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Title: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
Post by: Shady on August 24, 2014, 08:24:04 PM
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We are days away from Love & Mercy being released at the Toronto Film Festival, it's first showing is on Sunday the 7th of September. John Cusack is expected to attended, no word on Brian.

I'm happy to say that the film has already received a rave review from the festival co-director, ""Dispensing with staid biopic conventions, director Bill Pohlad nimbly intercuts between two key periods in Wilson's life, shining a double spotlight on his rise to stardom with the Beach Boys in the sixties and his remarkable eighties solo resurgence. As the younger Wilson, Paul Dano gives a superb performance that conveys the artist's prodigious gifts as well as his increasingly precarious mental state; the scenes of creative exploration during the Pet Sounds sessions are exhilarating. John Cusack is equally compelling, burrowing into himself as Dano's middle-aged counterpart."

We'll follow it's showing in this thread, reviews, pics etc.

German TV coverage, Love & Mercy starts at 4:32.

http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=play&obj=49273

Few but interesting footage.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Woodstock on August 24, 2014, 08:27:09 PM
Everything points to this movie being amazing - the incorrect woodie has not destroyed the film!! - and I can't wait to see it.



Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Capitol Punishment on August 24, 2014, 08:30:33 PM
Only 2 more weeks! If only I lived in Canada or near Toronto. However, I'm still hoping they find a distributor and release it soon here in the US.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Pretty Funky on August 24, 2014, 09:23:42 PM
Hey I hope it does well but surely the role of a 'festival co-director' is to promote and sell tickets so I take any review from within the TIFF with a pinch of salt.

Fingers crossed though.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Shady on August 24, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
Very true. I just found the comment "the scenes of creative exploration during the Pet Sounds sessions are exhilarating" pretty interesting. It's nice to known the Pet Sounds sessions get some screen time.

No matter how bad the movie is those scenes should be good.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: guitarfool2002 on August 24, 2014, 09:35:18 PM
Very true. I just found the comment "the scenes of creative exploration during the Pet Sounds sessions are exhilarating" pretty interesting. It's nice to known the Pet Sounds sessions get some screen time.

No matter how bad the movie is those scenes should be good.

Several stills of these '66 studio scenes have appeared on Twitter and such via the actors and musicians playing the musicians (what???  ;D  ), a few are in the BW film thread. I'm very much looking forward to seeing (and hearing) those scenes on the big screen.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: GoogaMooga on August 24, 2014, 11:58:39 PM
 i hope it gets worldwide distrbution and preems in denmark. if danish tv could show the beard movie, surely there must be a market for something so clearly better. if jersey boys can get danish distribution, i don't see why love and mercy shouldn't have a market. only the older generation of danes remember the four seasons at all, but beach boys span the generations, as they do all over the world. isn't there also a dennis movie in production?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: wantsomecorn on August 25, 2014, 12:41:22 AM
Interesting to see that the film isn't structured chronologically. Should make for an interesting experience watching it.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: phirnis on August 25, 2014, 04:44:13 AM
Dying to see the director's cut version with the BW/Alice Cooper/Iggy Pop "Shortenin' Bread" scene taking up one straight hour right in the middle of the film.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Heywood on August 25, 2014, 05:37:05 AM
And the day before ....


Roger Waters The Wall
Rue 21 Productions Presents
A Film By Roger Waters and Sean Evans
ROGER WATERS THE WALL
World Premiere September 6, 2014 Toronto International Film Festival

http://www.tiff.net/festivals/thefestival/programmes/specialpresentations/the-wall





Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: HeyJude on August 25, 2014, 09:03:41 AM
I hope this film manages to be interesting. Statements like "remarkable eighties solo resurgence" sound a bit weird to me. I'm curious how dark and accurate the Landy portrayal (not just the Landy character himself, but the whole situation) is going to be.

But I do like the idea of dispensing with a chronological movie trying to hit all the points. Invariably, what seems to happen in those cases is mostly covering the 60's, conflating the 70's into one or two key things (spaced out Brian, etc.), and barely touching on the 80's. This will be different, so that could be good.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: joshferrell on August 25, 2014, 09:06:31 AM
I was wondering if maybe they are playing this at the film festival so that they can find someone to distribute it... also why doesn't Capitol distribute it, or at least find a studio that they have worked closely with in the past? after all they have worked with movie companies before.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 26, 2014, 04:15:06 AM
isn't there also a dennis movie in production?

Not for some time. It was shelved last year.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 26, 2014, 04:16:31 AM
Everything points to this movie being amazing...

Really ?  Such as ?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Dudd on August 26, 2014, 04:29:42 AM
isn't there also a dennis movie in production?

Not for some time. It was shelved last year.
Well, there's this one: https://www.facebook.com/BiggerThanTheBeatles (https://www.facebook.com/BiggerThanTheBeatles)


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: HeyJude on August 26, 2014, 08:40:48 AM
I was wondering if maybe they are playing this at the film festival so that they can find someone to distribute it... also why doesn't Capitol distribute it, or at least find a studio that they have worked closely with in the past? after all they have worked with movie companies before.

I don't think Capitol does movie distribution these days. Obviously, their parent company Universal does. I don't suppose it's out of the realm of possibilities that due to Brian's relationship with Capitol/Universal, they could try to catch the attention of Universal or some sort of indie subsidiary if they have one.

I think they want to get the thing into theaters. I'm sure there are plenty of home video distributors that would put this thing out on Blu/DVD. I don't think we should worry about that so much. It's a matter of whether they can get a good distributor to give this a real push in theaters, and if so, how long they will take to see that out and then run it in theaters.

It could well be another year before we can buy a DVD or Blu-ray of this film. If/when they get a distributor, it will probably run a bunch of festival circuits and then do the arthouse circuit, limited runs, etc. There doesn't seem to be a big chance of this getting widespread, 3,000-screen distribution.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Roger Ryan on August 26, 2014, 09:47:38 AM
isn't there also a dennis movie in production?

Not for some time. It was shelved last year.
Well, there's this one: https://www.facebook.com/BiggerThanTheBeatles (https://www.facebook.com/BiggerThanTheBeatles)

Here's a scene from the BIGGER THAN THE BEATLES film...

http://www.imdb.com/video/demo_reel/vi2592385049

...as you can see, this is very "indie" with an obvious low budget (I'm trying to be nice).

As to THE DRUMMER: that project was initiated by Randall Miller who probably won't be directing anything soon after being charged with manslaughter and criminal trespass during the shooting of his Greg Allman biopic. It's probably a good thing to keep him away from Dennis; his CBGB is one of the worst music-oriented films I've seen.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Dutchie on August 26, 2014, 11:12:00 AM
will the movie have a cd with remakes of BB songs performed by Brian?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Lowbacca on August 26, 2014, 11:16:29 AM
Everything points to this movie being amazing...

Really ?  Such as ?
::) Good crew (/creative team), inspired cast.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: beacharg on August 26, 2014, 12:12:14 PM

Should we expect a trailer before the premiere or not? I think i'm waiting anxiously in vain.
I recently read that a trailer is usually released 2/3 months before cinema debut, so maybe we'll have to wait another 2/3 months to see a trailer :(
(of course sometimes depends on the promotion strategy and the demand, but this one doesn't feel like being a top anticipated movie)


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Rocket on August 26, 2014, 12:13:32 PM
Are we ever getting a trailer?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Lowbacca on August 26, 2014, 12:40:43 PM
Are we ever getting a trailer?
Of course there'll be a trailer. Should be soon now.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: RiC on August 26, 2014, 12:47:30 PM
I want a trailer!

(That scene from the independent Dennis-movie looked actually pretty good, even though it propably isn't even a scene in the actual movie, what so ever. A billion time better than any scene from the Summer Dreams-fecal festival).


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Wirestone on August 26, 2014, 12:48:10 PM
will the movie have a cd with remakes of BB songs performed by Brian?

No.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: beacharg on August 26, 2014, 01:04:30 PM
Are we ever getting a trailer?

Well, the movie is finished, has top actors in it, it's about to premiere a major festival and it's ranked 153 in the 200 most anticipated films of 2014, so yes, I think we are getting a movie and of course a trailer; when and how is the question.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Dudd on August 26, 2014, 01:31:28 PM
I think someone said before that it's premiering at the festival to pick up a distributor - then we'll get a trailer.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Woodstock on August 27, 2014, 03:21:29 AM
Ideally it'd be coming out at the same time as the details on the B-Dubs album.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: tony p on August 27, 2014, 10:21:31 PM
A new film about Wilson's battle with what is euphemistically called his "demons" is set to premiere Sept. 7 at the Toronto International Film Festival. Titled "Love and Mercy," it stars Paul Dano and John Cusack as the young and old Wilson, respectively, and Paul Giamatti as Dr. Eugene Landy, the late psychotherapist who took control of Wilson's life as a financial conservator, musical collaborator and 24/7 counselor. It follows Wilson in the mid-1960s as he suffers psychotic episodes and struggles with drug abuse and obesity.

Wilson has actively been involved in fine-tuning the film, which has been in development since 1988. He went to a recent table reading, his publicist, Jean Sievers said, and provided the production team with some notes. It already has an international distribution deal from Lionsgate.

http://www.desertsun.com/story/life/entertainment/music/2014/08/27/beach-boys-brian-wilson/14716185/

Not related to L&M, but he also speaks on Foskett leaving his band, depression, and some other things

Some interesting quotes from the article:

Wilson says flat out, "The Beach Boys band is not as good as my band.

"The Brian Wilson Band is younger and has better musicians," he said. "They play better, they sing better. They are really just excellent musicians."


and

Asked when the other material he recorded with Beck will be released, he said, "Not soon."


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 27, 2014, 11:20:35 PM
Very reasonable and interesting article, but someone really needs to do better research: of those "ten lesser-known songs", three were US Top 20 hits and two more went US Top 40: in all, six charted, and that's not considering the foreign markets.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Dudd on August 27, 2014, 11:22:55 PM
It already has an international distribution deal from Lionsgate.

 :rock :rock :rock

This is all that matters. Now where's my trailer


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on August 27, 2014, 11:34:22 PM
Brian was obese in the mid 60s?  I also didn't know Sail On Sailor was a beautiful ballad. Who wrote this sh*t?

Edit

And a video link to that infamous 1981 performance? ! Thankfully GoK and not Dont Worry Baby, though.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: startBBtoday on August 27, 2014, 11:58:59 PM
Someone finally asks questions that we want answers to, and we can only complain about the two facts he got wrong.

Who wrote this sh*t? Someone who's not as obsessed with Brian Wilson as we are.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: shelter on August 28, 2014, 12:53:32 AM
Who wrote this sh*t? Someone who's not as obsessed with Brian Wilson as we are.

Has nothing to do with being obsessed or not. If you're a journalist and you make several mistakes (calling a rocker a ballad, calling several well-known hit songs obscure, placing Brian's weight problems in the wrong decade) that could very easily have been prevented by checking Wikipedia for two minutes and by actually giving the songs you're talking about a quick listen, than you're kinda doing a poor job.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on August 28, 2014, 01:03:04 AM
Exactly. 


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: startBBtoday on August 28, 2014, 01:09:14 AM
Who wrote this sh*t? Someone who's not as obsessed with Brian Wilson as we are.

Has nothing to do with being obsessed or not. If you're a journalist and you make several mistakes (calling a rocker a ballad, calling several well-known hit songs obscure, placing Brian's weight problems in the wrong decade) that could very easily have been prevented by checking Wikipedia for two minutes and by actually giving the songs you're talking about a quick listen, than you're kinda doing a poor job.

He didn't write obscure. He wrote "lesser-known." And lesser known is, quite frankly, in the eye of the beholder. And I'm sure the general reader of The Desert Sun probably can't immediately recall Hawaii, Please Let Me Wonder or Wild Honey.

As a journalist, I understand that the mistakes about Sail On Sailor and Brian being obese in the 60s shouldn't have happened, but I also understand that they DO happen, no matter the writer, process or editor.

It's just odd to me that someone finally churns out a decent interview, asking Brian questions we want to hear, and now we're talking about the two things he got wrong more than any new information. I suppose it's the problem with the internet, though. All anyone wants to do is complain.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: shelter on August 28, 2014, 01:39:26 AM
He didn't write obscure. He wrote "lesser-known." And lesser known is, quite frankly, in the eye of the beholder. And I'm sure the general reader of The Desert Sun probably can't immediately recall Hawaii, Please Let Me Wonder or Wild Honey.

As a journalist, I understand that the mistakes about Sail On Sailor and Brian being obese in the 60s shouldn't have happened, but I also understand that they DO happen, no matter the writer, process or editor.

It's just odd to me that someone finally churns out a decent interview, asking Brian questions we want to hear, and now we're talking about the two things he got wrong more than any new information. I suppose it's the problem with the internet, though. All anyone wants to do is complain.

I don't think you should have a whole lot of tolerance for lazy journalists who don't bother to check very simple facts. They get paid to inform and if they get their facts wrong, they're simply doing a bad job. How much trouble can it be to just listen to 'Sail On, Sailor' for a minute or to find out that songs like 'Cotton Fields', 'Do You Wanna Dance', 'Heroes and Villains' were actually fairly big hits?

I wouldn't call myself a journalist since writing is just a hobby for me, but I did write for a music magazine for nine years. And even if I had to write about some Austrian hardcore band that had just released a demo tape, I made sure that I double checked every little fact. If I could do that in my spare time with bands that usually played for 30-40 people, than why should I accept it if a professional doesn't do it with one of the most successful bands in music history?

The mistakes in this article are all pretty harmless, but still: there are several excellent Beach Boys historians on this board who've done tremendous amounts of work to set the record straight on many of the well-known Beach Boys myths. But there are still so many journalists who just keep recycling nonsense about Brian burning all the 'Smile' tapes, about Brian losing his mind after hearing 'Sgt. Pepper', about The Beach Boys not really doing anything noteworthy between 'Heroes and Villains' and 'Kokomo'... I think we, as fans, should complain about things like that. It's kind of our job, I suppose.

OT: Does your username have anything to do with Gorilla Biscuits?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on August 28, 2014, 11:54:54 AM
I picked out ONLY two...there were plenty more in the article. What really bothered me, though, was the fact that:

1) They opened up with a question about Brian's depression, and how he felt about Robin Williams's suicide, which to me was bad form. You don't OPEN an interview with that...if I were Brian, I'd have hung up at that point

2) The linking to the 1981 performance of God Only Knows. Although that was probably the best performance from that show, that's like saying being shot is less painful than being stabbed. Why post a video from when Brian was at his nadir?! Tacky.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: startBBtoday on August 28, 2014, 01:05:20 PM
He didn't write obscure. He wrote "lesser-known." And lesser known is, quite frankly, in the eye of the beholder. And I'm sure the general reader of The Desert Sun probably can't immediately recall Hawaii, Please Let Me Wonder or Wild Honey.

As a journalist, I understand that the mistakes about Sail On Sailor and Brian being obese in the 60s shouldn't have happened, but I also understand that they DO happen, no matter the writer, process or editor.

It's just odd to me that someone finally churns out a decent interview, asking Brian questions we want to hear, and now we're talking about the two things he got wrong more than any new information. I suppose it's the problem with the internet, though. All anyone wants to do is complain.

I don't think you should have a whole lot of tolerance for lazy journalists who don't bother to check very simple facts. They get paid to inform and if they get their facts wrong, they're simply doing a bad job. How much trouble can it be to just listen to 'Sail On, Sailor' for a minute or to find out that songs like 'Cotton Fields', 'Do You Wanna Dance', 'Heroes and Villains' were actually fairly big hits?

I wouldn't call myself a journalist since writing is just a hobby for me, but I did write for a music magazine for nine years. And even if I had to write about some Austrian hardcore band that had just released a demo tape, I made sure that I double checked every little fact. If I could do that in my spare time with bands that usually played for 30-40 people, than why should I accept it if a professional doesn't do it with one of the most successful bands in music history?

The mistakes in this article are all pretty harmless, but still: there are several excellent Beach Boys historians on this board who've done tremendous amounts of work to set the record straight on many of the well-known Beach Boys myths. But there are still so many journalists who just keep recycling nonsense about Brian burning all the 'Smile' tapes, about Brian losing his mind after hearing 'Sgt. Pepper', about The Beach Boys not really doing anything noteworthy between 'Heroes and Villains' and 'Kokomo'... I think we, as fans, should complain about things like that. It's kind of our job, I suppose.

OT: Does your username have anything to do with Gorilla Biscuits?

I just know how difficult it is to be a journalist in the digital age. I'm writing 6-8 articles a day, and mistakes slip through the cracks at times, no matter how hard I try for that not to be the case. Most of these articles are not researched, fact-checked and worked on for days, weeks or a month at a time. I'd blame the industry over the writer, but I also know why the industry changed. These sites and papers need to make money somehow.

And not to be super nit-picky, but just because songs were hits 45 years ago doesn't make them well known today. They're still lesser-known songs to people who only hear The Beach Boys on oldies satellite radio.

And yes, it is a GB reference.

I picked out ONLY two...there were plenty more in the article. What really bothered me, though, was the fact that:

1) They opened up with a question about Brian's depression, and how he felt about Robin Williams's suicide, which to me was bad form. You don't OPEN an interview with that...if I were Brian, I'd have hung up at that point

2) The linking to the 1981 performance of God Only Knows. Although that was probably the best performance from that show, that's like saying being shot is less painful than being stabbed. Why post a video from when Brian was at his nadir?! Tacky.

I thought using the 1981 performance of God Only Knows was strange, as well. Why not use a clip from 1964 or one from the last 5-10 years?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 28, 2014, 03:33:25 PM
And not to be super nit-picky, but just because songs were hits 45 years ago doesn't make them well known today. They're still lesser-known songs to people who only hear The Beach Boys on oldies satellite radio.

I strongly suspect that, in this particular instance, "lesser-known" should be suffixed with "(by me)". Just because he's not au fait with them isn't grounds to assume that neither is everyone else.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: startBBtoday on August 28, 2014, 08:55:09 PM
And not to be super nit-picky, but just because songs were hits 45 years ago doesn't make them well known today. They're still lesser-known songs to people who only hear The Beach Boys on oldies satellite radio.

I strongly suspect that, in this particular instance, "lesser-known" should be suffixed with "(by me)". Just because he's not au fait with them isn't grounds to assume that neither is everyone else.

I would say those songs are well known to Beach Boys fans and those who lived through the 60s and 70s, but not to the general public. I think we have trouble looking outside The Beach Boys bubble at times.

To the general public, Surfin' USA, California Girls, God Only Knows, Wouldn't It Be Nice, Good Vibrations, Kokomo, I Get Around, Fun Fun Fun, Help Me Rhonda, Little Deuce Coupe, Barbara Ann, Sloop John B and Surfer Girl might be the well-known songs, because they're still played on radio, commercials and in movies, and anything less might be lesser known.

"Eight Miles High" was a Top 20 hit for The Byrds, for example, and "All I Really Want To Do" was Top 40, and I don't know either one of those songs. Byrds fans would probably crucify me for saying they're lesser known, though.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Heywood on August 28, 2014, 09:23:04 PM
Of course they are lesser known.
The normal people I know probably have never heard of them!  :)


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 28, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
The people surrounding me at both Hampton Court and Epsom Downs were stereotypical "normal people", and they were singing along to everything pretty much word perfect, even "Goin' To The Beach" and "Pisces Brothers".  :)

OK, I may have lied about those last two, but seriously, "Darlin'" got a huge response the moment Cowsill opened his mouth. The songs are known to the kind of person who comes to a Mike & Bruce show.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: startBBtoday on August 28, 2014, 10:58:45 PM
The people surrounding me at both Hampton Court and Epsom Downs were stereotypical "normal people", and they were singing along to everything pretty much word perfect, even "Goin' To The Beach" and "Pisces Brothers".  :)

OK, I may have lied about those last two, but seriously, "Darlin'" got a huge response the moment Cowsill opened his mouth. The songs are known to the kind of person who comes to a Mike & Bruce show.

No offense, but that's a pretty terrible example. It's not very surprising that people who go to Beach Boys concerts know Beach Boys songs. Those are fans of the Beach Boys.

Categorizing people who go to Beach Boys concerts as "normal people" is pretty much the definition of having trouble looking outside the Beach Boys bubble.

I, a 28 year old, grew up on oldies music because my parents are baby boomers. My fiancee, who is also 28, didn't because her parents are younger, and she knows the hits and little else. That would apply to most of my friends, co-workers, colleagues, exes and enemies. They would almost certainly consider "Heroes & Villains" lesser known than "Help Me, Rhonda."

For pretty much anyone other than fans of music from the 60s and 70s -- which is a whittling population since that group is getting, ahem, older -- "Darlin" is a lesser-known song than say, "California Girls."

Just like "Eight Miles High" and "All I Really Want To Do" are lesser known than "Turn, Turn, Turn" and "Mr. Tambourine Man."

I'm not saying you guys are old or anything, but I can understand that you might be having trouble believing that there's an entire younger generation that couldn't hum a bar of Hawaii, Please Let Me Wonder, Marcella, or Shut Down if pressed.

Would we consider these deep cuts if included in an M+B show? No. But a Top 20 or 40 hit from 50 years ago isn't considered common knowledge to the general population. And The Desert Sun isn't an obscure Beach Boys fanzine. It's a newspaper written for the masses.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: John Manning on August 28, 2014, 11:14:12 PM
I wouldn't call myself a journalist since writing is just a hobby for me, but I did write for a music magazine for nine years. And even if I had to write about some Austrian hardcore band that had just released a demo tape, I made sure that I double checked every little fact. If I could do that in my spare time with bands that usually played for 30-40 people, than why should I accept it if a professional doesn't do it with one of the most successful bands in music history?


And therein lies a difference. Most journalists would love the luxury of being able to write stuff in their spare time, but a professional - doing it for a living - would probably have had to turn around dozens of stories in the time it would have taken you to write a piece about an obscure band that played for a handful of people. I'm sure if his editor would have been impressed if he had walked in to find the writer listening to a bunch of CDs in order to identify the rockers from the ballads, while the magazine or newspaper approached deadline with empty pages still to be filled. Once you start writing for a living, it often places demands that mean you have to structure your time in order to turn out volume. It's a terrible reflection of the modern day industry (or rather the proprietors' greed for income over quality, as if the two weren't related!) but it's a fact.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Menace Wilson on August 29, 2014, 08:29:44 AM
"...some pundits are already predicting it could be his next masterpiece.  Wilson said he wrote the songs and then found the artists that could perform them best.  'We lined up a few guest artists,' he said. 'We looked them up and checked them out and they checked out good.'...He considered using a recording he and Beck did of the Irish ballad, 'Danny Boy,' but, 'We didn't put it in the album. It just didn't fit the album very well.' Asked when the other material he recorded with Beck will be released, he said, 'Not soon.'"

This part brings out the cynic in me. 

Didn't Brian specifically want to work with Beck?  Now apparently all of that work has gone out the window.  Meanwhile, "we" decided that a trio of hot young chicks "checked out good" and will appear on the album...at least two of whom Brian had probably never previously heard of. 
 


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: shelter on August 29, 2014, 08:38:13 AM
And yes, it is a GB reference.
Cool. That's one of my favorite bands.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: guitarfool2002 on August 29, 2014, 08:51:31 AM
"...some pundits are already predicting it could be his next masterpiece.  Wilson said he wrote the songs and then found the artists that could perform them best.  'We lined up a few guest artists,' he said. 'We looked them up and checked them out and they checked out good.'...He considered using a recording he and Beck did of the Irish ballad, 'Danny Boy,' but, 'We didn't put it in the album. It just didn't fit the album very well.' Asked when the other material he recorded with Beck will be released, he said, 'Not soon.'"

This part brings out the cynic in me. 

Didn't Brian specifically want to work with Beck?  Now apparently all of that work has gone out the window.  Meanwhile, "we" decided that a trio of hot young chicks "checked out good" and will appear on the album...at least two of whom Brian had probably never previously heard of. 
 


Don't be cynical.  :)

And these same issues were hashed out in the new BW album thread.

Having said that, it does get under my skin just a bit to see the stuff again about Brian probably never hearing of such-and-such artist...Consider how many artists any of us as diehard music fans, not to mention musicians themselves, have *never* heard of let alone heard a note of music from until someone says the equivalent of "Hey, check this out..."

I read articles on a weekly basis especially in the guitar/musician universe where someone ends up working with, playing with, or even collaborating with a major artist from the most simple situation where that major artist heard something they liked and wanted to work with that person. Simple as that. And with social media, YouTube, Facebook, etc, it's as simple as someone posting a link to an online performance on their Facebook, someone else likes it and shares it forward, and who knows who may hear it and like it.

"Hey, check this out...". No different for Brian. Unless the standard for him is now different than pretty much the entirety of the popular music world.  ;D


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: rab2591 on August 29, 2014, 09:00:16 AM
"...some pundits are already predicting it could be his next masterpiece.  Wilson said he wrote the songs and then found the artists that could perform them best.  'We lined up a few guest artists,' he said. 'We looked them up and checked them out and they checked out good.'...He considered using a recording he and Beck did of the Irish ballad, 'Danny Boy,' but, 'We didn't put it in the album. It just didn't fit the album very well.' Asked when the other material he recorded with Beck will be released, he said, 'Not soon.'"

This part brings out the cynic in me. 

Didn't Brian specifically want to work with Beck?  Now apparently all of that work has gone out the window.

Be thankful that Brian is being picky about what is going on this album....it says volumes about how much he cares about this project. The Beck collaboration didn't work out - if it's bad material I'm glad it won't end up on the album.

And ditto, Guitarfool - great post!


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ToneBender631 on August 29, 2014, 09:44:26 AM
"...some pundits are already predicting it could be his next masterpiece.  Wilson said he wrote the songs and then found the artists that could perform them best.  'We lined up a few guest artists,' he said. 'We looked them up and checked them out and they checked out good.'...He considered using a recording he and Beck did of the Irish ballad, 'Danny Boy,' but, 'We didn't put it in the album. It just didn't fit the album very well.' Asked when the other material he recorded with Beck will be released, he said, 'Not soon.'"

This part brings out the cynic in me. 

Didn't Brian specifically want to work with Beck?  Now apparently all of that work has gone out the window.

Be thankful that Brian is being picky about what is going on this album....it says volumes about how much he cares about this project. The Beck collaboration didn't work out - if it's bad material I'm glad it won't end up on the album.

And ditto, Guitarfool - great post!

It's possible that they also decided to shelve it after seeing Jeff's reaction to it potentially being on the record. Don't worry, we'll undoubtedly hear the material at some point in the future. There's money to be made and if Capitol paid for it to be recorded, they'll want to maximize the return on their investment as much as possible in the future.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: shelter on August 29, 2014, 10:16:37 AM
And therein lies a difference. Most journalists would love the luxury of being able to write stuff in their spare time, but a professional - doing it for a living - would probably have had to turn around dozens of stories in the time it would have taken you to write a piece about an obscure band that played for a handful of people.
I often had very tight deadlines too (I might be an amateur, but I wrote for a professional magazine), plus I had to do all my writing in the evening, after I got home from my full time job.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on August 29, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
"...some pundits are already predicting it could be his next masterpiece.  Wilson said he wrote the songs and then found the artists that could perform them best.  'We lined up a few guest artists,' he said. 'We looked them up and checked them out and they checked out good.'...He considered using a recording he and Beck did of the Irish ballad, 'Danny Boy,' but, 'We didn't put it in the album. It just didn't fit the album very well.' Asked when the other material he recorded with Beck will be released, he said, 'Not soon.'"

This part brings out the cynic in me. 

Didn't Brian specifically want to work with Beck?  Now apparently all of that work has gone out the window.

Be thankful that Brian is being picky about what is going on this album....it says volumes about how much he cares about this project. 

You are assuming that Brian made the final decisions. That hasn't always been the case....for a long time actually.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: urbanite on August 29, 2014, 12:43:24 PM
I wonder if Ray Lawlor has seen the movie, what his thoughts are.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: GoodVibrations33 on August 29, 2014, 04:58:41 PM
I wonder if Ray Lawlor has seen the movie, what his thoughts are.

+1

It would be awesome to read any insight he may have.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: GoodVibrations33 on August 29, 2014, 05:00:08 PM
Short article that mentions the movie: http://buffalo.com/2014/08/28/news/movies/tiff-5-radar-picks/ (http://buffalo.com/2014/08/28/news/movies/tiff-5-radar-picks/)

Man, the Mike Love hate is everywhere!  :-\


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Pretty Funky on August 29, 2014, 05:07:45 PM
Whoa! A warning on the Al Pacino picture. Is that make-up or him for real?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Shady on August 29, 2014, 05:25:45 PM
Short article that mentions the movie: http://buffalo.com/2014/08/28/news/movies/tiff-5-radar-picks/ (http://buffalo.com/2014/08/28/news/movies/tiff-5-radar-picks/)

Man, the Mike Love hate is everywhere!  :-\

It's making a lot of lists, nice to see some buzz is building.



Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: rab2591 on August 29, 2014, 06:07:01 PM
"...some pundits are already predicting it could be his next masterpiece.  Wilson said he wrote the songs and then found the artists that could perform them best.  'We lined up a few guest artists,' he said. 'We looked them up and checked them out and they checked out good.'...He considered using a recording he and Beck did of the Irish ballad, 'Danny Boy,' but, 'We didn't put it in the album. It just didn't fit the album very well.' Asked when the other material he recorded with Beck will be released, he said, 'Not soon.'"

This part brings out the cynic in me. 

Didn't Brian specifically want to work with Beck?  Now apparently all of that work has gone out the window.

Be thankful that Brian is being picky about what is going on this album....it says volumes about how much he cares about this project. 

You are assuming that Brian made the final decisions. That hasn't always been the case....for a long time actually.

If Brian wanted it on the album, it would be on the album.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Woodstock on August 29, 2014, 06:22:55 PM
True...unless maybe Captitol didn't want to put in on the record, but that's clearly not the reason. It comes down to Brian.

Just because the songs they did together aren't coming out now doesn't mean they won't *ever* be released. My guess is Brian decided they weren't a good fit for his and is either saving them for later, or has just set them aside without much thought into the future. The point is, its Brian's decision.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: jeffcdo on August 29, 2014, 06:30:39 PM
That's too bad, their version of "Danny Boy" was beautiful (I have not heard the recording, but did see when they did the tune on Jimmy Fallon's show).  Maybe it will turn up as a bonus track somewhere.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Woodstock on August 29, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
That's too bad, their version of "Danny Boy" was beautiful (I have not heard the recording, but did see when they did the tune on Jimmy Fallon's show).  Maybe it will turn up as a bonus track somewhere.

Beck said Danny Boy WILL be on the record.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: rab2591 on August 29, 2014, 06:36:10 PM
That's too bad, their version of "Danny Boy" was beautiful (I have not heard the recording, but did see when they did the tune on Jimmy Fallon's show).  Maybe it will turn up as a bonus track somewhere.

Indeed, I was impressed by that Fallon performance. Sadly, Beck said that none of the material they worked on was completed. They spent time in the studio, but went on tour before anything was finished. So I'm doubtful at we'll hear anything from these sessions. I would love to be proved wrong though!


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on August 29, 2014, 07:33:01 PM
If it's anything like the Fallon performance, I hope Danny Boy ISN'T on the record. I guess it sounded okay, but Brian wasn't even audible, and it's supposed to be his performance. No thank you. If I wanted to not hear Brian, I wouldn't be listening to Brian.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Capitol Punishment on August 29, 2014, 08:43:22 PM
If it's anything like the Fallon performance, I hope Danny Boy ISN'T on the record. I guess it sounded okay, but Brian wasn't even audible, and it's supposed to be his performance. No thank you. If I wanted to not hear Brian, I wouldn't be listening to Brian.
I agree. Danny Boy sounded nothing like Brian Wilson and I feel that there's artists that mesh better with Brian than Jeff Beck. When I heard about a possible Brian/Beck album, I wasn't exactly thrilled. However, Jeff Beck is an excellent guitarist but it just doesn't work for some reason on a BW record.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Nicko1234 on August 29, 2014, 08:57:42 PM
If it's anything like the Fallon performance, I hope Danny Boy ISN'T on the record. I guess it sounded okay, but Brian wasn't even audible, and it's supposed to be his performance. No thank you. If I wanted to not hear Brian, I wouldn't be listening to Brian.

Agreed. I posted the below comment after watching it.

This is a pleasant and inoffensive performance. It would have sounded pretty much identical if Brian, Al and David had stayed at home though.

Give me a new Brian Wilson original over this any day of the week.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 29, 2014, 11:02:23 PM
"...some pundits are already predicting it could be his next masterpiece.  Wilson said he wrote the songs and then found the artists that could perform them best.  'We lined up a few guest artists,' he said. 'We looked them up and checked them out and they checked out good.'...He considered using a recording he and Beck did of the Irish ballad, 'Danny Boy,' but, 'We didn't put it in the album. It just didn't fit the album very well.' Asked when the other material he recorded with Beck will be released, he said, 'Not soon.'"

This part brings out the cynic in me. 

Didn't Brian specifically want to work with Beck?  Now apparently all of that work has gone out the window.  Meanwhile, "we" decided that a trio of hot young chicks "checked out good" and will appear on the album...at least two of whom Brian had probably never previously heard of. 
 


Don't be cynical.  :)

Given it was written (I'm pretty sure) by the guy who's collaborating with Brian on AutoBio2, a degree of cynicism is justified, I feel. Tagging anything as a potential "masterpiece" is, also, just begging for grief. It could well be - I hope it is - but I seriously doubt those pundits have heard one note of it.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on August 29, 2014, 11:16:09 PM
Re case of "lesser known" vs. "Top 40 hits", I'm siding with startbbtoday. All his points sound logical.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on August 29, 2014, 11:51:32 PM
Short article that mentions the movie: http://buffalo.com/2014/08/28/news/movies/tiff-5-radar-picks/ (http://buffalo.com/2014/08/28/news/movies/tiff-5-radar-picks/)

Man, the Mike Love hate is everywhere!  :-\

Sheesh, you Kokomaoists are so damned sensitive. That little jab was mild compared to what Mike was getting during the 1980's and 90's.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: GoodVibrations33 on August 30, 2014, 02:49:12 AM
Short article that mentions the movie: http://buffalo.com/2014/08/28/news/movies/tiff-5-radar-picks/ (http://buffalo.com/2014/08/28/news/movies/tiff-5-radar-picks/)

Man, the Mike Love hate is everywhere!  :-\

Sheesh, you Kokomaoists are so damned sensitive. That little jab was mild compared to what Mike was getting during the 1980's and 90's.

I wouldn't classify myself as a "Kokomaoist," just making a general observation!  I lean more toward the old school Brianista camp.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Rob Dean on August 30, 2014, 05:47:19 AM
Must say for a nano second , I got rather excited  ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVnj-5rv3CY


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: bgas on August 30, 2014, 06:06:51 AM
Must say for a nano second , I got rather excited  ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVnj-5rv3CY

Is there a way to send that guy a virus?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: puni puni on August 30, 2014, 06:07:44 AM
Given it was written (I'm pretty sure) by the guy who's collaborating with Brian on AutoBio2, a degree of cynicism is justified, I feel. Tagging anything as a potential "masterpiece" is, also, just begging for grief. It could well be - I hope it is - but I seriously doubt those pundits have heard one note of it.
I think the text came from the recent Desert Sun article, which is mostly just parroting the Jason Fine press-statements-dressed-up-as-journalism anyway.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: LostArt on August 30, 2014, 09:50:24 AM
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/stephen-hawking-brian-wilson-among-subjects-toronto-film-130008643.html

"Love & Mercy": Brian Wilson, the troubled mastermind behind '60s American pop titans the Beach Boys, is portrayed by John Cusack and Paul Dano in his older and younger years in this feature from Bill Pohlad, the decorated producer behind "12 Years a Slave" and "Brokeback Mountain" who last directed a film in 1990. Paul Giamatti and Elizabeth Banks round out a talented cast, and God only knows there's fertile dramatic material here: Wilson struggled with serious mental health issues even as he pushed the Beach Boys to impossible creative highs.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on September 03, 2014, 06:38:34 AM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/toronto-stars-power-15-hottest-728378

Love & Mercy (CAA/Lionsgate)

Director: Bill Pohlad

Stars: John Cusack, Paul Dano, Elizabeth Banks, Paul Giamatti

Buzz: This biopic about Brian Wilson of Beach Boys fame is the directorial debut of the respected financier-producer, whose credits include 12 Years a Slave. Dano's performance as a young version of the singer is said to be impressive.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: job on September 03, 2014, 11:10:58 AM
B-Dubs

Never say that again.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: pixletwin on September 03, 2014, 12:06:02 PM

Say what? B-Dubs?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Woodstock on September 03, 2014, 12:07:31 PM

Watch your tone.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Lowbacca on September 03, 2014, 12:07:42 PM
That's what his peeps call him, after all. His posse. The Pet Posse.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: pixletwin on September 03, 2014, 12:13:08 PM
Is B-Pain ok?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Woodstock on September 03, 2014, 12:14:01 PM
How about "B-Wubs"


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: joe_blow on September 03, 2014, 12:48:49 PM
error


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: job on September 03, 2014, 01:47:02 PM

Watch your pone.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Woodstock on September 03, 2014, 01:51:36 PM

This is so dramatic. I won't reply to such drama any further.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Lowbacca on September 03, 2014, 02:27:45 PM
:lol


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: schiaffino on September 03, 2014, 02:46:13 PM
Yeah baby, bought my ticket just now! I'll be there for the Premiere Sunday night  ;D

Anyone else coming?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: bgas on September 03, 2014, 02:48:19 PM
Yeah baby, bought my ticket just now! I'll be there for the Premiere Sunday night  ;D

Anyone else coming?

If you can stop by and pick me up, I'll buy a ticket...


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: schiaffino on September 03, 2014, 02:54:48 PM
Yeah baby, bought my ticket just now! I'll be there for the Premiere Sunday night  ;D

Anyone else coming?

If you can stop by and pick me up, I'll buy a ticket...

K I'll check with the train driver if its possible


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: bgas on September 03, 2014, 02:59:42 PM
Yeah baby, bought my ticket just now! I'll be there for the Premiere Sunday night  ;D

Anyone else coming?

If you can stop by and pick me up, I'll buy a ticket...

K I'll check with the train driver if its possible

Heck, if you've got your own train it shouldbn't be any problemo!!


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: schiaffino on September 03, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
Yeah baby, bought my ticket just now! I'll be there for the Premiere Sunday night  ;D

Anyone else coming?

If you can stop by and pick me up, I'll buy a ticket...

K I'll check with the train driver if its possible

Heck, if you've got your own train it shouldbn't be any problemo!!

 :lol


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Mikie on September 03, 2014, 04:01:56 PM
Heck!


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Shady on September 03, 2014, 05:30:57 PM
Yeah baby, bought my ticket just now! I'll be there for the Premiere Sunday night  ;D

Anyone else coming?

Lucky man

Report back in detail!


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: stack-o-tracks on September 03, 2014, 05:46:16 PM
Honestly, I have zero hope that this biopic is going to be any better than the previous attempts at telling the BB/BW story through film that isn't a documentary.

John Cusack is just so fuckin' John Cusacky that all his attempts at acting are just like "oh, wow, look at John Cusack pretending that he's not John Cusack."

Paul Dano has the potential to play a pretty good Brian Wilson, but John Cusack was the wrong choice. Sorry, friends.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Must_Love_Dogs.jpg)


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: puni puni on September 03, 2014, 07:13:29 PM
He does the B-Dubs walk pretty well.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: PS on September 04, 2014, 12:23:48 AM
As the premiere is coming up soon, here's a mini-trailer from the script to whet your appetite (tiny spoiler alert):

Scene 3 INT. WESTERN RECORDING STUDIO FEBRUARY 1964

We come up on 16mm footage shot in the recording studio as THE BEACH BOYS lay vocals for "DON'T WORRY BABY"

From SCENE 40 (INT. MUSIC ROOM. MURRY WILSON'S HOUSE) Brian plays a "very rough, early version" of GOD ONLY KNOWS for his father:

Murry: Frankly, if you really want to know, I don't care for it. It's too wishy-washy. "If you leave me, why leave me? Life will go on. Why go on living?" It's not like a Beach Boys song. Your brothers are going to hate it.
Brian-Past (devastated): "It's a love song."
Murry: "It's a suicide note."


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: PS on September 04, 2014, 12:34:37 AM
One more.

SCENE 46 INT. WESTERN RECORDING STUDIO 3 - DAY

BRIAN-PAST (to dogs):

"Stop barking! We got it!"


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 04, 2014, 12:59:24 AM
Sweet


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: bgas on September 04, 2014, 03:48:55 AM
As the premiere is coming up soon, here's a mini-trailer from the script to whet your appetite (tiny spoiler alert):

Scene 3 INT. WESTERN RECORDING STUDIO FEBRUARY 1964

We come up on 16mm footage shot in the recording studio as THE BEACH BOYS lay vocals for "DON'T WORRY BABY"

From SCENE 40 (INT. MUSIC ROOM. MURRY WILSON'S HOUSE) Brian plays a "very rough, early version" of GOD ONLY KNOWS for his father:

Murry: Frankly, if you really want to know, I don't care for it. It's too wishy-washy. "If you leave me, why leave me? Life will go on. Why go on living?" It's not like a Beach Boys song. Your brothers are going to hate it.
Brian-Past (devastated): "It's a love song."
Murry: "It's a suicide note."


Brian-Past "We gotta get out while we're young.  `Cause tramps like us, baby we were born to run "


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: HeyJude on September 04, 2014, 06:39:33 AM
Honestly, I have zero hope that this biopic is going to be any better than the previous attempts at telling the BB/BW story through film that isn't a documentary.

John Cusack is just so fuckin' John Cusacky that all his attempts at acting are just like "oh, wow, look at John Cusack pretending that he's not John Cusack."

Paul Dano has the potential to play a pretty good Brian Wilson, but John Cusack was the wrong choice. Sorry, friends.


Unfortunately, the majority of actors end up being a case of “Oh, there’s so-and-so trying to act like he’s not so-and-so”, and often they don’t even try to act like they’re not themselves. Oh, there’s Brad Pitt. Nope, he’s not whatever character he’s supposed to be in the movie. He’s Brad Pitt shooting zombies. Oh, Morgan Freeman, he’s amazing, except that he’s just playing the same character in every movie he’s in: himself. I’m not being sarcastic. I end up often preferring unknown actors (as long as they have some acting talent of course) in many roles. There are a few really great well-known actors who can actually take you out of the headspace of just seeing that famous actor. But it’s pretty rare.

The actors with all the weird idiosyncrasies are the worst. Hell, some directors are that way too. Oh great, it’s Tim Burton, so we know the movie will have Johnny Depp, Helena Bonham Carter, will be emo and steampunk, and Johnny Depp will play a super quirky character.

I dunno, Cusack might actually be bland enough to make the movie a bit more credible. If they’re truly doing away with the strictly chronological format, that’s proably a good start. “Summer Dreams” and “An American Family” didn’t succeed with that format.

Meanwhile, perhaps someone will piece together a “Beatles Anthology”-sized Beach Boys documentary; get the surviving guys on camera for thorough interviews while they’re still alive. I can’t fathom why this hasn’t been attempted. “Endless Harmony” was just fine for what it was, but something longer and more epic is needed.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: schiaffino on September 04, 2014, 08:12:32 AM
Yeah baby, bought my ticket just now! I'll be there for the Premiere Sunday night  ;D

Anyone else coming?

Lucky man

Report back in detail!

I will!


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: tony p on September 04, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
Honestly, I have zero hope that this biopic is going to be any better than the previous attempts at telling the BB/BW story through film that isn't a documentary.

John Cusack is just so fuckin' John Cusacky that all his attempts at acting are just like "oh, wow, look at John Cusack pretending that he's not John Cusack."

Paul Dano has the potential to play a pretty good Brian Wilson, but John Cusack was the wrong choice. Sorry, friends.


Unfortunately, the majority of actors end up being a case of “Oh, there’s so-and-so trying to act like he’s not so-and-so”, and often they don’t even try to act like they’re not themselves. Oh, there’s Brad Pitt. Nope, he’s not whatever character he’s supposed to be in the movie. He’s Brad Pitt shooting zombies. Oh, Morgan Freeman, he’s amazing, except that he’s just playing the same character in every movie he’s in: himself. I’m not being sarcastic. I end up often preferring unknown actors (as long as they have some acting talent of course) in many roles. There are a few really great well-known actors who can actually take you out of the headspace of just seeing that famous actor. But it’s pretty rare.

The actors with all the weird idiosyncrasies are the worst. Hell, some directors are that way too. Oh great, it’s Tim Burton, so we know the movie will have Johnny Depp, Helena Bonham Carter, will be emo and steampunk, and Johnny Depp will play a super quirky character.

I dunno, Cusack might actually be bland enough to make the movie a bit more credible. If they’re truly doing away with the strictly chronological format, that’s proably a good start. “Summer Dreams” and “An American Family” didn’t succeed with that format.

Meanwhile, perhaps someone will piece together a “Beatles Anthology”-sized Beach Boys documentary; get the surviving guys on camera for thorough interviews while they’re still alive. I can’t fathom why this hasn’t been attempted. “Endless Harmony” was just fine for what it was, but something longer and more epic is needed.

i have been hoping for to happen for years. EH just didnt cut it for what it needed to be

The Beach Boys story has so many layers to it that it needs to be told over a 3-4 doco

Use existing footage from previous interviews aswell like the Beatles Anthology but so much more needs to be told


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: metal flake paint on September 04, 2014, 06:58:27 PM
Under the circumstances, Alan Boyd did a wonderful job directing Endless Harmony within the restrictions that were imposed on the project. I'm sure that he would have liked to have included more footage (chiefly, Add Some Music To Your Day from Get It Together) but time and budget constraints just wouldn't allow it.

With so much footage available (authorised and otherwise), one could “roll their own” documentary, although an official and comprehensive documentary would be most welcome!


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: job on September 05, 2014, 02:26:44 PM

This is so dramatic. I won't reply to such drama any further.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Shady on September 06, 2014, 05:01:59 PM
Today's the day (Irish time  ;D)

Can't wait for the reports and pics. Hopefully this movie is Brilliant!


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Pretty Funky on September 06, 2014, 05:55:57 PM
BW.com are all over it....


Admin Updates
Updates from BrianWilson.com administrator including news of interest to Brian Wilson and Beach Boys fans.      

USA TODAY Exclusive:
08/05/13 by ADMIN

 :lol

What a joke that site is. The last news deemed relevant was over a year ago. Some of the $400 for the Chase tickets could pay someone who can read and keep the site up to date.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Cyncie on September 06, 2014, 06:54:28 PM
Brian attends the premiere:


https://www.facebook.com/officialbrianwilson/photos/a.10150280134817241.345966.34250497240/10152681645217241/?type=1&theater


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Shady on September 06, 2014, 08:22:51 PM
Very cool that Brian is attending


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Dudd on September 07, 2014, 12:10:10 AM
Ooh - the reviews should be in very soon...


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Yorick on September 07, 2014, 04:51:44 AM
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Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: the captain on September 07, 2014, 07:36:05 AM
My local legendary sports columnist, Sid Hartman (a nonagenarian still at it), mentioned the movie in his column this morning. Not exactly a natural topic for a sports blurb, but the Minnesota Twins baseball team are owned by the Pohlad family; Bill Pohlad is the director. Nothing especially exciting in the mention though. More just an unexpected mention.

"• Twins owner Bill Pohlad’s “Love & Mercy,” a biographical film about Beach Boys lead singer Brian Wilson, will premier at the Toronto International Film Festival on Sunday night. It’s the first movie Pohlad has directed since 1990 and is considered an awards contender. It tells two stories of Wilson’s life, one set in the 1960s and one in the 1980s."

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/274237561.html?page=2&c=y


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: beacharg on September 07, 2014, 09:50:26 AM

Several people stated that no BBs music is gonna be played in the movie. Im OK with that, but I think they really need to put well know music in the trailer, so the general public can be atracted by the movie. Some snippet of Wouldn' it be nice or California girls for example.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: rab2591 on September 07, 2014, 10:26:36 AM

Several people stated that no BBs music is gonna be played in the movie. Im OK with that, but I think they really need to put well know music in the trailer, so the general public can be atracted by the movie. Some snippet of Wouldn' it be nice or California girls for example.

Has this been officially verified though?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 07, 2014, 10:26:58 AM

Several people stated that no BBs music is gonna be played in the movie.

They're wrong.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 07, 2014, 10:33:14 AM

Several people stated that no BBs music is gonna be played in the movie.

They're wrong.

They are very wrong


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: beacharg on September 07, 2014, 10:34:40 AM
Well I hope I'm wrong too! In fact, in my opinion, it would be impossible to make a movie about Brian/BBs without including their music, at least little snippets here and there. But I've read it in 2 o 3 places, for example from Wikipedia (soundtrack part):

English composer Atticus Ross was commissioned for an original score.[27] Of Wilson's music being incorporated in the film, director Bill Pohlad clarified, "We're not thinking about this as the hit parade—that would be the biopic thing."[13]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Mercy_(film)#Soundtrack


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 07, 2014, 10:51:17 AM
Here's the full excerpt that Wikipedia doesn't show:
Quote
Rights to many of Wilson's songs have been secured — producers are working closely with Wilson and wife Melinda — but Pohlad said the tunes will inform the story, not dominate it. "We're not thinking about this as the hit parade — that would be the biopic thing," he said.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: beacharg on September 07, 2014, 10:59:29 AM
 :woot


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Jim Rockford on September 07, 2014, 11:25:51 AM
Just a little over 7 hours away. I hope it's good.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ThyRavenAscend on September 07, 2014, 02:32:48 PM
 :ohyeah


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Shady on September 07, 2014, 06:39:38 PM
Brian lookin good

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw-PTU3IEAAqDwx.jpg)


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: GoodVibrations33 on September 07, 2014, 07:20:05 PM
(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/09/08/business/subPohlad/subPohlad-master675.jpg)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/08/business/media/filmmaker-William-Pohlad-pins-hopes-on-a-beach-boy.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/08/business/media/filmmaker-William-Pohlad-pins-hopes-on-a-beach-boy.html?_r=0)


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Shady on September 07, 2014, 07:27:55 PM
(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/09/08/business/subPohlad/subPohlad-master675.jpg)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/08/business/media/filmmaker-William-Pohlad-pins-hopes-on-a-beach-boy.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/08/business/media/filmmaker-William-Pohlad-pins-hopes-on-a-beach-boy.html?_r=0)

Holy moly


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 07, 2014, 07:31:23 PM
(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/09/08/business/subPohlad/subPohlad-master675.jpg)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/08/business/media/filmmaker-William-Pohlad-pins-hopes-on-a-beach-boy.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/08/business/media/filmmaker-William-Pohlad-pins-hopes-on-a-beach-boy.html?_r=0)

There is something very strange about this photo.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Shady on September 07, 2014, 07:33:01 PM
Guitarfool will have a field day with that photo


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 07, 2014, 07:44:05 PM
Guitarfool will have a field day with that photo

Just logging in after the weekend away...yep, my field day is in full gear!  ;D

Columbia studios, circa 1966. They got the unique console Columbia had at that time, with the massive patch bay behind the board. Really cool. Can't wait to see the whole thing!

It can be tough to source original gear like that which is 50 years old and in many cases long gone or parted out...if not scrapped. Check out how many original Bill Putnam modular consoles/boards exist in 2014. I know Neil Young owns one, the board which Wally Heider used for mobile live recordings still exists, I believe Mark Linett owns a Western board from Studio 2, but apart from that they're not easy to find. Columbia's board setup was so unique, I'm thinking they could come close mocking it up without finding the original and that photo looks pretty good.

Did I hear it correct that they filmed studio scenes at Ocean Way because the location folks must have thought it had the best "vintage" look? Or was it another LA studio? Can't recall.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 07, 2014, 07:59:05 PM
Looks like were going for a composite effect for the set and costuming in that frame: And it looks to be based on the Western and Columbia film footage from the GV sessions in '66, and I'm guessing also those still photos of Brian, Tony Asher, Terry Melcher, and Bruce at Columbia in '66 were a visual/historical reference. In those you can see that odd patch bay setup clear and in color. Finding a replica is another story...

Western showing Brian wearing that vest, then Brian working the Columbia Studio A board in '66:

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/brianmarilyn.jpg)
(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/briancolumbiaboard.jpg)

Brian, Tony, Terry, Bruce at Columbia's board 1966:
(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/petsounds2.jpg)
(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/petsounds1.jpg)


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: NickandthePassions on September 07, 2014, 08:17:32 PM
Please tell me there will be a movie review with the title, "I wasn't sitting in a crummy movie with my hands on my chin."


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 07, 2014, 09:14:04 PM
:lol


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Shady on September 07, 2014, 09:39:44 PM
Rave reviewing pouring in on twitter from people who attended the screening, standing ovations etc

Very good news


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: 18thofMay on September 07, 2014, 10:21:18 PM
Twitter is loving this film!!!!!!!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/arts-video/video-love-and-mercy-stars-at-tiff-on-depicting-brian-wilsons-life/article20464970/?cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 07, 2014, 10:28:44 PM
Awesome!


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: schiaffino on September 07, 2014, 11:06:37 PM
Hey guys, just got back from watching the movie...and I gotta say, it was amazing!

Overall, my rating is 2 very enthusiastic thumbs up. The film was not perfect, but it did a great job and I think a lot of people in the theater left with more appreciation towards Brian's life and what he had to endure.

So here's my review.

First, the production of the movie is incredible. They managed to recreate every single detail we've seen in photos and videos. Particularly good was the recreation of Brian (Paul Dano) performing Surfs Up solo on the piano for the Bernstein special. And I gotta say, Paul Dano did an amazing job singing and playing. In the end credits I read Darian was his music coach, so that explains a lot.

But aside from his singing (and a pretty good falsetto), he was the best in the cast. The mid 60s scenes were awesome and he did a fine job showing Brian's increasing mental deterioration. I think he has a great career ahead, top actor.

John Cusak was competent in the older Brian role. They didnt do much of an effort to make him look like Brian - actually that kind of sucked sometimes, since John is so John - but some of the scenes with Landy were very dramatic and he did good. Paul Giamatti (hope that's how its spelled) was a bit over the top, but then again from what I've read, Landy was like that in real life. You got to watch the scene when he's forcing Brian to finish up 'Driving to Heaven in my car'...its really tough and sad.

I saw Elizabeth Banks up close and personal when I was getting to my seat  ;D Not only she's pretty but carried the role of Melinda pretty well. Its obvious the script wanted to put Melinda as Brian's savior and make her the reason why the guy is alive nowadays and so Elizabeth played the part strongly.

But the rest of the cast and how their characters were presented was kind of weak. Van Dyke Parks for example hardly gets 2 scenes, doesnt talk much and seems like he's not really important. They changed the lyrics discussion from Cabinessence to Heroes and Villains (the snuff bit), so that was kind of lame.

Murray gets a big part and its shown in all his evilness. They even showed him hitting kid Brian and making him deaf...and to this day I dont know if thats true or not, since I've seen interviews of Brian saying he was born deaf...so...aucune idee la

The Boys are not really worked as characters. Mike gets to be the asshole, but in a justifiable way if I may say. He's always shown as worrying about the band and how Brian is losing touch with their public's interest. I mean, I (we) know a bit more of the story, but I can understand if people who dont know much about the band would side with him. Since the Van Dyke's characters was not really built up, Mike's kicking him away seemed rather appropriate in the context of the movie. Anyways.

There was a good scene with Hal Blaine talking with Brian in the parking lot and comforting him, saying the boys were going to love what he recorded for Pet Sounds. But aside from that and a quick scene with Carol Kaye complaining about bass keys, not much was discussed about the Wrecking Crew.

Carl and Dennis got a couple of lines during the early days, but not much after. Al and Bruce practically didnt exist. Marylin looked really cute actually, I wonder who played her? Checking later on IMDB.

But then again the movie was about Brian and Melinda, so 90% was Paul Dano/John Cusack and Elizabeth Banks. The last scene was when she almost ran him over and then took him to visit his old house on Hawthorne to find they built a highway on it. And as they hug and kiss, Wouldnt it be nice plays over.

A little nice detail though, the closing credits were played over Love and Mercy sang live by Brian, with concert footage. When the song was over, we all stood up and applauded Brian for almost 5 mins. Standing ovation!

But one thing I really, really didnt like, was how so stupid some people in the audience were. During some really sad scenes, like when Brian was saying stuff like 'I dont get to talk to my family' or 'like I got this mental problem...since 1963', some people were laughing as if it was something funny. John  Cusack did a good job in getting Brian's impersonal way of talking, so its sounds somehow comical, but for the love of God, the guy who suffered this ordeal is there, in the audience!!! Show some respect  >:(

Aside from that, the venue was cool, the screening and the atmosphere was Hollywood style. I recorded most of the Q&A session and Brian leaving the theater - it was funny everyone was there to take pics of John Cusack, and when he left, most left...so I could move up front and scream at Brian like a mad man  ;D ...actually I didnt, I'm a fan, not a crazy stalker  ::)

Anyways, hope this review gives you some insight to the movie. I recommended it completely, the focus is not the drugs but Brian's mental health struggle. I think it was a nice treatment of his life.

