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« Reply #275 on: January 22, 2015, 04:02:13 AM »

Lorren,

"End of 1966" makes sense. Brian took a contract on the Bellagio house in March 1967 and there is a press account from April 1967 of their moving.  We had a few conversations about 15 ears ago and I remember you telling me then that you sort of withdrew from Brian's scene around the Pet Sounds/SMiLE period.

I'd like to hear more about your "salons" if you care to share sometime.
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« Reply #276 on: January 22, 2015, 04:16:42 AM »


As if this mattered: Cialis has practically no effect on sexual performance at a dose of 5mg, which is what I take. One needs 25mg at least to accomplish that. The drug comes in 5mg, 25mg, 50mg and 100mg versions. The 5mg helps open the prostate gland to make urination easier, and it allows me to avoid the brutal surgery required in order to fix the problem. If you watch a Cialis commercial, they clearly mention its use for prostate problems. I did post it in error. I don’t need to brag about my sex life, which, thankfully is somewhat normal considering my age. Such cynical people some of you are…



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Cialis is available in 2.5mg, 5mg, 10mg, and 20mg strengths. most men take 10mg or 20mg for boners.
Viagra is available in 25mg, 50mg and 100mg strengths.

just an fyi.......
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« Reply #277 on: January 22, 2015, 05:25:50 AM »

This is so interesting!  Some of you have questions regarding exact dates/times etc?  You obviously know your stuff, but how often does a fan know more about the details of their idol than the idol themselves does? 

You'd be surprised. One of the band - no names, no pack drill - was, until someone played him the album in question, convinced that a certain song was never released - which it was - and swore black was white that he didn't sing the lead on it - which he did.

Now, personal, day-to-day life details... that's something else. No, of course we don't.

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« Reply #278 on: January 22, 2015, 05:53:24 AM »

I believe ‘Smile’ wasn’t completed because of objections to it by both Mike Love and the record company, which refused to release it, even if it was completed. I agree with that decision. The music, and the lyrics written by VDP were great, but Brian’s contributions were ludicrous. I mean, “…I gotta eat my vege-tables.” Indeed…

How did Van Dyke feel about Brian's ludicrous contributions back in the day?
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« Reply #279 on: January 22, 2015, 06:08:24 AM »

I would like to know what artists/styles of music you guys were listening to at your house parties, and did anybody bring music with them, or were you at the helm where that was concerned. (since these were held at your home)

I ask because you made a comment about "Vegetables" being a song you weren't fond of, and I know it's a favorite here, so it made me wonder what kinds of music "turned you on" in your life. I imagine you must be well aware of the entire "culture" that sprang up around the non-release of SMiLE, and I think some of our members are going to be squirming in their seats a bit that someone who was there wasn't completely knocked out by it.

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« Reply #280 on: January 22, 2015, 06:18:12 AM »

Loren, do you suffer from (or do you suspect you suffer from) any mental conditions? Like psychopathy, sociopathy et cetera?
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« Reply #281 on: January 22, 2015, 06:19:45 AM »

I believe ‘Smile’ wasn’t completed because of objections to it by both Mike Love and the record company, which refused to release it, even if it was completed. I agree with that decision. The music, and the lyrics written by VDP were great, but Brian’s contributions were ludicrous. I mean, “…I gotta eat my vege-tables.” Indeed…

How did Van Dyke feel about Brian's ludicrous contributions back in the day?

Um... correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Van Dyke write those lyrics... and didn't Brian never write his own lyrics ?  angel
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« Reply #282 on: January 22, 2015, 06:22:09 AM »

I believe ‘Smile’ wasn’t completed because of objections to it by both Mike Love and the record company, which refused to release it, even if it was completed. I agree with that decision. The music, and the lyrics written by VDP were great, but Brian’s contributions were ludicrous. I mean, “…I gotta eat my vege-tables.” Indeed…

How did Van Dyke feel about Brian's ludicrous contributions back in the day?

Um... correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Van Dyke write those lyrics... and didn't Brian never write his own lyrics ?  angel

Seconded, AGD. This Daro canonization is getting weirder and weirder.
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« Reply #283 on: January 22, 2015, 06:22:36 AM »

This is so interesting!  Some of you have questions regarding exact dates/times etc?  You obviously know your stuff, but how often does a fan know more about the details of their idol than the idol themselves does? 

