Mike's band

[AndrewHickey]

Whether the board did have an ignore function or not, it *could* do -- http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2299 . And yes, that would solve all the problems instantly.
The question is whether the mods have access to the back-end to install this. My guess, based on things like them not being able to access PMs, is that they can't, and only Charles LePage could. Which is a shame.

[Micha]

When I first joined the board, I was pretty enthusiastic and posting left and right about a variety of topics. Unfortunately, the overall tone of the board has become more toxic as the years go on, mainly because of trolling and/or people derailing the discussions in threads to bring up their own personal obsessions over and over and over again.

I feel exctly the same.

It got to the point where the toxicity of the board started to negatively impact my enjoyment of the music (silly, I know).

Silly? I don't think so. That's what happened to me when NPP came out and the board exploded with insults and hateful comments. Though none of them were directly adressed to me (at least none that I saw), the hate against people who were, like me, disappointed by the album affected me severely. How can I enjoy music which is loved by people who are insulting assholes? I had to take time off the board too.

There's been some perceptions told in some of the recent posts, which want to ask a question to guitarfool2002 which, as another poster suggested, he should answer calmly after spending the Thanksgiving weekend with his family.

Dear guitarfool2002, what exactly have reported PMs from the first half of the year to do with the ongoing discussion about the misconduct of a couple of posters? I don't get that either.

[Micha]

There's a degree of threadjacking* involved.

[* I may copyright this term]

Too late. Way too late. Unless it was you who introduced the term to the Wiktionary in 2006.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/threadjacking

[Andrew G. Doe]

Well... goshdarn it. 

[AdultContemporaryChild]

When I first joined the board, I was pretty enthusiastic and posting left and right about a variety of topics. Unfortunately, the overall tone of the board has become more toxic as the years go on, mainly because of trolling and/or people derailing the discussions in threads to bring up their own personal obsessions over and over and over again.

I feel exctly the same.

It got to the point where the toxicity of the board started to negatively impact my enjoyment of the music (silly, I know).

Silly? I don't think so. That's what happened to me when NPP came out and the board exploded with insults and hateful comments. Though none of them were directly adressed to me (at least none that I saw), the hate against people who were, like me, disappointed by the album affected me severely. How can I enjoy music which is loved by people who are insulting assholes? I had to take time off the board too.

No Pier Pressure is so bad it makes Pet Sounds stink.

[Micha]

No Pier Pressure is so bad it makes Pet Sounds stink.

What is that supposed to mean? 

[Andrew G. Doe]

Beats me, and English is my first language (OK, after fluent bollocks when required).

[The Shift]

I don’t get it. I thought the issue we were discussing and so many of us are asking the mods for help with is the fact that we have a couple of members who are constantly posting stuff all over the board, whenever Mike Love is mentioned, that contributes nothing to the discussion at hand, but instead falls under the definition of trolling.

But then Guitarfool posts something about a couple of PMs from months ago. I don’t know what that’s all about, and at this point I really don’t care. I’m just one of many who would like some relief from the trollish pollution that is seriously damaging the integrity of this board.

It’s the lack of moderator action in that regard that has so many of us frustrated. If the “old” poster (who’s probably around my age, btw) doesn’t like Mike Love, that fine, but if so, express your opinion like an adult, with logical reasoning, rather than constantly clogging up the board with name calling, insults, and tons of “woots” just about every time Mike Love is mentioned. Constant posts in that regard are nothing but trolling.

I also agree that the board rules posted by Charles LePage 10 years ago concerning the moderators access to PMs (which are officially referred to as “Personal Messages” on the mailbox page) and the info posted by Craig are contradictory and should be rewritten to reflect the current reality.

+1

+2 (or is it 3?)

[Lee Marshall]

Really!!!  The whole idea of what's absolutely necessary in terms of what HAS to be done to right this ship gets highjacked by a moderator?  The people who need to be assisted in 'changing' their modus operandi get replaced with Andrew who becomes 'the immediate problem'?  WTF!!!!!!!

