Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys?

[adamghost]

(#884) Emily, I was going  to "bring up the "cold cuts"... but I won't. (do I need to "ELUCIDATE") Furthermore, there is something infantile in the presumption that somebody else has a responsibility to explain the "context" and "motivations" that would lead the "subject" to make such a choice! PLEASE... spare us the existential prose!

Well, flowery prose aside, the infantile thing that she's suggesting for you to do -- fill in context and motivations -- is sort of a necessary ingredient to, you know, telling a story or writing a book.

[Emily]

(#884) Emily, I was going  to "bring up the "cold cuts"... but I won't. (do I need to "ELUCIDATE") Furthermore, there is something infantile in the presumption that somebody else has a responsibility to explain the "context" and "motivations" that would lead the "subject" to make such a choice! PLEASE... spare us the existential prose!

Well, flowery prose aside, the infantile thing that she's suggesting for you to do -- fill in context and motivations -- is sort of a necessary ingredient to, you know, telling a story or writing a book.

My prose is not flowery! It's existential!

[Jay]

Damn, but this is one weird thread.

[The Shift]

I recall reading an article in the 70's where Cher was recounting an experience with Gregg Allman where he had overdosed on heroin. To keep him alive she said she kept him up all night, walking around. My recollection is that she never called for an ambulance or other medical assistance, and in reading the article back then it never struck me as odd that she had not done so, presumably wishing to avoid the publicity and Allman's potential arrest.

...we are very lucky that those events transpired as they did, because they did in fact lead to none of the band members overdosing.

Sorry but what evidence is there for this assertion?

What I was trying to say is that no band member of the Beach Boys ever died on tour as a result of overdosing on hard drugs. In the moment of when a person (Brian, for example) was passed out with their eyes rolled back, one would *think* that if an ambulance was called and Brian had been sent to the hospital, that the medics/doctors would have done their jobs right, and that the same outcome (Brian being revived and surviving) would have transpired... but we can't know that for sure. What if the ambulance got a flat tire on the way to the hospital, or if a doctor screwed up? I'm just saying there were elements of chance at play in whatever scenario happened (the ambulance being called, or them trying to revive Brian on their own).

Sometimes I wonder, when I watch TV shows and see doctors pushing a man on a gurney into the ER for an emergency operation. What if the doctors ran just 5 % faster than the slightly fast (but maybe not fast enough) rate at which they were running? Could that make a difference for someone living or dying? I'm sure in some rare instances the answer is yes.

We know what happened with the actual scenario that took place: Brian lived. The other scenario is most likely the same (Brian living), but without a time machine, we won't know if the same would have happened.  Since this is a life and death scenario here, I'm glad there's not even a 1% chance that Brian didn't make it due to some unforeseen complication - this is not to condone not calling the cops, I should add. Not trying to say that was a good, advisable, commendable thing to do. Just that I'm glad an outcome we (in hindsight) are 100% certain would lead to Brian's survival did in fact transpire, even if it may have been more risky and less advisable. I can't argue with results, that Brian did make it through that night.

Brian lived but I'm not REALLY sure it's down to Rocky's efforts; more DESPITE Rocky's efforts. It could so VERY EASILY have gone the OTHER way.

As for all the "what-ifs", like what if the ambulance got a flat, or what if the gurney jockeys didn't jog fast enough… on that pretext you might as well call Rocky every time some one ODs, or gets sick, or is hurt in a car crash, has a heart attack etc etc etc… The specialist might pause a second too long to tie his shoe laces; here might be a power cut just as the paddles are being applied; the fire truck might take the corner too fast…

Please, if anyone here ever finds me bleeding and unconscious, or drinking and vacant-eyed, or crumpled in a heap at the foot of a cliff, DON'T CALL ROCKY!

[Tab Lloyd]

I propose anyone deranged enough to follow this post, or reply to it, deserves a cold c*ck to the cold cuts. I'm sure Rocky can rise to the occasion.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but with the posting about the Minnesota plane episode, and the potential OD, seems like someone's  admitting neither they nor Stan were very good at what they'd been expressly hired to do.

[Dove Nested Towers]

This is one helluva roller coaster ride, people. One thing I'll say for Rocky, leaving aside all else, is that he seems to remember how to be loose, live in the moment and not be overly PC and uptight, like so many people are nowadays, an approach that was synonymous with the 1970s but is endangered today. I kind of envy that....

[c-man]

This is one helluva roller coaster ride, people. One thing I'll say for Rocky, leaving aside all else, is that he seems to remember how to be loose, live in the moment and not be overly PC and uptight, like so many people are nowadays, an approach that was synonymous with the 1970s but is endangered today. I kind of envy that....

Sometimes it can go TOO far, however - to the point of being deliberately cruel to others...and that's where I, for one, draw the line...
(Tru*KOFF*mp)

[AndrewHickey]

This is one helluva roller coaster ride, people. One thing I'll say for Rocky, leaving aside all else, is that he seems to remember how to be loose, live in the moment and not be overly PC and uptight, like so many people are nowadays, an approach that was synonymous with the 1970s but is endangered today. I kind of envy that....

