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« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2017, 12:33:28 PM »



[img width=466 height=350]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/bbh2_zpsrvhwk5k8.jpg]

In Hawaii Jim Lockert engineered, Bill Halverson and Dale Manquen assisted.

So disappointed there isn't enough of a push for the album from Capitol.
I'm dying to transfer the 16mm original footage to hi-def.
These shots came from a really poor transfer for American Band many, many years ago
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« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2017, 01:10:16 PM »

BW is rocking the prototype of his 2017 Hawaii look! Cool

I know, right? That first picture he looks like his modern day self with a wig...I did a doubletake
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« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2017, 02:22:58 PM »



[img width=466 height=350]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/bbh2_zpsrvhwk5k8.jpg]

In Hawaii Jim Lockert engineered, Bill Halverson and Dale Manquen assisted.

So disappointed there isn't enough of a push for the album from Capitol.
I'm dying to transfer the 16mm original footage to hi-def.
These shots came from a really poor transfer for American Band many, many years ago

How many hours do you think you might have of BB-related 16mm (and 8mm, etc.) footage? Perhaps a Kickstarter sort of thing to fund the HD transfer of the footage for a Blu-ray release could be done. I'd gladly pay in some money for a Blu-ray, and perhaps, and since I'm guessing some or most of it doesn't have sound (or even if it does), the perfect complement could be a "Commentary" track from you and maybe Howie Edelson?
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« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2017, 02:24:41 PM »

Those Hawaiian clips are great in American family. Imagine them in HD! Smokin
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« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2017, 06:52:58 PM »



[img width=466 height=350]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/bbh2_zpsrvhwk5k8.jpg]

In Hawaii Jim Lockert engineered, Bill Halverson and Dale Manquen assisted.

So disappointed there isn't enough of a push for the album from Capitol.
I'm dying to transfer the 16mm original footage to hi-def.
These shots came from a really poor transfer for American Band many, many years ago

That's where I ripped them from, and a fairly poor quality transfer of AB at that. It was all that was available. I went frame by frame when I was researching the Hawaii concerts and other 66-67 recording studio history looking for clues and other hidden images. In the AB film those scenes of the recording setup I clipped are blink and miss. But what was on there turned out to be what was - to my knowledge - the only available visual record of Jim Lockert actually working with Brian and the band either recording or mixing in '67. It was also some of the only known footage of Jim Lockert period, apart from various photos of him in the old UA newsletters. Very few people knew what Jim actually looked like, and there hiding in the AB doc was film of him working that custom Frank DiMedio board which Heider had shipped to Hawaii for the concerts, at that time the most state of the art mobile recording rig available in LA. Historic stuff.

I second the hope that someday this footage and the other surrounding footage like the reel of Brian at Western mixing with Chuck on 8 track will be transferred to HD. It needs to be seen. Recall that the Western footage also revealed that Brian was indeed running 8 tracks at Western with Chuck at a time when it was assumed he was only working at Columbia with 8 track tape machines.

Another frustration is that years ago, somehow a full unedited clip of the Hawaii 16mm film showing mostly the concert shots mysteriously appeared on one of the standard stock footage repository sites. It had a time code strip, but it looked like a full run of the Hawaii film footage. There was also other BB related material on the same stock footage site, but the Hawaii material was key. I was still on a dialup connection where I was, and ripping it wasn't too easy. When I went back to look again, it had been removed. And it hasn't been seen since.

It seemed like the raw footage edited into the AB project somehow got uploaded as stock footage to this site, then the choice material like Hawaii 67 was pulled down. I always wondered how that all came to be.



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« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2017, 10:20:37 AM »



[img width=466 height=350]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/bbh2_zpsrvhwk5k8.jpg]

In Hawaii Jim Lockert engineered, Bill Halverson and Dale Manquen assisted.

So disappointed there isn't enough of a push for the album from Capitol.
I'm dying to transfer the 16mm original footage to hi-def.
These shots came from a really poor transfer for American Band many, many years ago

That's where I ripped them from, and a fairly poor quality transfer of AB at that. It was all that was available. I went frame by frame when I was researching the Hawaii concerts and other 66-67 recording studio history looking for clues and other hidden images. In the AB film those scenes of the recording setup I clipped are blink and miss. But what was on there turned out to be what was - to my knowledge - the only available visual record of Jim Lockert actually working with Brian and the band either recording or mixing in '67. It was also some of the only known footage of Jim Lockert period, apart from various photos of him in the old UA newsletters. Very few people knew what Jim actually looked like, and there hiding in the AB doc was film of him working that custom Frank DiMedio board which Heider had shipped to Hawaii for the concerts, at that time the most state of the art mobile recording rig available in LA. Historic stuff.

