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« Reply #75 on: December 24, 2015, 02:17:39 PM »

Pretty Funky - I'm not well versed on the terms of the agreement MELECO has with BRI, I always thought it was 25 percent on the first million of revenue and 15 percent there after.  AGD or the mods I'm sure would have better insight!

20% and 17.5%... but those were the figures in 1999.

Also, now that his "facts" about the pay have been refuted by two sources, maybe Jim He... l mean, surf patrol would like to say something ?

Gross or net? Big difference! Either way, Mike gets back 25% of that as he owns a quarter of the shares of BRI.
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« Reply #76 on: December 24, 2015, 04:38:37 PM »

Gross, as l recall.
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« Reply #77 on: December 24, 2015, 07:48:58 PM »


Love pays the band members $200 / show plus $50 a day food allowance.  End of Story.


Well, now we know why Foskett and Ike left BW's band ... and why ML's band sees so little turnover ... what highly talented musician in their right mind could pass up $200 per show, not to mention an additional $50/day food allowance?



Nonsense.  The Beach Boys are getting $75,000 + per show.  Those guys are not making $250.00 per show.  Hell, I made $200.00 plus free drinks last Saturday playing at a small supper club in the middle of Wisconsin.  $250.00  LOL


My post was intended to be humorous.


Oh, I know.  I was responding to the OP, and yours got lumped in.  My apologies, sir.  Merry Christmas.


No prob, just wanted to make sure no one was thinking I thought $200 per show was a great deal for the backing band. I had considered putting a
 LOL after my statement, "Well, now we know why Foskett and Ike left BW's band ... and why ML's band sees so little turnover ... what highly talented musician in their right mind could pass up $200 per show, not to mention an additional $50/day food allowance?" but decided it would come across too much like I was laughing at my own facetious joke.

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« Reply #78 on: December 24, 2015, 08:34:48 PM »

I liked Randall and Adrian both. But both had a more Frankie Vallie style of falsetto where Jeff and Brian sound more like Brian Wilson (as does Matt Jardine). Frank had a more nasal whine in his voice. Brian's was rich and full.
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« Reply #79 on: December 24, 2015, 08:49:14 PM »

Guys I just want to put something on the record.  I know for a fact the members of the touring band as recently as 2014 are paid at least 700.00 USD per show.  They are also given a daily 50 dollar cash stipend, the only time they are not given a cash stipend is the few times a year they stay at a casino that has a hotel where they can eat and charge it to the room.  Also the band requires 50,000.00 USD to come and do a show.  If you want to book the Endless summer band (the band minus BJ) that is 25,000.00, subsequently ESB the per show is half of a BB per show.
Good Intel. Now find out what Bruce makes and report back.
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« Reply #80 on: December 24, 2015, 08:59:46 PM »

Since we've been bantering about backing band incomes, I brought out the calculator and considered the number of shows and the average take on a venue.  I am guessing the band members do quite well money wise.   but there is a price to pay for being on the road for 180 shows a year all over the planet.      Lots of money is being made and after ALL expenses including original members family takes, Crew, touring costs, venue cuts, etc., the back ip performers in the touring band could be making between 250k and 500 k.   After taxes well over 125,000 each.    Not bad but I don't think I would do it for that.  
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« Reply #81 on: December 24, 2015, 09:59:52 PM »

Care to show how you got those figures ?
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« Reply #82 on: December 24, 2015, 10:37:09 PM »

Gross, as l recall.

Then it all sounds fair enough. The band works hard, no denying that!
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« Reply #83 on: December 24, 2015, 10:57:19 PM »

I liked Randall and Adrian both. But both had a more Frankie Vallie style of falsetto where Jeff and Brian sound more like Brian Wilson (as does Matt Jardine). Frank had a more nasal whine in his voice. Brian's was rich and full.

But it's interesting that Kirsche was replaced around a year after Foskett was already there.

