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« Reply #125 on: October 26, 2015, 02:08:59 PM »


And some of these debates are obviously never going to be definitely solved to some folks' satisfaction. Beatles fans are still debating whether it's John or Paul singing the "aaaaaah" vocal part after Paul's "I went into a dream" section of "A Day in the Life", with Lennon fanboys insisting it's John (which I think a lot of fans understandably initially thought it was), even after some audio sleuthing/forensics and a good listen with an open mind indicates it's probably Paul singing that part.
I completely agree with your whole post except, and I know that this is totally obnoxious, contrary and self-contradictory of me, but It's John, it's John, la la la la. And don't forget the fangirls!
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« Reply #126 on: October 26, 2015, 03:44:39 PM »


And some of these debates are obviously never going to be definitely solved to some folks' satisfaction. Beatles fans are still debating whether it's John or Paul singing the "aaaaaah" vocal part after Paul's "I went into a dream" section of "A Day in the Life", with Lennon fanboys insisting it's John (which I think a lot of fans understandably initially thought it was), even after some audio sleuthing/forensics and a good listen with an open mind indicates it's probably Paul singing that part.
I completely agree with your whole post except, and I know that this is totally obnoxious, contrary and self-contradictory of me, but It's John, it's John, la la la la. And don't forget the fangirls!

I was pretty 50/50 on it and could lean either way for many years in the past. But there's a good breakdown, if I'm recalling correctly, in the amazing research book "Recording the Beatles", and I remember coming away feeling they went as far as one could go towards proving it's Paul outside of having actual film footage of the guys cutting the vocals.

Awesome recording either way of course.

I remember the epic discussion some years back when that "Daddy Dear/Susie Cincinatti" Holland home recording surfaced, and there were debates about whether it was Brian or Al. Now *that* was interesting and informative conversation. No AFM contracts, no session tapes, just the same murky recording that everyone had to pick apart.
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« Reply #127 on: October 26, 2015, 08:12:43 PM »



And some of these debates are obviously never going to be definitely solved to some folks' satisfaction. Beatles fans are still debating whether it's John or Paul singing the "aaaaaah" vocal part after Paul's "I went into a dream" section of "A Day in the Life", with Lennon fanboys insisting it's John (which I think a lot of fans understandably initially thought it was), even after some audio sleuthing/forensics and a good listen with an open mind indicates it's probably Paul singing that part.

I was pretty 50/50 on it and could lean either way for many years in the past. But there's a good breakdown, if I'm recalling correctly, in the amazing research book "Recording the Beatles", and I remember coming away feeling they went as far as one could go towards proving it's Paul outside of having actual film footage of the guys cutting the vocals.

Awesome recording either way of course.

Blasted evidence keeps ruining my hypotheses! I'll have to check that book out.
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« Reply #128 on: October 26, 2015, 09:57:28 PM »


I was pretty 50/50 on it and could lean either way for many years in the past. But there's a good breakdown, if I'm recalling correctly, in the amazing research book "Recording the Beatles", and I remember coming away feeling they went as far as one could go towards proving it's Paul outside of having actual film footage of the guys cutting the vocals.


On Amazon, but rather pricey:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0978520009?keywords=Recording%20The%20Beatles&qid=1445921457&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

On a closely related note: does anyone know if the 2013 edition of Lewisohn's "The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions" is updated from the '88 edition?
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« Reply #129 on: October 27, 2015, 01:50:04 AM »

If so, maybe he revised the entries which he'd later admitted weren't based of actual fact but his deductions.
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« Reply #130 on: October 27, 2015, 04:55:29 AM »

I'm excited in some sense about this release. I've always enjoyed the "stripped" 'Party' recordings for what they are. There's a question I've had for awhile about those sessions that now seems as good a time as any to ask. Do we know who played what, in terms of instruments, for those sessions. I assume Al plays some, if not all, bass, and of course Carl on guitar. Perhaps this has been well documented elsewhere on the board, but I can't seem to find it. Did Brian, for instance, play any bass on 'Party'? Who played bongos? I can picture Mike running around with a tambourine. Can someone more knowing than I compile a list of "who played what" on the 'Party' album?
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« Reply #131 on: October 27, 2015, 06:16:16 AM »


I was pretty 50/50 on it and could lean either way for many years in the past. But there's a good breakdown, if I'm recalling correctly, in the amazing research book "Recording the Beatles", and I remember coming away feeling they went as far as one could go towards proving it's Paul outside of having actual film footage of the guys cutting the vocals.


