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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2015, 06:17:49 PM »

Mike was totally sober when causing trouble and ripping off the BBs legacy. His only drug is his ego.
Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up  And his crutch is TM which he hides behind to justify his wacko behavior traits which additional face painting won't have an effect on.

and YOU talk about having a crutch!!!!!!  Evil
WTF??? myKe luHv is a bleeding hypocrite who's "religious doctrine" preaches peace, luHv and understanding. Even a Kohkohdope could see that the pointster can't conveniently hide behind a religion to justify his ego. Roll Eyes

Hmmmm, well all we really know about you OSD is that you get off on dissing Mike Love each and every day ..... I wonder if you've lived a completely rosy and blemish free existence

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Mike Love has been a longtime supporter of environmental causes and was among speakers at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992 and Earth Day 2000 on the Mall in Washington, DC. Love was instrumental in forming StarServe ("Students Taking Action and Responsibility to Serve") which enlisted high profile celebrities to inspire America's youth to help serve their communities. He also created the Love Foundation, which supports national environmental and educational initiatives. Love personally donated $100,000 to the American Red Cross to benefit the victims of Hurricane Katrina and helped the foundation raise an additional $250,000. He has served as a member of the Board of Directors of the Lake Tahoe School in Incline Village, Nevada, and was responsible for raising over $1 million to benefit the school. In 2010, Mike Love contributed to the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation's More Hope For The Holidays album with vocals on "Closing of the Year" as well as contributing his self-penned "Santa's Goin' To Kokomo". On the album he appears alongside Weezer, Brandi Carlile, and Creedence Clearwater Revisited. Proceeds benefit the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation.[17] He performed a benefit concert for the foundation for the Children of the Californias which raised one million dollars to support the expansion of three new surgical suites. During the 50th Reunion Tour Love alongside the Beach Boys partnered with Operation Smile to raise funds for those in need of cleft lip and palate repair surgeries. In May 2013, Love was recognised for his decades of investment in education and national service by being awarded City Year's "Seven Generations Award".[18]

My God! What an SOB
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2015, 06:45:48 PM »

Mike was totally sober when causing trouble and ripping off the BBs legacy. His only drug is his ego.
Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up  And his crutch is TM which he hides behind to justify his wacko behavior traits which additional face painting won't have an effect on.

and YOU talk about having a crutch!!!!!!  Evil
WTF??? myKe luHv is a bleeding hypocrite who's "religious doctrine" preaches peace, luHv and understanding. Even a Kohkohdope could see that the pointster can't conveniently hide behind a religion to justify his ego. Roll Eyes

Hmmmm, well all we really know about you OSD is that you get off on dissing Mike Love each and every day ..... I wonder if you've lived a completely rosy and blemish free existence

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Mike Love has been a longtime supporter of environmental causes and was among speakers at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992 and Earth Day 2000 on the Mall in Washington, DC. Love was instrumental in forming StarServe ("Students Taking Action and Responsibility to Serve") which enlisted high profile celebrities to inspire America's youth to help serve their communities. He also created the Love Foundation, which supports national environmental and educational initiatives. Love personally donated $100,000 to the American Red Cross to benefit the victims of Hurricane Katrina and helped the foundation raise an additional $250,000. He has served as a member of the Board of Directors of the Lake Tahoe School in Incline Village, Nevada, and was responsible for raising over $1 million to benefit the school. In 2010, Mike Love contributed to the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation's More Hope For The Holidays album with vocals on "Closing of the Year" as well as contributing his self-penned "Santa's Goin' To Kokomo". On the album he appears alongside Weezer, Brandi Carlile, and Creedence Clearwater Revisited. Proceeds benefit the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation.[17] He performed a benefit concert for the foundation for the Children of the Californias which raised one million dollars to support the expansion of three new surgical suites. During the 50th Reunion Tour Love alongside the Beach Boys partnered with Operation Smile to raise funds for those in need of cleft lip and palate repair surgeries. In May 2013, Love was recognised for his decades of investment in education and national service by being awarded City Year's "Seven Generations Award".[18]

