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« Reply #1400 on: January 18, 2018, 08:32:19 AM »

I donít want to offend anyone by saying this, but Iím gonna give my honest opinion on the SDT song: the whole song sounds like a joke to the point of insincerity - I donít know what Mikeís/the guyís intentions were with the song, and Iím not calling them insincere, but the song sounds insincere. Youíve got sirens wailing, Mike sounding like heís yelling into a megaphone, the lyrics are pretty bad, and yet some of the lyrics are directly about an event that left 4 students shot and killed.

To me, itís like if Coldplay were to release a song with bells, sirens, megaphones, cheesy lyrics, in the aftermath of the Charlottesville riot that left one person killed. It would be in really poor taste.

At least with ĎTake A Load Off Your Feetí you can find sincerity in it, itís hilarious that Brianís biggest problem he could write about at that time was foot issues. But itís honest in its own childlike way, even though I donít care for the song at all.

But with SDT that backing track/effects are on par with Loop De Loop and considering the serious nature of some of the lyrics it makes me cringe whenever I hear it. And this isnít a knock at the quality of the recording or those who worked on it, Itís problably one of those things you had to be there for to understand. But from my perspective I just donít get it.

I can see how you might think that.  I'm not so certain that the nature of the song or lyrics really reflect insincerity.  I think the intention was anger at how demonstrators were treated (ie. Kent State).   Honestly, I think the lyrics are somewhat poorly written (ie . "A bachelor of bullets") and can come off insincere, but I don't think that was the intent. 

However, with Feet, I think the only redeeming quality of that song is that it's mercifully brief.  If it wasn't good enough to appear on Sunflower, I'm not sure why they thought it was good enough to appear on Surf's Up.  And the fact that it made the album while WIBNTLA languished in the vaults for over 40 years is mindblowing. 

Yeah, I donít think the intent was insincere, but the song just sounds insincere...which is why I think it gets a lot of, understandable from my point of view, flack.

Totally agreed about Feet.
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« Reply #1401 on: January 18, 2018, 08:42:24 AM »

I donít want to offend anyone by saying this, but Iím gonna give my honest opinion on the SDT song: the whole song sounds like a joke to the point of insincerity - I donít know what Mikeís/the guyís intentions were with the song, and Iím not calling them insincere, but the song sounds insincere. Youíve got sirens wailing, Mike sounding like heís yelling into a megaphone, the lyrics are pretty bad, and yet some of the lyrics are directly about an event that left 4 students shot and killed.

To me, itís like if Coldplay were to release a song with bells, sirens, megaphones, cheesy lyrics, in the aftermath of the Charlottesville riot that left one person killed. It would be in really poor taste.

At least with ĎTake A Load Off Your Feetí you can find sincerity in it, itís hilarious that Brianís biggest problem he could write about at that time was foot issues. But itís honest in its own childlike way, even though I donít care for the song at all.

But with SDT that backing track/effects are on par with Loop De Loop and considering the serious nature of some of the lyrics it makes me cringe whenever I hear it. And this isnít a knock at the quality of the recording or those who worked on it, Itís problably one of those things you had to be there for to understand. But from my perspective I just donít get it.

I can see how you might think that.  I'm not so certain that the nature of the song or lyrics really reflect insincerity.  I think the intention was anger at how demonstrators were treated (ie. Kent State).   Honestly, I think the lyrics are somewhat poorly written (ie . "A bachelor of bullets") and can come off insincere, but I don't think that was the intent. 

However, with Feet, I think the only redeeming quality of that song is that it's mercifully brief.  If it wasn't good enough to appear on Sunflower, I'm not sure why they thought it was good enough to appear on Surf's Up.  And the fact that it made the album while WIBNTLA languished in the vaults for over 40 years is mindblowing. 

Yeah, I donít think the intent was insincere, but the song just sounds insincere...which is why I think it gets a lot of, understandable from my point of view, flack.

Totally agreed about Feet.

Fair enough. 