You'd be surprised. One of the band - no names, no pack drill - was, until someone played him the album in question, convinced that a certain song was never released - which it was - and swore black was white that he didn't sing the lead on it - which he did.


Did he forget that he sang the lead vocal on it when he re-recorded it for his own solo album as well?
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« Reply #284 on: January 22, 2015, 06:26:40 AM »

Nothing daro is saying is making sense. It's all contradictary posts that seem to want to put BW in the worst light possible.
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« Reply #285 on: January 22, 2015, 06:53:55 AM »

He makes sense to me. I am curious to hear more from him.
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« Reply #286 on: January 22, 2015, 07:08:38 AM »

Lorren,

I have just a few questions for now.  You say that Capitol was not going to release the Smile album, even if Brian had finished it.  However, Capitol had already started the promotion machine rolling for the album by late '66, and had hundreds of thousands of album covers and booklets printed up in advance of them (Capitol) receiving any final product from Brian.  At that point, obviously, they were planning on releasing the album, including the song "Vegetables".  Are you saying that at some point in time, they informed Brian that they were not going to release the album even if he finished it, or is that just a feeling that you got from the way things were going?  Did you and Van Dyke ever discuss the direction that Brian was taking with the album in early '67?  Did you ever get the impression that Brian thought that Van Dyke's lyrics were too 'sophisticated' or 'avant garde' for a Beach Boys record? 

I could ask more, but I'll stop here.  If you respond, I may have more questions for you.  Thank you for sharing whatever pieces of information that you remember...I know that was a long time ago.

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« Reply #287 on: January 22, 2015, 07:29:18 AM »

I voluntarily withdrew from this site, and not because Brian visited it, of which I was unaware. He appeared after I left. The invective was beyond my ability to respond. Grateful thanks to Don Malcom and Buddhahat, among others, for their reasoned and rational responses.

What else can a historian do than repeat what the principals told him? What else can he do than relate what he observed at the time? I am not here mainly to protect Brian, although I hope I can. I am here to serve the truth as I remember it.

Yes, I was wrong about Brian not writing ‘all’ the lyrics, and I posted that apology long ago. But, many of you don’t read or remember what has been posted, but insist on your own immediate, unfounded and uninformed opinions. Yes, Brian wrote the lyrics to several early songs, but had help that was not attributed due to Murry’s objections. Those early songs were mostly simplistic and elementary. The deeper, more meaningful lyrics that appeared later were credited collaborations.

What is all this ‘old man’ sh*t? I do not drink or use drugs. I am not ill. I smoked my last joint in 1981. I wrote a book on health supplements and lead a clean life. My mind is clear, as is my memory most of the time. Count the celebrities you see on TV that are my age, are they mentally disabled? Is Betty White? Is Barbara Walters? Is John McLaughlin? Is Dan Rather? Is Bill Moyers? Is Sean Connery? Is Clint Eastwood? Etc. Etc…

As to my ‘physical appearance’ on ‘Beautiful Dreamer’, I was 65 at the time. I didn’t look that bad. If  you’re objecting to my facial expressions, that’s who I am. I wonder how many of you would look good on TV. As Popeye said, “I yam what I yam, and that’s what I yam!”

Yes, Marilyn is a lovely, sweet person. But none of you were there when she refused to support Brian, when she yelled hysterically at him for every new thing he pursued that she, Mike, Murry and the Capitol executives objected to. SHE WAS NOT A LOYAL WIFE TO BRIAN! That is what I object to. And how could you know what went on in those days just by meeting her today? There is no insult to her that would be inappropriate. And, I don’t care if she’s the mother of Brian’s children – divorce courts are full of them.

Yes, I spelled Audree wrong. I apologize. Yes, I spelled Sachen wrong, I apologize. Just because few, or none of you, know this history doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. Have I used anger and invective to present my case, yes, I intended to do that. Am I angry about the abuse I’ve endured. Yes. Am I angry about the abuse Brian has endured? Double yes. Why so many of you dismiss what I have posted because of the tone of my writing is beyond my understanding. This is my personality, which has grown out the injustice I have seen and experienced in this world. Since my youth, morality has taken a dive in America. I object to that. I am a man of moral seriousness, which is the heritage of my race. Take it or leave it.

