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« on: October 16, 2017, 08:33:09 AM »

It looks like most (if not all) of the 2017 dates are done, so I thought I'd start up a new thread for 2018 tour dates.

So far, only three dates in May are scheduled. So there may or may not be a "tour" as such. In any event, as I've done for previous tours, I'll keep any dates, setlists, etc. here, and we can also of course discuss the tour dates now as well as once the dates start.

The three Nashville dates below list Al Jardine on the billing. No mention of Blondie Chaplin, though it's just as likely he could be there. The shows aren't billed as "Pet Sounds" shows, and Brian has spoken during the 2017 tour wrap-up in a way that suggests the "Pet Sounds" shows are done. But nothing is known for sure thus far.


May 10, 2018 - Nashville, TN - Schermerhorn Symphony Center (w/Nashville Symphony)
May 11, 2018 - Nashville, TN - Schermerhorn Symphony Center (w/Nashville Symphony)
May 12, 2018 - Nashville, TN - Schermerhorn Symphony Center (w/Nashville Symphony)
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 11:14:30 AM »

Symphony dates! I'd love to see Brian in that kind of setting. I hope these shows are a bit more inspired than the PS shows were.
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 12:16:12 PM »

Wow!!!  I am a Brian Wilson fan...at the very least.  Personally I don't truly believe that he can handle another long and demanding schedule of tour dates.  YES...the new album will have to be supported in some meaningful way and one would have to think that it'll be recorded and ready for release sometime within these next 6 months or so.  Maybe a package of 2 or 3 shows every other night in just ONE hand-picked city and taking place in special and entirely proper acoustically wonderful locations/venues.   These stops should be spread out between mid May and mid December.  That would work.   There needs to be real time off between tour stops...like maybe 9 or 10 days...thus limiting the showcasing of the new l.p. to as few as just 15 or 16 specific locations.

Brian's music is geared toward vocal performance.  If he is to participate in a qualitative and meaningful way he has to be allowed the time to keep his instrument in working order. Otherwise ... It's a disservice to the reason for taking the new album out for a ride let alone to the fans and to Brian D. Wilson himself.  He deserves at this point to only be showcased at his BEST.  Either that or just give him but a baton...and then...strike up the band.  Think that'd fly?  I don't.

The Pet Sounds 50th [and 51st] Anniversary Tour was a chance for all of us to come out and enjoy...and boisterously yell "THANK YOU Brian!!!"  But that's done now.  

Going forward I demand that Brian be presented with artistic dignity.  Don't 'Old Blue Eyes' him out the door.  He deserves FAR better than that.  So does his band.  So do we.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2017, 12:20:36 PM »

I think cutting down on the number of tour dates could do a lot of good for BW shows going forward.  Except for 2004 when he took Smile on the road and did 72 shows, he did no more than 50 shows a year when he returned to being a touring artist. 

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2017, 01:23:05 PM »

I think Brian actually did fine in terms of stamina in the last few years of touring. I think he just got stick of singing PS.

I'm not saying he should do 100 shows in 2018. But I don't think his ability to do shows in 2018 would be likely to be terribly different from 2017, so I think the main thing should be to do something other than PS, which I think is what the plan has been all along.

As for doing a lighter schedule, it's logistically difficult (not impossible, just difficult) for most artists to have a large band but only do scattered dates through the year, or to schedule a tour where there's a night off every other night.

Guys like McCartney or Billy Joel can do short spurts of shows because they have big bank, play arenas and stadiums, and can keep their band on retainer.

Brian's touring operation can't afford to keep the band on retainer all year to do five shows per month all year. He'd probably have to have more fill-ins and rotating musicians than he already has with the Darian-Gary-Billy-Debbie rotation.

If he does less dates, it's unlikely he'll do short spurts of shows like every month all year. It's more likely we'd see something in the mode of some of his 2000s tour schedules, which were (very generally) a month or two and then plenty of time off. Maybe we'd see something like the Fall 2013 sort of tour schedule.

But the idea is to keep the tour schedule tight to minimize excessive off days that make the tour more expensive.