Sorry that is so clearly not what's required here and NOW.  Yet obviously something HAS to be done.   Typing about this...reading all of this...and all the onging BS which caused this???...is NOT what I signed up for.

Again...Moderators...GET TO WORK!!!!!!!!

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

Really!!!  The whole idea of what's absolutely necessary in terms of what HAS to be done to right this ship gets highjacked by a moderator?  The people who need to be assisted in 'changing' their modus operandi get replaced with Andrew who becomes 'the immediate problem'?  WTF!!!!!!!

Sorry that is so clearly not what's required here and NOW.  Yet obviously something HAS to be done.   Typing about this...reading all of this...and all the onging BS which caused this???...is NOT what I signed up for.

Again...Moderators...GET TO WORK!!!!!!!!

It was my understanding that you were taking a hiatus, a cruise, a leave of absence  from here. Couldn't wait to get back into it, huh?

[clack]

Why are we talking about PMs ?

This is a Beach Boys discussion board. Mike Love is of central importance to the Beach Boys story. Therefore, Mike Love must be discussed on this board. But he can't be, because any mention of his name brings out the trolls, those who add nothing to the discussion but the same repetitive, unreasoned, crude expressions of dislike. Therefore, at its core, smiley smile becomes dysfunctional. It sputters, stalls, spins out of control.

Don't like Mike's actions, lyrics, stage deportment, singing, interview answers, etc? Fine. In many cases, I would agree with you. But these expressions of disapproval should advance the conversation, should be pertinent to the conversation, or failing that, should at least be amusing.

Is there really no fix for this problem, other than to ignore it, which -- correct me if I'm wrong, please -- is what the mods are proposing?

[HeyJude]

Whether the board did have an ignore function or not, it *could* do -- http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2299 . And yes, that would solve all the problems instantly.
The question is whether the mods have access to the back-end to install this. My guess, based on things like them not being able to access PMs, is that they can't, and only Charles LePage could. Which is a shame.

I've wondered for quite awhile about an ignore function here. I think it would help. There's presumably not a way to fully ignore people. For instance, if you put someone on "ignore", but then someone else responds to one of their posts and quotes it, then you'll still see the original post.

But I do think it would help. It might be worth trying if it were possible, which it very well may not be.

[Mike's Beard]

As much as it would please me to see OSD gone I will admit that I'm not 100% comfortable with demanding that someone be banned. An ignore button would be perfect, then each member can tailor the board to their liking. Not to name names but there are several posters here that I would gladly never interact with again if I could have the choice not to.

[The Shift]

As much as it would please me to see OSD gone I will admit that I'm not 100% comfortable with demanding that someone be banned. An ignore button would be perfect, then each member can tailor the board to their liking.

It's a neat idea but as has been mentioned it'd make for a broken read and threads seeming to be out of context… instead of demanding a ban, perhaps we (those of us who've stuck with this banality) can politely, collectively, request one?!

[AndrewHickey]

As much as it would please me to see OSD gone I will admit that I'm not 100% comfortable with demanding that someone be banned. An ignore button would be perfect, then each member can tailor the board to their liking.

It's a neat idea but as has been mentioned it'd make for a broken read and threads seeming to be out of context… instead of demanding a ban, perhaps we (those of us who've stuck with this banality) can politely, collectively, request one?!

I don't think it would make us miss anything at all.
Thread about a Mike & Bruce show now:
Original poster -- comments about the show
Polite response 1 -- I don't like Mike & Bruce much, but glad you had fun
Polite response 2 -- I hope they do that rarity when they play my town. It's my favourite
OSD -- Myke Luhv sucks!
SB -- W00t! Yeah! You tell 'em! Emoticon emoticon emoticon
Annoyed responder to OSD and SB -- For the love of God please stop that
Polite response 3 -- Who sang $rarity? I know Jeff normally sings that, but he's got a cold.