Tony Asher was once my best friend. We had a falling out along the way, plus he tried hard to get my wife to leave me. My information about the origins of ‘Good Vibrations’ came directly from Brian. I’m not surprised that Tony refused to confirm my assertions. As for Brian’s appearance on the site, once again, I never read it. I left before he appeared. I would, however, have no problem having a dialogue with him anywhere, any time. As far as I know, we are still friends. We met in San Francisco a few years ago and spent a day together talking over old times. We spoke of much that I have written about and he had no objections or concerns to offer.

I have no objections to my posts being pulled from Steve Hoffman. I never posted them there to begin with. They just appeared there following my posts to this site. I don’t know why.

From ‘The Legendary OSD’:

“When all is said and done, and it's not yet, I'm going with the one who was there at the time. There is no more authentic take on any subject than being present with the players in the same setting at the time it went down. Nothing...nothing can substitute that experience. You may not like the man, or his point of view but don't judge him on a few posts, give credit where credit is due. He was infinitely closer to the scene than the majority here. In other words, let's not shoot the messenger because someone here thinks they know better. Were you there in the mid sixties? Did you experience being with Brian and his family like this guy did, huh? Quite honestly, I'd like to see as much light as he cares to shed about all things Beach Boys because there is much more to learn regardless of who you are or what you think you know.”

Thank you, Legendary, for this. Would that many of your members have the same kindness of heart…

Many of the criticisms I have been trying to answer appeared on the WordPress site when I first posted the essay. My intention was to carry over these issues to this site in order to reach a wider BW audience. I know most of you were not aware of this contentious debate. I’m sorry for the confusion over the timing.

For the record, when I first posted my essay on WordPress, Van Dyke Parks and David Leaf both wrote me praising the piece. For the record: I still love Van Dyke, and I know he loves me.

Van Dyke just posted this on Twitter. "I confirm Lorren Daro's account of the 60s: an inconvenient truth, in its candor. Never judge a book by its movie!"

Van Dyke was there for much of the history I related. His ‘Why wasn’t I told…’ line was a sarcasm. He lived much of it with me. He was there as I was. He felt the same about Marilyn and the entire crew of assholes I wrote about. Again, these were a few terrible people, not everyone around Brian. The villains were, specifically: Mike, Murry, Marilyn, Sachen and the Capitol executives. They are all welcome to charge me with libel. I would be happy to appear in court to defend my positions, or to dialogue with them in any way they choose.

It’s important that you all know that life with Brian in those days was rife with lies. People lying to Brian: Brian lying to protect his real feelings intentions, desires and feelings. I was not the only one he didn’t lie to. He was straight with Anderle, with Van Dyke, with Vosse most of the time, with Carl, and several others.  Most everyone around him had their own agendas. I had none except to be his friend and advisor when he obviously needed one. I was there to confront and take issue with the people around him who wanted to use him, to exploit him, to make money from him. I am trying to expose these bastards for what they were, and probably still are. Murry, the helping father – NOT! Marilyn, the loving and supportive wife – NOT! Capitol, the encouraging executives – NOT! Mike, the protective pal – NOT! Sachen, the helpful assistant – NOT! Faced with this rogue’s gallery, who wouldn’t lie all the time.

Once again, since I was the villain of the piece, Brian could not, once our journey was over, sound supportive of me in any way. Just mentioning my name would find him in a sh*t-storm. He quickly learned cover stories for the songs, the LSD, the ideas I presented. These cover stories have been cast in stone for so long that even Brian must now believe some of them. None of that is my concern. My purpose is to expose these true villains for what they are: the ones who made Brian’s life miserable and helped to drive him to the mental problems that still plague him. One more time, I love and have always loved Brian. I take this sh*t from most of you to help him, to exonerate both he and myself. To show that someone understood what he faced at the time.