Gotta leave now and get some sleep, I'm catching the 6:00 am train back to Montreal. I'll share some of the pics and the Q&A session tomorrow night.

Bonne nuit a tous!


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: tony p on September 07, 2014, 11:17:36 PM
^^^^^^^

Awesome review schiaffino and thanks very much for sharing

cant wait to see at least the trailer for it


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: puni puni on September 07, 2014, 11:31:42 PM
Should probably blank out spoilers.

I get we all know what happened in real life, but it is a film after all, not a documentary.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: John Manning on September 07, 2014, 11:48:04 PM
Many many thanks schiaffino, much appreciated and delighted you had such a great night.

Also delighted you're not a stalker… (did you grab me a lock of his hair?¿?¿?)

Hope we get to see this film in the UK and soon.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 07, 2014, 11:55:57 PM
Should probably blank out spoilers.

I get we all know what happened in real life, but it is a film after all, not a documentary.

Did you say that in 1997 when Titanic came out?



Just bustin' your chops...no offense meant, more of a joke. :lol


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Les P on September 08, 2014, 12:01:39 AM
Excellent review in Hollywood Reporter:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/love-mercy-toronto-review-730952 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/love-mercy-toronto-review-730952)


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Ebb and Flow on September 08, 2014, 12:19:59 AM
Excellent review in Hollywood Reporter:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/love-mercy-toronto-review-730952 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/love-mercy-toronto-review-730952)
Quote
We meet Dano's version of Wilson just as he's asking for permission to stay home while the band tours in Japan. "I can take us further ... at home," he insists, saying he has ideas for intricately produced music that will make the Beatles' just-released Revolver sound like an also-ran

Probably because it WAS, released nearly three months after Pet Sounds.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 08, 2014, 12:23:39 AM
Yup...probably was thinking of Rubber Soul


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 08, 2014, 01:39:03 AM
Thanks for posting the early, firsthand review! Looking forward to seeing it get a full release. If the reaction from the premiere so far is any indication, that won't be too far away.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Nicko1234 on September 08, 2014, 01:48:11 AM
Does it show Carl as being involved in removing Brian from Landy at all?

That would be my question to any who attended.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: GoodVibrations33 on September 08, 2014, 01:57:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0MgXG29Chk&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0MgXG29Chk&feature=youtu.be)

https://twitter.com/zackmamba/status/508847826055749632/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/zackmamba/status/508847826055749632/photo/1)

https://twitter.com/NadiaNeophytou/status/508834791446552577/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/NadiaNeophytou/status/508834791446552577/photo/1)

(http://binaryapi.ap.org/f824e43b1d214a66bd9c8f66d69ec901/preview.jpg?wm=api)

(http://binaryapi.ap.org/6d192024759d48f0b1a50eb3e14c1ff5/preview.jpg?wm=api)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/08/article-2747469-212AEE5200000578-912_634x576.jpg)

(http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/454909336-director-bill-pohlad-and-singer-songwriter-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QcJEltNgl6k71i5Lg%2beiNoRw7CdgQooz1dAgHue4iV4QTlPz9AG%2fpJ071dQqLD7lQQ%3d%3d)


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 08, 2014, 02:09:59 AM
Wonder how Brian reacted to it?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on September 08, 2014, 02:19:20 AM
Does it show Carl as being involved in removing Brian from Landy at all?

That would be my question to any who attended.

From the review: Leave it to scholars of Beach Boys lore to evaluate the way screenwriters Oren Moverman and Michael Alan Lerner distill the long, complicated timeline in which courts eventually removed Wilson from Landy's custody; since this film views Ledbetter as the catalyst of Wilson's recovery (they married in 1995 and remain together), it emphasizes her role in gathering evidence of Landy's misconduct.

From reading that, I'm thinking Melinda's efforts (however subtle they may or may not have been) are made the focal point for the sake of the dramatic narrative, at the expense of others perhaps (Gary Usher, Stan Love, Carl?) I haven't seen the movie, so idk. But hey, it is a movie. Artistic liberties are gonna be taken.

That said, i can't wait to see it. This "Driving to Heaven in my car (Let's Go To Heaven In My Car?)" scene has got my mouth watering  :p cause i luv that song, not cause of how sad the scene apparently is   


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Nicko1234 on September 08, 2014, 02:30:40 AM

From the review: Leave it to scholars of Beach Boys lore to evaluate the way screenwriters Oren Moverman and Michael Alan Lerner distill the long, complicated timeline in which courts eventually removed Wilson from Landy's custody; since this film views Ledbetter as the catalyst of Wilson's recovery (they married in 1995 and remain together), it emphasizes her role in gathering evidence of Landy's misconduct.

From reading that, I'm thinking Melinda's efforts (however subtle they may or may not have been) are made the focal point for the sake of the dramatic narrative, at the expense of others perhaps (Gary Usher, Stan Love, Carl?) I haven't seen the movie, so idk. But hey, it is a movie. Artistic liberties are gonna be made.

That said, i can't wait to see it. This "Driving to Heaven in my car (Let's Go To Heaven In My Car?)" scene has got my mouth watering  :p

Yes, they are going to take liberties. Absolutely.

Just as a personal thing though. The Brian and Melinda love story is not one I am particularly interested in watching. She has clearly been great for Brian but it doesn`t do it for me from a thematic point of view. I may well be alone in feeling that way though.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on September 08, 2014, 02:45:26 AM
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Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: schiaffino on September 08, 2014, 03:40:51 AM
Does it show Carl as being involved in removing Brian from Landy at all?

That would be my question to any who attended.

Nope it has Melinda calling Carl but we don't see not hear him. Again it's all Melinda rescuing Brian.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 08, 2014, 03:43:17 AM
Based purely on what I've read thus far, looks encouraging even though there's been some recasting of historical fact, as stated here and elsewhere. Looking forward to seeing it.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: buddhahat on September 08, 2014, 05:13:28 AM
Thanks all for the info and links. Definitely looks promising. Can't wait to see this. Is there a release date yet?


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Mr. Cohen on September 08, 2014, 05:57:58 AM
I'm stoked. Wouldn't it be nice if we could already watch the movie, in a world where we wouldn't have to wait so long? And after having watched the movie together, talk about it on Smiley Smile the whole night through?

The change to the "sunny down snuff" lyrics in the fight is interesting. Can anyone confirm if this was done to highlight the dig at Mike's snuff habit? Otherwise, it just seems so random. Maybe they thought audiences would be more likely to understand and possibly even recognize "Heroes and Villains"? The "crow cries" example just sums up the real situation so perfectly. If you actually spent any real time analyzing the lyrics in the outro of the song, you'd quickly see what's going on:

Over and over
The crow cries uncover the cornfield
Over and over
The thresher and hover the wheat field

NOW, LET'S SWITCH TWO PHRASES:

Over and over
The crow cries and hover(s) the wheat field
Over and over
The thresher uncover(s) the cornfield

I believe there's a term for what Parks did, but maybe not. And still, to this day, it's unlikely Mike has figured the riddle out.

It's just funny that the neither An American Family or Love & Mercy are willing to show this part of the story as it really happened. And why not? It shows Brian and Parks at their most brilliant (musically and lyrically) and Love at his densest.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: GoodVibrations33 on September 08, 2014, 06:06:39 AM
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/tiff-review-love-mercy-starring-paul-dano-john-cusack-elizabeth-banks-paul-giamatti-20140908


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: HeyJude on September 08, 2014, 06:35:10 AM
Hey guys, just got back from watching the movie...and I gotta say, it was amazing!

Overall, my rating is 2 very enthusiastic thumbs up. The film was not perfect, but it did a great job and I think a lot of people in the theater left with more appreciation towards Brian's life and what he had to endure.


Great thanks for offering a review, and a detailed one at that. I suppose the "thumbs" rating system doesn't offer as much room for nuance, but the tone of your review sounds more like the film should get maybe a 7 or 8 out of 10, which is probably the best we could ever hope for.

I was hoping the "Melinda as savior" thing wouldn't get overplayed. Guess we'll have to all see for ourselves. It's also unfortunate if the other BB's were once again underplayed. Even the most staunch "pro-Brian" and "anti-the rest of the BB's" fans would have to agree the other guys are a big part of the story. Then again, the producers of the film may have tread lightly regarding the other living BB's due to the possibility of lawsuits, etc.

I've seen Giamatti in enough stuff, I already have at least an idea of how he would play Landy. I'm not sure there would be the right nuance in playing Landy (he was often, at least in interviews, kind of more smarmy tone-wise rather than loud and boistrous), but he's probably as good of a choice as any "name" actor.

Some of the press over the past year or two on the film has made it sound like it would be rather "unconventional", but it's sounding like it's a relatively traditional biopic, just one that jumps around a lot simply to emphasize two specific periods in Brian's life and more than anything due to time contraints.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: rab2591 on September 08, 2014, 06:41:06 AM
Great review schiaffino! Glad you got to go. I can't wait to see this in a theater.



Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Mr. Cohen on September 08, 2014, 07:04:16 AM
Also, I still think the perfect opening for a BBs movie would be Brian walking along the shore at the rented beach house Landy had him in, with "Male Ego" playing in the background as he stumbles clumsily over the rocks. He looks nervously at girls passing by as the song continues. As the song fades, we cut to the car dealership where he meets Melinda.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on September 08, 2014, 07:27:29 AM
Hey guys, just got back from watching the movie...and I gotta say, it was amazing!
Great review, thanks for this! Very psyched to see the film.



Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on September 08, 2014, 07:48:34 AM
Great shots. Has Brian lost some weight?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0MgXG29Chk&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0MgXG29Chk&feature=youtu.be)

https://twitter.com/zackmamba/status/508847826055749632/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/zackmamba/status/508847826055749632/photo/1)

https://twitter.com/NadiaNeophytou/status/508834791446552577/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/NadiaNeophytou/status/508834791446552577/photo/1)

(http://binaryapi.ap.org/f824e43b1d214a66bd9c8f66d69ec901/preview.jpg?wm=api)

(http://binaryapi.ap.org/6d192024759d48f0b1a50eb3e14c1ff5/preview.jpg?wm=api)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/08/article-2747469-212AEE5200000578-912_634x576.jpg)

(http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/454909336-director-bill-pohlad-and-singer-songwriter-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QcJEltNgl6k71i5Lg%2beiNoRw7CdgQooz1dAgHue4iV4QTlPz9AG%2fpJ071dQqLD7lQQ%3d%3d)


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Shady on September 08, 2014, 07:50:55 AM
I want to know more about the music in the film

I read they made great use of pet sounds and smile multi tracks


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 08, 2014, 07:56:21 AM
Some of the press over the past year or two on the film has made it sound like it would be rather "unconventional", but it's sounding like it's a relatively traditional biopic,

Yeah - kind of a standard narrative in that it's following the patten of the redemption from mental illness narrative that I thought would have been beneath Oren Moverman after seeing I'm Not There. The problem with reducing people's lives into conventional storytelling patterns is that you render those lives entirely inauthentic as a result.

I also think it's unfortunate that they are replaying scenes that we have seen in previous Beach Boys biopics. I think at this point you can tell the Smile story without the "Mike Love challenges the lyrics" scene.

Anyway, doesn't sound like the movie that I would make but, whatever, it does sound enjoyable.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: southbay on September 08, 2014, 08:16:50 AM
Great shots. Has Brian lost some weight?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0MgXG29Chk&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0MgXG29Chk&feature=youtu.be)

https://twitter.com/zackmamba/status/508847826055749632/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/zackmamba/status/508847826055749632/photo/1)

https://twitter.com/NadiaNeophytou/status/508834791446552577/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/NadiaNeophytou/status/508834791446552577/photo/1)

(http://binaryapi.ap.org/f824e43b1d214a66bd9c8f66d69ec901/preview.jpg?wm=api)

(http://binaryapi.ap.org/6d192024759d48f0b1a50eb3e14c1ff5/preview.jpg?wm=api)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/08/article-2747469-212AEE5200000578-912_634x576.jpg)

(http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/454909336-director-bill-pohlad-and-singer-songwriter-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QcJEltNgl6k71i5Lg%2beiNoRw7CdgQooz1dAgHue4iV4QTlPz9AG%2fpJ071dQqLD7lQQ%3d%3d)

It's too bad his cousin Mike couldn't be there with him to celebrate...


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Nicko1234 on September 08, 2014, 08:18:49 AM

It's too bad his cousin Mike couldn't be there with him to celebrate...

You mean in the same way that Al and David are in all of the pictures?  ;)


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: southbay on September 08, 2014, 08:21:35 AM

It's too bad his cousin Mike couldn't be there with him to celebrate...

You mean in the same way that Al and David are in all of the pictures?  ;)

well, yeah


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Mendota Heights on September 08, 2014, 08:44:40 AM
Will def buy this movie when it comes out on Blue Ray. Looks great from what I can tell. Thanks Brian and the people around him for making this possible.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Mikie on September 08, 2014, 08:52:03 AM
Schiaffino, thanks for taking the time. Good review!


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: donald on September 08, 2014, 09:01:43 AM
Maybe I missed it scanning through the thread, but does anyone know when or if this will be in general release in theaters?  Wonder if it will be a limited or broad release......

From the reviews I anticipate it will be difficult to watch the whole thing with both eyes open.  But I will watch for sure first chance I get.  And yeah, I'll no doubt buy the video to add to my already ridiculous collection of beachboys product.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: urbanite on September 08, 2014, 09:17:03 AM
Looks like Brian is wearing is shirt out and long jacket to hide a very big gut.  I want to see this movie.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on September 08, 2014, 10:26:29 AM
Looks like Brian is wearing is shirt out and long jacket to hide a very big gut.  I want to see this movie.

I don't know. I've seen many other shots where Brian has his shirt out, and his weight looked much greater. In the top shot especially, looks like there is a big change.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: southbay on September 08, 2014, 10:39:09 AM
Maybe I missed it scanning through the thread, but does anyone know when or if this will be in general release in theaters?  Wonder if it will be a limited or broad release......

From the reviews I anticipate it will be difficult to watch the whole thing with both eyes open.  But I will watch for sure first chance I get.  And yeah, I'll no doubt buy the video to add to my already ridiculous collection of beachboys product.

Per the LA Times this morning, the film does not yet have a distributor, hence no release date...

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/filmfestivals/la-et-mn-toronto-assess-20140908-story.html#page=1


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 08, 2014, 11:16:39 AM
Looks like Brian is wearing is shirt out and long jacket to hide a very big gut.  I want to see this movie.

I don't know. I've seen many other shots where Brian has his shirt out, and his weight looked much greater. In the top shot especially, looks like there is a big change.
It's t he angle of the photo. Pictures from the same day (earlier)  show a different story.


Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
Post by: schiaffino on September 08, 2014, 11:50:30 AM
    I want to know more about the music in the film

    I read they made great use of pet sounds and smile multi tracks

    Yes, they did an amazing job. Only a few songs were performed in their entirety, I remember Sloop John B (the pool video recreation), Love and Mercy in the closing credits and Surfs Up (Brian/Dano solo performance). But if you dont mind some spoilers, here's a quick list of the best musical moments in the movie:
    • My fav, Brian (Dano) sitting next to his house pool alone and sad after the failure of Smile - this to the sound of 'Cool Cool Water'
    • A dream sequence after Brian (Cusack) leaves Landy, where he sees himself in bed at different ages in his life, while visited in his dreams by Murray, Landy, Melinda - this to a mix of different songs, but ending with a beautifully haunting 'Till I die'
    • When Brian (Dano) was recording Good Vibrations and he spends days and days on the cellos; at one moment Mike's cries out of desperation and Brian (Dano) says 'if you dont want to be here, Mike, you can wait outside the studio'
    • Brian (Dano) recording Caroline No, I think Dano did the singing here and it was really, really moving; later in the scene Murray comes in to play the Boys the new single from the other band he tried to produced The Sunrays' or sth like that (?)
    • Brian (Dano) playing God Only Knows to Murray as a preview and they getting into an argument after about the lyrics and the production. Cool thing is how Dano starts of singing and playing in a shy way and then gets into it as Brian surely did with his dad (I can imagine Brian really nervous whenever he sought Murray's feedback)
    • The Wrecking Crew playing Fire, all wearing firemen hats, and Brian (Dano) taking some burning wood ( I think) and running around with it in the studio. Everyone in the control booth was looking at Brian as if he'd gone mad, cool scene
    • And a cheesy scene where Brian (Cusack) plays an early riff of Love and Mercy to Melinda when she visits his house the first time. He said he thought of it the moment he met her, not sure if thats accurate...

    When I get home tonight from work I'll post a couple of more impressions, see if I can get the photos and Q&A video uploaded.

    Cheers!


    Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
    Post by: ThyRavenAscend on September 08, 2014, 11:52:18 AM
    Video footage of snippets of interviews from a few of the lead actors at the premier; they say stuff about Brian.  :)

    http://vimeo.com/m/105526979 (http://vimeo.com/m/105526979)


    Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
    Post by: Mendota Heights on September 08, 2014, 11:57:41 AM
    Is it mentioned in the movie that Mike had 6 wives?


    Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
    Post by: schiaffino on September 08, 2014, 11:59:06 AM
    Is it mentioned in the movie that Mike had 6 wives?

     :lol Nope


    Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
    Post by: schiaffino on September 08, 2014, 12:12:54 PM
      I want to know more about the music in the film

      I read they made great use of pet sounds and smile multi tracks

      Yes, they did an amazing job. Only a few songs were performed in their entirety, I remember Sloop John B (the pool video recreation), Love and Mercy in the closing credits and Surfs Up (Brian/Dano solo performance). But if you dont mind some spoilers, here's a quick list of the best musical moments in the movie:
      • My fav, Brian (Dano) sitting next to his house pool alone and sad after the failure of Smile - this to the sound of 'Cool Cool Water'
      • A dream sequence after Brian (Cusack) leaves Landy, where he sees himself in bed at different ages in his life, while visited in his dreams by Murray, Landy, Melinda - this to a mix of different songs, but ending with a beautifully haunting 'Till I die'
      • When Brian (Dano) was recording Good Vibrations and he spends days and days on the cellos; at one moment Mike's cries out of desperation and Brian (Dano) says 'if you dont want to be here, Mike, you can wait outside the studio'
      • Brian (Dano) recording Caroline No, I think Dano did the singing here and it was really, really moving; later in the scene Murray comes in to play the Boys the new single from the other band he tried to produced The Sunrays' or sth like that (?)
      • Brian (Dano) playing God Only Knows to Murray as a preview and they getting into an argument after about the lyrics and the production. Cool thing is how Dano starts of singing and playing in a shy way and then gets into it as Brian surely did with his dad (I can imagine Brian really nervous whenever he sought Murray's feedback)
      • The Wrecking Crew playing Fire, all wearing firemen hats, and Brian (Dano) taking some burning wood ( I think) and running around with it in the studio. Everyone in the control booth was looking at Brian as if he'd gone mad, cool scene
      • And a cheesy scene where Brian (Cusack) plays an early riff of Love and Mercy to Melinda when she visits his house the first time. He said he thought of it the moment he met her, not sure if thats accurate...

      When I get home tonight from work I'll post a couple of more impressions, see if I can get the photos and Q&A video uploaded.

      Cheers!

      Forgot to mention, Shady, that during Q&A the director said that they recreated all the songs (and song parts) using professionals musicians! And what they did to make it more authentic was to mix some of the new recordings with actual BBs ones, so in some songs you get a mix of Paul Dano and Brian singing!

      Thought that was amazing.

      and also during Q&A Paul Dano said the most difficult thing was to shoot the scene where he plays Surfs Up. Its all him, the singing and playing, and that was apparently his first day in the shooting. So he said he was scared to death, but managed to pull it off quite nicely  :)[/list]


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ontor pertawst on September 08, 2014, 12:14:21 PM
      Hopefully i'll be able to "Catch a Wave" on this and much like that one year where there were suddenly tons of meteor movies, i'll get the greenlight for my long cherished Ed Harris project LOVE AND BITTERNESS. I'm told that Stamos is especially keen to play Stamos.

      (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3842/14995000738_85ff1b2624.jpg)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 08, 2014, 12:25:08 PM
      Good God, I looked at that picture many times before I realized it was Ed Harris.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ontor pertawst on September 08, 2014, 12:27:25 PM
      Quote
      Good God, I looked at that picture many times before I realized it was Ed Harris.

      See?! SEE!? It's a no brainer. It can cut back and forth between two crucial periods of his life, the heady days of Kokomo and that time he met the Beatles in India. Think of the cutlery montage.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: southbay on September 08, 2014, 12:33:00 PM
      It would no doubt work but the title is too negative.  What can we do to project some positivity, maybe add some of the boy-girl dynamic so the people can "get it"...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ontor pertawst on September 08, 2014, 12:34:04 PM
      It would no doubt work but the title is too negative.  What can we do to project some positivity, maybe add some of the boy-girl dynamic so the people can "get it"...

      "It's a Love Thing" -- positivity, redemption, and the possibility of yogic flying set against a backdrop of protracted legal battles and relentless touring. BOX OFFICE GOLD.

      Ok! Back to Brian. Stamos... (makes call me gesture)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Matt H on September 08, 2014, 12:38:41 PM
      Not sure how to post pictures, but there are 2 cool ones on Brian's facebook page, one from the movie, and one from the premiere.


      https://www.facebook.com/officialbrianwilson


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: southbay on September 08, 2014, 12:48:34 PM
      It would no doubt work but the title is too negative.  What can we do to project some positivity, maybe add some of the boy-girl dynamic so the people can "get it"...

      "It's a Love Thing" -- positivity, redemption, and the possibility of yogic flying set against a backdrop of protracted legal battles and relentless touring. BOX OFFICE GOLD.

      Ok! Back to Brian. Stamos... (makes call me gesture)

      See, now I'm sucked in..


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 08, 2014, 12:52:51 PM
      Thanks to all for the info and reviews, specially schiaffino. Im so glad that this movie is getting nothing but good reviews. In some time we'll see if its great, very good or just good, but at least its not bad, that was my worry. Now we just have to wait for the trailer.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on September 08, 2014, 12:55:02 PM
      http://biffbampop.com/2014/09/08/tiff-2014-love-and-mercy-reviewed/ (http://biffbampop.com/2014/09/08/tiff-2014-love-and-mercy-reviewed/)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 08, 2014, 02:03:55 PM

      Forgot to mention, Shady, that during Q&A the director said that they recreated all the songs (and song parts) using professionals musicians! And what they did to make it more authentic was to mix some of the new recordings with actual BBs ones, so in some songs you get a mix of Paul Dano and Brian singing!

      Thought that was amazing.

      and also during Q&A Paul Dano said the most difficult thing was to shoot the scene where he plays Surfs Up. Its all him, the singing and playing, and that was apparently his first day in the shooting. So he said he was scared to death, but managed to pull it off quite nicely  :)

      During the actual filming, several of the "actors" portraying the various studio musicians had dropped hints indirectly about this without actually saying what the director said yesterday or the description of Dano recreating Inside Pop. The 'actors' playing the Wrecking Crew were/are actually professional musicians, such as Teresa Cowles who plays Carol Kaye...she is a working pro bass player and performer. So having the director confirm this is pretty cool, and it puts into context the few photos posted to Instagram/Twitter/Facebook/etc that had candid shots of these musicians dressed in 60's garb between takes of the studio scenes.

      They not only played the roles but according to the Q&A they played the music too. I cannot wait to see and hear how they edited all of this together into a finished product. Quite a daunting task.

      As far as the musical skills of some of the actors, remember there were photos and postings about a live jam session they all had at one point with Brian on stage at a wrap party or some similar event, jamming through some of the hits.

      I like this more current practice of having the actors themselves actually play and sing the parts, then finding that balance between the originals and the new recreations. It's not a new thing, recall Gary Busey playing Buddy Holly including the musical performances, but the bar has been set pretty high for how this is done in these kinds of films where the music is as much a star as the actors themselves.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 08, 2014, 02:08:47 PM
      Photos like this one of Teresa Cowles:  ;)

      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/teresacowles_zps5004a390.jpg)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Rich E P on September 08, 2014, 02:10:23 PM
      Thanks for the reports!  Must see this soon.  I was so worried that it would be a disaster or let down like some of the previous attempts.  Seems like all reviews thus far (from attendees and pro critics) are quite positive.

      Now I want to know what will be on the soundtrack!!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 08, 2014, 02:58:12 PM
      http://fridaynightboys300.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/love-and-mercy-brian-wilson-biopic.html


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: schiaffino on September 08, 2014, 03:02:11 PM
      http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/sep/08/love-and-mercy-review-brian-wilson-biopic

      I couldnt agree more with this review.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on September 08, 2014, 03:05:29 PM
      Another "screenshot" courtesy of Claudia Graf.
      (http://s27.postimg.org/5ktyeywqb/925968_1489990447926280_2020306739_n.jpg)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 08, 2014, 03:43:54 PM
      Another "screenshot" courtesy of Claudia Graf.
      (http://s27.postimg.org/5ktyeywqb/925968_1489990447926280_2020306739_n.jpg)


      Actor on right. Carl?

      Beard alert...Beard alert!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: schiaffino on September 08, 2014, 03:49:11 PM
      Another "screenshot" courtesy of Claudia Graf.
      (http://s27.postimg.org/5ktyeywqb/925968_1489990447926280_2020306739_n.jpg)


      Actor on right. Carl?

      Beard alert...Beard alert!

      Nope, one of Landy's goons


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: coco1997 on September 08, 2014, 03:49:45 PM
      Any hint of a release date for this thing?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 08, 2014, 04:03:00 PM
      Another "screenshot" courtesy of Claudia Graf.
      (http://s27.postimg.org/5ktyeywqb/925968_1489990447926280_2020306739_n.jpg)


      I think the guy manning the grill looks more like Brian than Cuasck does.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 08, 2014, 04:06:54 PM

      I think the guy manning the grill looks more like Brian than Cuasck does.

      Thats Paul Giamatti... and I agree. In that picture he does look more like Brian.  :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: rab2591 on September 08, 2014, 04:11:01 PM

      I think the guy manning the grill looks more like Brian than Cuasck does.

      Thats Paul Giamatti... and I agree. In that picture he does look more like Brian.  :lol

      I honestly thought it was Brian at first, then I saw Cusask and got confused ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 08, 2014, 04:20:09 PM
      Any hint of a release date for this thing?

      We should know pretty soon

      The film, which does not have a U.S. distributor but has attracted substantial buyer interest since its premiere at the festival

      http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-toronto-film-festival-john-cusack-paul-dano-brian-wilson-s-20140908-story.html#page=1 (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-toronto-film-festival-john-cusack-paul-dano-brian-wilson-s-20140908-story.html#page=1)

      Credit to all involved, Love & Mercy has had a very successful showing at the festival


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on September 08, 2014, 05:57:19 PM
      http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/2014/09/danos-wilson-love-mercy-staggering/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
      Another stellar review.

      http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/09/08/toronto-beach-boy-brian-wilson-gets-standing-ovation-for-outstanding-biopic
      Some interesting notes from this article: The movie, by the way, won’t help Wilson family relations. Beach Boy Mike Love, a cousin, always known as a creep, comes off just that way.

      Lions Gate has international rights, they may release “Love and Mercy” in the US if someone else doesn’t. The movie’s a hit, though. And it’s so great that Brian Wilson has gotten a decent film document of his enormous cultural legacy.


      Also, I still think the perfect opening for a BBs movie would be Brian walking along the shore at the rented beach house Landy had him in, with "Male Ego" playing in the background as he stumbles clumsily over the rocks. He looks nervously at girls passing by as the song continues. As the song fades, we cut to the car dealership where he meets Melinda.
      I like that! A very quirky & inspired opening. From reading schiaffino's review (thanks for that, btw!), i'd say Let's Go To Heaven In My Car would've been perfect to play over that last scene.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 08, 2014, 06:17:26 PM
      The reviews both officially published in the trades and firsthand from other viewers and bloggers seem unanimous so far - it's a damn fine film! With this much positive talk from one screening at the film fest, I agree, I don't think getting a distributor will be an issue at this point.

      Now my question for those who saw it - How was the "woodie" station wagon seen that was being debated a few months ago handled in the film? Was that later-model car from the on-set photos used to represent the Surfin Safari Model A truck?

