Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.

[Peter Reum]

Mental illness is real, and for those who struggle with it, it is a daily mountain that has to be climbed, just to function like everyday society. Having a disability only makes you stronger. That is what I hear Debbie saying.  Ray is a saint. He has devoted many years of his life to supporting Brian, no matter what the circumstances. The movie cannot tell the whole story. The truth is so much BIGGER than that.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

What do you recommend goes with Chicken McNuggets? 

an enema?

[pixletwin]

What do you recommend goes with Chicken McNuggets? 

an enema?

And that, folks, brings us back to Brian! 

[The Shift]

What do you recommend goes with Chicken McNuggets? 

A warm Bud Light.

Gppd (aka rel) ales should be served at room temp.

Today's recommendation is, unexpectedly, Thwaites' Wainwright, currently being brewed by Marstons on Thwaites' behalf.

[Ray Lawlor]

Mental illness is real, and for those who struggle with it, it is a daily mountain that has to be climbed, just to function like everyday society. Having a disability only makes you stronger. That is what I hear Debbie saying.  Ray os a saint. He has devoted many years of his life to supporting Brian, no matter what the circumstances. The movie cannot tell the whole story. The truth is so much BIGGER than that.

Peter; thats very nice of you to say , you can cash my check now !  My ex wife will correctly argue otherwise....the only thing in her entire existence she would be correct about I might add......on that note I will join John Manning at the bar

[Pretty Funky]

Off topic. 

Interview with actors from the movie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKlj33Xp7wo

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

....is the bar located here?



No truth to the rumor that the deputy mayor is Sam Sleeptight.


*cough*

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Off topic. 

Interview with actors from the movie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKlj33Xp7wo

Pet Sessions? Part X? Ummm...yeah.

[Mark H]

It's pretty clear in a lot of threads here that people don't post how they would talk to someone in real life.  Standard internet forum behaviour.

I'd be up for more/stronger action on people who are clearly being offensive and rude to others.  This is not needed and you can just ignore it but, as Donnie rightly says, it does serve to lessen, derail and ultimately prevent the more interesting conversations.

Can't wait for the first trailer, mine's a Guiness John, Cheers! 

[Mikie]

It's pretty clear in a lot of threads here that people don't post how they would talk to someone in real life.  Standard internet forum behaviour.

I'd be up for more/stronger action on people who are clearly being offensive and rude to others.  This is not needed and you can just ignore it but, as Donnie rightly says, it does serve to lessen, derail and ultimately prevent the more interesting conversations.

Can't wait for the first trailer, mine's a Guiness John, Cheers! 

His name is spelt "Donny".  And I'm "Mikie".  And you're..........."Marky" or "Markie"?  Glad to meet you. 

[Shady]

Off topic. 

Interview with actors from the movie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKlj33Xp7wo

It's very cool to hear John and Paul talking about what I assume is "Tune X" .

They really did their homework

[Shady]

Incredible, 5 star BBC review

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140911-beach-boys-film-a-miracle

[guitarfool2002]

Lagunitas Little Sumpin', please

[Mikie]

Ray likes Stella Artois. Upon his recommendation, I brought a 6-er home a few weekends ago and tried one. I'll save the rest for when I show up on his doorstep with it. Ray, are you still accepting visitors?

[guitarfool2002]

Ray likes Stella Artois. Upon his recommendation, I brought a 6-er home a few weekends ago and tried one. I'll save the rest for when I show up on his doorstep with it. Ray, are you still accepting visitors?

If you're serving Stella, Mikie, you need to get the Stella glass. It's designed specifically for enhancing the flavor of Stella. I have one, got it when I bought a case for a party a few years ago.

I'm still waiting on my Hoegaarden glass to arrive in the mail, the one I supposedly "won" online. 

[Mark H]

It's pretty clear in a lot of threads here that people don't post how they would talk to someone in real life.  Standard internet forum behaviour.

I'd be up for more/stronger action on people who are clearly being offensive and rude to others.  This is not needed and you can just ignore it but, as Donnie rightly says, it does serve to lessen, derail and ultimately prevent the more interesting conversations.

Can't wait for the first trailer, mine's a Guiness John, Cheers! 

His name is spelt "Donny".  And I'm "Mikie".  And you're..........."Marky" or "Markie"?  Glad to meet you. 

   Marky!  Cheers and likewise!

[guitarfool2002]

This board's getting a rep as a place to avoid, and I can completely understand that.

This is something to be concerned about and address going forward. If it's not something for public viewing, anyone please feel free to contact me via private message or off the board to discuss the issues behind this.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Same here. I'm pretty approachable. ..i dont bite (unless you're made of food)

[JohnMill]

This board's getting a rep as a place to avoid, and I can completely understand that.

This is something to be concerned about and address going forward. If it's not something for public viewing, anyone please feel free to contact me via private message or off the board to discuss the issues behind this.

I think it's a blunt over reaction.  Those who choose to avoid the forum due to it's nature will avoid it while those who enjoy the temperament of the forum will continue to peruse it.  It's really no different from any other forum on the internet if you plot it on a bell curve.  You have a group of individuals all with opinions, being allowed to express those opinions (within the bounds of societal norms and good taste) freely.  You have some forum members who are more sensitive to criticism than others and then you have other forum members who feel the need to shout down the viewpoints of others at a regular clip.  Fortunately the moderators have done a bang up job of weeding out the individuals that occupy the second group.