Personally I find that well over 90% of complaints about "PC" seem to be from people complaining that they are asked to treat others with basic decency.
There will, of course, be cases where people go too far or act like idiots in that respect, as there are in any culture, because humans are still, alas, humans. But personally I'd rather the problems that come with so-called "PC culture" than the problems that come with a culture where punching incapacitated people in the face or beating someone badly enough that his throat is permanently damaged are considered acceptable behaviour, even if the people in the second culture are more relaxed (at least those doing the beating -- I would guess that those being beaten are probably "uptight").

[SteveMC]

I don't see a relation between assault and being PC. Sorry --but maybe Rocky can knock you out too and then you can get back to us with your analysis.

This is one helluva roller coaster ride, people. One thing I'll say for Rocky, leaving aside all else, is that he seems to remember how to be loose, live in the moment and not be overly PC and uptight, like so many people are nowadays, an approach that was synonymous with the 1970s but is endangered today. I kind of envy that....

[Lee Marshall]

While I agree with the above two posts...I have been wrong not to credit Rocklette for being a REAL trendsetter.  Why he turned into a girl decades before Bruce Jenner did.

THAT politically correct enough for ya?

[Emily]

Ah, brutality, greed and idiocy. Those were the days <<sigh>>

[Lee Marshall]

Ah, brutality, greed and idiocy. Those were the days <<sigh>>

Sadly Emily...those days never went away.  Hence the book.  [and Donald Trump]

[Emily]

Ah, brutality, greed and idiocy. Those were the days <<sigh>>

Sadly Emily...those days never went away.  Hence the book.  [and Donald Trump]

I accept your correction.

[Emily]

This is one helluva roller coaster ride, people. One thing I'll say for Rocky, leaving aside all else, is that he seems to remember how to be loose, live in the moment and not be overly PC and uptight, like so many people are nowadays, an approach that was synonymous with the 1970s but is endangered today. I kind of envy that....

Maybe it's the punctuation, CAPS and overwrought defensiveness but his posts seem a little shrieky, hysterical and uptight to me.

[The Shift]

Maybe it's the punctuation, CAPS and overwrought defensiveness but his posts seem a little shrieky, hysterical and uptight to me.

I think it's cos he's trying to sell a book he thought we all oughta love to read, and coming up against resistance.

Personally I find that well over 90% of complaints about "PC" seem to be from people complaining that they are asked to treat others with basic decency.
… humans are still, [bold]alas, [/bold]humans…

"alas"? That's very demeaning, specifically to either humans or non-humans, I'm not sure specifically which, specifically. But I personally find this phrasing deeply personally hurtfulish and insultive. Personally, on behalf of everyone – human or not specifically human – who feels this way personally, I'd like to demand a personal apology and some free personal therapy and possibly a goodie bag to compensate for the personal trauma inflicted, on behalf of all humans, personally.

Sorry to belay things with gobbledygook but I'm feeling an urge to move on. When are Brian and Mike's books out again? And Marilyn's?

 

[Emily]

Personally I find that well over 90% of complaints about "PC" seem to be from people complaining that they are asked to treat others with basic decency.
… humans are still, [bold]alas, [/bold]humans…

"alas"? That's very demeaning, specifically to either humans or non-humans, I'm not sure specifically which, specifically. But I personally find this phrasing deeply personally hurtfulish and insultive. Personally, on behalf of everyone – human or not specifically human – who feels this way personally, I'd like to demand a personal apology and some free personal therapy and possibly a goodie bag to compensate for the personal trauma inflicted, on behalf of all humans, personally.

Sorry to belay things with gobbledygook but I'm feeling an urge to move on. When are Brian and Mike's books out again? And Marilyn's?

 

It was pretty aggressive, in a micro way. 

[AndrewHickey]

It was pretty aggressive, in a micro way. 

How *DARE* you accuse me of microaggressions? All my aggressions are macro! This is misandrewy!

[CenturyDeprived]

I recall reading an article in the 70's where Cher was recounting an experience with Gregg Allman where he had overdosed on heroin. To keep him alive she said she kept him up all night, walking around. My recollection is that she never called for an ambulance or other medical assistance, and in reading the article back then it never struck me as odd that she had not done so, presumably wishing to avoid the publicity and Allman's potential arrest.

...we are very lucky that those events transpired as they did, because they did in fact lead to none of the band members overdosing.

Sorry but what evidence is there for this assertion?

What I was trying to say is that no band member of the Beach Boys ever died on tour as a result of overdosing on hard drugs. In the moment of when a person (Brian, for example) was passed out with their eyes rolled back, one would *think* that if an ambulance was called and Brian had been sent to the hospital, that the medics/doctors would have done their jobs right, and that the same outcome (Brian being revived and surviving) would have transpired... but we can't know that for sure. What if the ambulance got a flat tire on the way to the hospital, or if a doctor screwed up? I'm just saying there were elements of chance at play in whatever scenario happened (the ambulance being called, or them trying to revive Brian on their own).