Thread as we would see it with an ignore button:
Original poster -- comments about the show
Polite response 1 -- I don't like Mike & Bruce much, but glad you had fun
Polite response 2 -- I hope they do that rarity when they play my town. It's my favourite
[OSD & SB comments ignored]
[Annoyed responder doesn't respond, because he's got OSD and SB on ignore]
Polite response 3 -- Who sang $rarity? I know Jeff normally sings that, but he's got a cold.

[Gerry]

Isn't it somewhat ironic to read some ones comments about other peoples behavior when they have comments like "hating "BW since.... and NPP sucks as part of their calling card. I do realize it's supposed to be funny, cleaver, annoying to some people etc. but  really? I do love the avatar though (please don't tell me you're a fan of Nixon).

[SMiLE Brian]

As much as it would please me to see OSD gone I will admit that I'm not 100% comfortable with demanding that someone be banned. An ignore button would be perfect, then each member can tailor the board to their liking.

It's a neat idea but as has been mentioned it'd make for a broken read and threads seeming to be out of context… instead of demanding a ban, perhaps we (those of us who've stuck with this banality) can politely, collectively, request one?!

I don't think it would make us miss anything at all.
Thread about a Mike & Bruce show now:
Original poster -- comments about the show
Polite response 1 -- I don't like Mike & Bruce much, but glad you had fun
Polite response 2 -- I hope they do that rarity when they play my town. It's my favourite
OSD -- Myke Luhv sucks!
SB -- W00t! Yeah! You tell 'em! Emoticon emoticon emoticon
Annoyed responder to OSD and SB -- For the love of God please stop that
Polite response 3 -- Who sang $rarity? I know Jeff normally sings that, but he's got a cold.

Thread as we would see it with an ignore button:
Original poster -- comments about the show
Polite response 1 -- I don't like Mike & Bruce much, but glad you had fun
Polite response 2 -- I hope they do that rarity when they play my town. It's my favourite
[OSD & SB comments ignored]
[Annoyed responder doesn't respond, because he's got OSD and SB on ignore]
Polite response 3 -- Who sang $rarity? I know Jeff normally sings that, but he's got a cold.

If I remember correctly, you were banned for insulting a poster in AGD's style and chose not to post here once your ban ended. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

As much as it would please me to see OSD gone I will admit that I'm not 100% comfortable with demanding that someone be banned. An ignore button would be perfect, then each member can tailor the board to their liking.

It's a neat idea but as has been mentioned it'd make for a broken read and threads seeming to be out of context… instead of demanding a ban, perhaps we (those of us who've stuck with this banality) can politely, collectively, request one?!

I don't think it would make us miss anything at all.
Thread about a Mike & Bruce show now:
Original poster -- comments about the show
Polite response 1 -- I don't like Mike & Bruce much, but glad you had fun
Polite response 2 -- I hope they do that rarity when they play my town. It's my favourite
OSD -- Myke Luhv sucks!
SB -- W00t! Yeah! You tell 'em! Emoticon emoticon emoticon
Annoyed responder to OSD and SB -- For the love of God please stop that
Polite response 3 -- Who sang $rarity? I know Jeff normally sings that, but he's got a cold.

Thread as we would see it with an ignore button:
Original poster -- comments about the show
Polite response 1 -- I don't like Mike & Bruce much, but glad you had fun
Polite response 2 -- I hope they do that rarity when they play my town. It's my favourite
[OSD & SB comments ignored]
[Annoyed responder doesn't respond, because he's got OSD and SB on ignore]
Polite response 3 -- Who sang $rarity? I know Jeff normally sings that, but he's got a cold.

Thread title-Mike's Whore Band. I didn't start the fire. So big deal, I and others added some kindling. It wouldn't be the first time by any means that this has been done on many a topic. And what is this crap about derailing a thread-I see plenty of junk I don't agree with by the same people but I don't ask the mods to ban them-who cares? It's a message board for Christ's sake.