In between these two extremes, you have the vast majority of the forum.  People who congregate here in hopes of exchanging ideas, sharing their passion over a common interest and generally having a good time.  The thing to remember at least in my opinion is that this isn't rocket science.  We are discussing a rock and roll band and our feelings regarding almost every aspect of said band.  We aren't looking to bloody noses or to provoke fights just for the sake of doing so.  We have passionate debates that like on any other internet forum can become adversarial in nature due to the aforementioned personalities of the parties involved.  There is nothing inherently extraordinary about this forum as far as that is concerned.  

If forum members are taking personal offense to another forum members actions then that is something that needs to be worked out preferably between the two parties involved.  More times than not it's the interaction between individual parties (which can oftentimes resolved amicably) and not the temperature of the entire forum which is the issue at hand.  To put it in layman's terms, some people are like "oil and water" and would be best not addressing each other on a public forum after it has been determined that more times than not any interaction between the parties results in conflict that derails the rest of the forum and brings the temperature in the room down to an icy chill.  This again goes back to what I mentioned about the other day about us all being adults and not needing a lecture from other forum members on how to conduct ourselves or compose our forum messages.  We should have all by now mastered the art of basic social interaction and as such are aware of the social boundaries that exist in terms of how to address one another.  The old phrases "attack the issue, not the person" and "don't say anything over a keyboard that you wouldn't say to someone's face" are extremely appropriate here.  Furthermore more times than not it's patently obvious when somebody crosses these social boundaries and those issues are the ones that should be dealt with through moderation in hopes of preserving the forum.  

However, in the main most issues that arise within the forum itself can be worked out between the dissenting parties.  Either through agreeing to disagree, the tacit knowledge that you can disagree with a person's viewpoints on a matter but still value the person themselves or simply avoiding forum members with whom you know you are likely to find conflict with.  We have what almost 3,000 members here?  Surely we can all find someone (if not many people) we enjoy conversing with.  

In summation the sky is not falling, the surf will undoubtedly continue to rise and fall and Mike Love will continue to be true to his school.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

^ Well said John

[startBBtoday]

Not saying anyone needs to treat the special guests with kid gloves or anything, but I think it's fair to say that most aren't exactly experienced message board users, so it's probably going to rub them the wrong way to use an attacking tone in a reply. And I took a couple of the responses to Debbie's posts as attacking, even if they weren't intended that way, so it's entirely possible and probable that she did too.

As someone who doesn't post often but reads this message board every day, I think the new information that special guests bring is very special. And it's something that most users with an outside view don't bring. Of course, posters with an outside view make this board readable on a daily basis.

[DonnyL]

I have been reading this thread, but rarely post to the board anymore because I would describe the general vibe to be somewhat hostile. Perhaps this is due to an admittedly small group of very active users displaying a general disrespectful tone. I've seen a lot of very interesting new posters 'chased away' ... I think some people get used to the 'locker room' style of conversing ... 'outsiders' can see it very plainly, but the posters who are 'in it' cannot recognize it, or don't see it as a problem. A little bit of groupthink or something maybe.

That said, I do feel that most people here are respectful and pleasant. It just seems that the ones who are not are the loudest and post the most often.

I think the board would be better served to treat others here the way they would treat them in person.

Considering that is not likely to happen, I think a heavily moderated approach would actually work well, with a non-moderated adjacent board. The brash posters would probably get moved (or banned or whatever) quickly, and/or lose interest in posting so often or change their tone.

Aside from that, most of the threads going on these days are just plain boring in my opinion (not this one)! I suspect the reasons for the lack of real content are related to the hostile environment.

Just my 2 cents.

Donny. At the risk of derailing this thread, but it's about the third time you've addressed this subject recently.

Please read my opinions on this subject above, especially concerning sensitive readers/posters, then please let me know what you think, OK?

My opinion: The board is just fine. The mods are just fine. Adjustments have already been made and it's for the better of everyone here. The world is not a nice place in some areas, but this board serves as somewhat of an escape - a sanctuary as it were. I see this board as a positive environment. I agree with your statement that most threads these days are somewhat boring for lack of real content. It's cyclic. The nature of the board. Soon there will be new stuff and opinions (positive and negative) will fly once more. If you don't like what a specific poster has to say, either skip over it or jump in and counter it with YOUR opinion, instead of hanging back for days/weeks and then whining and complaining about it on the board. Lively discussions are always welcome as far as I'm concerned, otherwise this, like you said, would be a pretty boring place.

Sure man -- I'm with you to some degree. Yes, I've brought it up before ... probably the last posts I've made over the past few months. Because I think it's important.

Where we disagree is the idea that the board is in good shape -- I don't think it is. I don't really consider myself a 'sensitive poster' ... I can pretty much hang with the weird locker room $hit, though ultimately I don't really like that kind of atmosphere.