I second the hope that someday this footage and the other surrounding footage like the reel of Brian at Western mixing with Chuck on 8 track will be transferred to HD. It needs to be seen. Recall that the Western footage also revealed that Brian was indeed running 8 tracks at Western with Chuck at a time when it was assumed he was only working at Columbia with 8 track tape machines.

Another frustration is that years ago, somehow a full unedited clip of the Hawaii 16mm film showing mostly the concert shots mysteriously appeared on one of the standard stock footage repository sites. It had a time code strip, but it looked like a full run of the Hawaii film footage. There was also other BB related material on the same stock footage site, but the Hawaii material was key. I was still on a dialup connection where I was, and ripping it wasn't too easy. When I went back to look again, it had been removed. And it hasn't been seen since.

It seemed like the raw footage edited into the AB project somehow got uploaded as stock footage to this site, then the choice material like Hawaii 67 was pulled down. I always wondered how that all came to be.




Man, I love your dedication and research!  Only wish the years hadn't frustrated me, and maybe then I'd have pulled together a documentary of my own by now...

As to your "frustration", I can explain.  My deal with Malcolm Leo, re: American Band, was to copy a certain number of minutes of my archival footage, but he was limited in the number of minutes he could use.  And our contract was a limited use license, that extended only to home video use.  (The contract was violated almost immediately, when he briefly released it as a feature!  But that's another story, for another day.)
Several years ago, I saw someone post a clip of footage that I own the rights to, albeit with time code.  I tracked down the source, and found that they were licensing several things, not just Beach Boys, for Malcolm.  I immediately contacted him, and he very quickly had everything taken down.  (I think he had hoped that I had disappeared forever...  guess what, I ain't going anywhere...  I'm here for the long haul).

Hope this helps alleviate your frustration, keep up the good work, and hang in there.  These things will eventually see the light of day.
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« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2017, 10:31:20 AM »

Now that's some interesting stuff!
How much of the Hawaii shows did you film, Ed?
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« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2017, 08:15:52 PM »

Ed met Dennis in oct 1968 when they played the Fillmore. He didn't film the Hawaii footage. He was just explaining that Malcolm leased a lot of footage including 1970s films that he shot-for example the American band documentary has the footage ed shot of Dennis to promote Pacific Ocean blue in 1977.
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« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2017, 09:18:34 AM »

Ah ok, thanks. Misunderstood that
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« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2017, 11:08:39 AM »

Just read the set lists. At least a Beach Boys song got played that weekend. Johnny Rivers opened with "Help Me Rhonda."



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For the complete set list I refer you to this link >>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterey_Pop_Festival_(set_list)

For information on bands that accepted and performed AND for bands that were invited but declined or no-shows, I refer you to this link >>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterey_Pop_Festival


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« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2017, 11:14:35 AM »

The footage of Brian at Western with 8 track - do we have a date for that film?
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« Reply #61 on: July 02, 2017, 12:08:32 PM »

The footage of Brian at Western with 8 track - do we have a date for that film?


Not an exact date yet - But this link and some old links quoted there give the whole story as far as trying to do detective work on that Western film and trying to pinpoint a more exact date using the still frames I posted.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,23292.25.html

It could be late November into December 1966 based on Carl reading that German magazine cover dated Sept '66, as the band had just returned from their European tour including stops in Germany...or it could be January '67 when all the studio activity picked up on a more regular basis. Or it could be earlier, around the time of the GV promo filming, maybe October '66.

It really is a mystery!
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« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2017, 12:09:53 PM »

Having now listened to the Lei'd in Hawaii-album, I will say what I have said with regards to the Hawaii shows for a while: I think such a set would probably have gone on very well for the Beach Boys. Probably wouldn't have hurt if they were a little cleaner and rehearsed and of course have Bruce + Brian with them. But yes, I can see them doing fine. Imagine what it must've been like to have the Beach Boys in all their vocal glory singing this version of "God only knows" on stage.


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