Ideally, we'd see something more involved than 2014 or 2006 where he literally just did a few random shows here and there, but something less excessive than 100 dates.
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2017, 01:38:30 PM »

I guess what I'm failing to make clear here is that 'they' go out and do 1 city at a time.  There clearly are specific towns which can accommodate 2 or 3 consecutive shows at at time.  You really think it's just boredom?  I, on the other hand, think it was the taxing of his ability to keep on delivering the goods without proper breaks to re-energize and recharge his batteries ...and... hug his family.  I mean really...the guy is how old...and most of the songs he wrote were written for capable guys in their early to mid 20s to sing.  Many of those are tough songs to sing for anybody...regardless of age.  You have to have range and power and strength and stamina.

I doubt Brian's gonna settle back and write a bunch of duh duh duh...duh duh...duh duh duh...duh duh/Louie Louie songs for the Rock 'n' Roll album.  Trying to incorporate your thinking here H.J...If he/they can handle 3 cities back to back to back with 10 days off before heading out again...that's approximately [using a 2/3/2 formula per month...with 10 days off...] 56 shows over 8 months.  My suggestion would have been for up to 48 shows.  Sometimes less is more.  Either way I think we'd get a truer rendering of the music we love.  One thing Brian Wilson hasn't been...at least since 1965...is a machine.  Capitol may have demanded it.  We shouldn't.  [especially in 2018]
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2017, 06:33:32 AM »

If the idea is to use the same basic touring model, but do blocks of three shows at one venue/city instead of three shows at three different venues/cities, then I suppose they *could* do that in select markets.

But I'm not sure how many markets, especially without the sales hook of a "Pet Sounds" show, could sustain a three-night stand in the same market.

Then there is also the issue, on the fan side of things, of how easy it would be to catch a Brian show if he narrows the markets he hits. To be clear, I'm not one of the "Mike's tour is awesome because he hits every fair and festival and cook-off within a five mile radius of where I live" sort of advocates. Part of being into a more prestige artist like Brian is that *sometimes* you've got to haul your carcass into "the city" to see him. But if you look at recent Brian schedules, he has done a pretty good amount of Midwest/south, etc. sort of "secondary markets." That's not happening in the "three night stand in large markets" model.

On the other hand, if the idea is instead to do whatever shows in whatever town, but then put in large (e.g. 10 day) breaks between runs of three cities/shows, then we're back to whether logistically that could work.

56 shows per year is *much cheaper* and easier to plan/schedule/rehearse/contract musicians if they do a straight 56-show tour over the span of three months or so, rather than spreading it out over eight months.

I don't want to downplay how rest can help most any artist, and certainly Brian. When I've caught shows after a day or two break rather than catching the third show in three nights, I do think the energy level is up usually. But I also think that Brian's clear antipathy in continuing to perform the entirety of "Pet Sounds" has been far more noticeable than his general dip in energy in previous years when he's had to do three or even four nights in a row. In other words, his third night in a row singing "Dance Dance Dance" has often still had more energy and enthusiasm than his performance of "You Still Believe In Me" after several days rest.

I honestly think it's quite possible that 2018 will be a very light year of touring (perhaps no actual full-on "tour" at all) due to, among other reasons, that he has saturated the market pretty well in the last two years. Frankly, I'm fine if he dials it back. One of the main reasons I did seeing him tour more rigorously is that it gives us a chance to see and hear Al who, for whatever reason, lost interest after "Beach Boys Family & Friends" was shot down in 1999 in every launching any significant number of his own live dates. Even with only a handful of leads per night, seeing Al (and Matt) with Brian's band has been more exciting than Al's random one-off gigs with Dean Torrence and the "Surf City All Stars." (No offence to those outfits; I would have seen Al and Dave and Dean if they had *ever* played a gig anywhere near me, and/or with any decent amount of publicity). 
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 08:24:21 AM »

I would prefer that Brian NOT tour in 2018.  That said...I just don't see how he can release a new album and not go out to support it.  LOTS of artists these days go to spend a week or 10 days at a resort or onboard a cruise ship and people/fans come to see them at/on THAT chosen locale.  It's being done.  I assume it's successful because it continues to be done.  I just think that there are certain artists who can pull this off at more destinations  than merely Vegas alone.  But perhaps the turnover there, in Nevada specifically, helps to make it work?  I dunno.