Please remember that the three years following his LSD experience were the most creative of his entire artistic life. After that, the bullshit he got from that list of true villains finally got to him, plus the bad drugs, the food, the conflicts with his wife, the problems with his ideas for new albums, and a host of other issues. I was long gone by then. Keep in mind that Mike called “Good Vibrations” “…a bunch of avant-guard sh*t.” Doesn’t that tell you something? So he wrote a 'hook' -- big deal...

For the record: Brian was driving – very well – during the later hours of his LSD trip. It was easy. His habit at the time was to drive around for hours in West Hollywood turning every two blocks, blasting the radio and thinking. It was second nature for him, so there was no danger. If there had been, I’d have stepped in.

All right, enough…

I’ll keep reading the posts, although it’s upsetting. I will keep track of the issues and post a reply when I feel it’s right. Enough support for me has been shown so far that I’m newly encouraged to continue.

Lorren Daro

There are some glaring issues that I find beyond outrageous.  

First, you knew or should have known that Brian was in a somewhat fragile state (after largely leaving the live shows) when you allegedly helped provide an "experience" to "enhance creativity."  Many "show biz" boomers have been similarly exploited, by predatory managers, etc.

Second,  there appears a complete refusal and failure to appreciate the "collateral damage" that was inflicted on those who were in Brian's "sphere" including a spouse, children, extended family, band members, and corporate entity, alongside Brian as a result of this or these events.  There appears to have absolutely no remorse for the harm inflicted.

Third, an attempt to contort an "epiphany" 1981 with some "healthy lifestyle choices" as a sort of self-absolution is ridiculous.

And, fourth, blaming those in this "sphere" as "non-supportive." This appears to be classic "victim-blaming."  It is the rapist blaming the rape event on a "short skirt." It is the murderer of a doctor blaming the death of his mother on the surgeon.  

And, I would liken it to a spouse who comes home drunk, and incapacitated to function as a responsible parent, breadwinner, and supportive spouse, and all happening with a "new best friend."  I would liken it to someone who gets your kid hooked on drugs, wreaking havoc on an entire family, his or her friends, a job, a school experience that becomes an overnight failure, etc.  Over 80 of my former students are dead from drugs. That is about a funeral or two, a month for the last 10 years, and math is not my strong suit.  "Collateral damage" from predators.

Following this reported "event," there are disconnected relationships, hospitalizations and stress that is unending, aggravating an apparent preexisting condition, and no apparent remorse forthcoming. If you were an interloper in my life, with a family member, you'd hear plenty of "Italian-style" hollering.  The whole concept of positioning Marilyn in an "enemy" concept is beyond absurd.  And, I do not know her, except from her reputation of a singer, good mom, and spouse who appears to have been supportive. I am not a witness but suspect, as with these "inconsistencies" this is not credible.

Ex.  The Post-LSD Syndrome: Diagnosis and Treatment by Irwin I. Roth. "The author proposes the recognition of a condition, which he terms The Post LSD Syndrome, in which patients who have had prior experience with LSD experience a triad of distressing symptoms, the triad of unique symptoms consists of a sleep disturbance, anxiety and forms of mental instability which are described in detail.  These symptoms can occur after decades of even one exposure to LSD.  The author describes in detail a variety if case studied which illustrate the various forms of pathology which the condition can manifest.

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This "creativity defense" is utter and irresponsible nonsense that has been propagandized by those who did not have to live with the consequences and who seek to "study" and "publish" studies.  People can be creative without the "benefit" of drugs.  In the interest of fairness, I have read that LSD has been used in a very limited context in the medical context for difficult-to-treat depression, to be fair.  However, this is different from "street dispensation" of a then-known dangerous substance. ***

***"Lysergic acid diethylamide comes from ergot mold, synthesized by Albert Hoffman in 1938. In the 1950's the CIA thought the drug would be applicable for mind control and chemical warfare." (Wiki)

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« Reply #288 on: January 22, 2015, 07:31:39 AM »

Excellent well-worded posts by Jason, Buddahat, Don, and Custom Machine to show support of the original thread staying intact. Very good responses by Billy and GF to support their views and why they agreed to abscond with the thread. Hopefully we can somehow rejuvenate the original thread and tie it to this one. Maybe the slanderous comments and statements that violated the rules can be edited out somehow. Maybe Mr. Daro will come back for a proper dialogue; I believe it would be entertaining and educational at the same time.