My God! What an SOB
"Santa's Goin' To Kohkohmoe"Huh Really?Huh? Effin A, man!! Angry Self penned, huh? Brilliant stuff. And don't think he didn't write off the 100K. All of this reeks of a guilty conscious in light of the millions the greedster has in the bank-a mere pittance to be sure.
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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2015, 06:46:36 PM »

Keep ranting Pinder, someday you will convince somebody to be a mikolyte.
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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2015, 06:54:13 PM »

Mike was totally sober when causing trouble and ripping off the BBs legacy. His only drug is his ego.
Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up  And his crutch is TM which he hides behind to justify his wacko behavior traits which additional face painting won't have an effect on.

and YOU talk about having a crutch!!!!!!  Evil
WTF??? myKe luHv is a bleeding hypocrite who's "religious doctrine" preaches peace, luHv and understanding. Even a Kohkohdope could see that the pointster can't conveniently hide behind a religion to justify his ego. Roll Eyes

Hmmmm, well all we really know about you OSD is that you get off on dissing Mike Love each and every day ..... I wonder if you've lived a completely rosy and blemish free existence

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Mike Love has been a longtime supporter of environmental causes and was among speakers at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992 and Earth Day 2000 on the Mall in Washington, DC. Love was instrumental in forming StarServe ("Students Taking Action and Responsibility to Serve") which enlisted high profile celebrities to inspire America's youth to help serve their communities. He also created the Love Foundation, which supports national environmental and educational initiatives. Love personally donated $100,000 to the American Red Cross to benefit the victims of Hurricane Katrina and helped the foundation raise an additional $250,000. He has served as a member of the Board of Directors of the Lake Tahoe School in Incline Village, Nevada, and was responsible for raising over $1 million to benefit the school. In 2010, Mike Love contributed to the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation's More Hope For The Holidays album with vocals on "Closing of the Year" as well as contributing his self-penned "Santa's Goin' To Kokomo". On the album he appears alongside Weezer, Brandi Carlile, and Creedence Clearwater Revisited. Proceeds benefit the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation.[17] He performed a benefit concert for the foundation for the Children of the Californias which raised one million dollars to support the expansion of three new surgical suites. During the 50th Reunion Tour Love alongside the Beach Boys partnered with Operation Smile to raise funds for those in need of cleft lip and palate repair surgeries. In May 2013, Love was recognised for his decades of investment in education and national service by being awarded City Year's "Seven Generations Award".[18]

My God! What an SOB
"Santa's Goin' To Kohkohmoe"Huh Really?Huh? Effin A, man!! Angry Self penned, huh? Brilliant stuff. And don't think he didn't write off the 100K. All of this reeks of a guilty conscious in light of the millions the greedster has in the bank-a mere pittance to be sure.

well, what have you contributed to society other than loads of bile spewed at a guy you don't know?
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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2015, 10:29:08 PM »

I wonder how many musicians (famous, musical contemporaries from the 60s-on) would actually disagree with Crosby's statement. Either privately or publicly. Sadly, I'll bet not many. It's sorta like how you can count Bill Cosby's celebrity defenders on one or two hands, and about 50% of the defenders have something to gain (Cosby Show residuals $$) by defending him.

Mind you, I'm not trying to compare Love to Cosby, just stating that I unfortunately and very sadly don't think there are many big names who would come to Love's defense and refute Crosby's tweets. Wish it wasn't so.

Look at it this way. How many artists have had the luhvster guest on their albums. Kinda speakes for itself. Smokin

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« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2015, 10:59:36 PM »

Crosby means it, Neil is just doing his CSNY drama as usual l.

You mean it. Neil just hasn't picked your favorite hate subject.