What I do know is that Brian will have to be 'on' and in key for the new album tour to make a real impact.  If he can't sing lead on the new songs then there isn't much of a point in doing it.  I doubt he'll be cut the same break this time around.   Why screw with his image and legacy?
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 09:38:22 AM »

Artists of Brian's era and stature often if not usually tie together and album and tour. But tours don't really support/push/sell albums much like they did in the olden days. If anything, it's the other way around for a lot of artists. The album is just a background promotional tool for a tour.

TV appearances can help push an album, and other promotional tools.

But by the time an actual tour gets going, the album attached to it has dropped off the charts (in cases where the album is out before or at the time of the tour's opening), and the tour is its own (and usually *the main*) revenue stream. Brian makes more off touring and VIP packages than he does off album sales for his solo stuff.

Doing a Vegas residency (which I think is relatively different from doing those "Oldies" cruises) would have been perfect for the BB reunion lineup, and it perhaps could work for Brian as well.

I think Brian might just be at another slight career crossroads. No BB reunion in sight. Other than a refurbished "Smile" tour, there isn't much of any touring "concept" to wrap a tour around that will sell a lot of extra tickets. He can still sell a core number of tickets, so some level of touring is always an option. So what does Brian do? Just another album/tour cycle? I'd prefer an album of new stuff to oldies R&R covers, but either way I would imagine he'll sing the stuff on any given album just fine, and then if he tours behind it he'll only do 2-4 songs from any new album.

I think it would be cool to see more concentrated, niche projects see realization. A boxed set of Brian's famous/infamous stuff, call it "The Bedroom Tapes" even if the moniker isn't terribly accurate, is where I think Brian could build up a lot of heavy interest. A boxed set of demos and curios, and wrapping a tour around *that* concept in some general sense, could be cool.

2018 ideally would perhaps see:

-Opening up of the BB archives (studio and live)
-A "Bedroom Tapes" boxed set to beef up interest in *Brian* on the indie scene again
-Separately or together with the "Bedroom Tapes" in some sort larger Brian boxed set, a full release of all the Paley stuff
-If Brian also wants to get an oldies R&R album out of his system, let him do that too. But get someone in there (Was, Thomas, someone) to finally get it done and out.
-A shorter, one-shot tour, perhaps in the fall, working in some new album stuff and more deep cuts, getting Al, Matt, and Blondie (if he's there) even more involved.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2017, 09:52:46 AM »

I've suggested this before, but how about a Christmas tour?

A short trek through the US from Nov 2018 - early Jan 2019 which sees Brian, Al, Blondie, and the band do a set heavy with tracks from both the BB & BW Christmas albums.   

Sadly, in my neck of the woods, Christmastime is really the only time you hear BB music on a regular basis on the radio.   

Granted, it doesn't have the ticket selling power of Pet Sounds (what in the BB universe really does?), but it's something a little out of the box. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2017, 11:18:04 AM »

I wouldn't mind hearing a few XMas tracks from Brian and the band.

But a "Christmas" tour would essentially just be a regular show with 3-5 XMas songs sprinkled into the setlist. I don't think they'd bust out the entire '64 album, nor would they work in much from Brian's solo set.

Al was apparently some time back in the last decade planning to do a Christmas tour with Christoper Cross and Jim Messina, and it of course never materialized. I have no idea how far into planning it they were, but that would have been interesting.

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2017, 11:26:43 AM »

I wouldn't mind hearing a few XMas tracks from Brian and the band.

But a "Christmas" tour would essentially just be a regular show with 3-5 XMas songs sprinkled into the setlist. I don't think they'd bust out the entire '64 album, nor would they work in much from Brian's solo set.

Al was apparently some time back in the last decade planning to do a Christmas tour with Christoper Cross and Jim Messina, and it of course never materialized. I have no idea how far into planning it they were, but that would have been interesting.



If they wanted to, they could chose about a dozen Xmas songs between the BB/BW albums (maybe sneak something like Winter Symphony), and still have 20 or so songs in the setlist for other material.   

I missed seeing Little St Nick in person by about a week two years ago.  I saw Brian on the 2nd leg of the NPP Tour the Friday before Thanksgiving.   After Thanksgiving, they swapped our All Summer Long for Little Saint Nick for the encore.  While I appreciate the restraint of waiting until after Thanksgiving to play Christmas material, I'd love to hear some BB holiday songs live. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2017, 11:34:40 AM »

I wouldn't mind hearing a few XMas tracks from Brian and the band.

