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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2017, 07:36:47 AM »

Shut down vol. 2- It's either all time classics or horrible filler.

In that case it's not polarizing but polarized. Grin
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2017, 07:38:21 AM »

Right! Grin
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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2017, 08:34:39 AM »

TWGMTR certainly polarized Mike from the band and a lot of the fan base who bought and enjoyed it, and he's still grinding his axe about it as of recent interviews. It was a top-5 album that got mostly positive reviews, was it polarizing? I think people were happy to have it come out when it did and the music (save for a few missteps) actually holds up pretty well 5 years later.

I just listened to it recently, and I think it still holds up.  But, it has its share of detractors across several BB/BW forums. 
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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2017, 08:35:52 AM »

I think the small SIP fanbase is the natural reaction to horrible reputation of SIP. They think "It can't be that bad" even taking in account songs like "summer of love"....

I like about half the album, but Summer of Love marks the absolute low point in the BB canon. 
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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2017, 08:54:29 AM »

Summer in Paradise is one huge pile of dog sh*t. Anyone that says they like it is merely trolling.
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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2017, 09:21:06 AM »

Summer in Paradise is one huge pile of dog sh*t. Anyone that says they like it is merely trolling.

As cheesy as it is, I don't mind the live version from the MiC box set...that version is packed with a lot of energy.
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Summer in Paradise. Sorry, I get as far as "way back when when the master plan was having Fun Fun Fun and America's band", and there's no way in hell I'm listening to the rest of it. Don't insult me telling me I'm missing anything.
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« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2017, 09:42:23 AM »

I think the small SIP fanbase is the natural reaction to horrible reputation of SIP. They think "It can't be that bad" even taking in account songs like "summer of love"....

I like about half the album, but Summer of Love marks the absolute low point in the BB canon. 

I think that's about as far as anyone will go in defending it from what I've seen.  There's the odd youtube comment where someone proclaims it's their favorite album, but that's expected on that site.  I'm in the same boat as you in thinking there are about six decent songs on the album.  Some songs are hurt by the production more than others.  The only songs I listen to with somewhat regularity are Lahaina Aloha, Strange Things Happen and the live version of Summer in Paradise.  As rab said, it packs a lot of energy and you don't have the bad production of the studio version. 
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« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2017, 09:46:59 AM »

I think the small SIP fanbase is the natural reaction to horrible reputation of SIP. They think "It can't be that bad" even taking in account songs like "summer of love"....

I like about half the album, but Summer of Love marks the absolute low point in the BB canon. 

I think that's about as far as anyone will go in defending it from what I've seen.  There's the odd youtube comment where someone proclaims it's their favorite album, but that's expected on that site.  I'm in the same boat as you in thinking there are about six decent songs on the album.  Some songs are hurt by the production more than others.  The only songs I listen to with somewhat regularity are Lahaina Aloha, Strange Things Happen and the live version of Summer in Paradise.  As rab said, it packs a lot of energy and you don't have the bad production of the studio version. 


There's an okay EP buried in SIP. Like a 4 or (if feeling generous) 5 song EP. But the bad stuff is *so* bad, it almost makes one forget that there is some decent, yet very poorly produced, material still on it. If it had been released as an EP minus the absolutely terrible tracks, I can't imagine it would be hated in the same way.
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« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2017, 09:58:15 AM »

I think the small SIP fanbase is the natural reaction to horrible reputation of SIP. They think "It can't be that bad" even taking in account songs like "summer of love"....

I like about half the album, but Summer of Love marks the absolute low point in the BB canon. 

I think that's about as far as anyone will go in defending it from what I've seen.  There's the odd youtube comment where someone proclaims it's their favorite album, but that's expected on that site.  I'm in the same boat as you in thinking there are about six decent songs on the album.  Some songs are hurt by the production more than others.  The only songs I listen to with somewhat regularity are Lahaina Aloha, Strange Things Happen and the live version of Summer in Paradise.  As rab said, it packs a lot of energy and you don't have the bad production of the studio version. 


There's an okay EP buried in SIP. Like a 4 or (if feeling generous) 5 song EP. But the bad stuff is *so* bad, it almost makes one forget that there is some decent, yet very poorly produced, material still on it. If it had been released as an EP minus the absolutely terrible tracks, I can't imagine it would be hated in the same way.

It's too bad Brian wasn't around the band at this time.  You could have swapped in some of the rejected Sweet Insanity songs. 
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« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2017, 08:32:35 PM »

Our best bet is to define "polarizing" as those records that sent the group off into the wilderness surrounded by fully sprouted seeds of doubt.

If you define it that way, it's clear that Smiley Smile and Love You are the two most polarizing. Both critics and fans were confused by Smiley at the time, and that was a lingering effect despite the intense cult that built up around it. It left people unable to process the set of changes that came after it, and it's only fifty years later where a consensual counter-narrative is gaining significant strength to elevate Wild Honey to greater esteem.

Critics loved Love You because they heard the quirks and shards of Brian Wilson in the material and wanted to create/extend that narrative (do we call it a "meme" these days??), but the fans (even those who'd soldiered through the 67-73 period and had greeted 15BO with stony silence in hope that the next record would bring things more "on track") were divided by what they heard. Unfortunately the LPs subsequent to Love You did not come close to matching what followed Smiley Smile, and this created a semi-permanent malaise mitigated briefly by "Kokomo" (though it, too, was polarizing despite its popularity...) and that lingered around the remnants of the band until TWGMTR, a collection that was--ironically--more universally admired by the casual fan than the long-term die-hard.
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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2017, 05:08:17 AM »

Endless Summer. Just when the boys were continuing to try new things this awesome 'greatest hits' album comes out and pretty much reintroduces the public to what an amazing band the Beach Boys are and forces the band to become an 'oldies' touring act to appease them. Such a double-edged sword, that album.
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« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2017, 10:32:49 AM »

Summer in Paradise is one huge pile of dog sh*t. Anyone that says they like it is merely trolling.

I like most - not all - of it, and did when I first got it 24 years ago. Sorry, not trolling, just a fan since 1962 and long-time member of this board. Sorry to have a different view than you, but that's life.
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« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2017, 02:13:53 PM »

Love You is the obvious contender but I think M.I.U gets a lot of flack along with L.A
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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2017, 12:07:46 PM »

Starting to think it may be Wild Honey!  Some on here are attempting to turn it into another Pet Sounds, while others think it is kind of a slight, ho hum effort, competent but hardly great....
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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2017, 12:43:13 PM »

And some of us actually think it's a better album than PS (yes, really)! I'm not trolling, either -- just not as big a fan of PS as many others are. It ranks somewhere in the middle of the catalog for me. Your mileage may, and probably will, vary and that's OK with me.

OTOH, I don't think PS is overrated, because it's been so influential.

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