Though I must say, and I'm not sure if this was intentional, having SDT sandwiched between Disney Girls and Feel Flows is perfect sequencing. 
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« Reply #1402 on: January 18, 2018, 08:45:58 AM »

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Today's song is nice. Besides, I agree with Mr. Desper's analysis when he explained the lyrics makes sense. Mike's megaphone/ loud speaker declaration is cool effect. 2.
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« Reply #1403 on: January 18, 2018, 08:55:33 AM »

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Today's song is nice. Besides, I agree with Mr. Desper's analysis when he explained the lyrics makes sense. Mike's megaphone/ loud speaker declaration is cool effect. 2.

@RangeRover, could you point me in the direction of what Desper said? Or give me a brief synopsis? Thanks much!
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« Reply #1404 on: January 18, 2018, 09:22:05 AM »

By typing various key words, it led to this write-up:

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There is no right nor wrong in art, only preference.   But I would take issue with you on saying the production values are sloppy, just because you don't like the sound of a megaphone or sirens. The production values of this song are just as strong, and more complex, than other songs on the Surf's Up album.

If you lived through the 60s, the civil riots, the unrest, the antiwar demonstrations, the crowds of unruly students in the streets, with hundreds of young soldiers dieing every day -- every day, and in-depth TV coverage of people being shot at close range coming into our living rooms every night, you might have more understanding of "the why and wherefore" of the song being part of a surf album. 

Yes, Michael is very correct in stating his concerns. He was seeing all this going on in Santa Barbara, CA where he lived. It was in his front yard. It was in all our lives. It was a sick time. The country was sick. And much of it was needless.

So Michael was moved to write a song about war protest. His approach was to offer vocal advice to the listener as to what to do when you may be caught up in one of these civil unrests -- so as not to get killed.  Remember Kent State was still in the news when the lyrics were written.

Production Values.  The tonal picture Michael wished to paint OR the setting he wanted use to present his song did give me a challenge to keep production values at their standards and still make a listenable song.

Picture Michael speaking to a crowd of students that are in a rally, in a school yard, surrounded by school buildings and administration structures. He is speaking to them using a PA system and the reflection of his speech is bouncing off of the buildings. There is also other activity and antiwar demonstrations taking place. the sirens are moving around the school yard builds and can be heard around you.

Unfortunately, the sound picture colapes fairly flat in stereo. When you hear this song properly (with Matrix resolution) the production makes more sense. You do get a sense of the school yard space and the buildings sound further removed. The sirens move around the room, not just side to side. The lyric message remains the same, but the production values put into the sound-picture are more easily heard and appreciated.

Some day soon you will hear what I mean.  Until then,

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« Reply #1405 on: January 18, 2018, 09:30:30 AM »

By typing various key words, it led to this write-up:

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There is no right nor wrong in art, only preference.   But I would take issue with you on saying the production values are sloppy, just because you don't like the sound of a megaphone or sirens. The production values of this song are just as strong, and more complex, than other songs on the Surf's Up album.

If you lived through the 60s, the civil riots, the unrest, the antiwar demonstrations, the crowds of unruly students in the streets, with hundreds of young soldiers dieing every day -- every day, and in-depth TV coverage of people being shot at close range coming into our living rooms every night, you might have more understanding of "the why and wherefore" of the song being part of a surf album. 

Yes, Michael is very correct in stating his concerns. He was seeing all this going on in Santa Barbara, CA where he lived. It was in his front yard. It was in all our lives. It was a sick time. The country was sick. And much of it was needless.

So Michael was moved to write a song about war protest. His approach was to offer vocal advice to the listener as to what to do when you may be caught up in one of these civil unrests -- so as not to get killed.  Remember Kent State was still in the news when the lyrics were written.

Production Values.  The tonal picture Michael wished to paint OR the setting he wanted use to present his song did give me a challenge to keep production values at their standards and still make a listenable song.

Picture Michael speaking to a crowd of students that are in a rally, in a school yard, surrounded by school buildings and administration structures. He is speaking to them using a PA system and the reflection of his speech is bouncing off of the buildings. There is also other activity and antiwar demonstrations taking place. the sirens are moving around the school yard builds and can be heard around you.