[Mike's Beard]

Isn't it somewhat ironic to read some ones comments about other peoples behavior when they have comments like "hating "BW since.... and NPP sucks as part of their calling card. I do realize it's supposed to be funny, cleaver, annoying to some people etc. but  really? I do love the avatar though (please don't tell me you're a fan of Nixon).

No it's not supposed to be 'cleaver' Gerry. I also doubt it's fucking up every thread it comes into contact with, unlike OSD.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Two instances of what is wrong with the board right here.

Isn't it somewhat ironic to read some ones comments about other peoples behavior when they have comments like "hating "BW since.... and NPP sucks as part of their calling card. I do realize it's supposed to be funny, cleaver, annoying to some people etc. but  really? I do love the avatar though (please don't tell me you're a fan of Nixon).

No it's not supposed to be 'cleaver' Gerry.

^ No reason to call attention to the typo...Gerry didn't do anything to warrant that.

As much as it would please me to see OSD gone I will admit that I'm not 100% comfortable with demanding that someone be banned. An ignore button would be perfect, then each member can tailor the board to their liking.

It's a neat idea but as has been mentioned it'd make for a broken read and threads seeming to be out of context… instead of demanding a ban, perhaps we (those of us who've stuck with this banality) can politely, collectively, request one?!

I don't think it would make us miss anything at all.
Thread about a Mike & Bruce show now:
Original poster -- comments about the show
Polite response 1 -- I don't like Mike & Bruce much, but glad you had fun
Polite response 2 -- I hope they do that rarity when they play my town. It's my favourite
OSD -- Myke Luhv sucks!
SB -- W00t! Yeah! You tell 'em! Emoticon emoticon emoticon
Annoyed responder to OSD and SB -- For the love of God please stop that
Polite response 3 -- Who sang $rarity? I know Jeff normally sings that, but he's got a cold.

Thread as we would see it with an ignore button:
Original poster -- comments about the show
Polite response 1 -- I don't like Mike & Bruce much, but glad you had fun
Polite response 2 -- I hope they do that rarity when they play my town. It's my favourite
[OSD & SB comments ignored]
[Annoyed responder doesn't respond, because he's got OSD and SB on ignore]
Polite response 3 -- Who sang $rarity? I know Jeff normally sings that, but he's got a cold.

If I remember correctly, you were banned for insulting a poster in AGD's style and chose not to post here once your ban ended. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Absolutely no reason to bring that up.

[Gerry]

Hey, that's exactly what I meant, you know that your comments are cutting that they cleave so to speak. Damn that spel check anyway.

[Mike's Beard]

Hey, that's exactly what I meant, you know that your comments are cutting that they cleave so to speak. Damn that spel check anyway.

I believe you, thousands wouldn't. As it's (almost) Christmas I shall take down the offending NPP line.

[Mike's Beard]

Two instances of what is wrong with the board right here.

Isn't it somewhat ironic to read some ones comments about other peoples behavior when they have comments like "hating "BW since.... and NPP sucks as part of their calling card. I do realize it's supposed to be funny, cleaver, annoying to some people etc. but  really? I do love the avatar though (please don't tell me you're a fan of Nixon).

No it's not supposed to be 'cleaver' Gerry.

^ No reason to call attention to the typo...Gerry didn't do anything to warrant that.

Harmless banter.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

OK, just making sure. Lately, it's been  hard to tell (due to the general atmosphere on the board).

[Emily]

If left to run wild, BB fans would roam the forests and fields in two or three different herds. As it is, they are held together in one enclosure. Can they survive or will they eat each other?
Can they at least agree to step away from the current uproar and let the mods have a breath? I think Debbie's right that if two of the mods are American, and as their work is voluntarily done, it would be kind to try to back off until the end of the weekend, allowing the mods time to relax and deliberate, and perhaps raise the matter again in a new thread on the SmileySmile business board (don't remember the name and as I'm on a phone will likely lose what I've typed if I go look).
Is that a reasonable suggestion?