But a "Christmas" tour would essentially just be a regular show with 3-5 XMas songs sprinkled into the setlist. I don't think they'd bust out the entire '64 album, nor would they work in much from Brian's solo set.

Al was apparently some time back in the last decade planning to do a Christmas tour with Christoper Cross and Jim Messina, and it of course never materialized. I have no idea how far into planning it they were, but that would have been interesting.



If they wanted to, they could chose about a dozen Xmas songs between the BB/BW albums (maybe sneak something like Winter Symphony), and still have 20 or so songs in the setlist for other material.   

I missed seeing Little St Nick in person by about a week two years ago.  I saw Brian on the 2nd leg of the NPP Tour the Friday before Thanksgiving.   After Thanksgiving, they swapped our All Summer Long for Little Saint Nick for the encore.  While I appreciate the restraint of waiting until after Thanksgiving to play Christmas material, I'd love to hear some BB holiday songs live. 

He hasn't always waited until after Thanksgiving to do "Little Saint Nick." He did it on the second, 2005 *Summer* "Smile" tour!

(He was of course presumably sort of pre-promoting his XMas album, which came out in October of that year after the tour wrapped).
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2017, 11:52:21 AM »

I'd love to hear some BB holiday songs live. 

Go see M&B if they're around you during any December. You'll hear half the Xmas album.
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2017, 11:58:59 AM »

I'd love to hear some BB holiday songs live. 

Go see M&B if they're around you during any December. You'll hear half the Xmas album.

I'd love to, but they don't tend to come to my neck of the woods in December.  They're coming to Maryland the weekend before Thanksgiving, but I'm out of town that weekend. 
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I think Brian might just be at another slight career crossroads. No BB reunion in sight. Other than a refurbished "Smile" tour, there isn't much of any touring "concept" to wrap a tour around that will sell a lot of extra tickets. He can still sell a core number of tickets, so some level of touring is always an option. So what does Brian do? Just another album/tour cycle? I'd prefer an album of new stuff to oldies R&R covers, but either way I would imagine he'll sing the stuff on any given album just fine, and then if he tours behind it he'll only do 2-4 songs from any new album.

I think it would be cool to see more concentrated, niche projects see realization. A boxed set of Brian's famous/infamous stuff, call it "The Bedroom Tapes" even if the moniker isn't terribly accurate, is where I think Brian could build up a lot of heavy interest. A boxed set of demos and curios, and wrapping a tour around *that* concept in some general sense, could be cool.

2018 ideally would perhaps see:

-Opening up of the BB archives (studio and live)
-A "Bedroom Tapes" boxed set to beef up interest in *Brian* on the indie scene again
-Separately or together with the "Bedroom Tapes" in some sort larger Brian boxed set, a full release of all the Paley stuff
-If Brian also wants to get an oldies R&R album out of his system, let him do that too. But get someone in there (Was, Thomas, someone) to finally get it done and out.
-A shorter, one-shot tour, perhaps in the fall, working in some new album stuff and more deep cuts, getting Al, Matt, and Blondie (if he's there) even more involved.


Hey Jude, is the Rock and roll album supposed to be all covers?

From articles from this year, I assumed Brian was writing rock and roll songs like those of the 50's and 60's.

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2017, 04:21:44 PM »

I'd like to see Brian do an album along the lines of the Beach Boys Party album.  He could pick 25 or 30 oldies/rock and roll songs that he likes, rehearse them a bit with his band, and then record them quickly, like the Party album.  Very informal, let the band have fun with it, and get the "rock and roll" album out of his system.  I'm sure Brian could have some fun doing some of the lesser-known Spector songs, and it would be great to hear him do songs he loves, without having to slave over them. 
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2017, 05:45:39 PM »

Great idea mtaber! Grin
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2017, 06:20:35 PM »

Brian might cover an oldie or 3...as he did way back in the day...but it is my understanding that a good portion of the R 'n' R l.p. is supposed to be new songs.  And harkening back to 2015...you're right Jude.  Brian didn't perform all that many songs from NPP did he?

Oh well.  It'll happen as it happens.  I just want him to be healthy...and as 'on the mark' as possible.
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2017, 06:36:29 PM »

I was under the impression that they were supposed to be all covers and not new songs.