On Amazon, but rather pricey:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0978520009?keywords=Recording%20The%20Beatles&qid=1445921457&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

On a closely related note: does anyone know if the 2013 edition of Lewisohn's "The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions" is updated from the '88 edition?

I think I got in on the tail end of the original run of 1,000 copies of "Recording the Beatles", but they did more printings after that. It looks like right now it's out of stock but due for another printing in 2016:

http://www.curvebender.com/recordingthebeatlesdeluxeedition.aspx

I can't say for sure, but I always got the impression that the various reprints of Lewisohn's "Recording Sessions" were simple reprints rather than updates. I think EMI actually owned the book, as they commissioned Lewisohn.
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« Reply #132 on: October 27, 2015, 06:24:52 AM »

If so, maybe he revised the entries which he'd later admitted weren't based of actual fact but his deductions.

I never got the impression Lewisohn was trying to mislead about the nature of his listening sessions. I dunno, maybe he contends in "Recording Sessions" that he listened to every note of every tape. But I remember relatively contemporary interviews where Lewisohn was open about the narrow window of time EMI gave him to do the book, and how there was no time to listen to every second of every tape. Considering his interest in the group, I also got the impression that, much like any Beatles fan, he certainly would have loved to spend even more time listening to every inch of each tape.

Either way, while "Recording Sessions" could certainly do well with an update, even just based on what they turned up in the 90s "Anthology" era, every one of Lewisohn's books are indispensable, and his "Tune In" first volume is really unparalleled in numerous ways. A biography half as detailed as that on the Beach Boys would still be the best we've ever seen. The only criticism I have of Lewisohn's first biography volume is that the title is kind of lame, and the UK cover art kind of ugly.
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« Reply #133 on: October 27, 2015, 07:08:03 AM »

If so, maybe he revised the entries which he'd later admitted weren't based of actual fact but his deductions.
...But I remember relatively contemporary interviews where Lewisohn was open about the narrow window of time EMI gave him to do the book, and how there was no time to listen to every second of every tape. Considering his interest in the group, I also got the impression that, much like any Beatles fan, he certainly would have loved to spend even more time listening to every inch of each tape...

Believe me, I know exactly how he feels!  Smiley
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« Reply #134 on: October 27, 2015, 07:08:48 AM »

I'm excited in some sense about this release. I've always enjoyed the "stripped" 'Party' recordings for what they are. There's a question I've had for awhile about those sessions that now seems as good a time as any to ask. Do we know who played what, in terms of instruments, for those sessions. I assume Al plays some, if not all, bass, and of course Carl on guitar. Perhaps this has been well documented elsewhere on the board, but I can't seem to find it. Did Brian, for instance, play any bass on 'Party'? Who played bongos? I can picture Mike running around with a tambourine. Can someone more knowing than I compile a list of "who played what" on the 'Party' album?

The sessionography will answer all these questions. Smiley
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« Reply #135 on: October 27, 2015, 07:11:12 AM »

Wasn't it Brian on electric bass, Carl and Al on acoustic guitars, Bruce on piano, and Hal Blaine on percussion?
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« Reply #136 on: October 27, 2015, 07:18:39 AM »

And I'm pretty sure Billy Hinsche on harmonica.
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« Reply #137 on: October 27, 2015, 07:52:09 AM »

Wasn't it Brian on electric bass, Carl and Al on acoustic guitars, Bruce on piano, and Hal Blaine on percussion?

There was actually some fluid-ity with the bass and percussion chores. What little piano there was is Brian. The one constant was the acoustic guitars of Carl and Al - although they rotated 6- and 12-string between themselves. I heard no evidence on tape of the 4-string tenor acoustic guitar Al is seen playing in the staged party promo shot, and which may be alluded to in the Teen Set article (where a guitar string breaks and the instrument in question is then referred to as now having 3 strings).
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« Reply #138 on: October 27, 2015, 08:09:12 AM »

<<And I'm pretty sure Billy Hinsche on harmonica.>>

The man himself confirmed that to me... on Mountain of Love. 