Every time I've brought it up is when I see something going on as an observer, not as a participant. I've seen it happen so many times now, that you're right -- it's probably pointless to bring it up again. It's not like I'm on some crusade to clean up the board. It's basically that I don't post unless I feel I have something of value to add. And in threads like these, I see something begin that could lead to wonderful content and information, only for it to be derailed into weirdness.

So maybe Debbie Keil just came to say a few words and leave. But I can't help but wonder if her experiences here (past or present) were different, she may have hung out a little longer.

I'm with ya, Donny.  You know, The Bay Area contingent should be on the same wavelength, and I think we are in agreement for the most part.

Only a handful (or less) of you guys here have the extensive knowledge of recording equipment (especially analog) and the recording process, and how Brian and Chuck Britz and Larry Levine tracked and mixed records. Maybe you can start a new thread or rejuvenate an old one on the subject. I, for one, enjoy the hell out of reading that stuff. Have somewhat limited knowledge, but would like to know more! Use to enjoy Josh's contributions on the subject, but unfortunately it looks like he bailed. I don't think you'd see much arguing going on on a thread like that! c

Yes, those kinds of threads are a good example of what I'm talking about. They were basically a few of us asking a bunch of questions, coming up with a bunch of theories, and kind of not really getting anywhere ... because some of the people who may have the answers are not posting. Yes, there are many reasons beyond the tone of board, but I really believe that is part of it.

If I ever come up with any great info ... regarding questions like, 'Where was Pet Sounds mixed?' (such a basic question!), I will surely start a thread about it. I did notice in one of the photos from the 'Love and Mercy' movie, they got the Columbia 8-track tape machine correct -- which is quite a feat. It was custom made from Ampex PR-10/354 stereo electronics mated to a 300 transport -- a one-off. So they either got the original machine, or created one from parts. Possible that Columbia made more than one of these, or that some other person/studio made one in the same way, so don't bet any money that it's the original machine!

PS - I'm in Portland, OR now. I sure do miss Oakland/SF/Berkeley ... even San Leandro!

[Cyncie]

I do think the tone of the board can be a bit snarky. I've been here for a few years but have a relatively low post count because I just don't feel like engaging in mud slinging over my favorite band. A simple statement like "I don't really care for X" gets you 10 people insisting that you must not be a "real fan."  There's nothing wrong with having opposing opinions. There's also nothing wrong with treating each other with respect while expressing them.

[JohnMill]

Before I begin I want to state for the record that what I'm about to post should not be viewed as a personal attack of any sort and I am merely using your post as a jumping off point as you do raise a number of good issues.

Not saying anyone needs to treat the special guests with kid gloves or anything, but I think it's fair to say that most aren't exactly experienced message board users

If you could identity the party that is to blame for this (if any) it would be helpful in finding a resolution to the issue at hand.  The problem is I personally am not sure if there is a guilty party in this matter.  We live in the age in which communication over a keyboard is becoming more and more the norm and a skill that many more people are becoming adept at than not. While I have sympathy and understanding for the novice, when you enter the forum you should at least have some understanding as to how internet forums in general function.  If anything you should realize that they are not always accurate predictors of social interaction but more of a social brainstorming for lack of a better term where people ask questions, debate and interact with one another in hopes of furthering discussion of the topic at hand.

And I took a couple of the responses to Debbie's posts as attacking, even if they weren't intended that way, so it's entirely possible and probable that she did too.

This is where subjectivity comes into play.  When speaking of individual personalities that comprise a group it's impossible to dilute the entire group down to the lowest common denominator where everyone addresses everyone else in a type of manner which could be agreed upon by all members of the group as being non-offensive.  "Treating others the way you wish to be treated yourself" is good advice but what it does not allow for is the notion of subjectivity which demonstrates what one might find a perfectly acceptable means of conversing could very easily strike another as a post which is of an antagonizing nature.  Therefore what satisfies one forum member will more often than not fail to satisfy the next.  Which is why these situations are best taken at face value and can be analyzed as individual cases rather than painting these situations with a wide brush.  

As someone who doesn't post often but reads this message board every day, I think the new information that special guests bring is very special. And it's something that most users with an outside view don't bring. Of course, posters with an outside view make this board readable on a daily basis.

You bring up two very good points here.  First hand knowledge is important and should be regarded as such.  It allows the forum members to access concrete knowledge and answers to questions which otherwise may be left up for speculation and opinion.  However one of the hallmarks of being able to learn from one another as a group is the ability for the members of the forum to question matters which to them don't make sense or don't jive with their viewpoints on the matter.  While knowledge is indeed power, what is in fact more powerful is the opportunity to question that knowledge in hopes of accessing truth.  Essentially one entity doesn't exist without the other.  There is of course a distinct difference between questioning someone's opinions or statements and questioning just to antagonize another party.  But once again, the differences between these two forms of questioning are usually quite evident right from the very start.  

Edit: And with that I think I'm done with this discussion as I probably haven't told anyone anything they didn't already know.  Apologies in advance for any feathers I may have ruffled in this thread as the song goes: "I sure don't wanna hurt no one"

[GoodVibrations33]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, interview from the Variety YouTube channel:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBbHzjkQZzY