying a real possibility that Brian or one of his staff thought people would react to a wheelchair. I wasn't saying it was correct to do so. People reacted when he had to be helped onstage. There's nothing shameful in needing help, either. I'm probably not explaining myself well, but I do apologize if I implied that using a wheelchair is anything to be ashamed of.

I completely understand what you're saying, and I wasn't calling out any one comment, just the idea that people could react negatively if they saw Brian in a wheelchair. I understand that the paparazzi will spin something like that into a story on Brian's decline or whatever, but frankly, so what? If B-list magazines and whatever "camps" want to suggest that Brian shouldn't be touring - well, as many have pointed out, that's been happening for years, and it doesn't seem to hold any sway with Brian. My point was just that people should be able to use whatever mobility device or medical assistance they need in order to let them do the things they want to do, without worrying about what anyone else thinks.

I agree with you, and I'm just saying that sometimes, people who work for celebrities ARE paid to look after the celebrity's image. I'm hoping Brian doesn't care. People speculate about him a lot-- he may slur his speech, not answer questions, be carried to the stage, whatever-- and people speculate, including some of the people here. I'm sure people have speculated about his health since at least the 70s.  I would hope Brian just carries forward without worrying and does what he wants. I think that's probably the case. The thing is, Brian continually defies the doubters. As someone said in this thread, how many 76-year-olds go on tour, months after back surgery?
Well, some might say, he is forced to go on tour because that's what his 'handlers' insist upon.

They might. And it would be an excruciatingly dull thing for everyone else to hear. Some topics just live on in the minds of oddly obsessed people who really, really need to find other outlets. The "wife and managers" crowd fits that bill. (Some who are negatively obsessed with the M&B band are similarly deranged and dull.)
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« Reply #676 on: July 20, 2018, 05:49:11 PM »

Yup. I mean, I could say right now that I woke as a frog and currently sitting on a lily pad beating off and eating flies. I’d be lying my ass off, but I could say it. 😏. So whatever some “might” say means nothing to me because anyone can flap their lips and say anything , and no amount of wishing would make it true
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« Reply #677 on: July 20, 2018, 06:41:03 PM »

Nice post Cap, now about Lebron to LA.....
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« Reply #678 on: July 20, 2018, 07:24:39 PM »

I’m a little disturbed by a number of comments on here about the use of wheelchairs.  And this has nothing to do with Brian. For all I know a wheelchair might not help with brian’s health issues so that’s besides the point. But for those that do need a wheelchair, whether temporarily, permanently, or in specific situations, there’s nothing shameful or alarming about using one.  A number of comments here suggest that Brian might “not want to be seen” in one or that fans “might be alarmed” to see him in a wheelchair.  This kind of attitude perpetuates the stigmatization of people that use wheelchairs or mobility devices.  

The jazz giant Clark Terry was often in a wheelchair in his last years and, I believe, performed live while using a wheelchair.  Instead of seeing that and feeling uncomfortable for whatever reason, or worrying that he’s on the decline, we should all take our hats off to someone who has physical or mobility issues but uses whatever tools are available (wheelchair, walker, what have you) to allow them to do what they want to do.  That’s called kicking ass, and it’s not something to be ashamed of.  

Marcella, I was one of the people who made some wheelchair comments. I in no way meant that using a wheelchair is shameful or anything like that. But it's the way people react, and I was saying a real possibility that Brian or one of his staff thought people would react to a wheelchair. I wasn't saying it was correct to do so. People reacted when he had to be helped onstage. There's nothing shameful in needing help, either. I'm probably not explaining myself well, but I do apologize if I implied that using a wheelchair is anything to be ashamed of.

I completely understand what you're saying, and I wasn't calling out any one comment, just the idea that people could react negatively if they saw Brian in a wheelchair. I understand that the paparazzi will spin something like that into a story on Brian's decline or whatever, but frankly, so what? If B-list magazines and whatever "camps" want to suggest that Brian shouldn't be touring - well, as many have pointed out, that's been happening for years, and it doesn't seem to hold any sway with Brian. My point was just that people should be able to use whatever mobility device or medical assistance they need in order to let them do the things they want to do, without worrying about what anyone else thinks.

I agree with you, and I'm just saying that sometimes, people who work for celebrities ARE paid to look after the celebrity's image. I'm hoping Brian doesn't care. People speculate about him a lot-- he may slur his speech, not answer questions, be carried to the stage, whatever-- and people speculate, including some of the people here. I'm sure people have speculated about his health since at least the 70s.  I would hope Brian just carries forward without worrying and does what he wants. I think that's probably the case. The thing is, Brian continually defies the doubters. As someone said in this thread, how many 76-year-olds go on tour, months after back surgery?
Well, some might say, he is forced to go on tour because that's what his 'handlers' insist upon.

They might. And it would be an excruciatingly dull thing for everyone else to hear. Some topics just live on in the minds of oddly obsessed people who really, really need to find other outlets. The "wife and managers" crowd fits that bill. (Some who are negatively obsessed with the M&B band are similarly deranged and dull.)

Sorry Capt. but I'm "negatively obsessed" with the M&B band and I take it as a direct insult that because of my opinion about them, you label me as such. Don't forget, there are two sides to every opinion. I may consistently post about how I hate Mike Love, but I do not put someone down because they believe otherwise. You need to be careful about crossing that line. If you think the M&B band is the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel then that's fine. I have the right to challenge that but calling me "deranged and dull" is entirely out of line.
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« Reply #679 on: July 20, 2018, 07:25:58 PM »

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« Reply #680 on: July 20, 2018, 07:36:54 PM »

What the f*** kind of nonsense is that?
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« Reply #681 on: July 20, 2018, 07:44:51 PM »

What the f*** kind of nonsense is that?