And flash forward 35 years to 2000... the Carl Wilson foundation Beach Party... at the singalong during Mountain of Love, Billy surprised everybody (and Jeff Foskett) when he whipped out his harmonica and reprised that solo.
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« Reply #139 on: October 27, 2015, 08:22:43 AM »

And flash forward 35 years to 2000... the Carl Wilson foundation Beach Party... at the singalong during Mountain of Love, Billy surprised everybody (and Jeff Foskett) when he whipped out his harmonica and reprised that solo.

Wonderful stuff how he reprised the solo all those years later. I didn't know Billy added harmonica on MOL via the album---cool stuff.
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« Reply #140 on: October 27, 2015, 08:39:22 AM »

And flash forward 35 years to 2000... the Carl Wilson foundation Beach Party... at the singalong during Mountain of Love, Billy surprised everybody (and Jeff Foskett) when he whipped out his harmonica and reprised that solo.

Wonderful stuff how he reprised the solo all those years later. I didn't know Billy added harmonica on MOL via the album---cool stuff.

It might be worth noting here that Billy's MOL harmonica solo was performed on the initial recording - meaning, it was not overdubbed at the later "party sounds" session as has sometimes been reported. So, happily, it's present on this release!  Smiley
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« Reply #141 on: October 30, 2015, 02:55:24 AM »

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Wasn't it Brian on electric bass, Carl and Al on acoustic guitars, Bruce on piano, and Hal Blaine on percussion?

I'm very curious to know if it was indeed Brian on bass throughout the album.
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« Reply #142 on: October 30, 2015, 06:07:50 AM »

Before the "Calypso" version of "Little Deuce Coupe" doesn't someone (Al?) say "I've got it -- Bruce do your bass like this: (sings) 'dum, da da, dum, da da...'"?

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« Reply #143 on: October 30, 2015, 06:29:27 AM »

Bruce playing bass is mentioned several times in the studio, I think they also call it the "phantom bass" or something, and I also got the impression "Ron" as in Ron Swallow played some bass too because other conversations seem to be directed at him regarding the bass playing. But he's credited with tambourine and percussion too. A good amount of instrument swapping seems to have taken place as mentioned.
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« Reply #144 on: October 30, 2015, 08:26:07 AM »

Wonderful stuff how he reprised the solo all those years later. I didn't know Billy added harmonica on MOL via the album---cool stuff.

A little Easter egg I noticed a few years ago: listen to the background vocals. During the verses: "Whoa-oh Mikey!" During the harmonica solo: "Whoa-oh Billy!"
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« Reply #145 on: October 30, 2015, 09:09:51 AM »

Wonderful stuff how he reprised the solo all those years later. I didn't know Billy added harmonica on MOL via the album---cool stuff.

A little Easter egg I noticed a few years ago: listen to the background vocals. During the verses: "Whoa-oh Mikey!" During the harmonica solo: "Whoa-oh Billy!"

Exactly!  That's why I suspected (many years ago) that it was Billy Hinsche playing the harmonica, and the first time I met him in person I asked him and he confirmed it.

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« Reply #146 on: October 30, 2015, 09:22:48 AM »

I heard the Sea of Tunes release of some of these sessions a few years back and isn't there a medley section where, at one point, the BB (I think Brian) sings a brief snippet of the DD&B hit "I'm A Fool?"
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« Reply #147 on: October 30, 2015, 09:34:59 PM »

Wonderful stuff how he reprised the solo all those years later. I didn't know Billy added harmonica on MOL via the album---cool stuff.

A little Easter egg I noticed a few years ago: listen to the background vocals. During the verses: "Whoa-oh Mikey!" During the harmonica solo: "Whoa-oh Billy!"

Exactly!  That's why I suspected (many years ago) that it was Billy Hinsche playing the harmonica, and the first time I met him in person I asked him and he confirmed it.

Lee

First time I heard (or read) of it was when Billy mentioned it in a 1986 BBFUN interview.
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« Reply #148 on: November 03, 2015, 01:54:58 PM »

On a closely related note: does anyone know if the 2013 edition of Lewisohn's "The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions" is updated from the '88 edition?
I have the '88 edition and The Complete Beatles Chronicle ('92), which is a condensed version of Recording Sessions plus live, radio, and TV appearances.  He notes revised info on recording sessions.

I haven't seen the 2013 edition.
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« Reply #149 on: November 03, 2015, 03:30:22 PM »

Looks like Amazon will sell an “exclusive” package with a 12” by 12” lithograph: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B017IF3SVW/. Very few details at all on that page but one can only assume that it’s for this release.
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