      Silly, I know, but my curious nature got the best of me. I gotta know.  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 08, 2014, 06:32:46 PM
      Brian watching the movie

      (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw-7YDFIcAAvUeo.jpg)

      Brian leaving the movie

      (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw--i-LIIAAKCju.jpg)


      I'd love to know what he really thought of it and what it was like for him to see his life on screen. Guess we'll never know.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on September 08, 2014, 06:38:33 PM
      well he's got that autobiography that's supposed to come out next yr. Maybe he'll give his thoughts on it in there.

      But yah, sitting right there in the audience. What'a trip that must've been.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQUG0ekNaM0 Brian somewhat "collapsing" at the screening. Hopefully he was ok. Looks like he awkwardly tried to stand up and kinda tripped.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 08, 2014, 06:50:03 PM

      Hey Shady, you got one of Brian takin' a wiz?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: bgas on September 08, 2014, 06:57:35 PM

      Hey Shady, you got one of Brian takin' a wiz?

      A close-up!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 08, 2014, 06:59:05 PM
      But yah, sitting right there in the audience. What'a trip that must've been.

      How about it? I think it says a lot about the man to be able to watch those incredibly tough scenes of his life play out on screen, and to be in the middle of the whole thing ending in a standing ovation from those around him, taking it all in graciously and with a smile. My takeaway is that he is a survivor, and at many times in the past 45 years or so the odds would have been against Brian Wilson, yet he is still creating music for his fans and putting smiles on their faces. Inspiring.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 08, 2014, 07:00:39 PM

      Hey Shady, you got one of Brian takin' a wiz?

      You wish.

      Seriously though, I'll have a look if I can find one.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 08, 2014, 07:05:45 PM
      But yah, sitting right there in the audience. What'a trip that must've been.

      How about it? I think it says a lot about the man to be able to watch those incredibly tough scenes of his life play out on screen, and to be in the middle of the whole thing ending in a standing ovation from those around him, taking it all in graciously and with a smile. My takeaway is that he is a survivor, and at many times in the past 45 years or so the odds would have been against Brian Wilson, yet he is still creating music for his fans and putting smiles on their faces. Inspiring.

      Well put.  My sincerest hope is that one day either during this lifetime or in the great beyond, he realizes that in spite of the pain he has endured, how many lives his music has saved.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 08, 2014, 07:06:54 PM
      Poor guy can't even watch a movie in peace......


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Awesoman on September 08, 2014, 07:07:38 PM
      Brian watching the movie

      (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw-7YDFIcAAvUeo.jpg)

      Brian leaving the movie

      (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw--i-LIIAAKCju.jpg)


      I'd love to know what he really thought of it and what it was like for him to see his life on screen. Guess we'll never know.

      Probably didn't care for it as much as Norbit


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: punkinhead on September 08, 2014, 07:07:46 PM
      Maybe I missed it scanning through the thread, but does anyone know when or if this will be in general release in theaters?  Wonder if it will be a limited or broad release......

      From the reviews I anticipate it will be difficult to watch the whole thing with both eyes open.  But I will watch for sure first chance I get.  And yeah, I'll no doubt buy the video to add to my already ridiculous collection of beachboys product.

      Per the LA Times this morning, the film does not yet have a distributor, hence no release date...

      http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/filmfestivals/la-et-mn-toronto-assess-20140908-story.html#page=1

      Just read on wiki that the distributor is Lions Gate Entertainment, I hope that's true!!!

      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Mercy_(film)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: rab2591 on September 08, 2014, 07:11:20 PM
      Maybe I missed it scanning through the thread, but does anyone know when or if this will be in general release in theaters?  Wonder if it will be a limited or broad release......

      From the reviews I anticipate it will be difficult to watch the whole thing with both eyes open.  But I will watch for sure first chance I get.  And yeah, I'll no doubt buy the video to add to my already ridiculous collection of beachboys product.

      Per the LA Times this morning, the film does not yet have a distributor, hence no release date...

      http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/filmfestivals/la-et-mn-toronto-assess-20140908-story.html#page=1

      Just read on wiki that the distributor is Lions Gate Entertainment, I hope that's true!!!

      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Mercy_(film)

      Lion's Gate will distribute the film internationally. They've yet to find a distributor for the US.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 08, 2014, 07:17:15 PM
      Poor guy can't even watch a movie in peace......

       :lol That's funny!

      I wonder if there were any reports of hooligans, street toughs, and various ne'er-do-wells talking loudly and throwing popcorn and Sno-Caps in that theater.  :-D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 08, 2014, 07:20:39 PM
      But yah, sitting right there in the audience. What'a trip that must've been.

      How about it? I think it says a lot about the man to be able to watch those incredibly tough scenes of his life play out on screen, and to be in the middle of the whole thing ending in a standing ovation from those around him, taking it all in graciously and with a smile. My takeaway is that he is a survivor, and at many times in the past 45 years or so the odds would have been against Brian Wilson, yet he is still creating music for his fans and putting smiles on their faces. Inspiring.

      Well put.  My sincerest hope is that one day either during this lifetime or in the great beyond, he realizes that in spite of the pain he has endured, how many lives his music has saved.

      I share that hope. Count me among the many helped and inspired by that music.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 08, 2014, 07:29:31 PM
      Poor guy can't even watch a movie in peace......

       :lol That's funny!

      I wonder if there were any reports of hooligans, street toughs, and various ne'er-do-wells talking loudly and throwing popcorn and Sno-Caps in that theater.  :-D

      Yeah! Slide into the row behind him and crinkle candy wrappers, smack your lips eating popcorn, and shake the cup of ice to see if there's any Coke left to slurp up the straw.

      No, seriously. I'd like to see some close-up shots of Brian's face watching "Seconds".


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: jcm on September 08, 2014, 07:48:30 PM
      Thanks to everyone that posted links to reviews and first hand accounts from the screening.  One lingering question that I can't say has been conclusively answered: is there a mixture of newly recorded BB/BW music with original music?  I gather that at least Dano does perform some songs?

      For a laugh, I went back and read something I wrote two summers ago.  It was a treatment for a movie about Brian Wilson.  Silly and self-indulgent is all I'll say.  But I can't help but compare what the structure wound up as and what I wrote.  Needless to say, juxtaposing 80's Brian and 60's Brian is the most inspired way to do this story.  And there had to be a through line I guess, that would be Melinda "saving" Brian.

      If your interested in reading what I'm referring to...don't laugh too hard:

      http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=13419.0 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=13419.0)

      I can't wait to see "Love & Mercy" myself.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 08, 2014, 07:56:59 PM
      Thanks to everyone that posted links to reviews and first hand accounts from the screening.  One lingering question that I can't say has been conclusively answered: is there a mixture of newly recorded BB/BW music with original music?  I gather that at least Dano does perform some songs?

      For a laugh, I went back and read something I wrote two summers ago.  It was a treatment for a movie about Brian Wilson.  Silly and self-indulgent is all I'll say.  But I can't help but compare what the structure wound up as and what I wrote.  Needless to say, juxtaposing 80's Brian and 60's Brian is the most inspired way to do this story.  And there had to be a through line I guess, that would be Melinda "saving" Brian.

      If your interested in reading what I'm referring to...don't laugh too hard:

      http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=13419.0 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=13419.0)

      I can't wait to see "Love & Mercy" myself.

      The music in the film has been covered by schiaffino. Paul Dano does sing.

      Quote
      Yes, they did an amazing job. Only a few songs were performed in their entirety, I remember Sloop John B (the pool video recreation), Love and Mercy in the closing credits and Surfs Up (Brian/Dano solo performance). But if you dont mind some spoilers, here's a quick list of the best musical moments in the movie:
      • My fav, Brian (Dano) sitting next to his house pool alone and sad after the failure of Smile - this to the sound of 'Cool Cool Water'
      • A dream sequence after Brian (Cusack) leaves Landy, where he sees himself in bed at different ages in his life, while visited in his dreams by Murray, Landy, Melinda - this to a mix of different songs, but ending with a beautifully haunting 'Till I die'
      • When Brian (Dano) was recording Good Vibrations and he spends days and days on the cellos; at one moment Mike's cries out of desperation and Brian (Dano) says 'if you dont want to be here, Mike, you can wait outside the studio'
      • Brian (Dano) recording Caroline No, I think Dano did the singing here and it was really, really moving; later in the scene Murray comes in to play the Boys the new single from the other band he tried to produced The Sunrays' or sth like that (?)
      • Brian (Dano) playing God Only Knows to Murray as a preview and they getting into an argument after about the lyrics and the production. Cool thing is how Dano starts of singing and playing in a shy way and then gets into it as Brian surely did with his dad (I can imagine Brian really nervous whenever he sought Murray's feedback)
      • The Wrecking Crew playing Fire, all wearing firemen hats, and Brian (Dano) taking some burning wood ( I think) and running around with it in the studio. Everyone in the control booth was looking at Brian as if he'd gone mad, cool scene
      • And a cheesy scene where Brian (Cusack) plays an early riff of Love and Mercy to Melinda when she visits his house the first time. He said he thought of it the moment he met her, not sure if thats accurate...



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: jcm on September 08, 2014, 08:03:12 PM
      The music in the film has been covered by schiaffino. Paul Dano does sing.

      Thanks!  Hopefully we'll get an official soundtrack release!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 08, 2014, 08:06:53 PM
      That would be fantastic!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on September 08, 2014, 09:38:19 PM
      http://variety.com/2014/film/reviews/toronto-film-review-love-mercy-1201301472/
      Paul Dano and John Cusack bring the Beach Boys' Brian Wilson to life in Bill Pohlad's vibrant cure for the common musical biopic.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Rocky Raccoon on September 08, 2014, 09:46:13 PM
      This keeps sounding better and better.  I am so excited for this.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 08, 2014, 09:50:16 PM
      I guess with these positive reviews marketing people will start looking at link-ups such as a soundtrack album.

      Well done to those involved with the movie BTW. Sounds like a winner!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: joshferrell on September 08, 2014, 11:05:14 PM
      well he's got that autobiography that's supposed to come out next yr. Maybe he'll give his thoughts on it in there.

      But yah, sitting right there in the audience. What'a trip that must've been.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQUG0ekNaM0 Brian somewhat "collapsing" at the screening. Hopefully he was ok. Looks like he awkwardly tried to stand up and kinda tripped.
      yeah I thought maybe he stood up and kind of fell forward, maybe because of his back? I know that he has had back problems it looks like he stood up and lost his balance, the video ends so quickly it's hard to tell, but if he had Collapsed I would think it would have been in the media.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 08, 2014, 11:13:36 PM
      yeah I thought maybe he stood up and kind of fell forward, maybe because of his back? I know that he has had back problems it looks like he stood up and lost his balance, the video ends so quickly it's hard to tell, but if he had Collapsed I would think it would have been in the media.

      Well put. I'm sure that if Brian HAD REALLY collapsed at the screening of his own biopic, someone would, by now, have announced that they were going to make a movie about the 50 years leading up to that moment.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: the professor on September 08, 2014, 11:15:10 PM
      Guardian review confirms my fears: Melinda is inspirational hero; BB are just fools in the way of genius..........
      any film that builds toward "love as mercy" aesthetically or conceptually is bound to be a bore.

      no thanks




      http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/sep/08/love-and-mercy-review-brian-wilson-biopic

      I couldnt agree more with this review.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 08, 2014, 11:22:58 PM
      Guardian review confirms my fears: Melinda is inspirational hero; BB are just fools in the way of genius..........
      any film that builds toward "love as mercy" aesthetically or conceptually is bound to be a bore.

      no thanks




      http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/sep/08/love-and-mercy-review-brian-wilson-biopic

      I couldnt agree more with this review.

      However you may perceive her as a 'villain', to Brian, she undoubtedly has been inspirational and a saviour as far as Brian is concerned. Perhaps to make it of more interest dramatically, he should have died of an overdose in the early 80s. You know, the downbeat ending = good drama school of thought.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 08, 2014, 11:45:35 PM
      From what I've read, she's portrayed as the sole heroine who liberated Brian, and that's simply not the case. The lawsuit that lead directly to Landy's hold over Brian being broken was instigated May 7th 1991 by the family: Carl, Audree, Wendy & Carnie. As far as anyone's aware, Melinda didn't renew contact with Brian until summer 1993. Not denying she gave Brian somewhere where he could feel secure and productive, nor that she was instrumental in instigating the two major moments in his solo career... but the single person who freed Brian from Landy's malign influence, no. Maybe the reviewer has it wrong. We'll see. Have to say, from all the current reviews, the movie looks set to be way better than pretty much any of us here dared hope.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 08, 2014, 11:50:23 PM

      I'd love to know what he really thought of it and what it was like for him to see his life on screen. Guess we'll never know.

      Probably didn't care for it as much as Norbit.  

      "Brian, what's your favorite movie ?"

      "Love & Mercy"

      "What's the last movie you saw ?"

      "Love & Mercy"


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 08, 2014, 11:57:05 PM
      :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Lowbacca on September 09, 2014, 01:31:49 AM
      [...] the movie looks set to be way better than pretty much any of us here dared hope.
      Not me. ;D I've been psyched since screenwriters/producers/director were announced. Casting Giamatti and Dano is the cherry on top. :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Loaf on September 09, 2014, 01:47:30 AM
      From what I've read, she's portrayed as the sole heroine who liberated Brian, and that's simply not the case. The lawsuit that lead directly to Landy's hold over Brian being broken was instigated May 7th 1991 by the family: Carl, Audree, Wendy & Carnie. As far as anyone's aware, Melinda didn't renew contact with Brian until summer 1993. Not denying she gave Brian somewhere where he could feel secure and productive, nor that she was instrumental in instigating the two major moments in his solo career... but the single person who freed Brian from Landy's malign influence, no. Maybe the reviewer has it wrong. We'll see. Have to say, from all the current reviews, the movie looks set to be way better than pretty much any of us here dared hope.

      I'd be surprised if the movie wasn't a little loose with the more complicated truth over the conservatorship. Having Melinda act as the driving force streamlines the narrative, reduces the need for more involved secondary characters and increases the reputation of Melinda for the audience.

      I'm not saying Melinda had any influence in the script being written that way, it's just a standard Hollywood story of the saviour and redemption.

      But i'm still looking forward to it.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: punkinhead on September 09, 2014, 04:00:06 AM
      Maybe I missed it scanning through the thread, but does anyone know when or if this will be in general release in theaters?  Wonder if it will be a limited or broad release......

      From the reviews I anticipate it will be difficult to watch the whole thing with both eyes open.  But I will watch for sure first chance I get.  And yeah, I'll no doubt buy the video to add to my already ridiculous collection of beachboys product.

      Per the LA Times this morning, the film does not yet have a distributor, hence no release date...

      http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/filmfestivals/la-et-mn-toronto-assess-20140908-story.html#page=1

      Just read on wiki that the distributor is Lions Gate Entertainment, I hope that's true!!!

      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Mercy_(film)

      Lion's Gate will distribute the film internationally. They've yet to find a distributor for the US.
      Oh ok, I don't really understand the whole process of that type of situation, I love movies, but how they're produced and the distribution and what not will always be a mystery to me. 😉


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 09, 2014, 04:47:17 AM
      I've stayed away from these threads generally because I'm not a fan of biopics as they rarely do their subject justice in my opinion (The Beatles have had some horrendous ones).  The main problem with them is they tend to skew towards one side of the story instead of giving the viewer a bird's eye view of a lot of the events in question.  That being said, I think this film will do much in terms of elevating Brian Wilson's public profile and making people aware of his struggles and plights which can only be a good thing in my opinion for circumstances that extend far beyond Brian.  As guitarfool mentioned, Brian Wilson is a survivor and his story should be shared with the general public. 

      Again though the qualms I have regarding this film are in line with my problems with biopics in general.  From reading comments and reviews, it seems that once again in mapping out the plot, Hollywood has decided to cast people in roles of heroes and villains where as it pertains to the story of The Beach Boys (or life in general) the roles are far more fluid.  It has been said that Mike Love for example has been cast in a negative light in this film and while I don't consider myself to be a Mike Love apologist, casting him in that role is patently unfair.  What is worse that since this film has the potential to reach many eyes, it could be taken/written into history that Mike Love was as he appeared in this film which against is not only grossly unfair but in many ways inaccurate as well. 



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Loaf on September 09, 2014, 05:32:30 AM
      That being said, I think this film will do much in terms of elevating Brian Wilson's public profile and making people aware of his struggles and plights which can only be a good thing in my opinion for circumstances that extend far beyond Brian.  As guitarfool mentioned, Brian Wilson is a survivor and his story should be shared with the general public. 


      The irony is that the "Brian as a survivor" narrative has been used to sell Brian's work probably starting with 1976 (Brian's Back), but even in the Landy era. I don't think i've read an article on Brian's solo work that hasn't made mention of the backstory, which let's face it, is gold for journalists :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Sheriff John Stone on September 09, 2014, 05:58:12 AM
      From what I've read, she's portrayed as the sole heroine who liberated Brian, and that's simply not the case. The lawsuit that lead directly to Landy's hold over Brian being broken was instigated May 7th 1991 by the family: Carl, Audree, Wendy & Carnie. As far as anyone's aware, Melinda didn't renew contact with Brian until summer 1993. Not denying she gave Brian somewhere where he could feel secure and productive, nor that she was instrumental in instigating the two major moments in his solo career... but the single person who freed Brian from Landy's malign influence, no. Maybe the reviewer has it wrong. We'll see. Have to say, from all the current reviews, the movie looks set to be way better than pretty much any of us here dared hope.

      This^, and especially regarding Carl Wilson, who from what we have read, took it very, very hard with what HE had to do in reference to Brian's conservatorship. And, maybe they did address the Carl angle significantly; if so I stand to be corrected. Admittedly, I haven't been following this film very closely for reasons that John Mill eloquently addressed above.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Emdeeh on September 09, 2014, 06:10:48 AM
      Sherriff, you're right about Carl -- I witnessed some of the toll the whole Landy affair took on him.  :(

      Here's a somewhat different take on the film from MacLeans:
      http://www.macleans.ca/culture/tiff-2014-diary-getting-good-vibrations-with-brian-wilson/

      "Monday was a six-interview day, which left precious little time for anything but fretting over how I would embarrass myself in front of someone famous. Yet somehow I squeezed in a screening of Love & Mercy between all the neuroses, and was mostly glad for the distraction. The drama by first-time director (and long-time producer) Bill Pohlad chronicles two halves of Brian Wilson’s life: his early days with the Beach Boys, where he’s played with twitchy glee by Paul Dano, and his mid-fifties, in the form of John Cusack. (Let’s put aside the fact that Dano and Cusack look nothing like each other.)

      "Naturally, the soundtrack is unimpeachable, and Pohlad offers a riveting look at how Wilson crafted such aural wonders as 'God Only Knows' and 'Good Vibrations.' Cusack, too, is captivating, and offers one of his best performances in years as the sheltered and lonely Wilson, stuck under the watchful eye of a shady Dr. Eugene Landy (Paul Giamatti, practically twirling an evil moustache). Still, the film goes to painful lengths to paint Wilson as a music god, turning the biography into hagiography. The closing credits emphasizing that Wilson is 'one of the greatest musical minds ever' push the film into an insultingly didactic territory."



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Rocket on September 09, 2014, 06:45:20 AM
      ^ Well, Brian is a music god, why hide it?  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mr. Cohen on September 09, 2014, 06:50:05 AM
      Exactly, dude wrote Pet Sounds. 'Til I Die.  Too Much Sugar.

      He's a God, though it sounds like the movie was designed to make Mike Love projectile vomit uncontrollably.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 09, 2014, 07:56:23 AM
      I've stayed away from these threads generally because I'm not a fan of biopics as they rarely do their subject justice in my opinion

      I agree. I am a firm believer that if you really want to learn about Brian Wilson, listen to his discography. Same as any good artist.

      Quote
      The main problem with them is they tend to skew towards one side of the story instead of giving the viewer a bird's eye view of a lot of the events in question. 

      Interesting, but I'm curious (genuinely) how that would work as a movie.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Lowbacca on September 09, 2014, 08:14:19 AM
      Regarding the waiting period for a theatrical trailer: I guess they've been waiting to incoporate possible 'hype' after the festival premiere to create one of those 'critics trailers'. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure.


      Something like this:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGeFqn6hGS0 *





      * Brian's movie is bound to have less talking racoons, though. Probably. Who knows.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Emdeeh on September 09, 2014, 08:33:37 AM
      He's a God, though it sounds like the movie was designed to make Mike Love projectile vomit uncontrollably.

      Not in my book -- Brian's a man, blessed with extraordinary God-given talent.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mr. Cohen on September 09, 2014, 08:45:09 AM
      Which page in your book? I don't think anyone made it past the first chapter!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mike's Beard on September 09, 2014, 09:06:20 AM
      Encouraging to see positive reviews for the film. Looking forward to seeing it but I am miffed to hear that the other guys barely factor into the story.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Wirestone on September 09, 2014, 09:39:53 AM
      From what I've read, she's portrayed as the sole heroine who liberated Brian, and that's simply not the case. The lawsuit that lead directly to Landy's hold over Brian being broken was instigated May 7th 1991 by the family: Carl, Audree, Wendy & Carnie. As far as anyone's aware, Melinda didn't renew contact with Brian until summer 1993. Not denying she gave Brian somewhere where he could feel secure and productive, nor that she was instrumental in instigating the two major moments in his solo career... but the single person who freed Brian from Landy's malign influence, no. Maybe the reviewer has it wrong. We'll see. Have to say, from all the current reviews, the movie looks set to be way better than pretty much any of us here dared hope.

      Aren't we forgetting the "anonymous former Landy employee" on Prime Time Live?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 09, 2014, 09:44:39 AM
      So how is Mike portrayed in the film? Anybody who's actually seen it care to respond?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on September 09, 2014, 10:21:17 AM
      Review from Guardian newspaper:

      http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/sep/08/love-and-mercy-review-brian-wilson-biopic


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 09, 2014, 10:31:57 AM
      Review from Guardian newspaper:

      http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/sep/08/love-and-mercy-review-brian-wilson-biopic

      "Bill Pohlad's biopic of the Beach Boys mastermind is immaculate and respectful, but the arc of growth and redemption is too neat"

      Hey - that sounds familiar!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: schiaffino on September 09, 2014, 10:42:20 AM
      From what I've read, she's portrayed as the sole heroine who liberated Brian, and that's simply not the case. The lawsuit that lead directly to Landy's hold over Brian being broken was instigated May 7th 1991 by the family: Carl, Audree, Wendy & Carnie. As far as anyone's aware, Melinda didn't renew contact with Brian until summer 1993. Not denying she gave Brian somewhere where he could feel secure and productive, nor that she was instrumental in instigating the two major moments in his solo career... but the single person who freed Brian from Landy's malign influence, no. Maybe the reviewer has it wrong. We'll see. Have to say, from all the current reviews, the movie looks set to be way better than pretty much any of us here dared hope.

      Andrew brings up a big point and that's the accuracy of the movie's telling of the story. Its true Melinda comes out as being the heroine in Brian's liberation from Landy. Carl and Audree are not acknowledged, besides a quick phone call she makes to them when she gets Brian's modified will.

      --SPOILERS ALERT---

      During the Q&A, the director did say that for them it was a great challenge to squeeze in such a complicated story (with so many areas of discussion) in a 2hr film. He even said, half jokingly, that he would leave up the validation of whats true and false to 'BBs scholars' and the whole theater laughed!

      Aside from Melinda's involvement, there's a bunch of other 'implied' interpretations that I'm sure are going to raise heated debates in this board. From what I remember, the movie implied that:
      • Brian came up with the idea for Good Vibrations after the release of Pet Sounds and got to work on it only after Mike complained PS was not going gold
      • Murray sold the song portfolio rights after the failure to release Smile...there's a scene with Brian (Dano) looking at the Smile tapes in the studio when Murray comes in and tells him the news
      • Brian went to bed after the failure of Smile and didnt come out of it until Landy in the 80s and the work on his first solo album
      • SmileySmile was the idea of the rest of the boys since Brian was not able to finish Smile; the film implies he had nothing to do with the production
      • Brian's inspiration to write PS and Smile was from an acid trip (somehow implied as his first one) he took at his home pool

      But the above didnt stop me from enjoying the film, specially the production details (which were fantastic) and Dano's superb acting. As a semi-advanced BB fan I know the gray areas in the story, that's why I bug everyone here in the board so much about heroes and villains' questions  >:D



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: schiaffino on September 09, 2014, 10:45:47 AM
      So how is Mike portrayed in the film? Anybody who's actually seen it care to respond?

      He was portrayed rather ok in my opinion. He was caring for the band and trying to make Brian focus his work on music that would be succesful with their fan base. Problem is that Van Dyke's character was not elaborated and the Smile period was not explored in depth in terms of what Brian's intentions were. So when Mike dismisses Van Dyke, its actually makes sense.

      Now, on a different note, the rest of the band was shown as having no relevance whatsoever. Not even Carl.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 09, 2014, 10:51:36 AM

      Well, we all have to understand that this is a film about Brian Wilson, not about the Beach Boys per se; and you only have 100-120 minutes to make a coherent and atractive statement, so the directors always take some "creative licences" to adjust the real facts. After all, the movie is not adressed to hardcore BW/BBs fans.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: schiaffino on September 09, 2014, 10:54:52 AM

      Well, we all have to understand that this is a film about Brian Wilson, not about the Beach Boys per se; and you only have 100-120 minutes to make a coherent and atractive statement, so the directors always take some "creative licences" to adjust the real facts. After all, the movie is not adressed to hardcore BW/BBs fans.

      Agree, but I'm sure everyone here will love the production details and how they used the music. Its really, really good.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: HeyJude on September 09, 2014, 11:01:37 AM

      Well, we all have to understand that this is a film about Brian Wilson, not about the Beach Boys per se; and you only have 100-120 minutes to make a coherent and atractive statement, so the directors always take some "creative licences" to adjust the real facts. After all, the movie is not adressed to hardcore BW/BBs fans.

      The problem is that, even if you view the other BB's as a largely malign influence (I don't of course, it's obviously a much more complicated story), even then they figure prominently into Brian's story.

      The Gary Usher episodes from the 80's shows that even as Landy had Brian breaking away and beginning solo stuff, the Beach Boys were a big part of it, in many ways.

      Just as Dennis' story, heck even David Marks' story, wove in and out of the Beach Boys even when they didn't want it to. Brian's story in some ways is the same. Even at his lowest points, especially pre-Landy in the 80's, the BB's were a huge part of his life. The story that Jerry Schilling relates in, I believe it's the late 90's A&E Biography, where they have to "fire" Brian in 1982 and Schilling describes Brian's reaction, it's very similar to how Dennis felt in his last years. He still wanted to be a Beach Boy, for whatever reason.

      But it's definitely the case that this film is not targeted at hardcore fans. It's kind of weird though, that there are some really interesting, important things that happened that I would think even a non-fan would find interesting (and I'm not even talking about things as scandalous as the Manson connection to the group) that films like this often ignore.

      Apart from factual wonkiness, the biggest issue for me may end up being the rather formulaic plotting. The exciting early days, genius peak, then immediately into crazy, laying in bed all day, then a resurgence tempered by Landy, then redemption. It ain't that simple, even when you strip it down to its bare minimum.

      It would say it's too bad that the others who took court action to remove Landy aren't noted in the film (based on the reviews so far), not even so much because they deserve "credit", but because the fact that they had to try to step in speaks strongly the seriousness of what was going on with Landy. This is the stuff that they got into in the "Primetime Live" report and things like that.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: HeyJude on September 09, 2014, 11:03:00 AM
      So how is Mike portrayed in the film? Anybody who's actually seen it care to respond?

      He was portrayed rather ok in my opinion. He was caring for the band and trying to make Brian focus his work on music that would be succesful with their fan base. Problem is that Van Dyke's character was not elaborated and the Smile period was not explored in depth in terms of what Brian's intentions were. So when Mike dismisses Van Dyke, its actually makes sense.

      Now, on a different note, the rest of the band was shown as having no relevance whatsoever. Not even Carl.

      That's interesting particularly because they would have more room to depict Carl or Dennis in whatever fashion they wanted without fear of lawsuits, as opposed to the living members.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: HeyJude on September 09, 2014, 11:04:35 AM
      From what I've read, she's portrayed as the sole heroine who liberated Brian, and that's simply not the case. The lawsuit that lead directly to Landy's hold over Brian being broken was instigated May 7th 1991 by the family: Carl, Audree, Wendy & Carnie. As far as anyone's aware, Melinda didn't renew contact with Brian until summer 1993. Not denying she gave Brian somewhere where he could feel secure and productive, nor that she was instrumental in instigating the two major moments in his solo career... but the single person who freed Brian from Landy's malign influence, no. Maybe the reviewer has it wrong. We'll see. Have to say, from all the current reviews, the movie looks set to be way better than pretty much any of us here dared hope.