However much I like the idea of a stripped down Party! like album, I know that Brian does love his studio time tinkering and leading the band. I think that’s why I like NPP so much: you can listen to nearly any second of that album and you can hear at least 4 very different things going on deep in the recording. And I’d love to see that same attention to detail with a covers album.

My idea, which I’ve posted too many times before, is that Brian should make the classic covers album a “radio” show. Get some classic DJ to announce a couple songs every few songs, do an interview with Brian at some point. Start the album off with a classic radio jingle. But treat the whole thing like a classic radio show from the early 60s.

That being said, I would love anything, including an album done in the spirit of Party! just as long as we get another Brian studio album!
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2017, 12:07:13 AM »

I will believe the R 'n' R album when I see it.
It's more likely that Brian will tour again in 2018 doing a greatest hits show.
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2017, 05:20:17 AM »

Brian might cover an oldie or 3...as he did way back in the day...but it is my understanding that a good portion of the R 'n' R l.p. is supposed to be new songs.  And harkening back to 2015...you're right Jude.  Brian didn't perform all that many songs from NPP did he?

Oh well.  It'll happen as it happens.  I just want him to be healthy...and as 'on the mark' as possible.

Other than the Brian and Friends Show that was filmed in Vegas, I don't think more than four NPP were done on the NPP tour in '15.

When I saw him in Philly in June 2015, he did Runaway Dancer, The Right Time, Sail Away, and One Kind of Love.  When I saw the 2nd leg in Rockville, MD in November 2015, Runaway Dancer was (mercifully) dropped. 
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2017, 05:20:48 AM »

Rab - the Carpenters did that same type thing on side two of their Then and Now album.
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2017, 06:55:29 AM »

Considering the album (presumably) hasn't even happened yet, and that he's been talking about it for decades, I don't think there's any indication exactly *what* a resulting album would be. He has spoken at times about simply doing a R&R album, and I think at other times he has mentioned specific oldies artists. I don't think he has ever specifically said he would *write* new songs in that style. But he hasn't said anything to preclude that either.

At times, it has almost seemed like the two ideas are separate. One, to do a "covers" album of oldies, and the other to do a "Rock and Roll album" in a more general sense, which would presumably be Brian's version of "rocking", which doesn't really get much more hard-edged than something like "Marcella."

Covers of 50s tunes or new songs written *in that style* don't really interest me a great deal (though obviously one has to hear the result to know for sure).

The three things that sound more tantalizing to me are:

1. A new "Brian by himself" album. An album full of "Message Man" type tracks. Essentially, imagine the "Mike gets Brian alone in a room" scenario, just *without* Mike. This isn't likely to happen.

2. A boxed set/archival release of Brian demos, rare cuts, etc.

3. A "regular" new album simply full of new songs (which would likely include mining old songs as most albums have).

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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2017, 08:02:22 AM »

Pretty sure that Brian has spoken about the upcoming "rock 'n' roll" [not Rock] project with a degree of frequency.  He has also made mention of not having written anything for it "yet" but that was several months ago in one of about a dozen different interviews.  He also said that he plans to include some covers.  I think it became all covers mainly by virtue of on-line contributors imagining what song(s) he might wish to include on said rock 'n' roll album.

Yes...he's mentioned it many times through the relatively recent the past but the conversation has seemed far more to the point over these past 6-9 months.  Time will tell.  Brian is seemingly a different fella these days.  His confessionals [book/movie] seem to have further liberated him as did SMiLE, TLOS and NPP to varying degrees.

If he decides to hang up his spikes and put his glove and bat away now that the Pet Sounds season has concluded...I'd be alright with that as well.  If Brian wants to just sit back, take it easy, and watch Wheel of Fortune instead...s'all good.  Maybe, not unlike Johnny Carson, there's a song somewhere in all of that.

S'For Pat and Vanna
From Me and Lana.
The Healer Anna [Lee]
and My dog Banana
  
No rags to ruin.
Just my rockin' tune.
I'm over the moon
For Wheel of Fortune.

A, B, can't you see
With my TV
I'm gonna be
Pickin' the letter D.

Move over Mike
Hop on yer bike
I'm goin' for E
With my ol' pal Lee

Oh ya we're watchin'
{Watchin'}
Ya we're watchin'
{Watchin'}
Wheeeeeeel of Fortune.

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