Mike was totally sober when causing trouble and ripping off the BBs legacy. His only drug is his ego.

Your drug is the hate of Mike. You must be an extremely (self-censoring due to not wanting to get banned) person to have to hate someone so badly that you can feel a good person in comparison.
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« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2015, 11:18:32 PM »

I sourced that Bellagio 10452 page yesterday, checking to see if you had Brian credited for both tracks on Ryuichi Sakamoto's Beauty album.  You did.  Some people say they can't pick out his vocals on "We Love You" - I think he's buried deep in the vocal mix, but there.  It was an interesting project for him to be doing in 1989.
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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2015, 01:24:51 AM »

Don't care if either of them is "not a good person". Mike Love will forever be an ambivalent figure, that's his role in the BB universe. It's easy to dismiss his contributions if you choose to look at stuff like Santa's Goin' to Kokomo or Summer in Paradise and it's just as easy to appreciate and value his work if you choose to look at the early hit songs, Good Vibrations, Wild Honey, Big Sur, or his ability to maintain a somewhat corny yet mostly entertaining stage persona throughout the endless years of touring.
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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2015, 05:41:08 AM »

I wonder how many musicians (famous, musical contemporaries from the 60s-on) would actually disagree with Crosby's statement. Either privately or publicly. Sadly, I'll bet not many. It's sorta like how you can count Bill Cosby's celebrity defenders on one or two hands, and about 50% of the defenders have something to gain (Cosby Show residuals $$) by defending him.

Mind you, I'm not trying to compare Love to Cosby, just stating that I unfortunately and very sadly don't think there are many big names who would come to Love's defense and refute Crosby's tweets. Wish it wasn't so.

Look at it this way. How many artists have had the luhvster guest on their albums. Kinda speakes for itself. Smokin

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Count 'em for yourself.  Cheesy
Looks like the luHvster's stock took a gigantic dump starting roughly two decades ago. Point proven. Your move.  Brow
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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2015, 06:14:22 AM »

Crosby means it, Neil is just doing his CSNY drama as usual l.

Crosby calling out Love is like poop telling vomit it stinks.  The Cros has had multiple run-ins with the law and even spent a brief stint in prison.  Helluva singer though.
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« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2015, 06:16:52 AM »

At this point Mike could say the sky is green and red and someone one would try to rationalize it that he was correct or it was the sky's fault for being blue. Not much better or different in regards to Brian either but that always existed. The rationalization of everything Mike is still so baffling to me.


It's not even about Mike, but rather the hypocrisy behind MUCH of the criticism he gets.

Yeah.  At this point Mike is who he is, and at this point in his career and this late stage of the game, it's kinda tired and pointless for fans to continue to rag on him.
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« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2015, 06:20:54 AM »

Crosby means it, Neil is just doing his CSNY drama as usual l.

Crosby calling out Love is like poop telling vomit it stinks.  The Cros has had multiple run-ins with the law and even spent a brief stint in prison.  Helluva singer though.

Crosby cops to his misdeeds and indiscretions. And he will admit that he can be an arrogant asshole. Does Mike have that level of self-awareness?
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« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2015, 06:35:19 AM »

Crosby means it, Neil is just doing his CSNY drama as usual l.

Crosby calling out Love is like poop telling vomit it stinks.  The Cros has had multiple run-ins with the law and even spent a brief stint in prison.  Helluva singer though.

Crosby cops to his misdeeds and indiscretions. And he will admit that he can be an arrogant asshole. Does Mike have that level of self-awareness?

Mike's biggest problem is his ego.  He's managed to keep himself together all these years though. 
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« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2015, 07:52:39 AM »

*yawn*.  I guess I really feel stupid, but I have to ask who DJ M is...
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« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2015, 07:54:10 AM »

Going back to the original post...I remember someone who was directly involved in the TNT Tribute to Brian in 2001....I won't name names, so I'll use a pseudonym...I'll just call him...Chocolate Shake Man...I heard him speak about the event literally a few days after it was recorded, and he shared a lot of backstage stories and stuff about the event.