      Aren't we forgetting the "anonymous former Landy employee" on Prime Time Live?

      Yeah, a lot of the stuff depicted in that report would have made for rather dramatic (and factually accurate) bits in a film. Particularly that bit with Mike's brother holding the press conference, only for Brian to "crash" it and awkwardly read a prepared statement ("out of the ballpark!").


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: urbanite on September 09, 2014, 11:11:32 AM
      If he's portrayed negatively, I'm sure Mike Love will have something to say in the public forum.  I am curious to see what he comes up with.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: donald on September 09, 2014, 11:17:43 AM
      He's a God, though it sounds like the movie was designed to make Mike Love projectile vomit uncontrollably.

      Not in my book -- Brian's a man, blessed with extraordinary God-given talent.


      why bring god into it at all?   Brian is a uniquely talented creator of fine music .   


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 09, 2014, 11:43:20 AM
      he would leave up the validation of whats true and false to 'BBs scholars' and the whole theater laughed!

      An entire room full of people laughed at us.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 09, 2014, 11:59:26 AM
      Not the first time


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Lowbacca on September 09, 2014, 12:03:54 PM
       :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: CM Punky Brewster on September 09, 2014, 12:09:25 PM
      he would leave up the validation of whats true and false to 'BBs scholars' and the whole theater laughed!

      An entire room full of people laughed at us.

      Well, you all are kind of nuts.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 09, 2014, 12:12:23 PM
      He's a God, though it sounds like the movie was designed to make Mike Love projectile vomit uncontrollably.

      Not in my book -- Brian's a man, blessed with extraordinary God-given talent.


      why bring god into it at all?   Brian is a uniquely talented creator of fine music .  

      Why not? Why is it taboo for someone to bring up their faith, but perfectly okay to discuss one's lack of faith? Not really directing this at you, but I've noticed a huge double standard pretty much everywhere I go online, and I *just* got into a heated argument on Facebook about this very same thing.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 09, 2014, 12:35:11 PM
      After all, the movie is not adressed to hardcore BW/BBs fans.

      While I understand this premise, I argue that if it has any hopes of being a historically accurate document as to the life and career of Brian Wilson then it should be able to be scrutinized by those fans and still come out smelling like a rose.  If it has no intention on being a historically accurate document of Brian's life and career then in my opinion it's bunk and should be regarded as such.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ontor pertawst on September 09, 2014, 12:36:14 PM
      Wait, are there ANY biopics that are historically accurate documents? Of musicians, especially. Can you think of one? I sure can't.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 09, 2014, 12:38:43 PM
      Wait, are there ANY biopics that are historically accurate documents? Of musicians, especially. Can you think of one? I sure can't.

      Which is why as I've indicated by and large I don't like them.  This one actually seems as well done as one could be though in terms of the actors they chose and the story they are going to tell.  My best hopes for it though is it both raises Brian's profile as well as brings attention to the issue of mental illness on a wider scale. 


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 09, 2014, 12:41:17 PM
      Wait, are there ANY biopics that are historically accurate documents? Of musicians, especially. Can you think of one? I sure can't.

      Which is why as I've indicated by and large I don't like them. 

      Well, in this case, then we don't quite agree. I don't tend to like biopics either but for the opposite reason: that they present themselves as historically accurate documents or objective accounts without acknowledging that such a thing is impossible. This is why I'm Not There works so well as a biopic, because it demonstrates the very impossibility of an objective account.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 09, 2014, 12:43:36 PM
      The demands of storytelling within the context of a 2 hour movie are far more jealous than, say, a 6 hour documentary series (like The Beatles Anthology, for instance). So audience expectations need to be realistic.

      If you have Carl and Audree get involved in the conservatorship lawsuit, the characters have to be invested into the story earlier in the movie which means added scenes, added dialog, which inflates everything.

      That is why you have so many biopics which end up so bloated and come off more as a checklist of events, rather than a compelling narrative. You have to know where and what to trim in order to maintain that narrative. Sometimes that means consolidating characters into one person or trimming a person completely out when they don't really add anything to the central story.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: urbanite on September 09, 2014, 12:43:48 PM
      If you want to do big box office, which every producer seeks, you focus on the compelling stuff and shed the boring, and create things (that never happened.)  


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mr. Cohen on September 09, 2014, 12:54:39 PM
      It's time for someone to finance my script, A Love Story. It starts with Mike Love coaching Van Dyke on his accordion part in "Kokomo". "Van, it makes a difference if you're sitting this way or that way. OK?" After the session, a smug Van Dyke asks Mike if he ever figured out the "crow cries" lyrics. "I don't know Van, I think you ate the crow!" Mike agrees to pay for Van Dyke's airfare, but gives him an old business card with a disconnected phone # on purpose. "Call me and I'll take care of it."

      After, we're treated to a concert. As we got through the setlist with Mike, there are repeated extended flashbacks of times Mike gave Brian hooks to the songs he's about to perform live, but then never received credit. The concert ends with "Kokomo". It's #1. The movie ends with Mike successfully suing Brian for songwriting credits. "I guess this means we can be friends again."


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Peter Reum on September 09, 2014, 03:15:04 PM
      It is a movie folks.  The truth is reserved to those of us who lived it. This movie is to truth what  Al Jolson is to being a soul brother.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 09, 2014, 03:35:22 PM


      In response to AGD's post earlier

      Andrew;

      Your dates are correct with regard to the filing of the lawsuit initiated by Carl, Audree, Wendy and Carnie. And yes, Melinda was officially cut off, by Landy, from Brian , starting 1989 , until they got together in 1993. What nobody could possibly know (actually maybe three or four people know) is what was going on “off radar”, or behind the scenes at that time; I was “in the mix” during that period and I remember it all too vividly. I have never said a word about it, but it is time I did.

      First of all, it is abject fiction that she never saw Brian after being banned by Landy in 1989. Melinda had her own house in Malibu, which was three miles from the dump that Landy had Brian living in; and it was a dump. Brian had to jog six miles daily; the Landy goons were at specific checkpoints all the time; hell, they weren’t running.  He and Melinda saw each other constantly, on the sly. Brian would sneak to a phone booth and call her, and they would meet; albeit briefly; topic was always a progress report on getting him out of there, and of course, encouragement for Brian in such a sick , twisted situation. Remember; he was forbidden by this sicko to contact his family; so the two of them devised a system that worked.

      Melinda (then) Ledbetter, met Brian in 1986 ; dated him until Landy found out in 1989 that ,not only was their relationship very serious, but also she was on to him and the bullshit he was doing to Brian; and had been on to him for some time. She was quickly and effectively blocked from all contact with Brian ,or so he thought, as shown above. During that time, both prior to being doused by Landy and after, she tried several times, unsuccessfully, to get the family involved in ousting this bastard. I remember that she got Audree’s cell number off her carphone bill, when Brian tried, unsuccessfully , to try and contact her; I also remember that Audree thought that Mike Love had put her up to calling ! By then it was pretty apparent that eliminating Landy would be a daunting task, as it was difficult to figure out who to trust, and who would weasel her out to Landy. Finally, she contacted the Attorney General, State of California, who told her what she already knew; that she needed to get Brian’s family onboard; without family involvement and consent, nothing could happen, and to that end, gave her Carl’s attorney’s information, Ross Schwartz and Jody Leslie.

      Anyway, Melinda then had a few preliminary meetings, I believe, with Ross Schwartz, but soon found that Jody Leslie was “all ears” and was committed to help. It was Jody Leslie who finally convinced the family they needed to step in, after Melinda hand delivered Brian’s will to her, which had been given to Melinda by Andy Dean, one of Brian’s ‘bodyguards”, who developed a conscience after his girlfriend pushed him to help Melinda. This will had been dramatically altered by Landy, whereas he and his girlfriend/wife, Alexandra Morgan, became beneficiaries of 80% of Brian’s estate; Carnie and Wendy were left with 10% each; prior to that, the bulk of the estate went to Carnie and Wendy , with I believe , a smaller portion left to Carl. It was then that the family started the ball rolling with the conservatorship filing; additionally Carl was determined not to let Stan Love take custody of Brian.  This all started in 1989; even though blocked by Landy from seeing Brian, Melinda was relentless is trying to get him the hell out of there. She was asked by Jody Leslie to set up Landy getting served the conservancy papers at the Cadillac dealership; she was so scared of Landy by that time that when he arrived, she was in her office , doors locked , hiding under the desk, afraid of Landy’s erratic behavior. I know that there was a time, just before she was cut off from Brian, that she was secretly taping the mandatory Landy meetings, just in case something happened to her ; it was scary stuff.  I had to go through that bastard twice to see Brian ; I live in New York but Los Angeles was too close for me with Landy; he was that crazy ; I don’t know how she dealt with him , but to her eternal credit she did.
      Anyone who loves Brian’s music owes, at minimum, a “thank you” to Melinda Wilson; without her perseverance in exposing Landy and getting the family involved, Brian would be long gone. Think about it; Landy was pumping him full up with all those meds and making him run six miles a day all jacked up ; it was only a matter of time before his heart gave out, or had a stroke.

      Her role in getting Brian away from Landy should not and cannot be denigrated or minimized. The vitriol for Melinda Wilson by some on this board is uncalled for, usually over the top and misguided; personally I don’t get it, but from now on when it happens, I, for one, will have her back , armed with the facts.

      Finally; I was reading in a few posts wondering what Brian’s reaction to the film was.  Here you go:  “I really liked the movie because the real life was so much worse”.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: puni puni on September 09, 2014, 03:52:42 PM
      Thanks, Ray.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 09, 2014, 03:53:36 PM
      Ray tells it as it is. :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: HeyJude on September 09, 2014, 04:01:27 PM


      In response to AGD's post earlier

      Andrew;

      Your dates are correct with regard to the filing of the lawsuit initiated by Carl, Audree, Wendy and Carnie. And yes, Melinda was officially cut off, by Landy, from Brian , starting 1989 , until they got together in 1993. What nobody could possibly know (actually maybe three or four people know) is what was going on “off radar”, or behind the scenes at that time; I was “in the mix” during that period and I remember it all too vividly. I have never said a word about it, but it is time I did.

      First of all, it is abject fiction that she never saw Brian after being banned by Landy in 1989. Melinda had her own house in Malibu, which was three miles from the dump that Landy had Brian living in; and it was a dump. Brian had to jog six miles daily; the Landy goons were at specific checkpoints all the time; hell, they weren’t running.  He and Melinda saw each other constantly, on the sly. Brian would sneak to a phone booth and call her, and they would meet; albeit briefly; topic was always a progress report on getting him out of there, and of course, encouragement for Brian in such a sick , twisted situation. Remember; he was forbidden by this sicko to contact his family; so the two of them devised a system that worked.

      Melinda (then) Ledbetter, met Brian in 1986 ; dated him until Landy found out in 1989 that ,not only was their relationship very serious, but also she was on to him and the bullshit he was doing to Brian; and had been on to him for some time. She was quickly and effectively blocked from all contact with Brian ,or so he thought, as shown above. During that time, both prior to being doused by Landy and after, she tried several times, unsuccessfully, to get the family involved in ousting this bastard. I remember that she got Audree’s cell number off her carphone bill, when Brian tried, unsuccessfully , to try and contact her; I also remember that Audree thought that Mike Love had put her up to calling ! By then it was pretty apparent that eliminating Landy would be a daunting task, as it was difficult to figure out who to trust, and who would weasel her out to Landy. Finally, she contacted the Attorney General, State of California, who told her what she already knew; that she needed to get Brian’s family onboard; without family involvement and consent, nothing could happen, and to that end, gave her Carl’s attorney’s information, Ross Schwartz and Jody Leslie.

      Anyway, Melinda then had a few preliminary meetings, I believe, with Ross Schwartz, but soon found that Jody Leslie was “all ears” and was committed to help. It was Jody Leslie who finally convinced the family they needed to step in, after Melinda hand delivered Brian’s will to her, which had been given to Melinda by Andy Dean, one of Brian’s ‘bodyguards”, who developed a conscience after his girlfriend pushed him to help Melinda. This will had been dramatically altered by Landy, whereas he and his girlfriend/wife, Alexandra Morgan, became beneficiaries of 80% of Brian’s estate; Carnie and Wendy were left with 10% each; prior to that, the bulk of the estate went to Carnie and Wendy , with I believe , a smaller portion left to Carl. It was then that the family started the ball rolling with the conservatorship filing; additionally Carl was determined not to let Stan Love take custody of Brian.  This all started in 1989; even though blocked by Landy from seeing Brian, Melinda was relentless is trying to get him the hell out of there. She was asked by Jody Leslie to set up Landy getting served the conservancy papers at the Cadillac dealership; she was so scared of Landy by that time that when he arrived, she was in her office , doors locked , hiding under the desk, afraid of Landy’s erratic behavior. I know that there was a time, just before she was cut off from Brian, that she was secretly taping the mandatory Landy meetings, just in case something happened to her ; it was scary stuff.  I had to go through that bastard twice to see Brian ; I live in New York but Los Angeles was too close for me with Landy; he was that crazy ; I don’t know how she dealt with him , but to her eternal credit she did.
      Anyone who loves Brian’s music owes, at minimum, a “thank you” to Melinda Wilson; without her perseverance in exposing Landy and getting the family involved, Brian would be long gone. Think about it; Landy was pumping him full up with all those meds and making him run six miles a day all jacked up ; it was only a matter of time before his heart gave out, or had a stroke.

      Her role in getting Brian away from Landy should not and cannot be denigrated or minimized. The vitriol for Melinda Wilson by some on this board is uncalled for, usually over the top and misguided; personally I don’t get it, but from now on when it happens, I, for one, will have her back , armed with the facts.

      Finally; I was reading in a few posts wondering what Brian’s reaction to the film was.  Here you go:  “I really liked the movie because the real life was so much worse”.


      Great thanks for sharing this. This stuff needs to be recorded in a book, documentary film, etc., with everybody saying their piece.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Emdeeh on September 09, 2014, 04:03:43 PM
      Thank you, Ray.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Bud Shaver on September 09, 2014, 04:12:09 PM
      And BOOM goes the truth.... Thanks Ray!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: halblaineisgood on September 09, 2014, 04:16:11 PM
      “I really liked the movie because the real life was so much worse”.

      I love Brian.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: zatch on September 09, 2014, 04:20:18 PM


      In response to AGD's post earlier

      Andrew;

      Your dates are correct with regard to the filing of the lawsuit initiated by Carl, Audree, Wendy and Carnie. And yes, Melinda was officially cut off, by Landy, from Brian , starting 1989 , until they got together in 1993. What nobody could possibly know (actually maybe three or four people know) is what was going on “off radar”, or behind the scenes at that time; I was “in the mix” during that period and I remember it all too vividly. I have never said a word about it, but it is time I did.

      First of all, it is abject fiction that she never saw Brian after being banned by Landy in 1989. Melinda had her own house in Malibu, which was three miles from the dump that Landy had Brian living in; and it was a dump. Brian had to jog six miles daily; the Landy goons were at specific checkpoints all the time; hell, they weren’t running.  He and Melinda saw each other constantly, on the sly. Brian would sneak to a phone booth and call her, and they would meet; albeit briefly; topic was always a progress report on getting him out of there, and of course, encouragement for Brian in such a sick , twisted situation. Remember; he was forbidden by this sicko to contact his family; so the two of them devised a system that worked.

      Melinda (then) Ledbetter, met Brian in 1986 ; dated him until Landy found out in 1989 that ,not only was their relationship very serious, but also she was on to him and the bullshit he was doing to Brian; and had been on to him for some time. She was quickly and effectively blocked from all contact with Brian ,or so he thought, as shown above. During that time, both prior to being doused by Landy and after, she tried several times, unsuccessfully, to get the family involved in ousting this bastard. I remember that she got Audree’s cell number off her carphone bill, when Brian tried, unsuccessfully , to try and contact her; I also remember that Audree thought that Mike Love had put her up to calling ! By then it was pretty apparent that eliminating Landy would be a daunting task, as it was difficult to figure out who to trust, and who would weasel her out to Landy. Finally, she contacted the Attorney General, State of California, who told her what she already knew; that she needed to get Brian’s family onboard; without family involvement and consent, nothing could happen, and to that end, gave her Carl’s attorney’s information, Ross Schwartz and Jody Leslie.

      Anyway, Melinda then had a few preliminary meetings, I believe, with Ross Schwartz, but soon found that Jody Leslie was “all ears” and was committed to help. It was Jody Leslie who finally convinced the family they needed to step in, after Melinda hand delivered Brian’s will to her, which had been given to Melinda by Andy Dean, one of Brian’s ‘bodyguards”, who developed a conscience after his girlfriend pushed him to help Melinda. This will had been dramatically altered by Landy, whereas he and his girlfriend/wife, Alexandra Morgan, became beneficiaries of 80% of Brian’s estate; Carnie and Wendy were left with 10% each; prior to that, the bulk of the estate went to Carnie and Wendy , with I believe , a smaller portion left to Carl. It was then that the family started the ball rolling with the conservatorship filing; additionally Carl was determined not to let Stan Love take custody of Brian.  This all started in 1989; even though blocked by Landy from seeing Brian, Melinda was relentless is trying to get him the hell out of there. She was asked by Jody Leslie to set up Landy getting served the conservancy papers at the Cadillac dealership; she was so scared of Landy by that time that when he arrived, she was in her office , doors locked , hiding under the desk, afraid of Landy’s erratic behavior. I know that there was a time, just before she was cut off from Brian, that she was secretly taping the mandatory Landy meetings, just in case something happened to her ; it was scary stuff.  I had to go through that bastard twice to see Brian ; I live in New York but Los Angeles was too close for me with Landy; he was that crazy ; I don’t know how she dealt with him , but to her eternal credit she did.
      Anyone who loves Brian’s music owes, at minimum, a “thank you” to Melinda Wilson; without her perseverance in exposing Landy and getting the family involved, Brian would be long gone. Think about it; Landy was pumping him full up with all those meds and making him run six miles a day all jacked up ; it was only a matter of time before his heart gave out, or had a stroke.

      Her role in getting Brian away from Landy should not and cannot be denigrated or minimized. The vitriol for Melinda Wilson by some on this board is uncalled for, usually over the top and misguided; personally I don’t get it, but from now on when it happens, I, for one, will have her back , armed with the facts.

      Finally; I was reading in a few posts wondering what Brian’s reaction to the film was.  Here you go:  “I really liked the movie because the real life was so much worse”.


      Great post, Ray. You should be an honoured guest. :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 09, 2014, 04:30:34 PM
      Thank you Ray for getting the truth out here. As a fan of Brian and the Boys, I am grateful that Melinda has taken very good care of Brian and helped in guiding and looking out for him over the past 20 plus years. She has always been OK in my book.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on September 09, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
      Some of Monday's TIFF Q&A:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BytGj_EoM_c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BytGj_EoM_c)

      YouTube's Flick Chick's review:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF5P80IjoWw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF5P80IjoWw)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 09, 2014, 04:43:41 PM
      “I really liked the movie because the real life was so much worse”.

      I love Brian.
      Yeah, you can't get much more honest than that quote.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 09, 2014, 05:41:32 PM
      Thank you for that, Ray. I generally don't like to speak ill of the dead, but in Landy's case, I hope he brought plenty of sunblock for where he's at now. What a horrible, horrible excuse for a human being. I'm happy that Brian managed to get away from him.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 09, 2014, 05:46:20 PM
      Thank you for that, Ray. I generally don't like to speak ill of the dead, but in Landy's case, I hope he brought plenty of sunblock for where he's at now. What a horrible, horrible excuse for a human being. I'm happy that Brian managed to get away from him.

      Couldnt agree more about Landy....horrible excuse for a human being.  He was diabolically brilliant; he assesed the situation and immediately recognized what he could get away with ( the second time) .  What a charlatan
       


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: mtaber on September 09, 2014, 05:52:33 PM
      Thank you, Ray, for the insight.  It is very much appreciated.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: shadownoze on September 09, 2014, 06:17:53 PM
      I don't post very often, but I want to add my thanks, Ray, for sharing your knowledge with us. The least appealing aspect of the internet, for me at least, is that it brings out the urge in people to proclaim themselves "experts" in matters they have no firsthand experience with. Bless you for setting the story straight.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 09, 2014, 06:38:00 PM
      I don't post very often, but I want to add my thanks, Ray, for sharing your knowledge with us. The least appealing aspect of the internet, for me at least, is that it brings out the urge in people to proclaim themselves "experts" in matters they have no firsthand experience with. Bless you for setting the story straight.

      Youre welcome. I posted it because nobody outside of a few people know what really was the driving factor in getting BW the hell out of there ; I feel she is not treated fairly on so many levels and deserves all the credit in the world in plowing the road out of Landyworld . I read all the articles in the press at the time and I remember thinking " you people have no earthly clue what you are writing about".

      I am looking forward to seeing how it is played in the movie.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: GoofyJeff on September 09, 2014, 06:44:17 PM
      Thank you for that wonderful insight, Ray. God bless.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Steve Mayo on September 09, 2014, 06:45:03 PM
      word is getting out and about...as of this moment "brian wilson" is the  #2 trending search on yahoo....all because of the movie


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 09, 2014, 06:58:14 PM
      Nevermind, I was fooled.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: CenturyDeprived on September 09, 2014, 07:03:02 PM
      So how is Mike portrayed in the film? Anybody who's actually seen it care to respond?

      He was portrayed rather ok in my opinion. He was caring for the band and trying to make Brian focus his work on music that would be succesful with their fan base. Problem is that Van Dyke's character was not elaborated and the Smile period was not explored in depth in terms of what Brian's intentions were. So when Mike dismisses Van Dyke, its actually makes sense.

      Now, on a different note, the rest of the band was shown as having no relevance whatsoever. Not even Carl.

      That's interesting particularly because they would have more room to depict Carl or Dennis in whatever fashion they wanted without fear of lawsuits, as opposed to the living members.

      I'm guessing (without having seen the film) that maybe that since they wanted to preemptively prevent any lawsuits, they decided to equally (more or less) not have much involvement of the other bandmates (living or deceased) to as not call attention to the fact that there's suddenly lots of deep scenes with Carl and Dennis, which would only serve to call attention to the potential lack of scenes with other living members, which could make that targeted avoidance stick out even more.

      Maybe keeping all members at a relatively equal level of not being featured very prominently just helped to diffuse that situation entirely, and doesn't make it seem like they were tiptoeing around any specific living member(s). Makes sense to me, but what do I know.

      Not to mention I'm sure they just wanted to focus on certain aspects of Brian's life which surely was VERY hard to do in a single movie.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 09, 2014, 07:03:54 PM
      word is getting out and about...as of this moment "brian wilson" is the  #2 trending search on yahoo....all because of the movie

      We can all agree that is very cool.

      A new album from Brian and this apparently brilliant movie. A lot to look forward to.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Amy B. on September 09, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
      Thank you, Ray. I remember Melinda talking about this in an interview (maybe it was Larry King?). She said Brian had used her phone to call a family member and that's how she got the family member's number. She subsequently tried to call the family member in an attempt to get help for Brian.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 09, 2014, 07:15:46 PM
      Ray tells it as it is. :)

      Yes he does.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 09, 2014, 07:20:28 PM
      Ray, do you have an inkling as to why Carnie use to call Melinda "Melinda?"  Was it jealousy? Did Carnie think Melinda had too much control? Did Melinda at any point come between Brian and his daughters and/or prevent him from seeing them?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 09, 2014, 07:31:10 PM
      Thank you, Ray. I remember Melinda talking about this in an interview (maybe it was Larry King?). She said Brian had used her phone to call a family member and that's how she got the family member's number. She subsequently tried to call the family member in an attempt to get help for Brian.

      That interview is on youtube

      It's very good

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Gf6rBS49o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Gf6rBS49o)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: halblaineisgood on September 09, 2014, 07:32:05 PM
      Ray, do you have an inkling as to why Carnie use to call Melinda "Melinda?" 


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Cyncie on September 09, 2014, 07:39:46 PM
      Ray, do you have an inkling as to why Carnie use to call Melinda "Melinda?"  

      I assume Mikie is referring to the insulting "Me-landy" nickname that has become all to frequent on this board.

      edit: It would seem this is being auto changed.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 09, 2014, 07:43:14 PM
      Ray, do you have an inkling as to why Carnie use to call Melinda "Melinda?"  Was it jealousy? Did Carnie think Melinda had too much control? Did Melinda at any point come between Brian and his daughters and/or prevent him from seeing them?

      Mikie; I know that Carnie did call her that several years ago : I didnt know why as there never seemed to be any problem that I was aware of; the girls were and are always welcome at their house. My own experience was that Carnie and Melinda get on great. Last year for Brian's birthday they had a nice dinner at a restaurant Brian likes in Beverly Glen...Carnie and Rob were there as well as Danny Hutton and his wife ; Carnie and Melinda were having a great time; I sure didnt see any negativity. Maybe it was a blip on the radar screen back then , or they had a disagreement, but I doubt there was ever anything substantial.  


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 09, 2014, 07:50:33 PM
      Ray, do you have an inkling as to why Carnie use to call Melinda "Melinda?"  

      I assume Mikie is referring to the insulting "Me-landy" nickname that has become all to frequent on this board.

      edit: It would seem this is being auto changed.

      Thanks for the correction, Cyncie.  I shoulda preafrood my question before posting!  :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 09, 2014, 07:52:20 PM
      Ray, do you have an inkling as to why Carnie use to call Melinda "Melinda?"  Was it jealousy? Did Carnie think Melinda had too much control? Did Melinda at any point come between Brian and his daughters and/or prevent him from seeing them?

      Mikie; I know that Carnie did call her that several years ago : I didnt know why as there never seemed to be any problem that I was aware of; the girls were and are always welcome at their house. My own experience was that Carnie and Melinda get on great. Last year for Brian's birthday they had a nice dinner at a restaurant Brian likes in Beverly Glen...Carnie and Rob were there as well as Danny Hutton and his wife ; Carnie and Melinda were having a great time; I sure didnt see any negativity. Maybe it was a blip on the radar screen back then , or they had a disagreement, but I doubt there was ever anything substantial.  

      Good to know.  Thanks, Ray.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Cyncie on September 09, 2014, 07:52:52 PM
      Thank you for that, Ray. I generally don't like to speak ill of the dead, but in Landy's case, I hope he brought plenty of sunblock for where he's at now. What a horrible, horrible excuse for a human being. I'm happy that Brian managed to get away from him.

      Couldnt agree more about Landy....horrible excuse for a human being.  He was diabolically brilliant; he assesed the situation and immediately recognized what he could get away with ( the second time) .  What a charlatan
       

      We like to cast Murry or Capitol records or Mike in the role of villain at various times in Brian's story, but no one can hold a candle to that despicably slimy excuse for a human being.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 09, 2014, 08:38:35 PM


      In response to AGD's post earlier

      Andrew;

      Your dates are correct with regard to the filing of the lawsuit initiated by Carl, Audree, Wendy and Carnie. And yes, Melinda was officially cut off, by Landy, from Brian , starting 1989 , until they got together in 1993. What nobody could possibly know (actually maybe three or four people know) is what was going on “off radar”, or behind the scenes at that time; I was “in the mix” during that period and I remember it all too vividly. I have never said a word about it, but it is time I did.

      First of all, it is abject fiction that she never saw Brian after being banned by Landy in 1989. Melinda had her own house in Malibu, which was three miles from the dump that Landy had Brian living in; and it was a dump. Brian had to jog six miles daily; the Landy goons were at specific checkpoints all the time; hell, they weren’t running.  He and Melinda saw each other constantly, on the sly. Brian would sneak to a phone booth and call her, and they would meet; albeit briefly; topic was always a progress report on getting him out of there, and of course, encouragement for Brian in such a sick , twisted situation. Remember; he was forbidden by this sicko to contact his family; so the two of them devised a system that worked.

      Melinda (then) Ledbetter, met Brian in 1986 ; dated him until Landy found out in 1989 that ,not only was their relationship very serious, but also she was on to him and the bullshit he was doing to Brian; and had been on to him for some time. She was quickly and effectively blocked from all contact with Brian ,or so he thought, as shown above. During that time, both prior to being doused by Landy and after, she tried several times, unsuccessfully, to get the family involved in ousting this bastard. I remember that she got Audree’s cell number off her carphone bill, when Brian tried, unsuccessfully , to try and contact her; I also remember that Audree thought that Mike Love had put her up to calling ! By then it was pretty apparent that eliminating Landy would be a daunting task, as it was difficult to figure out who to trust, and who would weasel her out to Landy. Finally, she contacted the Attorney General, State of California, who told her what she already knew; that she needed to get Brian’s family onboard; without family involvement and consent, nothing could happen, and to that end, gave her Carl’s attorney’s information, Ross Schwartz and Jody Leslie.