While Foskett doesn't have Adrian's Valli whine, I've never thought he sounded much like Brian Wilson. I think Ike and Matt are closer, especially Matt. The only person I've ever thought truly sounded very close to Brian would be some of Al's vocals from the 60s.
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« Reply #84 on: December 25, 2015, 06:34:51 AM »

Since we've been bantering about backing band incomes, I brought out the calculator and considered the number of shows and the average take on a venue.  I am guessing the band members do quite well money wise.   but there is a price to pay for being on the road for 180 shows a year all over the planet.      Lots of money is being made and after ALL expenses including original members family takes, Crew, touring costs, venue cuts, etc., the back ip performers in the touring band could be making between 250k and 500 k.   After taxes well over 125,000 each.    Not bad but I don't think I would do it for that.  

I too would be interested to see how this was calculated.  Even at $1,000 per show the annualized earnings for a backing musician playing 180 shows would be $180,000. I doubt very seriously that the backing musicians get a percentage take of the "gate."  And since the musicians are paid per show as opposed to being salaried, if they miss 10 shows a year due to illness, family obligations, etc., that day's pay would go to a substitute, or would not be paid out at all if the band decided to play a man short.

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« Reply #85 on: December 25, 2015, 08:07:48 AM »

I liked Randall and Adrian both. But both had a more Frankie Vallie style of falsetto where Jeff and Brian sound more like Brian Wilson (as does Matt Jardine). Frank had a more nasal whine in his voice. Brian's was rich and full.

But it's interesting that Kirsche was replaced around a year after Foskett was already there.

While Foskett doesn't have Adrian's Valli whine, I've never thought he sounded much like Brian Wilson. I think Ike and Matt are closer, especially Matt. The only person I've ever thought truly sounded very close to Brian would be some of Al's vocals from the 60s.

Yeah, Matt is the only one who sounds like Brian. I always thought Foskett and Kirsch actually sound very alike -- one reason I think it a shame Randell left. They blended  very well.
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« Reply #86 on: December 25, 2015, 08:17:07 AM »

The Totten/Kirsch/Bonhomme/Cowsill/Christian Love setup was probably the tightest that the Mike and Bruce band ever was.
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« Reply #87 on: December 25, 2015, 08:19:18 AM »

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Nice try, Jim...  but editing out your previous, incorrect  posts doesn't work when others have quoted them.  Grin
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« Reply #88 on: December 25, 2015, 08:23:52 AM »

The beautiful feel when someone with an axe to grind is utterly demolished with actual information...

Still not cool to talk about another man's wife like that, guys.
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« Reply #89 on: December 25, 2015, 08:39:13 AM »

The Totten/Kirsch/Bonhomme/Cowsill/Christian Love setup was probably the tightest that the Mike and Bruce band ever was.

I disagree -- I think Jeff is a major improvement over Christian,  who often seemed bored. The replacement of Randell by Brian Eichenberger seems a less obvious improvement though, but he's not noticeably *less* good than Randell either. So the 2014 and 2015 shows I've seen were by far the best musically.
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« Reply #90 on: December 25, 2015, 08:40:38 AM »

I haven't seen the band since last December: at that time, Jeff was singing the falsettos with Randell singing a midrange part. With Randell out and Ike in, what's the configuration now: does Ike do the falsettos and Jeff sing a midrange part, or do they split them, or what?
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« Reply #91 on: December 25, 2015, 08:42:15 AM »

I think what we have learned here today is that the backing band members are *definitely* paid somewhere between minimum wage and a million dollars a year, almost certainly, and that a lot of people like to make definitive statements of fact about other people's business.
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« Reply #92 on: December 25, 2015, 08:46:42 AM »

I haven't seen the band since last December: at that time, Jeff was singing the falsettos with Randall singing a midrange part. With Randall out and Ike in, what's the configuration now: does Ike do the falsettos and Jeff sing a midrange part, or do they split them, or what?