One thing in particular that shocked the hell out of everybody who heard: Crosby was on time for every rehearsal, and actually was the ONLY one who was punctual!

And second...and he was at first hesitant to tell this story but then thought, ehh, it's okay, it's a funny story...said that during rehearsal when Cros was reciting his spiel, the script called for him to say something about "and his cousin Mike Love" --and he stopped the little spiel and said, "Do I have to say his name? I don't like him!" So the compromise was that the script was changed to say "his cousin Mike."

(An unofficial story I heard from someone else said it was more than just that...what he actually said was "Do I have to say his name? I never liked that @$$hole!....[laughter from the crew]....NOBODY liked him!!")
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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2015, 08:00:33 AM »

Well David was the most objectionable character Terry had ever met. As per Van Dyke Parks

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« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2015, 08:06:12 AM »

Reading some of Crosby's other tweets, it looks like he calls it as he sees it-- meaning, that if he believes something to be true, he will just say it without sugar-coating. He also said he loves Joni Mitchell's music but called her "crazy." He said Kanye has no talent and that Phish doesn't "groove." (I think that was the word he used.)  So...he has his opinions. I wonder if there was a particular incident that he experienced caused him to form his opinion of Mike, or if he's just going by stories of Mike that we've all heard. Saying Mike is not a good person is stronger than just saying, "He's not very likable." 
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« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2015, 08:13:15 AM »

All you need is Love...and our favorite band has him!
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« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2015, 08:16:00 AM »

It is to Mike's credit if he supports environmental causes - however, it would be more to the point if he had fewer children. Nothing causes more environmental damage than too many people.
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« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2015, 08:19:50 AM »

I sourced that Bellagio 10452 page yesterday, checking to see if you had Brian credited for both tracks on Ryuichi Sakamoto's Beauty album.  You did.  Some people say they can't pick out his vocals on "We Love You" - I think he's buried deep in the vocal mix, but there.  It was an interesting project for him to be doing in 1989.

Wasn't his contribution to that track a big, honkin' loud wall of Brians? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=32eOECAT5E0

Starts around 1:56.
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« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2015, 08:25:55 AM »


Look at it this way. How many artists have had the luhvster guest on their albums. Kinda speakes for itself. Smokin

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Count 'em for yourself.  Cheesy

Not here to pile on.  Doesn't look like the gang needs any more BANG...but I did count 'em...well let me rephrase that... I did LOOK at 'em.  Not many...at least compared to Brian and obviously Carl.  Mostly Mike did, it seems, more for Jan and Dean...and Dean than for anyone else.  And adding something of his own to a compilation disc?  Does that really qualify?  Just wondering.

Question Andrew???  Your extensive and most assuredly impressive list makes no mention of Bruce Johnston and his various contributuions to this that and the next thing...including SOME songs which you've listed.  Any reason why Bruce isn't included?  Just askin'. Cool Guy
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« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2015, 08:52:25 AM »

It is to Mike's credit if he supports environmental causes - however, it would be more to the point if he had fewer children. Nothing causes more environmental damage than too many people.
And how would you like him to achieve that feat? Why even bring that into the mix. His youngest is already in her late teens.
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« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2015, 08:56:28 AM »

Maybe Mike should tweet Crosby and ask why Roger McGuinn isn't exactly breaking down his door trying to get a Byrds reunion going with him?
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« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2015, 09:10:40 AM »

I know this is sacrilegious for many, but I don't really get Crosby, musically. Never have. I'm not saying this in defence of the Lovester who does seem to have been a considerable dick over the years, but he co-wrote some great songs. I don't get the whole CSN stuff at all. Good voices in search of good material.
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« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2015, 09:19:09 AM »

I dunno.  Deja Vu is a pretty fine collection of great material...and performances.
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