      Anyway, Melinda then had a few preliminary meetings, I believe, with Ross Schwartz, but soon found that Jody Leslie was “all ears” and was committed to help. It was Jody Leslie who finally convinced the family they needed to step in, after Melinda hand delivered Brian’s will to her, which had been given to Melinda by Andy Dean, one of Brian’s ‘bodyguards”, who developed a conscience after his girlfriend pushed him to help Melinda. This will had been dramatically altered by Landy, whereas he and his girlfriend/wife, Alexandra Morgan, became beneficiaries of 80% of Brian’s estate; Carnie and Wendy were left with 10% each; prior to that, the bulk of the estate went to Carnie and Wendy , with I believe , a smaller portion left to Carl. It was then that the family started the ball rolling with the conservatorship filing; additionally Carl was determined not to let Stan Love take custody of Brian.  This all started in 1989; even though blocked by Landy from seeing Brian, Melinda was relentless is trying to get him the hell out of there. She was asked by Jody Leslie to set up Landy getting served the conservancy papers at the Cadillac dealership; she was so scared of Landy by that time that when he arrived, she was in her office , doors locked , hiding under the desk, afraid of Landy’s erratic behavior. I know that there was a time, just before she was cut off from Brian, that she was secretly taping the mandatory Landy meetings, just in case something happened to her ; it was scary stuff.  I had to go through that bastard twice to see Brian ; I live in New York but Los Angeles was too close for me with Landy; he was that crazy ; I don’t know how she dealt with him , but to her eternal credit she did.
      Anyone who loves Brian’s music owes, at minimum, a “thank you” to Melinda Wilson; without her perseverance in exposing Landy and getting the family involved, Brian would be long gone. Think about it; Landy was pumping him full up with all those meds and making him run six miles a day all jacked up ; it was only a matter of time before his heart gave out, or had a stroke.

      Her role in getting Brian away from Landy should not and cannot be denigrated or minimized. The vitriol for Melinda Wilson by some on this board is uncalled for, usually over the top and misguided; personally I don’t get it, but from now on when it happens, I, for one, will have her back , armed with the facts.

      Finally; I was reading in a few posts wondering what Brian’s reaction to the film was.  Here you go:  “I really liked the movie because the real life was so much worse”.


      Somehow I hope this story gets told in Brian's book next year. It deserves more than getting lost in this message board. Thanks Ray.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 09, 2014, 09:26:53 PM
      Thank you for that, Ray. I generally don't like to speak ill of the dead, but in Landy's case, I hope he brought plenty of sunblock for where he's at now. What a horrible, horrible excuse for a human being. I'm happy that Brian managed to get away from him.

      Couldnt agree more about Landy....horrible excuse for a human being.  He was diabolically brilliant; he assesed the situation and immediately recognized what he could get away with ( the second time) .  What a charlatan
       

      We like to cast Murry or Capitol records or Mike in the role of villain at various times in Brian's story, but no one can hold a candle to that despicably slimy excuse for a human being.

      Is the general consensus out there that Dr. Landy never truly helped anyone period?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 09, 2014, 11:01:50 PM


      In response to AGD's post earlier

      Andrew;

      Your dates are correct with regard to the filing of the lawsuit initiated by Carl, Audree, Wendy and Carnie. And yes, Melinda was officially cut off, by Landy, from Brian , starting 1989 , until they got together in 1993. What nobody could possibly know (actually maybe three or four people know) is what was going on “off radar”, or behind the scenes at that time; I was “in the mix” during that period and I remember it all too vividly. I have never said a word about it, but it is time I did.

      First of all, it is abject fiction that she never saw Brian after being banned by Landy in 1989. Melinda had her own house in Malibu, which was three miles from the dump that Landy had Brian living in; and it was a dump. Brian had to jog six miles daily; the Landy goons were at specific checkpoints all the time; hell, they weren’t running.  He and Melinda saw each other constantly, on the sly. Brian would sneak to a phone booth and call her, and they would meet; albeit briefly; topic was always a progress report on getting him out of there, and of course, encouragement for Brian in such a sick , twisted situation. Remember; he was forbidden by this sicko to contact his family; so the two of them devised a system that worked.

      Melinda (then) Ledbetter, met Brian in 1986 ; dated him until Landy found out in 1989 that ,not only was their relationship very serious, but also she was on to him and the bullshit he was doing to Brian; and had been on to him for some time. She was quickly and effectively blocked from all contact with Brian ,or so he thought, as shown above. During that time, both prior to being doused by Landy and after, she tried several times, unsuccessfully, to get the family involved in ousting this bastard. I remember that she got Audree’s cell number off her carphone bill, when Brian tried, unsuccessfully , to try and contact her; I also remember that Audree thought that Mike Love had put her up to calling ! By then it was pretty apparent that eliminating Landy would be a daunting task, as it was difficult to figure out who to trust, and who would weasel her out to Landy. Finally, she contacted the Attorney General, State of California, who told her what she already knew; that she needed to get Brian’s family onboard; without family involvement and consent, nothing could happen, and to that end, gave her Carl’s attorney’s information, Ross Schwartz and Jody Leslie.

      Anyway, Melinda then had a few preliminary meetings, I believe, with Ross Schwartz, but soon found that Jody Leslie was “all ears” and was committed to help. It was Jody Leslie who finally convinced the family they needed to step in, after Melinda hand delivered Brian’s will to her, which had been given to Melinda by Andy Dean, one of Brian’s ‘bodyguards”, who developed a conscience after his girlfriend pushed him to help Melinda. This will had been dramatically altered by Landy, whereas he and his girlfriend/wife, Alexandra Morgan, became beneficiaries of 80% of Brian’s estate; Carnie and Wendy were left with 10% each; prior to that, the bulk of the estate went to Carnie and Wendy , with I believe , a smaller portion left to Carl. It was then that the family started the ball rolling with the conservatorship filing; additionally Carl was determined not to let Stan Love take custody of Brian.  This all started in 1989; even though blocked by Landy from seeing Brian, Melinda was relentless is trying to get him the hell out of there. She was asked by Jody Leslie to set up Landy getting served the conservancy papers at the Cadillac dealership; she was so scared of Landy by that time that when he arrived, she was in her office , doors locked , hiding under the desk, afraid of Landy’s erratic behavior. I know that there was a time, just before she was cut off from Brian, that she was secretly taping the mandatory Landy meetings, just in case something happened to her ; it was scary stuff.  I had to go through that bastard twice to see Brian ; I live in New York but Los Angeles was too close for me with Landy; he was that crazy ; I don’t know how she dealt with him , but to her eternal credit she did.
      Anyone who loves Brian’s music owes, at minimum, a “thank you” to Melinda Wilson; without her perseverance in exposing Landy and getting the family involved, Brian would be long gone. Think about it; Landy was pumping him full up with all those meds and making him run six miles a day all jacked up ; it was only a matter of time before his heart gave out, or had a stroke.

      Her role in getting Brian away from Landy should not and cannot be denigrated or minimized. The vitriol for Melinda Wilson by some on this board is uncalled for, usually over the top and misguided; personally I don’t get it, but from now on when it happens, I, for one, will have her back , armed with the facts.

      Finally; I was reading in a few posts wondering what Brian’s reaction to the film was.  Here you go:  “I really liked the movie because the real life was so much worse”.


      That's the second person who was there who's picked me up on my statement concerning Melinda not being either in touch or part of the process, and I'm equally grateful to both for setting me, us and much more importantly, the historical record, straight. When the sources and info are this credible, I have no problem whatsoever with being told to STFU, in private or in public.  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 09, 2014, 11:14:33 PM
      Thank you for that, Ray. I generally don't like to speak ill of the dead, but in Landy's case, I hope he brought plenty of sunblock for where he's at now. What a horrible, horrible excuse for a human being. I'm happy that Brian managed to get away from him.

      Couldnt agree more about Landy....horrible excuse for a human being.  He was diabolically brilliant; he assesed the situation and immediately recognized what he could get away with ( the second time) .  What a charlatan
       



      We like to cast Murry or Capitol records or Mike in the role of villain at various times in Brian's story, but no one can hold a candle to that despicably slimy excuse for a human being.

      Is the general consensus out there that Dr. Landy never truly helped anyone period?

      Himself. That's it.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: jcm on September 09, 2014, 11:47:32 PM
      Is Brian close to Carnie and Wendy now?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: stack-o-tracks on September 10, 2014, 01:43:22 AM
      Is Brian close to Carnie and Wendy now?

      It's really none of our business, is it?

      Of course their relationship is better now than it was when he was abusing drugs and didn't have his mental illness in check.

      But are they close? That's subjective and there's no answer that any of us are going to get unless it comes directly from Brian, Carnie, or Wendy's mouth, and  I don't think any of them post here.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Lowbacca on September 10, 2014, 01:49:27 AM
      Is Brian close to Carnie and Wendy now?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRQBfdbyjuA


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: stack-o-tracks on September 10, 2014, 01:54:40 AM
      Is Brian close to Carnie and Wendy now?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRQBfdbyjuA

      Oh, he meant physically?


      Then the answer is yes, sometimes but not all the time.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 10, 2014, 04:26:22 AM
      Thank you for that, Ray. I generally don't like to speak ill of the dead, but in Landy's case, I hope he brought plenty of sunblock for where he's at now. What a horrible, horrible excuse for a human being. I'm happy that Brian managed to get away from him.

      Couldnt agree more about Landy....horrible excuse for a human being.  He was diabolically brilliant; he assesed the situation and immediately recognized what he could get away with ( the second time) .  What a charlatan
       



      We like to cast Murry or Capitol records or Mike in the role of villain at various times in Brian's story, but no one can hold a candle to that despicably slimy excuse for a human being.

      Is the general consensus out there that Dr. Landy never truly helped anyone period?

      Himself. That's it.

      This !   



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 10, 2014, 05:02:33 AM


      In response to AGD's post earlier

      Andrew;

      Your dates are correct with regard to the filing of the lawsuit initiated by Carl, Audree, Wendy and Carnie. And yes, Melinda was officially cut off, by Landy, from Brian , starting 1989 , until they got together in 1993. What nobody could possibly know (actually maybe three or four people know) is what was going on “off radar”, or behind the scenes at that time; I was “in the mix” during that period and I remember it all too vividly. I have never said a word about it, but it is time I did.

      First of all, it is abject fiction that she never saw Brian after being banned by Landy in 1989. Melinda had her own house in Malibu, which was three miles from the dump that Landy had Brian living in; and it was a dump. Brian had to jog six miles daily; the Landy goons were at specific checkpoints all the time; hell, they weren’t running.  He and Melinda saw each other constantly, on the sly. Brian would sneak to a phone booth and call her, and they would meet; albeit briefly; topic was always a progress report on getting him out of there, and of course, encouragement for Brian in such a sick , twisted situation. Remember; he was forbidden by this sicko to contact his family; so the two of them devised a system that worked.

      Melinda (then) Ledbetter, met Brian in 1986 ; dated him until Landy found out in 1989 that ,not only was their relationship very serious, but also she was on to him and the bullshit he was doing to Brian; and had been on to him for some time. She was quickly and effectively blocked from all contact with Brian ,or so he thought, as shown above. During that time, both prior to being doused by Landy and after, she tried several times, unsuccessfully, to get the family involved in ousting this bastard. I remember that she got Audree’s cell number off her carphone bill, when Brian tried, unsuccessfully , to try and contact her; I also remember that Audree thought that Mike Love had put her up to calling ! By then it was pretty apparent that eliminating Landy would be a daunting task, as it was difficult to figure out who to trust, and who would weasel her out to Landy. Finally, she contacted the Attorney General, State of California, who told her what she already knew; that she needed to get Brian’s family onboard; without family involvement and consent, nothing could happen, and to that end, gave her Carl’s attorney’s information, Ross Schwartz and Jody Leslie.

      Anyway, Melinda then had a few preliminary meetings, I believe, with Ross Schwartz, but soon found that Jody Leslie was “all ears” and was committed to help. It was Jody Leslie who finally convinced the family they needed to step in, after Melinda hand delivered Brian’s will to her, which had been given to Melinda by Andy Dean, one of Brian’s ‘bodyguards”, who developed a conscience after his girlfriend pushed him to help Melinda. This will had been dramatically altered by Landy, whereas he and his girlfriend/wife, Alexandra Morgan, became beneficiaries of 80% of Brian’s estate; Carnie and Wendy were left with 10% each; prior to that, the bulk of the estate went to Carnie and Wendy , with I believe , a smaller portion left to Carl. It was then that the family started the ball rolling with the conservatorship filing; additionally Carl was determined not to let Stan Love take custody of Brian.  This all started in 1989; even though blocked by Landy from seeing Brian, Melinda was relentless is trying to get him the hell out of there. She was asked by Jody Leslie to set up Landy getting served the conservancy papers at the Cadillac dealership; she was so scared of Landy by that time that when he arrived, she was in her office , doors locked , hiding under the desk, afraid of Landy’s erratic behavior. I know that there was a time, just before she was cut off from Brian, that she was secretly taping the mandatory Landy meetings, just in case something happened to her ; it was scary stuff.  I had to go through that bastard twice to see Brian ; I live in New York but Los Angeles was too close for me with Landy; he was that crazy ; I don’t know how she dealt with him , but to her eternal credit she did.
      Anyone who loves Brian’s music owes, at minimum, a “thank you” to Melinda Wilson; without her perseverance in exposing Landy and getting the family involved, Brian would be long gone. Think about it; Landy was pumping him full up with all those meds and making him run six miles a day all jacked up ; it was only a matter of time before his heart gave out, or had a stroke.

      Her role in getting Brian away from Landy should not and cannot be denigrated or minimized. The vitriol for Melinda Wilson by some on this board is uncalled for, usually over the top and misguided; personally I don’t get it, but from now on when it happens, I, for one, will have her back , armed with the facts.

      Finally; I was reading in a few posts wondering what Brian’s reaction to the film was.  Here you go:  “I really liked the movie because the real life was so much worse”.


      That's the second person who was there who's picked me up on my statement concerning Melinda not being either in touch or part of the process, and I'm equally grateful to both for setting me, us and much more importantly, the historical record, straight. When the sources and info are this credible, I have no problem whatsoever with being told to STFU, in private or in public.  ;D

      One of the other ,unfortunately less known historical facts about "Dr." Landy is that one of his patients, Scott Newman , commited suicide either while under Landy's program or just after it. I am fairly certain about that. Scott's father was Paul Newman.  As you stated in your other post, Landy helped himself , that is it. I used to say that Landy saved Brian's life, but I no longer feel that way. At the end of the day , he got Brian to lose weight; twice.

      In 1976 I went to see Brian at the bellagio house; when he came to the door he said that he couldnt hang out at all unless it was cleared by his doctor, and gave me Landy's number. So I had to go get interviewed by this guy ; what a bizarre experience.  All Landy wanted to know was what drugs I was doing (none) , how many women I had slept with (not nearly enough ) and why I wanted to record with Brian Wilson (I didnt).  He wanted to know how I got from NY to LA (Pan Am) and finally wanted to know would I be giving Brian any alcohol.  I felt like I was talking to a Warden on speed. So Landy said "you have my blessing, go on back to the house, I will tell Brian you are approved". So as I am walking out of this charlatan's office, I literally walk straight into his next patient, or rather victim, who at that time was literally the most famous actress in the world. I remember thinking to myself " she is seeing this quack ?? Holy s..t"   You cant make this stuff up


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: mtaber on September 10, 2014, 05:22:59 AM
      Tatum O'Neal right?  LOL...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: CM Punky Brewster on September 10, 2014, 07:44:43 AM
      Ray, thank you so much for all of your contributions to this board. It is, genuinely, a breath of fresh air.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on September 10, 2014, 07:59:39 AM
      I posted one time on this Board to defend Brian when someone accused him of “seeing me” when I was under-aged, which was untrue.  I have not chosen to post since for two reasons.  One was privacy for me, my family and friends.  The other reason was that I was made aware recently of a few supposed “fans” saying the most demeaning things about Brian, someone they supposedly loved and admired, on this Board.  So, I have to question their true motivation…this Board appeared dangerous. 

      Then they attacked who I can only assume were Melinda, Jean Sievers and Brian’s attorney with the idiotic term “handlers.”  But with Ray’s recent courageous post, I felt I should speak up as well, once again.  It’s time, as clearly some of you do truly appreciate Brian and those who love him.  Whoever those other posters are, well “have at it” but I likely won’t respond.

      First of all, I have seen some people imply that Brian has “lost it” and that others have been writing his music, here and elsewhere.  I was there during what some, possibly even Brian, would call his worst period aside from the Landy days.  He NEVER lost that magical ability to create heart-stopping beauty at inspired times.  He would go to the piano and I was literally frozen-in-place by what I heard.  The man has a gift I don’t even begin to grasp that takes us to the sublime, and I am thankful for this everyday.  Brian’s band is superb and supportive, but I find Brian’s work unmistakable and the man is working.

      I also feel I must address this drug-addled Brian some of you seem to think existed or exists today.  I didn’t know Brian until 1969, but drugs that weren’t prescribed to him only appeared once in my experiences with him over many years.  Granted, he was protective of me, but still, this was clearly NOT a drug-crazed man.  Some of the prescribed drugs he was on were brutal, but those days are long, long over.  He has great doctors now.  Something Melinda deserves massive credit for accomplishing.

      Describing Brian as “out of it” couldn’t be further from the truth.  The exact opposite is his blessing and his curse.  The man doesn’t miss anything, no matter how subtle, going on around him.  That’s how he’s touched all of us so deeply, to the point that scientists and doctors in fact reported on NPR and in various films of his music’s actual healing effects.

      Imagine that level of sensitivity, the brave vulnerability and the spirit of generosity that it takes for him to be in this world, courageously performing in front of large crowds while also putting his heart and soul on the line again and again with his music, knowing what that can “bring down on him.”  Melinda has said it and I will say it as well, “Brian is the most courageous person I know.”

      Brian gives us love, beauty and immense “mercy” every day.  Just being able to work under those conditions doesn’t require “handlers,” it requires a strong line of defense against the jealous, the greedy and the just plain mean-of-spirit, needy people who arise around a bright light such as Brian.  With people like Melinda and Ray he has that now.  (And heaven knows, he needs his great attorney. I will leave it at that!)

      I want to offer my deepest love and gratitude to all of them – all brave, good people who deserve respect, and - from what I can gather though I haven’t seen it - they also deserve the extraordinary “Love & Mercy” film by Pohlad, Moverman and that amazing cast. 

      People often ask me if I’m shocked that Brian is the “last Wilson standing.”  Not at all, I always knew his strength in spite of the unimaginable.  The man lived a frikkin’ resurrection story through “Smile” for all of us.  You’d think that would have evoked a bit of lasting praise.  He may not “point at you in the audience” for some sort of thrill (I would guess) when he performs.  Sorry, it’s not what the man does.  He’s not about little ego strokes, for himself or anyone else.  In the end they are pretty useless anyway, at least in my experience. 

      Maybe just a genuine thanks to Brian for sticking with us all these years would be appropriate at this point - and for his amazing willingness to continue to work, bringing us profound joy.  Brian and Melinda know that I love and respect them.  That feels really good - the ultimate fulfillment for me after all these years.  It’s up to you if you’d like to join me or not.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 10, 2014, 08:03:04 AM
      Thank you for that...very well said!

      -Billy


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 10, 2014, 08:55:28 AM
      That was a fantastic post, thanks for that


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: J.G. Dev on September 10, 2014, 09:02:46 AM
      Hot damn! This is some thread


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: SMiLE-Holland on September 10, 2014, 09:07:32 AM
      Thank you very much for post mrs. Keil. Much appreciated giving your opinion here !


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mendota Heights on September 10, 2014, 09:15:45 AM
      Thanks Debbie for sharing this information.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 10, 2014, 09:35:06 AM
      Great post Debbie, hope you stay and shed light on your friendship with BW.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on September 10, 2014, 09:43:45 AM
      I posted one time on this Board to defend Brian when someone accused him of “seeing me” when I was under-aged, which was untrue.  I have not chosen to post since for two reasons.  One was privacy for me, my family and friends.  The other reason was that I was made aware recently of a few supposed “fans” saying the most demeaning things about Brian, someone they supposedly loved and admired, on this Board.  So, I have to question their true motivation…this Board appeared dangerous. 

      Then they attacked who I can only assume were Melinda, Jean Sievers and Brian’s attorney with the idiotic term “handlers.”  But with Ray’s recent courageous post, I felt I should speak up as well, once again.  It’s time, as clearly some of you do truly appreciate Brian and those who love him.  Whoever those other posters are, well “have at it” but I likely won’t respond.

      First of all, I have seen some people imply that Brian has “lost it” and that others have been writing his music, here and elsewhere.  I was there during what some, possibly even Brian, would call his worst period aside from the Landy days.  He NEVER lost that magical ability to create heart-stopping beauty at inspired times.  He would go to the piano and I was literally frozen-in-place by what I heard.  The man has a gift I don’t even begin to grasp that takes us to the sublime, and I am thankful for this everyday.  Brian’s band is superb and supportive, but I find Brian’s work unmistakable and the man is working.

      I also feel I must address this drug-addled Brian some of you seem to think existed or exists today.  I didn’t know Brian until 1969, but drugs that weren’t prescribed to him only appeared once in my experiences with him over many years.  Granted, he was protective of me, but still, this was clearly NOT a drug-crazed man.  Some of the prescribed drugs he was on were brutal, but those days are long, long over.  He has great doctors now.  Something Melinda deserves massive credit for accomplishing.

      Describing Brian as “out of it” couldn’t be further from the truth.  The exact opposite is his blessing and his curse.  The man doesn’t miss anything, no matter how subtle, going on around him.  That’s how he’s touched all of us so deeply, to the point that scientists and doctors in fact reported on NPR and in various films of his music’s actual healing effects.

      Imagine that level of sensitivity, the brave vulnerability and the spirit of generosity that it takes for him to be in this world, courageously performing in front of large crowds while also putting his heart and soul on the line again and again with his music, knowing what that can “bring down on him.”  Melinda has said it and I will say it as well, “Brian is the most courageous person I know.”

      Brian gives us love, beauty and immense “mercy” every day.  Just being able to work under those conditions doesn’t require “handlers,” it requires a strong line of defense against the jealous, the greedy and the just plain mean-of-spirit, needy people who arise around a bright light such as Brian.  With people like Melinda and Ray he has that now.  (And heaven knows, he needs his great attorney. I will leave it at that!)

      I want to offer my deepest love and gratitude to all of them – all brave, good people who deserve respect, and - from what I can gather though I haven’t seen it - they also deserve the extraordinary “Love & Mercy” film by Pohlad, Moverman and that amazing cast. 

      People often ask me if I’m shocked that Brian is the “last Wilson standing.”  Not at all, I always knew his strength in spite of the unimaginable.  The man lived a frikkin’ resurrection story through “Smile” for all of us.  You’d think that would have evoked a bit of lasting praise.  He may not “point at you in the audience” for some sort of thrill (I would guess) when he performs.  Sorry, it’s not what the man does.  He’s not about little ego strokes, for himself or anyone else.  In the end they are pretty useless anyway, at least in my experience. 

      Maybe just a genuine thanks to Brian for sticking with us all these years would be appropriate at this point - and for his amazing willingness to continue to work, bringing us profound joy.  Brian and Melinda know that I love and respect them.  That feels really good - the ultimate fulfillment for me after all these years.  It’s up to you if you’d like to join me or not.


      Debbie, the fact that Brian doesn't do the eternally embarrassing 'pointing at someone you're pretending to recognize in the audience' routine is just another in the long list of reasons why I love the man. Thanks for a lovely, uplifting post.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ang Jones on September 10, 2014, 09:59:39 AM
      Wonderful posts from Debbie and Ray! My compliments.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on September 10, 2014, 10:22:14 AM
      Well, I re-read the thing I wrote and saw how preachy I got at the end, so thanks for being forgiving about that.  I also hope Ray forgives me for calling him "courageous."  He HATES that kind of stuff!  I had just grown so tired of some of the nastiness, and I see that most of you are appreciative of Brian and his work.  Also, I caught some of the stuff where people were telling Brian how he should be doing this record he's about to release. Seriously?  While it's totally not Brian's style, I did have fantasies about him saying, "HEY, you talkin' to ME!?"   One other thing I WILL say about my insights into Brian was that he never needed my help or opinion in making a record!  Geez...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 10, 2014, 10:38:06 AM
      Well, I re-read the thing I wrote and saw how preachy I got at the end, so thanks for being forgiving about that.  I also hope Ray forgives me for calling him "courageous."  He HATES that kind of stuff!  I had just grown so tired of some of the nastiness, and I see that most of you are appreciative.  Also, I caught some of the stuff where people were telling Brian how he should be doing this record he's about to release. Seriously?  While it's totally not Brian's style, I did have fantasies about him saying, "HEY, you talkin' to ME!?"   One other thing I WILL say about my insights into Brian was that he never needed my help or opinion in making a record!  Geez...

      Great to have you on board! I have been tired of the nastiness, the petty criticisms, the suggestions that Brian is or isn't this or that, and it reached the boiling point for me as a fan in the past year...and my complaint is and always has been that much of those issues come from something other than the truth, or the facts of the matter in general.

      So it is great to have those who know the truth, who have in those cases been there and can confirm the facts, join in the discussion.

      What I raised in another thread or maybe even multiple threads is my wondering what is the motivation behind continuously spreading things that aren't true and using terms and nicknames to ridicule or dismiss. I'll call it out too: The use of the term "handlers" as a derisive term is ridiculous at this point in light of what has been reported by those who actually know.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: CenturyDeprived on September 10, 2014, 10:40:26 AM

      By then it was pretty apparent that eliminating Landy would be a daunting task, as it was difficult to figure out who to trust, and who would weasel her out to Landy. Finally, she contacted the Attorney General, State of California, who told her what she already knew; that she needed to get Brian’s family onboard; without family involvement and consent, nothing could happen, and to that end, gave her Carl’s attorney’s information, Ross Schwartz and Jody Leslie.  


      A bizarre coincidence that it was Ross Schwartz who was working to get Landy detached from Brian; it was less than a decade earlier (I think) that Ross's dad Sherwood Schwartz (Gilligan's Island/Brady Bunch producer/creator) was the one who helped get Maureen McCormick (Marcia Brady) INTO the care of Dr. Landy (that didn't last long, as Maureen McCormick quickly figured out what a creep Landy was, and stopped seeing him).

      Seems like the Schwartzes and the Wilsons had this in common: actively getting a relative (or close friend) into Landy's care, and then banding together to help get Landy out of the picture.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on September 10, 2014, 10:46:51 AM
      Looks like Lionsgate will be releasing L&M here in the U.S. after all. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/toronto-lionsgate-nabs-beach-boys-731840?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=hollywoodreporter_breakingnews&utm_campaign=THR+Breaking+News_now_2014-09-10+10%3A34%3A14_tsiegel

      And yes, thank you for the incredibly insightful posts, Ray Lawlor & Debbie Kiel-Leavitt. Such a riveting life Brian's led. Good to see he's had such great friends along the way.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: the professor on September 10, 2014, 10:48:28 AM
      Fascinating contributions by historical figures, for which, thanks. The Professor's bias is clear: I resist any narratives that, in the current climate, might continue to prevent a BB reunion and next album.  I evaluate the film according to how it will further alienate the boys from each other.  This bias aside, I know a movie has to simplify  and merge historical forces. That Melinda had such a role in helping BW, as Ray recounts, is stunning and something to be thankful for.  My fear was that the movie was focusing on her role in order to tell the world, once and for all, as it were, that the other BB are useless, clueless drones, oblivious to the sun they orbit. The real story, each family emotion and moment of stress, fear, and love cannot be depicted nor chronicled in any art form.  Once lived, it is it only a whisper in Time, I agreee.

      I will see the movie and hope it is artistically satisfying and inspires fear and pity in the Aristotelian sense, however heroic, rather than tragic, it's arc. Real redemption, in 2014, would be the old men known as the Beach Boys singing together. Nothing less than that would ease my particular sorrow at the current divisions.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 10, 2014, 10:55:54 AM
      The Handlers (carried over from Landy times) term is used because Brian makes no bones about putting his people out front when making business decisions. Whereas, the Beach Boys seemed to keep all that in the background. At any point in there career, either Dennis, Carl or Mike took the lead in interviews and the such regarding decisions made by the band with their management.