When I saw them in May/June, *just* after "Ike" had started, he was mostly singing the same parts that Randell was singing in 2014 (and that Christian sang before that), but took over Jeff's part in Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring. He also wasn't singing on every song -- presumably because he hadn't learned them all yet.
But also, on the second of the two shows I saw, I *think* Jeff was having some voice trouble (he sounded a little hoarse early on, and Cowsill took back the lead on Darlin' that night), and "Ike" took over some of the falsetto parts (though Jeff still sang the major falsetto leads).
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« Reply #93 on: December 25, 2015, 10:18:23 AM »

I really really feel like Scotty T has done an awesome awesome job bring this band back into form after the 2007 personnel changes.  But in just preferences I agree with Historical Pistol Whip on the Kirsch/Love/Cowsill/Bonhomme/Totten configuration was my favorite.  Christian Love had some great vocal capabilities that never really got to shine through though, at points he had some tonality that sounded freakishly like Carl.  I can remember hearing him sing God Only Knows one night in a private setting and i was just floored with how remarkable it was. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Qe0dZPJKo
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« Reply #94 on: December 25, 2015, 01:33:26 PM »

I really really feel like Scotty T has done an awesome awesome job bring this band back into form after the 2007 personnel changes.  But in just preferences I agree with Historical Pistol Whip on the Kirsch/Love/Cowsill/Bonhomme/Totten configuration was my favorite.  Christian Love had some great vocal capabilities that never really got to shine through though, at points he had some tonality that sounded freakishly like Carl.  I can remember hearing him sing God Only Knows one night in a private setting and i was just floored with how remarkable it was. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Qe0dZPJKo

I just noticed watching the video how Christian's hand doesn't move on the guitar.  He 'plays' the same chord for the whole song.  His voice is good but the closest he's sounded to Carl was on the 'Brian's Back' remake. I agree that he looked 'bored' on stage.  Maybe his way was just to blend in, a bit more introverted than his Dad.
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« Reply #95 on: December 25, 2015, 03:02:35 PM »

I really really feel like Scotty T has done an awesome awesome job bring this band back into form after the 2007 personnel changes.  But in just preferences I agree with Historical Pistol Whip on the Kirsch/Love/Cowsill/Bonhomme/Totten configuration was my favorite.  Christian Love had some great vocal capabilities that never really got to shine through though, at points he had some tonality that sounded freakishly like Carl.  I can remember hearing him sing God Only Knows one night in a private setting and i was just floored with how remarkable it was. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Qe0dZPJKo

Christian, when he was on form, could sound great. But there were times when he didn't seem like his heart was in it, which never seems the case with Jeff.
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« Reply #96 on: December 25, 2015, 03:04:46 PM »

Roll Eyes



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« Reply #97 on: December 25, 2015, 03:17:58 PM »

No, no, no... not you. Jim Hennessey aka surf patrol.
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« Reply #98 on: December 25, 2015, 03:52:19 PM »

The Totten/Kirsch/Bonhomme/Cowsill/Christian Love setup was probably the tightest that the Mike and Bruce band ever was.

I disagree -- I think Jeff is a major improvement over Christian,  who often seemed bored. The replacement of Randell by Brian Eichenberger seems a less obvious improvement though, but he's not noticeably *less* good than Randell either. So the 2014 and 2015 shows I've seen were by far the best musically.

I have to say that I agree with this 100%.  I think the Kirsch/Christian lineup is very close, and I always greatly enjoyed those shows, but having Jeff back along with Ike just adds something extra for me.  The show I saw this past summer was easily my favorite Mike & Bruce show that I've ever seen, both performance and song selection-wise.  Honestly, it probably ties with the one C50 show that I saw for my favorite Beach Boys-related concert ever.  Incredible.
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« Reply #99 on: December 25, 2015, 04:05:07 PM »

@ Mikeddon I did some research on youtube and from what I can tell during the summer 2015 tours Foskett does not have a guitar on him during GOK!  My deduction is since Scott took over as musical director they do not use a rhythm guitar on GOK in the live performance.  To be honest I don't even know if GOK was originally recorded with any type or rhythm guitar!  Would love to find out if it was!
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