I second this.

I really don't understand the majority of responses here.  Everyone wants to know what really happened, but when we get a visit from someone who was there you rage against him.  Sorry, it doesn't make sense.  Because he doesn't like Marilyn?  I'm sure she's a lovely woman, but she doesn't need an army of white knights on the Smiley Smile forum to protect her.  And somebody not liking one of their friend's spouses is hardly unusual.  He's entitled to his opinions, popular or not.
My thoughts exactly. Information about Brian and the rest of them is what we all are looking for here, aren't we? We may not like some of it but oh well. We are getting some first hand experiences handed to us on a silver platter. How often does that happen? As with Ray's posts, we're getting gifts that don't happen in Smiley Smiledom nearly enough.
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« Reply #289 on: January 22, 2015, 07:31:53 AM »

I have not much to add but I just wanna point out the only way you can be sure to sell a million units... in January... is by releasing the album. And you claim they did not wanna release the album? Then why promote it?
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« Reply #290 on: January 22, 2015, 07:36:22 AM »

I was not at the ‘Rhonda’ sessions. I went to very few sessions other than that I was there for almost the entire run of sessions for ‘Pet Sounds’. I will say that I sat next to Brian on a plane from New York to LA while he wrote that song. I made no contributions to it. Sessions including Mike Love and the Boys were deliberately avoided by me. There was no purpose in doing that. My relationship was with Brian, not his band.

Maybe you just forgot about being at the session, Lorren. It's on the session tape, though we don't hear your voice. There was nobody else named Lorren or even "Laura" in the Beach Boy world at that time. Also, the original version of Rhonda was recorded in early January, 1965, which means it had to have been written in late 1964, or very early 1965 when he was resting at home in L.A. after the nervous breakdown in December.

If I have it right, my years with Brian ran from1963, when I was their Tour Manager for a short while (until Mike drove me away screaming) until the end of 1966, when he moved to Bellagio Road. I visited him there once, where he played me some unfinished versions of “Good Vibrations” and “Smile” No vocals, just music. It sounded nice, but there was nothing to think about them.

It's interesting that you were The Beach Boys' tour manager in 1963. I know Murry played an active roll in touring with them and being their manager in '63, then handed the reigns to David Marks' Dad for awhile until Murry re-assumed responsibility, then was ousted in early 1964. Do you remember any stories from being their tour manager back then?


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« Reply #291 on: January 22, 2015, 07:43:46 AM »

we're getting gifts that don't happen in Smiley Smiledom nearly enough.

Among them Brian Wilson himself on the board as a member and answering questions.

Just keeping it in perspective.  Wink
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« Reply #292 on: January 22, 2015, 07:49:08 AM »

we're getting gifts that don't happen in Smiley Smiledom nearly enough.

Among them Brian Wilson himself on the board as a member and answering questions.

Just keeping it in perspective.  Wink
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« Reply #293 on: January 22, 2015, 07:53:13 AM »

Please remember that the three years following his LSD experience were the most creative of his entire artistic life. After that, the bullshit he got from that list of true villains finally got to him, plus the bad drugs, the food, the conflicts with his wife, the problems with his ideas for new albums, and a host of other issues. I was long gone by then. Keep in mind that Mike called “Good Vibrations” “…a bunch of avant-guard sh*t.” Doesn’t that tell you something? So he wrote a 'hook' -- big deal...

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Mike only wrote the hook? Huh?  Mike was a Beach Boy from day one. Just because he had "issues" at times with Brian and/or the Band does not make him a villain. All bands do that stuff. Mike has stated again and again that "some" of that late 60's stuff was not his cup of tea. That's all. He still performed on the tracks as Brian directed him and worked hard to keep the Band relevant. 50 years after the facts why anyone else feels the need to once again drudge up the old Mike Love had a lot to do with ruining Brian narrative is beyond me.
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« Reply #294 on: January 22, 2015, 07:56:38 AM »