      Even during C50 Mike seemed to make it pretty clear that Brian was not willing to talk business without his management stepping in. Really, it is all perception from the eyes around Brian that we come away thinking that he always has to have someone running interference for him. I assume that is true, but mostly just from the business side.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 10, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
      I'd just like to chime in and suggest there are and were issues more important on a much deeper level than a Beach Boys reunion or than the Beach Boys in general. They are and were a band that does not supercede the lives of the individuals who were in that band. The fact that the surviving members not only survived (in some cases against all odds) but continue to be active in performing and recording music in 2014 is something to be celebrated and something as fans to be grateful for. Would a reunion be nice? Sure. If it doesn't happen, look at what we as fans have to celebrate and enjoy.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 10, 2014, 11:06:10 AM
      I'd just like to chime in and suggest there are and were issues more important on a much deeper level than a Beach Boys reunion or than the Beach Boys in general. They are and were a band that does not supercede the lives of the individuals who were in that band. The fact that the surviving members not only survived (in some cases against all odds) but continue to be active in performing and recording music in 2014 is something to be celebrated and something as fans to be grateful for. Would a reunion be nice? Sure. If it doesn't happen, look at what we as fans have to celebrate and enjoy.


      I couldn't agree more.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: the professor on September 10, 2014, 11:17:32 AM
      Importance, so to speak, is relative, depending upon what aesthetic, romantic, or mythic paradigm you invoke. What do we demand of art and of artists? Survival or triumph? Both? And how are each measured? There is no absolute answer here. I respect these posts that are grateful for what we have, but I always recognize a higher register of epic fulfillment, the kind that will be writ indelibly into history.


      I'd just like to chime in and suggest there are and were issues more important on a much deeper level than a Beach Boys reunion or than the Beach Boys in general. They are and were a band that does not supercede the lives of the individuals who were in that band. The fact that the surviving members not only survived (in some cases against all odds) but continue to be active in performing and recording music in 2014 is something to be celebrated and something as fans to be grateful for. Would a reunion be nice? Sure. If it doesn't happen, look at what we as fans have to celebrate and enjoy.


      I couldn't agree more.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 10, 2014, 11:32:09 AM

      By then it was pretty apparent that eliminating Landy would be a daunting task, as it was difficult to figure out who to trust, and who would weasel her out to Landy. Finally, she contacted the Attorney General, State of California, who told her what she already knew; that she needed to get Brian’s family onboard; without family involvement and consent, nothing could happen, and to that end, gave her Carl’s attorney’s information, Ross Schwartz and Jody Leslie. 


      A bizarre coincidence that it was Ross Schwartz who was working to get Landy detached from Brian; it was less than a decade earlier (I think) that Ross's dad Sherwood Schwartz (Gilligan's Island/Brady Bunch producer/creator) was the one who helped get Maureen McCormick (Marcia Brady) INTO the care of Dr. Landy (that didn't last long, as Maureen McCormick quickly figured out what a creep Landy was, and stopped seeing him).

      Seems like the Schwartzes and the Wilsons had this in common: actively getting a relative (or close friend) into Landy's care, and then banding together to help get Landy out of the picture.

      6 degrees of seperation


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on September 10, 2014, 11:36:25 AM
      Brian makes music.  Does he also have to be his own attorney to make some of you happy?  He's not some little nobody.  What we love that Brian produces involves financial and legal issues.  I'm glad he leaves these thing to professionals in those arenas. Let's leave this to the grown-ups, okay?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Joel Goldenberg on September 10, 2014, 11:37:18 AM
      Regarding Ray Lawlor's welcome post a few pages back about Melinda, just have to say that when I met her briefly backstage at Brian's 2005 Montreal concert (at the time of my avatar at left), I could tell she was a really, really kind woman with great love for Brian.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 10, 2014, 11:41:58 AM
      Brian makes music.  Does he also have to be his own attorney to make some of you happy?  He's not some little nobody.  What we love that Brian produces involves financial and legal issues.  I'm glad he leaves these thing to professionals in those arenas. Let's leave this to the grown-ups, okay?
      Now, I am not saying this to be smarta**, but why are you taking offense at something I stated that the other Beach Boys did/do that Brian does not? Are/Were they not composers/musicians/band members too? I was just stating the difference of what we are/were used to with the band versus the way Brian does things. I'm making no judgments here, just stating the differences.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 10, 2014, 11:55:28 AM
      ...Let's leave this to the grown-ups, okay?

      You had me up until this point. Not sure why the condescension is needed to make your point.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ontor pertawst on September 10, 2014, 11:57:10 AM
      You guys seriously wanna pick a fight? Yeesh.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on September 10, 2014, 12:01:58 PM
      My point was that now you are into legal and financial issues and there is no way I'm going there.  They don't belong here and I'm done posting.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 10, 2014, 12:11:05 PM
      Ugh, you guys


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 10, 2014, 12:14:00 PM
      Let's be friends...let's be friends...lets be friiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddssssssssssssssss

      Okay, so it doesn't have the same ring in print that it does when the Boys are singing it, but let's play along!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 10, 2014, 12:16:53 PM
      I hope you aren't referring to my post. I don't feel like I was picking a fight. I just find the phrase "Let's leave this to the grown-ups, okay?" a bit patronizing. It's the Libra in me I guess. I certainly agree with (and appreciate) everything else Debbie Keil-Leavitt posted.  :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on September 10, 2014, 12:20:18 PM


      THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 10, 2014, 12:23:35 PM
      I hope you aren't referring to my post. I don't feel like I was picking a fight. I just find the phrase "Let's leave this to the grown-ups, okay?" a bit patronizing. It's the Libra in me I guess. I certainly agree with (and appreciate) everything else Debbie Keil-Leavitt posted.  :)

      She seemed to come in with the mindset of making a few posts and leaving anyway. 


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: krabklaw on September 10, 2014, 12:24:28 PM
      The Professor's bias is clear: I resist any narratives that, in the current climate, might continue to prevent a BB reunion and next album.  I evaluate the film according to how it will further alienate the boys from each other.

      I disagree. Anything that raises the public profile of the Beach Boys should only help to increase the chances for further projects with BW by way of offering larger deals, guarantees, and potential paydays.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: joe_blow on September 10, 2014, 12:27:17 PM
      Has George Benson ever commented on Landy?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 10, 2014, 12:28:35 PM
      Before this spins too far off course, I want to state something that is a fact and can be proven easily. All entertainers have managers, agents, lawyers, publicists, and booking agents not to mention other professionals working on their behalf.

      This includes Brian, Mike, Al, John Stamos, and whoever else in the Beach Boys realm we want to include.

      The actual artist has final say, but before they agree to play a show, before they book a recording session, before they give an interview with the local newspaper or radio station, these people working for them do what they are paid to do. This includes going over the details, the legalities, the decisions, etc...

      Because ultimately there are legal and contractual issues that go beyond someone saying "Hey, let's play a show on the 15th!". And before that actually happens, there are procedures that have to be followed in order to make things happen.

      Let's not assume one member or another has a different structure within or surrounding anything related to them or the Beach Boys in a business or professional sense without having a management and legal "team" working on their behalf. Because it's pretty much standard for all entertainers to have teams of people that are paid to handle all of the details that need to be handled before an event is scheduled or planned.

      That's pretty much a fact industry-wide whenever money changes hands.

      "Have my people call your people", standard practice.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 10, 2014, 12:38:34 PM
      Sorry, I just tried to explain why some people see it that way. I never agreed with it, still don't, but I can see why some people think that way. As we see here all the time, not everyone looks at things the same way. We all see the same things through different eyes. My post wasn't meant to offend anyone, so my apologies to you, Ms. Keil-Leavitt, as apparently you were.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 10, 2014, 12:40:46 PM
      Another great headline for the movie...

      The Washington Post

      At film festival, Bill Murray makes a splash, but Brian Wilson biopic steals the show


      http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/at-film-festival-bill-murray-makes-a-splash-but-brian-wilson-biopic-steals-the-show/2014/09/10/f1e4a52e-3878-11e4-8601-97ba88884ffd_story.html



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 10, 2014, 12:46:09 PM
      Has George Benson ever commented on Landy?

      George Benson mentions him in his autobiography and has commented in other sources as well. A man named Harry Tepper was in partnership with Landy when Landy was 19 and Benson was 10, and the Tepper/Landy team found Benson in Pittsburgh and wanted to take George to New York to cut a record. At that time Benson only had a cheap acoustic guitar and came from a family of limited means, so getting to see and play "real" instruments was a major thing for a ten year old kid in Pittsburgh, not to mention getting to record.

      He said Landy was a womanizer, a strong personality, a huckster who could sell anything.

      Among Landy's requests for taking on Benson's career at that age was having the family sign Power Of Attorney forms that gave Landy control over all of George's money earned and correspondence, including his mail. In one source Benson said his family didn't trust Landy.

      In another source, it said Benson (or his family, whatever the case) eventually fired Landy for being too controlling.

      Beyond that, I'd check George's autobiography and other sources for more direct quotes. But I think that summary covers it, corrections welcome.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Dudd on September 10, 2014, 12:54:10 PM
      Another great headline for the movie...

      The Washington Post

      At film festival, Bill Murray makes a splash, but Brian Wilson biopic steals the show


      http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/at-film-festival-bill-murray-makes-a-splash-but-brian-wilson-biopic-steals-the-show/2014/09/10/f1e4a52e-3878-11e4-8601-97ba88884ffd_story.html


      Wow - that's huge praise!

      'Among the many smart, sophisticated, deeply moving films that have become TIFF reliables, “Love & Mercy” — which just sold to Lionsgate on Wednesday — was an unexpected, undisputed triumph.'


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 10, 2014, 12:57:33 PM

      First 'not so great' review I've read so far:

      "This is by no means a classic, and I still can’t shake the familiar feeling that you’re better off listening to a run of Beach Boys records and reading up on the history than sitting through 2 hours of biopic slush, but Love & Mercy isn’t a bad film."

      Complete in: http://blog.film4.com/tiff-2014-love-mercy/

      Hopefully I think it's just a blog, not a top critic.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 10, 2014, 01:08:03 PM

      First 'not so great' review I've read so far:

      "This is by no means a classic, and I still can’t shake the familiar feeling that you’re better off listening to a run of Beach Boys records and reading up on the history than sitting through 2 hours of biopic slush, but Love & Mercy isn’t a bad film."

      Complete in: http://blog.film4.com/tiff-2014-love-mercy/

      Hopefully I think it's just a blog, not a top critic.

      Still quite a good review considering.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 10, 2014, 01:19:15 PM

      First 'not so great' review I've read so far:

      "This is by no means a classic, and I still can’t shake the familiar feeling that you’re better off listening to a run of Beach Boys records and reading up on the history than sitting through 2 hours of biopic slush, but Love & Mercy isn’t a bad film."

      Complete in: http://blog.film4.com/tiff-2014-love-mercy/

      Hopefully I think it's just a blog, not a top critic.

      Still quite a good review considering.
      Indeed, and at worst he wants you to go listen to the Beach Boys. We're good either way. ;)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 10, 2014, 01:22:44 PM

      First 'not so great' review I've read so far:

      "This is by no means a classic, and I still can’t shake the familiar feeling that you’re better off listening to a run of Beach Boys records and reading up on the history than sitting through 2 hours of biopic slush, but Love & Mercy isn’t a bad film."

      Complete in: http://blog.film4.com/tiff-2014-love-mercy/

      Hopefully I think it's just a blog, not a top critic.

      Still quite a good review considering.
      Indeed, and at worst he wants you to go listen to the Beach Boys. We're good either way. ;)

       ;D I know, I know, I just wanted to show that even the "worst" review so far isn't a bad one.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: mikeddonn on September 10, 2014, 01:35:53 PM
      Ray and Debbie, thank you for 2 of the best posts I've ever read on this board.  ;D. Please keep sharing your insights with us.  And thanks again to Brian for being a survivor and doing what he's always done, make great music and inspire those around him.

      I also Melinda at a Brian show in 2002 in Glasgow.  She was sitting behind me and kindly allowed me to jump in beside her and have my picture taken with her!  To me, she has always had Brian's best interests at heart and I for one am glad Brian met her.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: joe_blow on September 10, 2014, 01:58:24 PM
      Has George Benson ever commented on Landy?

      George Benson mentions him in his autobiography and has commented in other sources as well. A man named Harry Tepper was in partnership with Landy when Landy was 19 and Benson was 10, and the Tepper/Landy team found Benson in Pittsburgh and wanted to take George to New York to cut a record. At that time Benson only had a cheap acoustic guitar and came from a family of limited means, so getting to see and play "real" instruments was a major thing for a ten year old kid in Pittsburgh, not to mention getting to record.

      He said Landy was a womanizer, a strong personality, a huckster who could sell anything.

      Among Landy's requests for taking on Benson's career at that age was having the family sign Power Of Attorney forms that gave Landy control over all of George's money earned and correspondence, including his mail. In one source Benson said his family didn't trust Landy.

      In another source, it said Benson (or his family, whatever the case) eventually fired Landy for being too controlling.

      Beyond that, I'd check George's autobiography and other sources for more direct quotes. But I think that summary covers it, corrections welcome.
      Thanks for the reply, greatly appreciated!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: CM Punky Brewster on September 10, 2014, 03:51:05 PM


      THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS

      Exactly.

      Someone who actually knows Brian and was a part of their history comes here and shares her perspective gets run off because they don't like what she has to say.

      Stay classy, guys!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mr. Cohen on September 10, 2014, 03:57:39 PM
      (http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa148/Malkmusian/fatbrian.png)
      Can somebody tell me why there's a guy on TV pretending to be the pretend me? First, there's padlocks on the fridge. Now this! How could they?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 10, 2014, 04:07:23 PM


      THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS

      Exactly.

      Someone who actually knows Brian and was a part of their history comes here and shares her perspective gets run off because they don't like what she has to say.

      Stay classy, guys!
      Who didn't like what she had to say? Did I miss something?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 10, 2014, 04:24:18 PM


      THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS

      Exactly.

      Someone who actually knows Brian and was a part of their history comes here and shares her perspective gets run off because they don't like what she has to say.

      Stay classy, guys!
      Who didn't like what she had to say? Did I miss something?

      From my vantage point, you didn't say anything that crossed the line.  Some of the posters here are far too sensitive.  Lets keep this the land of free discussion, debate and opinion.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: CenturyDeprived on September 10, 2014, 04:25:33 PM


      THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS

      Exactly.

      Someone who actually knows Brian and was a part of their history comes here and shares her perspective gets run off because they don't like what she has to say.

      Stay classy, guys!

      +1


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: jcm on September 10, 2014, 04:27:53 PM
      Maybe just a genuine thanks to Brian for sticking with us all these years would be appropriate at this point - and for his amazing willingness to continue to work, bringing us profound joy.  Brian and Melinda know that I love and respect them.  That feels really good - the ultimate fulfillment for me after all these years.  It’s up to you if you’d like to join me or not.

      I think the same would go for anyone one might admire that is a famous artist of some sort.  They have given themselves to us via their art.  We, the fans, should not expect a pound of flesh as well.  Just being able to refer back to the art (in this case music) and revisit it from time to time, like an old friend, is awesome enough.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 10, 2014, 04:34:44 PM
      Agreed, JManley. Also helps to remember that these are real life human beings we are discussing...they may be musical legends, but people all the same.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 10, 2014, 04:50:32 PM


      THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS

      Exactly.

      Someone who actually knows Brian and was a part of their history comes here and shares her perspective gets run off because they don't like what she has to say.

      Stay classy, guys!
      Who didn't like what she had to say? Did I miss something?

      From my vantage point, you didn't say anything that crossed the line.  Some of the posters here are far too sensitive.  Lets keep this the land of free discussion, debate and opinion.
      All I did was give an explanation that apparently Ms Keil-Leavitt did not want to read. People would not use the term if they understood the situation exactly as she does. As to how events are announced publicly, Brian almost solely depends on his management to do everything, whereas other artists including the Beach Boys have band members announce and talk about said events. This was the only point that I was trying to get across. I thought this was a topic that could be discussed. I guess I was wrong.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 10, 2014, 05:06:13 PM
      Must be some kind of a board record. Registers one day, 4 posts then out-a-here!

      Nothing to take offence of IMO but different strokes I guess. I do hope she and Ray stick around though.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: puni puni on September 10, 2014, 05:07:30 PM
      "Let's leave it to the grown ups" was a nicer way of saying "what the f*** is it any of your business?"

      While you didn't say anything that was pungently offensive, it is extremely poor form to discuss the intricacies of Brian's managerial or financial practices right after those who just apprehensively unloaded a wealth of credible, record-straightening information just finished stating there need not be concerns in this public forum. The least you could do is express apologies to her.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 10, 2014, 05:11:21 PM
      I talked to her earlier for a few hours (not all about the board...that'd be daft lol), and yes, that is what she took offense to. However, she didn't likewise didn't intend to come across the way she did to. She's not really a message board person to begin with.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 10, 2014, 05:14:56 PM
      "Let's leave it to the grown ups" was a nicer way of saying "what the f*** is it any of your business?"

      While you didn't say anything that was pungently offensive, it is extremely poor form to discuss the intricacies of Brian's managerial or financial practices right after those who just apprehensively unloaded a wealth of credible, record-straightening information just finished stating there need not be concerns in this public forum. The least you could do is express apologies to her.
      I apologized to her. What the f*** more do you want me do, huh? Again, I didn't realize we were being preached to. I thought I could add to the discussion. She didn't like the term handler, I tried to explain why some people use the term. Again, I didn't realize that it was a one way CONVERSATION.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 10, 2014, 05:20:19 PM
      Appak- He did apologize to her, and as she hasn't been online since, i passed them on to her. Likewise, she wanted me to do the same .

      It was a misunderstanding...it's done. It happened, it's over.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: puni puni on September 10, 2014, 05:26:09 PM
      If you already apologized then I must have missed it, so it was an error on my part, and now I'm the one apologizing. I think it would have been best to drop the subject altogether and let the thread move onto more interesting stories than to enlighten/recap us on business business and balk when a guest is justifiably peeved.

      edit: just saw the above post; rest assured I have no more thoughts on the matter


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 10, 2014, 05:29:34 PM
      If you already apologized then I must have missed it, so it was an error on my part, and now I'm the one apologizing. I think it would have been best to drop the subject altogether and let the thread move onto more interesting stories than to enlighten/recap us on business business and balk when a guest is justifiably peeved.
      Now, that is the greatest back-handed apology that I ever received. You really shouldn't have bothered. ;)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 10, 2014, 05:34:54 PM
      Appak just noticed it and edited his post thusly.

      With that...what's done is done and can't be undone. So...let's move on from here, and not discuss the matter further.


      So...

      Glad to hear that Lionsgate picked up the movie for the US too!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 10, 2014, 05:37:50 PM
      If you already apologized then I must have missed it, so it was an error on my part, and now I'm the one apologizing. I think it would have been best to drop the subject altogether and let the thread move onto more interesting stories than to enlighten/recap us on business business and balk when a guest is justifiably peeved.
      Now, that is the greatest back-handed apology that I ever received. You really shouldn't have bothered. ;)

      I'll go one further, as much of the discussion over the last few pages of this thread qualifies to be put under the header "There goes (insert appropriate time block) of my life I'll never get back!"

      Seriously a lecture on etiquette?  Not to belabor the point but "there goes _____ of my life I'll never get back!"  The bottom line for me is we are all adults here and know what is appropriate means of communication versus what isn't.  From my standpoint only people who are trying to agitate or disrupt the forum ignore these guidelines and since that obviously didn't go on here, I don't really see what the issue is.

      Edit: Apologies as I did not read the above request to change the subject.  I am obviously in complete agreement that we should move along...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Kurosawa on September 10, 2014, 05:42:57 PM


      In response to AGD's post earlier

      Andrew;

      Your dates are correct with regard to the filing of the lawsuit initiated by Carl, Audree, Wendy and Carnie. And yes, Melinda was officially cut off, by Landy, from Brian , starting 1989 , until they got together in 1993. What nobody could possibly know (actually maybe three or four people know) is what was going on “off radar”, or behind the scenes at that time; I was “in the mix” during that period and I remember it all too vividly. I have never said a word about it, but it is time I did.

      First of all, it is abject fiction that she never saw Brian after being banned by Landy in 1989. Melinda had her own house in Malibu, which was three miles from the dump that Landy had Brian living in; and it was a dump. Brian had to jog six miles daily; the Landy goons were at specific checkpoints all the time; hell, they weren’t running.  He and Melinda saw each other constantly, on the sly. Brian would sneak to a phone booth and call her, and they would meet; albeit briefly; topic was always a progress report on getting him out of there, and of course, encouragement for Brian in such a sick , twisted situation. Remember; he was forbidden by this sicko to contact his family; so the two of them devised a system that worked.

      Melinda (then) Ledbetter, met Brian in 1986 ; dated him until Landy found out in 1989 that ,not only was their relationship very serious, but also she was on to him and the bullshit he was doing to Brian; and had been on to him for some time. She was quickly and effectively blocked from all contact with Brian ,or so he thought, as shown above. During that time, both prior to being doused by Landy and after, she tried several times, unsuccessfully, to get the family involved in ousting this bastard. I remember that she got Audree’s cell number off her carphone bill, when Brian tried, unsuccessfully , to try and contact her; I also remember that Audree thought that Mike Love had put her up to calling ! By then it was pretty apparent that eliminating Landy would be a daunting task, as it was difficult to figure out who to trust, and who would weasel her out to Landy. Finally, she contacted the Attorney General, State of California, who told her what she already knew; that she needed to get Brian’s family onboard; without family involvement and consent, nothing could happen, and to that end, gave her Carl’s attorney’s information, Ross Schwartz and Jody Leslie.

      Anyway, Melinda then had a few preliminary meetings, I believe, with Ross Schwartz, but soon found that Jody Leslie was “all ears” and was committed to help. It was Jody Leslie who finally convinced the family they needed to step in, after Melinda hand delivered Brian’s will to her, which had been given to Melinda by Andy Dean, one of Brian’s ‘bodyguards”, who developed a conscience after his girlfriend pushed him to help Melinda. This will had been dramatically altered by Landy, whereas he and his girlfriend/wife, Alexandra Morgan, became beneficiaries of 80% of Brian’s estate; Carnie and Wendy were left with 10% each; prior to that, the bulk of the estate went to Carnie and Wendy , with I believe , a smaller portion left to Carl. It was then that the family started the ball rolling with the conservatorship filing; additionally Carl was determined not to let Stan Love take custody of Brian.  This all started in 1989; even though blocked by Landy from seeing Brian, Melinda was relentless is trying to get him the hell out of there. She was asked by Jody Leslie to set up Landy getting served the conservancy papers at the Cadillac dealership; she was so scared of Landy by that time that when he arrived, she was in her office , doors locked , hiding under the desk, afraid of Landy’s erratic behavior. I know that there was a time, just before she was cut off from Brian, that she was secretly taping the mandatory Landy meetings, just in case something happened to her ; it was scary stuff.  I had to go through that bastard twice to see Brian ; I live in New York but Los Angeles was too close for me with Landy; he was that crazy ; I don’t know how she dealt with him , but to her eternal credit she did.
      Anyone who loves Brian’s music owes, at minimum, a “thank you” to Melinda Wilson; without her perseverance in exposing Landy and getting the family involved, Brian would be long gone. Think about it; Landy was pumping him full up with all those meds and making him run six miles a day all jacked up ; it was only a matter of time before his heart gave out, or had a stroke.

      Her role in getting Brian away from Landy should not and cannot be denigrated or minimized. The vitriol for Melinda Wilson by some on this board is uncalled for, usually over the top and misguided; personally I don’t get it, but from now on when it happens, I, for one, will have her back , armed with the facts.

      Finally; I was reading in a few posts wondering what Brian’s reaction to the film was.  Here you go:  “I really liked the movie because the real life was so much worse”.


      That's the second person who was there who's picked me up on my statement concerning Melinda not being either in touch or part of the process, and I'm equally grateful to both for setting me, us and much more importantly, the historical record, straight. When the sources and info are this credible, I have no problem whatsoever with being told to STFU, in private or in public.  ;D

      One of the other ,unfortunately less known historical facts about "Dr." Landy is that one of his patients, Scott Newman , commited suicide either while under Landy's program or just after it. I am fairly certain about that. Scott's father was Paul Newman.  As you stated in your other post, Landy helped himself , that is it. I used to say that Landy saved Brian's life, but I no longer feel that way. At the end of the day , he got Brian to lose weight; twice.

      In 1976 I went to see Brian at the bellagio house; when he came to the door he said that he couldnt hang out at all unless it was cleared by his doctor, and gave me Landy's number. So I had to go get interviewed by this guy ; what a bizarre experience.  All Landy wanted to know was what drugs I was doing (none) , how many women I had slept with (not nearly enough ) and why I wanted to record with Brian Wilson (I didnt).  He wanted to know how I got from NY to LA (Pan Am) and finally wanted to know would I be giving Brian any alcohol.  I felt like I was talking to a Warden on speed. So Landy said "you have my blessing, go on back to the house, I will tell Brian you are approved". So as I am walking out of this charlatan's office, I literally walk straight into his next patient, or rather victim, who at that time was literally the most famous actress in the world. I remember thinking to myself " she is seeing this quack ?? Holy s..t"   You cant make this stuff up

      Landy also "treated" Gig Young, who ended up killing his wife and then himself. What a horrible legacy of mistreatment and exploitation Landy has.

      Ray, I also wish to thank you for your enlightening posts about Brian and Melinda.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 10, 2014, 05:48:05 PM


      In response to AGD's post earlier

      Andrew;

      Your dates are correct with regard to the filing of the lawsuit initiated by Carl, Audree, Wendy and Carnie. And yes, Melinda was officially cut off, by Landy, from Brian , starting 1989 , until they got together in 1993. What nobody could possibly know (actually maybe three or four people know) is what was going on “off radar”, or behind the scenes at that time; I was “in the mix” during that period and I remember it all too vividly. I have never said a word about it, but it is time I did.

      First of all, it is abject fiction that she never saw Brian after being banned by Landy in 1989. Melinda had her own house in Malibu, which was three miles from the dump that Landy had Brian living in; and it was a dump. Brian had to jog six miles daily; the Landy goons were at specific checkpoints all the time; hell, they weren’t running.  He and Melinda saw each other constantly, on the sly. Brian would sneak to a phone booth and call her, and they would meet; albeit briefly; topic was always a progress report on getting him out of there, and of course, encouragement for Brian in such a sick , twisted situation. Remember; he was forbidden by this sicko to contact his family; so the two of them devised a system that worked.

      Melinda (then) Ledbetter, met Brian in 1986 ; dated him until Landy found out in 1989 that ,not only was their relationship very serious, but also she was on to him and the bullshit he was doing to Brian; and had been on to him for some time. She was quickly and effectively blocked from all contact with Brian ,or so he thought, as shown above. During that time, both prior to being doused by Landy and after, she tried several times, unsuccessfully, to get the family involved in ousting this bastard. I remember that she got Audree’s cell number off her carphone bill, when Brian tried, unsuccessfully , to try and contact her; I also remember that Audree thought that Mike Love had put her up to calling ! By then it was pretty apparent that eliminating Landy would be a daunting task, as it was difficult to figure out who to trust, and who would weasel her out to Landy. Finally, she contacted the Attorney General, State of California, who told her what she already knew; that she needed to get Brian’s family onboard; without family involvement and consent, nothing could happen, and to that end, gave her Carl’s attorney’s information, Ross Schwartz and Jody Leslie.

      Anyway, Melinda then had a few preliminary meetings, I believe, with Ross Schwartz, but soon found that Jody Leslie was “all ears” and was committed to help. It was Jody Leslie who finally convinced the family they needed to step in, after Melinda hand delivered Brian’s will to her, which had been given to Melinda by Andy Dean, one of Brian’s ‘bodyguards”, who developed a conscience after his girlfriend pushed him to help Melinda. This will had been dramatically altered by Landy, whereas he and his girlfriend/wife, Alexandra Morgan, became beneficiaries of 80% of Brian’s estate; Carnie and Wendy were left with 10% each; prior to that, the bulk of the estate went to Carnie and Wendy , with I believe , a smaller portion left to Carl. It was then that the family started the ball rolling with the conservatorship filing; additionally Carl was determined not to let Stan Love take custody of Brian.  This all started in 1989; even though blocked by Landy from seeing Brian, Melinda was relentless is trying to get him the hell out of there. She was asked by Jody Leslie to set up Landy getting served the conservancy papers at the Cadillac dealership; she was so scared of Landy by that time that when he arrived, she was in her office , doors locked , hiding under the desk, afraid of Landy’s erratic behavior. I know that there was a time, just before she was cut off from Brian, that she was secretly taping the mandatory Landy meetings, just in case something happened to her ; it was scary stuff.  I had to go through that bastard twice to see Brian ; I live in New York but Los Angeles was too close for me with Landy; he was that crazy ; I don’t know how she dealt with him , but to her eternal credit she did.
      Anyone who loves Brian’s music owes, at minimum, a “thank you” to Melinda Wilson; without her perseverance in exposing Landy and getting the family involved, Brian would be long gone. Think about it; Landy was pumping him full up with all those meds and making him run six miles a day all jacked up ; it was only a matter of time before his heart gave out, or had a stroke.