Sometimes I wonder, when I watch TV shows and see doctors pushing a man on a gurney into the ER for an emergency operation. What if the doctors ran just 5 % faster than the slightly fast (but maybe not fast enough) rate at which they were running? Could that make a difference for someone living or dying? I'm sure in some rare instances the answer is yes.

We know what happened with the actual scenario that took place: Brian lived. The other scenario is most likely the same (Brian living), but without a time machine, we won't know if the same would have happened.  Since this is a life and death scenario here, I'm glad there's not even a 1% chance that Brian didn't make it due to some unforeseen complication - this is not to condone not calling the cops, I should add. Not trying to say that was a good, advisable, commendable thing to do. Just that I'm glad an outcome we (in hindsight) are 100% certain would lead to Brian's survival did in fact transpire, even if it may have been more risky and less advisable. I can't argue with results, that Brian did make it through that night.

Brian lived but I'm not REALLY sure it's down to Rocky's efforts; more DESPITE Rocky's efforts. It could so VERY EASILY have gone the OTHER way.

As for all the "what-ifs", like what if the ambulance got a flat, or what if the gurney jockeys didn't jog fast enough… on that pretext you might as well call Rocky every time some one ODs, or gets sick, or is hurt in a car crash, has a heart attack etc etc etc… The specialist might pause a second too long to tie his shoe laces; here might be a power cut just as the paddles are being applied; the fire truck might take the corner too fast…

Please, if anyone here ever finds me bleeding and unconscious, or drinking and vacant-eyed, or crumpled in a heap at the foot of a cliff, DON'T CALL ROCKY!

Fair enough about the idea that Brian survived despite Rocky/Stan's efforts, though that is assumption which is based on speculation (same on my end, of course). We don't know if the specific actions/timing of trying to revive Brian are what indeed made him survive that night, or if those actions had no effect on the outcome (and that Brian would have survived either way). Again, not saying it was the best, most medically sound and advisable action to take... just that we know that Brian survived that night, and any other method might well have had the same outcome... but there's always the chance that any other method wouldn't have. Every moment counted.

I can't begrudge the result that Brian made it through that night, either in part thanks to (or despite, if you think despite is more fitting) Rocky/Stan's actions of that night.  It's kind of like the Landy II era, where Landy did get Brian to survive late 1982. That critical late 1982 juncture might well have been survivable for Brian via another medical team's more traditional methods, in fact very likely so - but in reality, there's always the chance that it wouldn't have, if, say, Brian somehow could have gotten hard drugs snuck into a UCLA detox center in some fashion, for example. (Landy's actions beyond that time period, going into the later part of the 80s, of course, are utterly inexcusable in any way, shape, or form). One could perhaps draw a parallel to the Denny beating up incident when it comes to inexcusable actions, although that's a whole other discussion compared to the hotel room incident I'm speaking about.

Point is... a critical life/death hurdle was in fact overcome with Brian in that hotel room.  That doesn't mean that you'd ideally want the same guys doing the same thing for another incident of that type (an irrelevant comparison) - I'm ONLY stating that ONE night in the late 70s had a good outcome - that is inarguable.

[Andrew G. Doe]

This hotel room overdose... how did Brian get drugs when he had two bodyguards who were supposed to keep him away from them ? Someone's falling down on the job...

[CenturyDeprived]

This hotel room overdose... how did Brian get drugs when he had two bodyguards who were supposed to keep him away from them ? Someone's falling down on the job...

Well that's indeed a very fair question to ask 

[Emily]

This hotel room overdose... how did Brian get drugs when he had two bodyguards who were supposed to keep him away from them ? Someone's falling down on the job...

Andrew, can you help me with a date that this would've happened and information on what they were doing the next few days?

[NHC]

The last few posts from Balboa are even more disturbing, like a thesaurus as been used to make the post seem "educated".

I'm wondering when the quotation mark and caps lock keys are going to give out on Rocky's keyboard, due to overuse.

Tee-HEE!

Don't you mean "Tee-HEE"?

Sorry, that's going to be my only contribution to this "discuss-ION".

[joe_blow]

Will there be anything in the book about Rocky's career? I saw a lot of posts about his days as an  escort for fans of his modelling days.

[rockrush3]

  Good morning Smile, am I the only one who greets the site? my my! My manager suggested that I post "ONE" entire Chapter for the benefit of the many intelligent readers of Smile... I said I would be all for it... except we already know there are a handful of people who's only goal here is to criticize , insult, ridicule, demean, and impugn someone else's writing! He said... Do not concern yourself with the handful of negative people... "who constantly post"... concern yourself only with the silent vast majority of the Smile readers who are the target readership of your book... they know that... that's the only way those people can feel good about themselves! I said ALRIGHT I'll do it! I'll start tomorrow and I'll post it in segments so as not to take up volumes of space. Now I just have to decide which Chapter? (I told him watch... some wanker will say something like... don't post a whole chapter we just want to read our own brilliant words of abuse)!