Dude, you wrote the line, not me.
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« Reply #682 on: July 20, 2018, 08:54:29 PM »

Whew, time  for me to mediate... Wink
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« Reply #683 on: July 20, 2018, 11:35:39 PM »

Brian is using a wheelchair on stage now - https://www.facebook.com/alanjardine/posts/1946717888719830
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« Reply #684 on: July 20, 2018, 11:45:19 PM »

Brian is using a wheelchair on stage now - https://www.facebook.com/alanjardine/posts/1946717888719830
Seeing that is a bit of a shock to the system. Let's hope it's only to help along the rehab for his back and not something else we don't know about.
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« Reply #685 on: July 21, 2018, 01:27:37 AM »

I think people commenting that Brian is forced to do things, shadowy figures aka handlers decide what he does is way meaner than people "hating" on Mike.
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« Reply #686 on: July 21, 2018, 01:32:50 AM »

I think people commenting that Brian is forced to do things, shadowy figures aka handlers decide what he does is way meaner than people "hating" on Mike.
I agree, and that's a very good point. People can hate Mike all they want, and call him the worst names you can think of. But they don't accuse him of being a victim of mind control by his wife or family. That's hate on a psychological level.
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« Reply #687 on: July 21, 2018, 01:43:32 AM »

I think people commenting that Brian is forced to do things, shadowy figures aka handlers decide what he does is way meaner than people "hating" on Mike.
I agree, and that's a very good point. People can hate Mike all they want, and call him the worst names you can think of. But they don't accuse him of being a victim of mind control by his wife or family. That's hate on a psychological level.

It’s borderl pathological
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« Reply #688 on: July 21, 2018, 01:44:16 AM »

Brian is using a wheelchair on stage now - https://www.facebook.com/alanjardine/posts/1946717888719830
Seeing that is a bit of a shock to the system. Let's hope it's only to help along the rehab for his back and not something else we don't know about.

I’m sure it’s only to allow him to not overdo it and probably way better for his back then the hard bench he would use before
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« Reply #689 on: July 21, 2018, 05:15:02 AM »

What the f*** kind of nonsense is that?

Dude, you wrote the line, not me.


I know and stand behind what I said. If you're self-identifying and self-diagnosing, well, there's always help. It's never too late.
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« Reply #690 on: July 21, 2018, 08:23:49 AM »

Brian is using a wheelchair on stage now - https://www.facebook.com/alanjardine/posts/1946717888719830

He looks quite animated, which is great. 
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« Reply #691 on: July 21, 2018, 08:30:24 AM »


He's definitely into it.
Brian has been seen in a comfy chair before shows, and he wrote about it in his book, too. I always wondered why he couldn't sit in a comfier chair onstage, albeit one that would still allow him to play the keyboard. Looks like the wheelchair gives him some support. And it would make it easier on whoever helps him onto the stage.
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« Reply #692 on: July 21, 2018, 08:35:51 AM »

Brian is using a wheelchair on stage now - https://www.facebook.com/alanjardine/posts/1946717888719830
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« Reply #693 on: July 21, 2018, 09:55:40 AM »

Sounding great!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=66&v=i_y1_i_Zrvc
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« Reply #694 on: July 21, 2018, 03:51:40 PM »

Brian is using a wheelchair on stage now - https://www.facebook.com/alanjardine/posts/1946717888719830
Seeing that is a bit of a shock to the system. Let's hope it's only to help along the rehab for his back and not something else we don't know about.

Pictures of Brian in physical rehab/therapy were posted on Instagram. That coupled with Brian being in a wheelchair on stage tells me they're certainly not covering things up but are being surprisingly open about what's up with Brian.

Back surgery rehab is what it is. Brian is presumably recouping. It is nether minor nor a death knell.

I've seen people recouping from injuries and surgery return to work in a wheelchair.

It's no more impossible something's bring hidden about Brian now than five years ago, or than it is that Mike Love or anybody else is not disclosing health issues.
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« Reply #695 on: July 22, 2018, 06:53:55 AM »

Still good seats for Kingston tonight. I'm hemming and hawing about going. I can walk there easily.

Edit: Meh, too lazy to go plus the rain and humidity is just too much.
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« Reply #696 on: July 23, 2018, 09:28:54 AM »

Updated some setlists in the top post from setlist.fm. There's only a partial setlist posted for the 7/19 show, the first PS show of the year.
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« Reply #697 on: August 02, 2018, 08:55:58 AM »

The venue for the August 7th Tel Aviv show has changed – it’s now going to take place at the Charles Bronfman Auditorium (also known as היכל התרבות (Heichal HaTarbut) in Hebrew), which is a little bit northwest of the Menora Mivtachim Arena.

My best friend will be attending. I’ll try to get her thoughts and post a review from her if I can.
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« Reply #698 on: August 02, 2018, 03:09:58 PM »

Beautiful L&M on 7/25/2018!
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« Reply #699 on: August 03, 2018, 09:18:01 AM »

Edinburgh venue has now changed too. Edinburgh Playhouse on August 19th which is an indoor venue - so I've booked! :-)
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