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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2015, 11:34:07 AM »

Had Dennis still been around I think he would either have gone it alone or perhaps joined Brian. Of course it would have changed the balance of the Beach Boys votes too. Had Dennis and Al voted with Brian, perhaps they would have had the name. Hard to imagine Mike and Bruce being as successful without the name of the Beach Boys  but perhaps they would have still tried to keep it going.

Dennis sold his vote to cover debts several years before he died. He had no say at a corparate level which is why his estate doesn't get to vote on BRI related issues today while Carl's does.

Slightly incorrect: Dennis' estate sold his vote back to BRI after his death in exchange for a reduction of his debts.

What exactly did that ultimately mean when he sold his vote back? No one party/person at BRI absorbed that vote, right? That vote essentially evaporated then?
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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2015, 04:33:20 AM »

Had Dennis still been around I think he would either have gone it alone or perhaps joined Brian. Of course it would have changed the balance of the Beach Boys votes too. Had Dennis and Al voted with Brian, perhaps they would have had the name. Hard to imagine Mike and Bruce being as successful without the name of the Beach Boys  but perhaps they would have still tried to keep it going.

Dennis sold his vote to cover debts several years before he died. He had no say at a corparate level which is why his estate doesn't get to vote on BRI related issues today while Carl's does.

Slightly incorrect: Dennis' estate sold his vote back to BRI after his death in exchange for a reduction of his debts.

Not slightly incorrect. Incorrect and contrary to the point that Mike's Beard was trying to make to invalidate what I had suggested.
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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2015, 04:34:09 AM »

Had Dennis still been around I think he would either have gone it alone or perhaps joined Brian. Of course it would have changed the balance of the Beach Boys votes too. Had Dennis and Al voted with Brian, perhaps they would have had the name. Hard to imagine Mike and Bruce being as successful without the name of the Beach Boys  but perhaps they would have still tried to keep it going.

Dennis sold his vote to cover debts several years before he died. He had no say at a corparate level which is why his estate doesn't get to vote on BRI related issues today while Carl's does.

Slightly incorrect: Dennis' estate sold his vote back to BRI after his death in exchange for a reduction of his debts.

What exactly did that ultimately mean when he sold his vote back? No one party/person at BRI absorbed that vote, right? That vote essentially evaporated then?

This is an interesting point too.
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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2015, 09:15:25 AM »

It would be interesting the direction the Beach Boys may have gone if Dennis lived and retained his vote. Perhaps Dennis, Carl and Al could have found a common vision for the group. I wonder if Dennis would have talked the other guys into giving power of the Beach Boys back to Brian in the late 90s? Which, looking at it today would have been incredible! Think about it. With Brian's backing band, the Beach Boys touring Pet Sounds and Smile. That Lucky Old Sun as a Beach Boys album, etc.

Also, didn't Brian sell his vote to Mike in the late 70s? When did Brian get his vote back?
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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2015, 10:54:16 AM »

Had Dennis still been around I think he would either have gone it alone or perhaps joined Brian. Of course it would have changed the balance of the Beach Boys votes too. Had Dennis and Al voted with Brian, perhaps they would have had the name. Hard to imagine Mike and Bruce being as successful without the name of the Beach Boys  but perhaps they would have still tried to keep it going.

Dennis sold his vote to cover debts several years before he died. He had no say at a corparate level which is why his estate doesn't get to vote on BRI related issues today while Carl's does.

Slightly incorrect: Dennis' estate sold his vote back to BRI after his death in exchange for a reduction of his debts.

Not slightly incorrect. Incorrect and contrary to the point that Mike's Beard was trying to make to invalidate what I had suggested.
Fair enough but even if Dennis had not drowned it's a near certainty he would still have had to sold his share in the foreseeable future to cover debts. His liver was toast and I'd be stunned if he had any sort of healthcare in place. Liver transplants and the followup medication he would need to take for the rest of his life don't come cheap.
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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2015, 11:00:14 AM »

Had Dennis still been around I think he would either have gone it alone or perhaps joined Brian. Of course it would have changed the balance of the Beach Boys votes too. Had Dennis and Al voted with Brian, perhaps they would have had the name. Hard to imagine Mike and Bruce being as successful without the name of the Beach Boys  but perhaps they would have still tried to keep it going.

Dennis sold his vote to cover debts several years before he died. He had no say at a corparate level which is why his estate doesn't get to vote on BRI related issues today while Carl's does.

Slightly incorrect: Dennis' estate sold his vote back to BRI after his death in exchange for a reduction of his debts.

What exactly did that ultimately mean when he sold his vote back? No one party/person at BRI absorbed that vote, right? That vote essentially evaporated then?

The vote yes but I'm guessing that it also meant any money BRI made would be divided up as a four way split instead of 5.
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« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2015, 11:50:12 AM »

Had Dennis still been around I think he would either have gone it alone or perhaps joined Brian. Of course it would have changed the balance of the Beach Boys votes too. Had Dennis and Al voted with Brian, perhaps they would have had the name. Hard to imagine Mike and Bruce being as successful without the name of the Beach Boys  but perhaps they would have still tried to keep it going.

Dennis sold his vote to cover debts several years before he died. He had no say at a corparate level which is why his estate doesn't get to vote on BRI related issues today while Carl's does.

Slightly incorrect: Dennis' estate sold his vote back to BRI after his death in exchange for a reduction of his debts.

Not slightly incorrect. Incorrect and contrary to the point that Mike's Beard was trying to make to invalidate what I had suggested.
Fair enough but even if Dennis had not drowned it's a near certainty he would still have had to sold his share in the foreseeable future to cover debts. His liver was toast and I'd be stunned if he had any sort of healthcare in place. Liver transplants and the followup medication he would need to take for the rest of his life don't come cheap.

That's fair enough too but in the hypothetical scenario suggested by the question it is obvious that Dennis would not only have had to survive but clean up his act in order to have been capable of being an effective part of the band. And had he cleaned up his act, I would guess that he would be more likely to vote with Brian and Carl than with Mike and Al.
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« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2015, 10:50:06 PM »

I wonder how Denny's kids have been taken care of financially? You would think that if any of the kids are getting anything, they would be included, or someone would sue.
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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2015, 06:54:20 PM »

Even if Denny had cleaned up and lived, does anyone think that those two could have ever patched things up to the point where there wasn't going to be frequent tension, butting of heads, and deep dissatisfaction, one way or another?

To a point, sure.  Mike hates Al, but yet they toured the world together a few years ago.  They hate each other again, but they could probably patch it up if they had to. 

Mike has bad mojo with all kinds of people, just because he and Dennis butted heads doesn't mean it'd be any different. 
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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2015, 08:22:06 PM »

"Does anyone think Denny + Mike could have overcome creative/personal issues? "

No.
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