Unfortunately, the sound picture colapes fairly flat in stereo. When you hear this song properly (with Matrix resolution) the production makes more sense. You do get a sense of the school yard space and the buildings sound further removed. The sirens move around the room, not just side to side. The lyric message remains the same, but the production values put into the sound-picture are more easily heard and appreciated.

Some day soon you will hear what I mean.  Until then,

Good Listening,
  ~Stephen W. Desper

Interesting, now I want to hear that siren effect (which always sounds off to me) with the resolution Mr. Desper's referring to. 

I've never really minded the bullhorn treatment on Mike's lead.
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« Reply #1406 on: January 18, 2018, 09:34:21 AM »

Thanks much! Iíll listen to it again with all that in mind - amazing how many beach boys songs can be more understood or entrancing when you read about the history of them.

Like I said, I guess I had to be there to understand the perspective...but this explanation helps.
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« Reply #1407 on: January 18, 2018, 09:39:11 AM »

I hope Mr. Desper doesn't mind my adding his quote (There is no right or wrong in art, only preference) to my signature

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« Reply #1408 on: January 19, 2018, 12:46:49 AM »

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« Reply #1409 on: January 19, 2018, 12:47:37 AM »

Today's song is Feel Flows.
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« Reply #1410 on: January 19, 2018, 07:43:32 AM »

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"Feel Flows" - liked reading back then that Carl played many instruments. Adds cool factor to the song. 3.
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« Reply #1411 on: January 20, 2018, 01:21:14 AM »

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« Reply #1412 on: January 20, 2018, 01:21:53 AM »

Today's song is Lookin' At Tomorrow.
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« Reply #1413 on: January 20, 2018, 08:52:39 PM »

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"Lookin' At Tomorrow" - big fave! The "ba ba" bit that Al sings with great sense of rhythm is coolly cool & catchy as hell! 3D 5.
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« Reply #1414 on: January 21, 2018, 12:06:07 AM »

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« Reply #1415 on: January 21, 2018, 12:06:41 AM »

Today's song is A Day In The Life of A Tree.
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« Reply #1416 on: January 21, 2018, 02:48:54 AM »

Today's song is A Day In The Life of A Tree.

Curses. In the general mayhem I omitted to vote for "SDT", "FF" and "LAT(AWS)", all of which would have got a five from me. The worst part is that "Feel Flows" is one of my all-time favourite BB/CW songs.

"Tree" gets a five on time. What an extraordinary, quirky song----and more proof that deep sadness doesn't need to be expressed in a minor key. Jack's voice is right on target. 
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« Reply #1417 on: January 21, 2018, 03:08:22 AM »

The end of this song is one of the saddest moments in their history, in a good way. The whole thing was kind of a surprise to me when I first heard it - lousy lead vocal, booming organ. Jackís vocal is exactly what this song needed, especially comparatively with the extraordinary vocals at the end.
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« Reply #1418 on: January 21, 2018, 04:10:50 AM »

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« Reply #1419 on: January 21, 2018, 06:19:07 AM »

Glad to see people appreciating this song.
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« Reply #1420 on: January 21, 2018, 07:09:28 AM »

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It isn't GDP singing. It's Jack Rieley.
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« Reply #1421 on: January 21, 2018, 07:29:41 AM »

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5. I'm glad Al made history to be in this song, even if it's cameo. 3D Btw, Van Dyke's bizarre voice fits as well.
It isn't GDP singing. It's Jack Rieley.

I think she's referring to the coda which Van Dyke sings on.
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« Reply #1422 on: January 21, 2018, 11:21:13 PM »

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« Reply #1423 on: January 21, 2018, 11:21:54 PM »

Today's song is 'Til I Die.
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« Reply #1424 on: January 22, 2018, 02:11:30 AM »

Today's song is 'Til I Die.

Just about as good as it gets, not least in the "less is more" department. One of the reasons Surf's Up is my favourite album.

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