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« Reply #375 on: January 15, 2016, 11:53:34 AM »

And no GV video ever appeared until the one in 1968, with the guys in the white suits,

That was not a music video.
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« Reply #376 on: January 15, 2016, 11:56:33 AM »

They also featured Smile as one of the upcoming albums of note when they made a record to be sent to their salesmen and various rack-jobbers featuring Good Vibrations and with a narration saying, famously, "sure to sell a million copies...in January!"

I'm pretty sure the "million copies" referred to all the albums mentioned on the promo, not specifically Smile. My reasoning is that the instore stand up piece mentioned was for several albums, not just Smile.
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« Reply #377 on: January 15, 2016, 11:57:11 AM »

And no GV video ever appeared until the one in 1968, with the guys in the white suits,

That was not a music video.

It was from a variety show.  Maybe Mike Douglas or Merv Griffin.
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« Reply #378 on: January 15, 2016, 11:58:23 AM »

And no GV video ever appeared until the one in 1968, with the guys in the white suits,

That was not a music video.

It was from a variety show.  Maybe Mike Douglas or Merv Griffin.

Ed Sullivan. It wasn't a video, though.
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« Reply #379 on: January 15, 2016, 11:58:57 AM »


There was both official PR from Capitol and non-official buzz surrounding this upcoming album "with the Good Vibrations sound" while Good Vibrations was going to #1 on the singles charts.

I don't recall reading that anywhere but if it's true it certainly adds weight to the premise of this thread.
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« Reply #380 on: January 15, 2016, 12:05:14 PM »

And no GV video ever appeared until the one in 1968, with the guys in the white suits,
That was not a music video.
It was from a variety show.  Maybe Mike Douglas or Merv Griffin.
   

Ed Sullivan. It wasn't a video, though.

My bad.  I Can Hear Music '69 was on Mike Douglas.  He liked them.

No the video is clipped from the performance. 
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« Reply #381 on: January 15, 2016, 12:10:42 PM »


There was both official PR from Capitol and non-official buzz surrounding this upcoming album "with the Good Vibrations sound" while Good Vibrations was going to #1 on the singles charts.

I don't recall reading that anywhere but if it's true it certainly adds weight to the premise of this thread.

For those without LLVS, or The Billboard in question( is there anyone here like that?)
 It's on pages 16 & 17 of the Billboard and looks like this( perhaps a bit clearer than LLVS): 

 


    


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« Reply #382 on: January 15, 2016, 12:14:21 PM »

And CSM, I am still looking for all this promo heralding Smile.  Or even the promo on Pet Sounds.  Carl summed it up with what I quoted from Rusten/Stebbins, from 1970. Capitol didn't want them for their "creative group." The wanted hot rods and girls.

Domenic Priore along with a team of others filled their book "Look Listen Vibrate Smile" with pages full of promo and press heralding Smile. Ads were taken out in Billboard magazine advertising Smile featuring the Smile album cover. Capitol gave the Smile cover a full page, back cover ad promoting it's release in their Teen Set magazine which is where Priore got his book's title. Music press from the Disc & Music Echo to Song Hits to "Beat" to all the other teen music mags were featuring gossip and articles about the upcoming Smile album in Fall 1966 going into 1967.

Capitol had sales displays made up and sent to record shops for them to display, cardboard displays and posters too. They also featured Smile as one of the upcoming albums of note when they made a record to be sent to their salesmen and various rack-jobbers featuring Good Vibrations and with a narration saying, famously, "sure to sell a million copies...in January!"

The promo was there in 1966 going into 1967, the best source is Priore's LLVS which collects these examples. And some exist that didn't even make LLVS's pages.

There was both official PR from Capitol and non-official buzz surrounding this upcoming album "with the Good Vibrations sound" while Good Vibrations was going to #1 on the singles charts.
Yes, while that stuff was produced, many new bands were were over-taking the US by storm, marginalizing the BB's, and even if they sent out those cardboard displays, it was not a guarantee that they would be put up as displays in the record stores and just put the LP's out for sale.  It seemed to be up to the record store department manager and their music tastes.  (I'd love one as a souvenir - maybe I will find one on eBay?) 

And no GV video ever appeared until the one in 1968, with the guys in the white suits, that is still on Youtube about 18 months after it was a hit.  It seemed a "pile on"of not much media promo after Pet Sounds.   Wink

How does a book of close to 300 pages, roughly 3/4 of those pages filled with various media promo for and surrounding Smile from 1966 going into 1967, translate into "not much media promo"?
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« Reply #383 on: January 15, 2016, 12:18:28 PM »

Also - There were promo videos for GV that were shot in 1966, some of which were used on various UK and European shows like Beat Club (aired in Germany December 1966) and Ready Steady Go (aired in the UK, November 1966). Several variations of videos apparently existed, some using footage shot by Peter Whitehead who filmed the band's UK tour in fall '66, and others were possibly done using different edits or sequences.

And there was an official promo filmed by Brian in 1966 at the LA fire station (now the LAFD Fire Museum) with Caleb Deschanel behind the camera. Apparently that one was paid for by Capitol, according to some reports.
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« Reply #384 on: January 15, 2016, 12:21:38 PM »

They also featured Smile as one of the upcoming albums of note when they made a record to be sent to their salesmen and various rack-jobbers featuring Good Vibrations and with a narration saying, famously, "sure to sell a million copies...in January!"

I'm pretty sure the "million copies" referred to all the albums mentioned on the promo, not specifically Smile. My reasoning is that the instore stand up piece mentioned was for several albums, not just Smile.

That's why I worded it exactly as I did. "as one of the upcoming albums of note"
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« Reply #385 on: January 15, 2016, 12:25:06 PM »

And CSM, I am still looking for all this promo heralding Smile.  Or even the promo on Pet Sounds.  Carl summed it up with what I quoted from Rusten/Stebbins, from 1970. Capitol didn't want them for their "creative group." The wanted hot rods and girls.
Domenic Priore along with a team of others filled their book "Look Listen Vibrate Smile" with pages full of promo and press heralding Smile. Ads were taken out in Billboard magazine advertising Smile featuring the Smile album cover. Capitol gave the Smile cover a full page, back cover ad promoting it's release in their Teen Set magazine which is where Priore got his book's title. Music press from the Disc & Music Echo to Song Hits to "Beat" to all the other teen music mags were featuring gossip and articles about the upcoming Smile album in Fall 1966 going into 1967.

Capitol had sales displays made up and sent to record shops for them to display, cardboard displays and posters too. They also featured Smile as one of the upcoming albums of note when they made a record to be sent to their salesmen and various rack-jobbers featuring Good Vibrations and with a narration saying, famously, "sure to sell a million copies...in January!"

The promo was there in 1966 going into 1967, the best source is Priore's LLVS which collects these examples. And some exist that didn't even make LLVS's pages.

There was both official PR from Capitol and non-official buzz surrounding this upcoming album "with the Good Vibrations sound" while Good Vibrations was going to #1 on the singles charts.
Yes, while that stuff was produced, many new bands were were over-taking the US by storm, marginalizing the BB's, and even if they sent out those cardboard displays, it was not a guarantee that they would be put up as displays in the record stores and just put the LP's out for sale.  It seemed to be up to the record store department manager and their music tastes.  (I'd love one as a souvenir - maybe I will find one on eBay?)  

And no GV video ever appeared until the one in 1968, with the guys in the white suits, that is still on Youtube about 18 months after it was a hit.  It seemed a "pile on"of not much media promo after Pet Sounds.   Wink

How does a book of close to 300 pages, roughly 3/4 of those pages filled with various media promo for and surrounding Smile from 1966 going into 1967, translate into "not much media promo"?
So glad you asked.  It was never put out in any record stores that I went to, that had both book and record departments.   And, often, you would need to ask where a new LP was.  The prime spaces would have them in two places;  in the regular cases with the Beach Boys dividers, and separately in racks near the cash register, on prominent display.
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« Reply #386 on: January 15, 2016, 12:28:57 PM »


There was both official PR from Capitol and non-official buzz surrounding this upcoming album "with the Good Vibrations sound" while Good Vibrations was going to #1 on the singles charts.

I don't recall reading that anywhere but if it's true it certainly adds weight to the premise of this thread.

For those without LLVS, or The Billboard in question( is there anyone here like that?)
 It's on pages 16 & 17 of the Billboard and looks like this( perhaps a bit clearer than LLVS): 

 


    


I'm trading emails with Piers , in Canada, who swears his color Smile ad came from a January 1967 Billboard
GF - I would surely have been arrested for stealing that.  LOL
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« Reply #387 on: January 15, 2016, 12:33:41 PM »

And no GV video ever appeared until the one in 1968, with the guys in the white suits, that is still on Youtube...

You're entirely wrong about this, for there was a specific video shot for "GV", which the BBC used on Top Of The Pops in late 1966. Ask anyone whose known me long enough and they'll tell you that long before the footage in question was rediscovered, I was telling fellow fans about seeing a film that included Brian sliding UP a fire pole, and the band chasing a fire engine down the street. At first it was assumed this was a promo for the Fire Music, until it emerged that it was shot roughly a month before that session.
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« Reply #388 on: January 15, 2016, 12:41:30 PM »

And no GV video ever appeared until the one in 1968, with the guys in the white suits, that is still on Youtube...

You're entirely wrong about this, for there was a specific video shot for "GV", which the BBC used on Top Of The Pops in late 1966. Ask anyone whose known me long enough and they'll tell you that long before the footage in question was rediscovered, I was telling fellow fans about seeing a film that included Brian sliding UP a fire pole, and the band chasing a fire engine down the street. At first it was assumed this was a promo for the Fire Music, until it emerged that it was shot roughly a month before that session.
Andrew - was it released for use in the US? TV in the States was whatever you got over-the-air.

Music videos as such did not seem to be a thing until VH1 and MTV became entertainment business models, subsequent was Youtube and other video internet channels.   



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« Reply #389 on: January 15, 2016, 12:42:00 PM »

That is the firehouse promo film directed by Brian, filmed by Caleb Deschanel, and apparently paid for by Capitol.

I may have misspoke - Some say the Peter Whitehead GV promo was also aired on Top Of The Pops, and others aren't sure if they recall seeing similar footage aired on Ready Steady Go in Fall 1966.

But this is the Peter Whitehead video/film promo for Good Vibrations that DID air on Beat Club in December 1966:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhJlJsgNSNM
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« Reply #390 on: January 15, 2016, 12:50:47 PM »

That is the firehouse promo film directed by Brian, filmed by Caleb Deschanel, and apparently paid for by Capitol.

I may have misspoke - Some say the Peter Whitehead GV promo was also aired on Top Of The Pops, and others aren't sure if they recall seeing similar footage aired on Ready Steady Go in Fall 1966.

But this is the Peter Whitehead video/film promo for Good Vibrations that DID air on Beat Club in December 1966:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhJlJsgNSNM
That was cool.  Can't say I ever saw that.  They looked so young.

But, that is GV worked into the footage.   Wink

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« Reply #391 on: January 15, 2016, 12:54:04 PM »

That is the firehouse promo film directed by Brian, filmed by Caleb Deschanel, and apparently paid for by Capitol.

I may have misspoke - Some say the Peter Whitehead GV promo was also aired on Top Of The Pops, and others aren't sure if they recall seeing similar footage aired on Ready Steady Go in Fall 1966.

But this is the Peter Whitehead video/film promo for Good Vibrations that DID air on Beat Club in December 1966:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhJlJsgNSNM
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« Reply #392 on: January 15, 2016, 12:54:43 PM »

And no GV video ever appeared until the one in 1968, with the guys in the white suits, that is still on Youtube...

You're entirely wrong about this, for there was a specific video shot for "GV", which the BBC used on Top Of The Pops in late 1966. Ask anyone whose known me long enough and they'll tell you that long before the footage in question was rediscovered, I was telling fellow fans about seeing a film that included Brian sliding UP a fire pole, and the band chasing a fire engine down the street. At first it was assumed this was a promo for the Fire Music, until it emerged that it was shot roughly a month before that session.
Andrew - was it released for use in the US? TV in the States was whatever you got over-the-air.

Music videos as such did not seem to be a thing until VH1 and MTV became entertainment business models, subsequent was Youtube and other video internet channels.    

I don't know... but you stated that no such promo existed before 1968, and the fact is, it did. I saw it in late 1966 on British national TV when "GV" was being played.
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« Reply #393 on: January 15, 2016, 12:55:00 PM »

And this is the "firehouse" promo for GV that Brian made with Caleb Deschanel in Fall 66, the one Andrew remembers watching on TV and which, if you read the YouTube comments posted to the video, another fan also remembers seeing when they were in the 3rd grade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-YzG9NZrI0
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« Reply #394 on: January 15, 2016, 12:55:34 PM »

Great video of the BBs having fun! Grin
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« Reply #395 on: January 15, 2016, 01:01:13 PM »

Bringing it all together even more, who was one of the "stars" of that 1966 GV firehouse firehouse video, shown with and without a fire hat?




Jules Siegel!
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« Reply #396 on: January 15, 2016, 01:02:05 PM »

And this is the "firehouse" promo for GV that Brian made with Caleb Deschanel in Fall 66, the one Andrew remembers watching on TV and which, if you read the YouTube comments posted to the video, another fan also remembers seeing when they were in the 3rd grade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-YzG9NZrI0
That one I've seen several times. But, since you brought it up, is anyone observant enough to tell me who is whom when they are chasing and jumping on the back of the truck and later when some are ahead of the truck?
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« Reply #397 on: January 15, 2016, 01:03:06 PM »

Bringing it all together even more, who was one of the "stars" of that 1966 GV firehouse firehouse video, shown with and without a fire hat?




Jules Siegel!
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« Reply #398 on: January 15, 2016, 01:03:38 PM »

And no GV video ever appeared until the one in 1968, with the guys in the white suits, that is still on Youtube...

You're entirely wrong about this, for there was a specific video shot for "GV", which the BBC used on Top Of The Pops in late 1966. Ask anyone whose known me long enough and they'll tell you that long before the footage in question was rediscovered, I was telling fellow fans about seeing a film that included Brian sliding UP a fire pole, and the band chasing a fire engine down the street. At first it was assumed this was a promo for the Fire Music, until it emerged that it was shot roughly a month before that session.
Andrew - was it released for use in the US? TV in the States was whatever you got over-the-air.

Music videos as such did not seem to be a thing until VH1 and MTV became entertainment business models, subsequent was Youtube and other video internet channels.    

I don't know... but you stated that no such promo existed before 1968, and the fact is, it did. I saw it in late 1966 on British national TV when "GV" was being played.
Andrew - did a promo on TV run in the States during that time, post Pet Sounds?

Maybe something was run in the UK...
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« Reply #399 on: January 15, 2016, 01:04:19 PM »

Great stuff GF, Siegel was there for sure in the BW scene of 1966.
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