Lorren,

I was one of those who castigated you for taking the "low road" instead of the "high road" in your first post.  I disclosed that I am a personal friend of Marilyn Wilson-Rutherford, however I have only known Marilyn for the last 25 years, so I can't speak to her actions 50 years ago, other than what she has told me in personal conversations (which are obviously from her perspective).  I'll admit that I was offended by your tone and choice of words directed at my friend -- and at a lady in general.  Down south (I was born and raised in Jackson, Mississippi, less than two hours away from Hattiesburg where Van Dyke was born -- he and I have discussed this several times) we just don't do that to a lady -- at least in public!  I felt that you could have gotten your point across in a public forum with less offensive terms such as "naive," "immature," "over-protective" "ill-prepared to be a wife at 16 years old," "ill-prepared to be the wife of a musical genius at 19," etc., and even with regards to your personal relationship with her, "disliked me," "didn't trust me," even perhaps "hated me."  All of which I could have tolerated, and most of which I would probably agree with.

I respect your decision to return to this board, and I will try to read with an open mind -- as long as the blows remain "above the belt."

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« Reply #295 on: January 22, 2015, 08:12:30 AM »


Ex.  The Post-LSD Syndrome: Diagnosis and Treatment by Irwin I. Roth. "The author proposes the recognition of a condition, which he terms The Post LSD Syndrome, in which patients who have had prior experience with LSD experience a triad of distressing symptoms, the triad of unique symptoms consists of a sleep disturbance, anxiety and forms of mental instability which are described in detail.  These symptoms can occur after decades of even one exposure to LSD.  The author describes in detail a variety if case studied which illustrate the various forms of pathology which the condition can manifest.

Typical cases which consist of a fairly clear and direct presentation of the basic triad of symptoms are described, as are atypical cases in which other symptoms may appear to predominate, such as depression and addictions.  Situations in which other conditions may coexist with The LSD-Syndrome and in which they reenforce each other, such as PTSD, are also described.


In all fairness, back in the mid 60s when people started popping trips like it was going out of fashion, few had any idea of what the long term effects of LSD could do to them.
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« Reply #296 on: January 22, 2015, 08:31:31 AM »


Ex.  The Post-LSD Syndrome: Diagnosis and Treatment by Irwin I. Roth. "The author proposes the recognition of a condition, which he terms The Post LSD Syndrome, in which patients who have had prior experience with LSD experience a triad of distressing symptoms, the triad of unique symptoms consists of a sleep disturbance, anxiety and forms of mental instability which are described in detail.  These symptoms can occur after decades of even one exposure to LSD.  The author describes in detail a variety if case studied which illustrate the various forms of pathology which the condition can manifest.

Typical cases which consist of a fairly clear and direct presentation of the basic triad of symptoms are described, as are atypical cases in which other symptoms may appear to predominate, such as depression and addictions.  Situations in which other conditions may coexist with The LSD-Syndrome and in which they reenforce each other, such as PTSD, are also described.


In all fairness, back in the mid 60s when people started popping trips like it was going out of fashion, few had any idea of what the long term effects of LSD could do to them.

And, I might add, in 1965 LSD was not yet an illegal substance.  I was going to comment on some of filledeplage's comments, but I thought better of it.  I will say this...during the '90s I played in a band with a guy who had grown up in L.A. in the '60s.  He, in fact, became a member of a very famous group, and they had several hit records in the late '60s / early '70s.  I spoke with him often about his own experiences with various substances back then, and he said that virtually everyone who was a musician in L.A. in the '60s did one drug or another (or several, of course).  It was the norm, rather than the exception.
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« Reply #297 on: January 22, 2015, 08:40:48 AM »


Ex.  The Post-LSD Syndrome: Diagnosis and Treatment by Irwin I. Roth. "The author proposes the recognition of a condition, which he terms The Post LSD Syndrome, in which patients who have had prior experience with LSD experience a triad of distressing symptoms, the triad of unique symptoms consists of a sleep disturbance, anxiety and forms of mental instability which are described in detail.  These symptoms can occur after decades of even one exposure to LSD.  The author describes in detail a variety if case studied which illustrate the various forms of pathology which the condition can manifest.

Typical cases which consist of a fairly clear and direct presentation of the basic triad of symptoms are described, as are atypical cases in which other symptoms may appear to predominate, such as depression and addictions.  Situations in which other conditions may coexist with The LSD-Syndrome and in which they reenforce each other, such as PTSD, are also described.


In all fairness, back in the mid 60s when people started popping trips like it was going out of fashion, few had any idea of what the long term effects of LSD could do to them.

Plus it was undiluted acid back then, very strong, and much different than today's LSD.
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« Reply #298 on: January 22, 2015, 09:07:19 AM »

Hi Lorren,

Thanks for taking the trouble to return. Quite daunting I'm sure, so respect to you.

I've said my bit in your defense so won't clog this thread up any more with that stuff. I hope your time here is not entirely unpleasant and can see there is quite a lot of interest in what you have to say which is heartening.

My question, which may have already been asked, is a broad one really. Do you have any specific or fond memories of your time with Brian and Van Dyke Parks relating to their work on Smile? Do you remember Brian's sandbox for instance? Or did you ever see them discussing, or working on specific Smile songs?
 
Perhaps the following titles might jog your memory but no worries if not:

Surf's Up
Heroes and Villains
Do you Like Worms
Cabinessence
Wonderful
Fire
The Elements

Best,

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« Reply #299 on: January 22, 2015, 09:08:31 AM »


Ex.  The Post-LSD Syndrome: Diagnosis and Treatment by Irwin I. Roth. "The author proposes the recognition of a condition, which he terms The Post LSD Syndrome, in which patients who have had prior experience with LSD experience a triad of distressing symptoms, the triad of unique symptoms consists of a sleep disturbance, anxiety and forms of mental instability which are described in detail.  These symptoms can occur after decades of even one exposure to LSD.  The author describes in detail a variety if case studied which illustrate the various forms of pathology which the condition can manifest.

Typical cases which consist of a fairly clear and direct presentation of the basic triad of symptoms are described, as are atypical cases in which other symptoms may appear to predominate, such as depression and addictions.  Situations in which other conditions may coexist with The LSD-Syndrome and in which they reenforce each other, such as PTSD, are also described.

In all fairness, back in the mid 60s when people started popping trips like it was going out of fashion, few had any idea of what the long term effects of LSD could do to them.

And, I might add, in 1965 LSD was not yet an illegal substance.  I was going to comment on some of filledeplage's comments, but I thought better of it.  I will say this...during the '90s I played in a band with a guy who had grown up in L.A. in the '60s.  He, in fact, became a member of a very famous group, and they had several hit records in the late '60s / early '70s.  I spoke with him often about his own experiences with various substances back then, and he said that virtually everyone who was a musician in L.A. in the '60s did one drug or another (or several, of course).  It was the norm, rather than the exception.
Mikes Beard and Lost Art - I do get what went on in the 1960's, being a 60's kid and went to college and grad school in the 70's. Dr. Tim Leary wrote and espoused this transhumanist concept involving "space migration, intelligence increase and life extension." (SMI2LE ) (the 2 should be as in 2 squared and I'm on an ipad.) He was involved with LSD experimentation. They knew in the 40's and 50's it was dangerous.  If the CIA was contemplating using if for mind control and chemical warfare and Leary was a PhD, he should have known the risks. Leary was not an MD. I'm not looking at legal issues but moral issues.

What I have just read on Tim Leary is that he used psilocybin (Mexican mushroom) with psychedelic properties on a "cohort" of Concord prison inmates, and Andover Theological Seminarians as subjects.  His career is a very checkered one, to say the least, from what I have read, and allegedly inflating his research results. This is a huge oversimplification.  And yes, it is widely known that lots were involved.  

But I guess my point and question would be the collateral damage to the whole "sphere."  And whether there was some kind of "agency relationship" between the two persons.  Meaning as between Brian and Mr. Daro.  Did he have a duty, by extension, to the band, if he was a manager to protect him, and thus protect the band as well, by extension? Now, I'm looking at legal and moral issues.  

And Mikie is correct on potency.

This guy is 75. Brian appears to be so forgiving of so much, without formal apologies.  One only needs to look at him while being serenaded at the Kennedy Center a few years ago.  I think Mikie linked that the other night. Thanks.

Maybe Mr. Daro should say he is sorry, even if he was "asked" to procure the stuff for his "error in judgment."  Brian is on our forum!

Maybe it is time. Just sayin'.   Wink
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