      Her role in getting Brian away from Landy should not and cannot be denigrated or minimized. The vitriol for Melinda Wilson by some on this board is uncalled for, usually over the top and misguided; personally I don’t get it, but from now on when it happens, I, for one, will have her back , armed with the facts.

      Finally; I was reading in a few posts wondering what Brian’s reaction to the film was.  Here you go:  “I really liked the movie because the real life was so much worse”.


      That's the second person who was there who's picked me up on my statement concerning Melinda not being either in touch or part of the process, and I'm equally grateful to both for setting me, us and much more importantly, the historical record, straight. When the sources and info are this credible, I have no problem whatsoever with being told to STFU, in private or in public.  ;D

      One of the other ,unfortunately less known historical facts about "Dr." Landy is that one of his patients, Scott Newman , commited suicide either while under Landy's program or just after it. I am fairly certain about that. Scott's father was Paul Newman.  As you stated in your other post, Landy helped himself , that is it. I used to say that Landy saved Brian's life, but I no longer feel that way. At the end of the day , he got Brian to lose weight; twice.

      In 1976 I went to see Brian at the bellagio house; when he came to the door he said that he couldnt hang out at all unless it was cleared by his doctor, and gave me Landy's number. So I had to go get interviewed by this guy ; what a bizarre experience.  All Landy wanted to know was what drugs I was doing (none) , how many women I had slept with (not nearly enough ) and why I wanted to record with Brian Wilson (I didnt).  He wanted to know how I got from NY to LA (Pan Am) and finally wanted to know would I be giving Brian any alcohol.  I felt like I was talking to a Warden on speed. So Landy said "you have my blessing, go on back to the house, I will tell Brian you are approved". So as I am walking out of this charlatan's office, I literally walk straight into his next patient, or rather victim, who at that time was literally the most famous actress in the world. I remember thinking to myself " she is seeing this quack ?? Holy s..t"   You cant make this stuff up

      Landy also "treated" Gig Young, who ended up killing his wife and then himself. What a horrible legacy of mistreatment and exploitation Landy has.

      Ray, I also wish to thank you for your enlightening posts about Brian and Melinda.

      Without in any way defending Landy's methods, Gig Young I believe had some difficulties in relationships before Landy came into his life.  Around a decade ago, I watched a biography on Elizabeth Montgomery and it was mentioned that Liz's marriage to Gig Young ended in divorce allegedly due to Young's battles and issues with alcohol. 


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 10, 2014, 05:48:15 PM
      Appak just noticed it and edited his post thusly.

      With that...what's done is done and can't be undone. So...let's move on from here, and not discuss the matter further.


      So...

      Glad to hear that Lionsgate picked up the movie for the US too!
      That is great news. Lionsgate has been a major player over the past few years and can really have an impact with making this a major theater release.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 10, 2014, 06:35:31 PM
      She seemed to come in with the mindset of making a few posts and leaving anyway. 

      I think so too.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 10, 2014, 06:37:43 PM
      You didn't say anything that crossed the line.  Some of the posters here are far too sensitive.  Lets keep this the land of free discussion, debate and opinion.

      Agree with this 100%.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 10, 2014, 06:42:05 PM
      I read lionsgate has acquired the American and Canadian rights to the the film for 3 million.

      That's a big investment. Hopefully they get behind the film and get it out there for people to see.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: jcm on September 10, 2014, 07:37:38 PM
      I read lionsgate has acquired the American and Canadian rights to the the film for 3 million.

      That's a big investment. Hopefully they get behind the film and get it out there for people to see.

      I'm most excited about what this film could do for a new found appreciation of Brian's/BB's work.  Perhaps much the same way that "Walk the Line" and "Ray" did for their respective subjects.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Cyncie on September 10, 2014, 07:39:47 PM
      I read lionsgate has acquired the American and Canadian rights to the the film for 3 million.

      That's a big investment. Hopefully they get behind the film and get it out there for people to see.

      I'm very glad this film did so well at the festival and am looking forward to seeing it in the theaters!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 10, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
      She seemed to come in with the mindset of making a few posts and leaving anyway.

      I think so too.
       Yeah...she only wanted to set the record straight regarding Brian ...had no intention of sticking around,  and it had nothing to do with being offended or any posts that were made. No harm,  no foul.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 10, 2014, 07:47:18 PM
      Yes, the Liongate story has been confirmed.  Awesome news!!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 10, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
      She seemed to come in with the mindset of making a few posts and leaving anyway.

      I think so too.
       Yeah...she only wanted to set the record straight regarding Brian ...had no intention of sticking around,  and it had nothing to do with being offended or any posts that were made. No harm,  no foul.

      Good to know.

      I am almost as eager to hear the soundtrack as I am to hear Brian's new album for some reason.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 10, 2014, 08:05:50 PM
      Equally for me....he could put out an album of him reading the phone book and I'd still want it, but the fact that we got an album coming out of music that he is over the moon for, and also have a film about him that's getting rave reviews, AND an autobiography...well, it's like 1995 again for me.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: joshferrell on September 10, 2014, 08:12:56 PM
      so my question is this: did they use the original Beach Boys masters or did Brian Re-record the songs for the movie? or a mixture of both?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 10, 2014, 08:45:22 PM
      so my question is this: did they use the original Beach Boys masters or did Brian Re-record the songs for the movie? or a mixture of both?

      This was covered a few pages ago, check it out.  ;)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: joshferrell on September 10, 2014, 09:02:35 PM
      so my question is this: did they use the original Beach Boys masters or did Brian Re-record the songs for the movie? or a mixture of both?

      This was covered a few pages ago, check it out.  ;)
      ok... cool..


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 10, 2014, 09:17:00 PM
      so my question is this: did they use the original Beach Boys masters or did Brian Re-record the songs for the movie? or a mixture of both?

      This was covered a few pages ago, check it out.  ;)
      ok... cool..

      Josh, I hope my reply didn't come off as facetious or sarcastic or anything because it wasn't meant that way, but if you check out specifically pages 7-8 of this thread you'll get some of the info and a photo.  :)

      I don't *think* Brian himself re-recorded anything for the film, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Dancing Bear on September 10, 2014, 09:39:28 PM
      I understand that Brian isn't a vegetable. I get it. But I feel we're bending too much to the other side of the coin. He still is mentally ill.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 10, 2014, 09:59:50 PM
      Just depression or other things?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 10, 2014, 10:02:55 PM
      I understand that Brian isn't a vegetable. I get it. But I feel we're bending too much to the other side of the coin. He still is mentally ill.

      And your point is...what, exactly? I found that insulting and not for the reasons some might think. If you know someone personally who is fighting an alcohol addiction, do you go around reminding people he or she is an alcoholic?

      If you want to stir the sh*t, it isn't going to happen here on the basis of posts worded like that. Just sayin'.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: krabklaw on September 10, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
      This film seems to be generating such positive buzz that I can't help but wonder if Lion's Gate might try to get this into some theaters by year's end to qualify for awards consideration. I think the fact that a distribution deal came so quickly is a very good sign that could happen. I have my fingers crossed anyway.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Doo Dah on September 10, 2014, 10:29:03 PM
      She seemed to come in with the mindset of making a few posts and leaving anyway. 

      I think so too.

      I just wanted to ask her if Brian ever, finally got his chicken.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 10, 2014, 10:36:36 PM
      Just woken up, and caught up, and I have this to say: what is wrong with some of us ? We get people here who were involved, really do know what happened (as opposed to the likes of me spinning whole cloth out of woefully incomplete thread) and take the time and trouble to post... and they get grief. Frankly I'm surprised no-one's taken a pop at Ray, Matt or Scotty T yet. Debra has a unique insight into Brian's life, but I for one will be astonished if she ever posts here again, and that's a great loss. I shudder to think what might transpire if Alan, Mike or Brian decided to drop by. Actually, I think I do know exactly what the response would be - "yeah, right, of course you are, get the **** outta here".

      I don't know about any other boards devoted to bands, but here we have some pivotal people posting, and now and then we take it for granted and don't afford them their due respect. Madness.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Doo Dah on September 10, 2014, 10:43:34 PM
      You know, we're 10 years post BWPS. Amazing really, but time flies (especially in media cycle years). The 2012 tour woke up a lot of people to the band's legacy, and BWPS woke up a whole new demographic on Brian's studio artistry (to take nothing away from the band themselves). Hopefully this movie will engage, reengage, and remind everyone of the inspirational saga of the BW career arc.

      Ray, the behind-the-scenes info is illuminating and fascinating. Thank you for that. Just when you think you've heard the story, now you know...the rest of the story.

      The real interesting chapter will the new, improved auto biography. Beyond the music, there's so much internal dynamics that we can only ponder and conjecture. Brian has never fully dropped the veil and really truly opened up - circa BWPS, and subsequently with the Smile box, I always found Brian's recollections wanting (whether by design or not). Compare that with Pete Townsend's deeply fascinating and rambling explanations (and contradictions) on the stillborn Lifehouse. I always loved those Rolling Stone stream of consciousness interviews of his. Yet with Brian, there's always a little held back. This of course adds to the mystique, the riddle. Anything and everything that reveals the inner Brian Wilson is fascinating to me.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Dancing Bear on September 10, 2014, 10:57:06 PM
      I understand that Brian isn't a vegetable. I get it. But I feel we're bending too much to the other side of the coin. He still is mentally ill.

      And your point is...what, exactly? I found that insulting and not for the reasons some might think. If you know someone personally who is fighting an alcohol addiction, do you go around reminding people he or she is an alcoholic?

      If you want to stir the sh*t, it isn't going to happen here on the basis of posts worded like that. Just sayin'.

      Maybe I would so that they wouldn't give booze to my personal friend.

      I feel a certain hostility to simply mentioning that Brian isn't a 100% independent adult. He isn't and hasn't been for almost five decades.

      How is that stirring the sh*t when we've been reading about it with microscopical detail for some decades, a bit during the Marylin era, a whole lot during Landy and a whole lot more in the last 20 years? You can only save someone who needs help.

      Well, before you accuse me of 'hating' Brian, just ignore this post and I'll drop it altogether. Truce?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Dudd on September 10, 2014, 11:09:08 PM
      Has this been posted? Totally glowing review here:
      http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/review-john-cusack-and-paul-dano-give-voice-to-brian-wilsons-broken-soul-in-love-mercy?hf_exp=social_title_off&title=Review%3A%20John%20Cusack%20and%20Paul%20Dano%20give%20voice%20to%20Brian%20Wilson%27s%20broken%20soul%20in%20%27Love%20%26%20Mercy%27 (http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/review-john-cusack-and-paul-dano-give-voice-to-brian-wilsons-broken-soul-in-love-mercy?hf_exp=social_title_off&title=Review%3A%20John%20Cusack%20and%20Paul%20Dano%20give%20voice%20to%20Brian%20Wilson%27s%20broken%20soul%20in%20%27Love%20%26%20Mercy%27)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: startBBtoday on September 10, 2014, 11:11:35 PM
      Just woken up, and caught up, and I have this to say: what is wrong with some of us ? We get people here who were involved, really do know what happened (as opposed to the likes of me spinning whole cloth out of woefully incomplete thread) and take the time and trouble to post... and they get grief. Frankly I'm surprised no-one's taken a pop at Ray, Matt or Scotty T yet. Debra has a unique insight into Brian's life, but I for one will be astonished if she ever posts here again, and that's a great loss. I shudder to think what might transpire if Alan, Mike or Brian decided to drop by. Actually, I think I do know exactly what the response would be - "yeah, right, of course you are, get the **** outta here".

      I don't know about any other boards devoted to bands, but here we have some pivotal people posting, and now and then we take it for granted and don't afford them their due respect. Madness.

      Yeah, I couldn't believe that sh*t either. Just left me shaking my head.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 10, 2014, 11:28:58 PM
      Just woken up, and caught up, and I have this to say: what is wrong with some of us ? We get people here who were involved, really do know what happened (as opposed to the likes of me spinning whole cloth out of woefully incomplete thread) and take the time and trouble to post... and they get grief. Frankly I'm surprised no-one's taken a pop at Ray, Matt or Scotty T yet. Debra has a unique insight into Brian's life, but I for one will be astonished if she ever posts here again, and that's a great loss. I shudder to think what might transpire if Alan, Mike or Brian decided to drop by. Actually, I think I do know exactly what the response would be - "yeah, right, of course you are, get the **** outta here".

      I don't know about any other boards devoted to bands, but here we have some pivotal people posting, and now and then we take it for granted and don't afford them their due respect. Madness.

      Yeah, I couldn't believe that sh*t either. Just left me shaking my head.

      In agreement. This place can be like a great bar serving the finest ales - attracts the great and the good, poets and thinkers, obsessives and historians, players and (in the past) even team members, and those of us who come to sip at the nectar. And after a match, it attracts a lot of fans and a little tipsy behaviour. We're all here for the same thing, just with different attitudes and goals. I hope we can all drink here without spoiling it for the players occasionally.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 12:07:40 AM
      Well said.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 11, 2014, 12:09:12 AM
      I understand that Brian isn't a vegetable. I get it. But I feel we're bending too much to the other side of the coin. He still is mentally ill.

      And your point is...what, exactly? I found that insulting and not for the reasons some might think. If you know someone personally who is fighting an alcohol addiction, do you go around reminding people he or she is an alcoholic?

      If you want to stir the sh*t, it isn't going to happen here on the basis of posts worded like that. Just sayin'.

      Maybe I would so that they wouldn't give booze to my personal friend.

      I feel a certain hostility to simply mentioning that Brian isn't a 100% independent adult. He isn't and hasn't been for almost five decades.

      How is that stirring the sh*t when we've been reading about it with microscopical detail for some decades, a bit during the Marylin era, a whole lot during Landy and a whole lot more in the last 20 years? You can only save someone who needs help.

      Well, before you accuse me of 'hating' Brian, just ignore this post and I'll drop it altogether. Truce?

      No truce. Don't patronize me or anyone here like that.

      This is the deal: You saw in the past 24 hours several people come to this board, to this specific discussion, on their own initiative, to post about someone who they know as a friend. Not as a rock legend, not as a reclusive musical genius, not as a star, but as a friend.

      It provided some of the best conversation and information I have ever seen on this board. Direct, no bullshit information from people who actually know the man personally.

      That is what this board can and could be known for.

      Tonight, I see a post (from you) reminding people here - including those who have known the man personally for decades - that Brian Wilson is still mentally ill. Driving that point into the ground and reminding people here of it on a regular basis must be akin to "seeing the other side of the coin", as the flip side of the coin must be describing Brian living his everyday life as he does and chooses to do, with the people he loves and chooses to be with.

      I find it insulting, I found it insulting to read a reminder like that in the context of this thread which is discussing a movie about Brian's life and the issues he's dealt with, and I'm calling it out as something I don't see as necessary nor welcome in this context.

      It's not about hating or loving anyone, it's about seeing things in context and choosing what may or may not be appropriate in light of the situation.

      This board can be known for the posts and conversations on the previous 4-5 pages or so, or it can be known as a place where unnecessary reminders that "Brian is still mentally ill" in that context are posted in order to show both sides of some imaginary coin, or the standard of imagined fairness that coin represents in some fantastic way I must not get.

      First, I don't see the point to reminding anyone here of things everyone knows and has known up to and including the man who just had the film made about him in the way it was done above, and second, I don't want the board to be known for that kind of thing.

      If I'm alone in that opinion, I'm happy to stand alone in that opinion. That's my take.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 12:25:12 AM
      Not alone. The man has brought so much joy to my life, and i find it a bit disrespectful. Nobody is discounting the fact that he has his struggles, but he's working through it. It is a daily struggle,  and i respect him as much for that as i do for his outstanding body of work.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: 18thofMay on September 11, 2014, 12:33:11 AM
      Not alone. The man has brought so much joy to my life, and i find it a bit disrespectful. Nobody is discounting the fact that he has his struggles, but he's working through it. It is a daily struggle,  and i respect him as much for that as i do for his outstanding body of work.

      I concur. I cant find anything more to say at this point.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Dancing Bear on September 11, 2014, 01:17:34 AM
      It's not like the fact that Brian's movie got good to great reviews gave me this urge to crap on its thread. I think every post in this forum is worthy, no matter if you're a dumbass who doesn't know how many singles were released from the Surf's Up LP or if you're an insider. I like Ray's posts, but they're often greeted with (paraphrasing) "Finally someone who knows what hes talking about! You read it folks, this crap about Brian having handlers is total bullshit!". You know, if someone wants to believe that Brian's a manipulated vegetable, so be it. This person doesn't have to be shushed and convinced to cut the crap. Now Debbie Keil enters and leaves in a huff, just like she intended to, and there's this crisis about how we should have nurtured her affiliation. I don't know.

      I take offense at being accused of repeatedly mentioning Brian's mental illness. That's not the case at all, but it doesn't matter. I apologize for my first post and will only post in this thread again after I watch the movie, no matter what the replies are. Estou gordo como uma vaca, como eu fui ficar assim?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 02:27:04 AM
      I'm not going to pretend to know what the last thing translates to in English, so I'll leave it alone.

      Quote
      Now Debbie Keil enters and leaves in a huff, just like she intended to, and there's this crisis about how we should have nurtured her affiliation
      She didn't intend to leave in a huff; she wanted to set the record straight on a few things, and there was a misunderstanding afterwards that has since been straightened out.

      As for the rest, well, it came across as here we are celebrating Brian, and you basically are accusing us of forgetting that he has struggled with mental illness. As I said earlier, nobody here is discounting that or taking that lightly. Hell, that's what the movie is about to begin with! Out of the blue, you post

      Quote
      I understand that Brian isn't a vegetable. I get it. But I feel we're bending too much to the other side of the coin. He still is mentally ill.

      when nobody was denying that in the first place!  I can't speak for others, but as for me, that's what I myself took offense to. Why even bring that up? We know he has had problems. Nobody here was saying 'oh, he's 100% fine and every day is a breeze'.

      And of course people like Ray and Debbie are going to try to clear things up..,how would you feel if there was misinformation about a close friend of yours?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Seaside Woman on September 11, 2014, 03:39:15 AM
      Thank you, Ray. I remember Melinda talking about this in an interview (maybe it was Larry King?). She said Brian had used her phone to call a family member and that's how she got the family member's number. She subsequently tried to call the family member in an attempt to get help for Brian.

      Melinda, when she was posting on the Blueboard also recounted this story. She said the only way she could get the family involved was when they realized the will had been changed. Can anyone else remember this? Did you see that particular post Amy?

      Quick edit: Thanks to Ray and Debbie for their efforts in getting the truth out there. I loved reading every word...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Matt H on September 11, 2014, 04:32:36 AM
      Now that Lions Gate is going to be the distributor, does anyone know how long it usually takes to set a release date?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: buddhahat on September 11, 2014, 05:17:11 AM
      Just woken up, and caught up, and I have this to say: what is wrong with some of us ? We get people here who were involved, really do know what happened (as opposed to the likes of me spinning whole cloth out of woefully incomplete thread) and take the time and trouble to post... and they get grief. Frankly I'm surprised no-one's taken a pop at Ray, Matt or Scotty T yet. Debra has a unique insight into Brian's life, but I for one will be astonished if she ever posts here again, and that's a great loss. I shudder to think what might transpire if Alan, Mike or Brian decided to drop by. Actually, I think I do know exactly what the response would be - "yeah, right, of course you are, get the **** outta here".

      I don't know about any other boards devoted to bands, but here we have some pivotal people posting, and now and then we take it for granted and don't afford them their due respect. Madness.

      Yes this also left me scratching my head. I don't get what was so offensive about the "leave it to the grown ups" comment anyway, nor the desperate rush to call her out on it.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Sheriff John Stone on September 11, 2014, 05:29:38 AM
      It's not like the fact that Brian's movie got good to great reviews gave me this urge to crap on its thread. I think every post in this forum is worthy, no matter if you're a dumbass who doesn't know how many singles were released from the Surf's Up LP or if you're an insider. I like Ray's posts, but they're often greeted with (paraphrasing) "Finally someone who knows what hes talking about! You read it folks, this crap about Brian having handlers is total bullshit!". You know, if someone wants to believe that Brian's a manipulated vegetable, so be it. This person doesn't have to be shushed and convinced to cut the crap. Now Debbie Keil enters and leaves in a huff, just like she intended to, and there's this crisis about how we should have nurtured her affiliation. I don't know.

      I take offense at being accused of repeatedly mentioning Brian's mental illness. That's not the case at all, but it doesn't matter. I apologize for my first post and will only post in this thread again after I watch the movie, no matter what the replies are. Estou gordo como uma vaca, como eu fui ficar assim?

      Your opinion is not welcomed here. Pay attention! Certain posters will tell you what you should think and say. If you want to think and say something that is critical of Brian Wilson...don't. It's not welcomed here, unless you can find an honored guest to come on to back you up. Good luck with that. The studio janitors might have some interesting things to say, though.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Amy B. on September 11, 2014, 05:33:18 AM
      Thank you, Ray. I remember Melinda talking about this in an interview (maybe it was Larry King?). She said Brian had used her phone to call a family member and that's how she got the family member's number. She subsequently tried to call the family member in an attempt to get help for Brian.

      Melinda, when she was posting on the Blueboard also recounted this story. She said the only way she could get the family involved was when they realized the will had been changed. Can anyone else remember this? Did you see that particular post Amy?

      Quick edit: Thanks to Ray and Debbie for their efforts in getting the truth out there. I loved reading every word...

      I'm not sure where I read/saw it, but yes, Melinda has explained (probably more than once) her involvement and how she helped get the family involved. I believe you're right-- she did point out that the will was kind of the final straw.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: kwan_dk on September 11, 2014, 05:59:03 AM
      Now that Lions Gate is going to be the distributor, does anyone know how long it usually takes to set a release date?

      Don't know but hear this: 'Once' director John Carney's current movie 'Begin Again' was picked up for distribution immidiatedly after its screening at last year's festival. (back then it was called 'Could a Song save your Life?')

      As I remember it, it took about half a year before a release date was set. (sometime in June, I think it was) And not that long after stating a release date, trailers began to circulate.

      So perhaps we're all the wiser around January / February?

      Really, REALLY looking forward to this movie!!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: CM Punky Brewster on September 11, 2014, 07:01:01 AM
      Just woken up, and caught up, and I have this to say: what is wrong with some of us ? We get people here who were involved, really do know what happened (as opposed to the likes of me spinning whole cloth out of woefully incomplete thread) and take the time and trouble to post... and they get grief. Frankly I'm surprised no-one's taken a pop at Ray, Matt or Scotty T yet. Debra has a unique insight into Brian's life, but I for one will be astonished if she ever posts here again, and that's a great loss. I shudder to think what might transpire if Alan, Mike or Brian decided to drop by. Actually, I think I do know exactly what the response would be - "yeah, right, of course you are, get the **** outta here".

      I don't know about any other boards devoted to bands, but here we have some pivotal people posting, and now and then we take it for granted and don't afford them their due respect. Madness.

      This x 1000.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 11, 2014, 07:32:10 AM
      Ok, now yes, first bad review:

      grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/toronto-film-festival-2014-john-cusack-jon-stewart-chris-rock/

      It's the first "rotten" review:

      www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/

       :(


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Rocket on September 11, 2014, 07:35:44 AM
      Reading reviews, I'm seeing that in Dano's scenes Pet Sounds is the main focus.

      Does anyone know how much Smile is shown in the film?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 11, 2014, 07:40:35 AM
      Some people are making a bigger deal than it was with Debbie Keil!! Her intention from the beginning was to post and run! NOBODY RAN HER OFF!

      Again. After reviewing 3-4 times how Dr. Beachboy, Pixeltwin, and others responded to her posts soon afterwards, I really don't see anything wrong or out of the ordinary. And evidently neither did Debbie. Do we have to show respect? Of course! Walk on thin ice, concerned with what we post may be misconstrued or worded slightly off-kilter? Maybe. But my God, understand going in that if you're ultra sensitive with a very thin skin and can't welcome questions, comments or debate (if necessary)  - forget it! Don't bother! Somebody is going to get their feelings hurt. It's a MESSAGE BOARD, not a wamby pamby kiss-butt nicey-nice forum for little girls. I'm sure Ray understands that and he knows we have his back. And like someone said - we're adults here. We know how to act. And we do! We have 3 mods here to remind us of that and we also police our own, ya know? So relax and have fun!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Paul J B on September 11, 2014, 07:43:40 AM
      I have to say I'm more than a little impressed that this film sounds like a winner. Any review in and of itself means nothing to me.....however, taking in all of the information that has come out since the debut I don't see how I am not going to at least like the film. After those two television debacles......what a great thing this might be.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 11, 2014, 07:45:27 AM
      Some people are making a bigger deal than it was with Debbie Keil!! Her intention from the beginning was to post and run! NOBODY RAN HER OFF!

      Again. Reviewing 3-4 times how Dr. Beachboy, Pixeltwin and others responded to her posts soon afterwards. I really don't see anything wrong or out of the ordinary. And evidently neither did Debbie. Do we have to show respect? Of course! Walk on needles and pins concerned with what is posted may be misconstrued or worded slightly off-kilter? Maybe. But my God, understand going in that if you have a very thin skin and can't welcome questions, comments or debate (if necessary)  - forget it! Somebody is going to get their feelings hurt. It's a MESSAGE BOARD, not a wamby pamby kiss-butt nicey-nice forum for little girls. I'm sure Ray understands that and he knows we have his back. But like someone said - we're adults here. We know how to act. And we do! We have 3 mods here to remind us of that and we also police our own, ya know? So relax and have fun!

      Bravo and thanks.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 11, 2014, 08:16:42 AM
      It's not like the fact that Brian's movie got good to great reviews gave me this urge to crap on its thread. I think every post in this forum is worthy, no matter if you're a dumbass who doesn't know how many singles were released from the Surf's Up LP or if you're an insider. I like Ray's posts, but they're often greeted with (paraphrasing) "Finally someone who knows what hes talking about! You read it folks, this crap about Brian having handlers is total bullshit!". You know, if someone wants to believe that Brian's a manipulated vegetable, so be it. This person doesn't have to be shushed and convinced to cut the crap. Now Debbie Keil enters and leaves in a huff, just like she intended to, and there's this crisis about how we should have nurtured her affiliation. I don't know.

      I take offense at being accused of repeatedly mentioning Brian's mental illness. That's not the case at all, but it doesn't matter. I apologize for my first post and will only post in this thread again after I watch the movie, no matter what the replies are. Estou gordo como uma vaca, como eu fui ficar assim?

      Your opinion is not welcomed here. Pay attention! Certain posters will tell you what you should think and say. If you want to think and say something that is critical of Brian Wilson...don't. It's not welcomed here, unless you can find an honored guest to come on to back you up. Good luck with that. The studio janitors might have some interesting things to say, though.



      That is ridiculous.

      If I'm a "certain poster", I'll address this.

      First, what is the end game exactly? What is the desired result from a reply like this? Spell it out, we'll talk it out. As it appears now, it seems I and others are being accused of not welcoming opinions, and it's getting away from the discussion...distraction? Let's tackle the "something that is critical of Brian Wilson" remark.

      Reminding people reading a thread based on a film *about Brian Wilson's battle with mental health issues* that Brian "still is mentally ill" is not only redundant, but it was unnecessary and in the context of this discussion it struck me as insensitive bordering on insulting, at least I took it as insulting in this context. So I called it out.

      Again, what is the motivation for doing that? Help me understand it, let me know the motivation or the desired end result in reminding everyone who is a Beach Boys fan about this.

      Opinions are fine, right? I'll take the fact over opinion any time and every time, especially in cases where the facts of the story are set in stone and describe exactly what may or may not have happened.

      No one is here to shut out opinions. However, if I'm eating a ham and swiss on rye and you come up to me and tell me you think I'm eating a tuna salad wrap, I'll push back on that "opinion", since it is total nonsense. Some things just are what they are.

      And beyond that, I'd ask why would this guy try to tell me I'm eating a tuna salad wrap when he sees and I know that I'm eating a ham and swiss on rye?

      What is the motivation, what is the desired result. Simple.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: puni puni on September 11, 2014, 08:22:48 AM
      The reason why sunny-down-snuff replaces over-the-cornfield was to surprise fans and make the biopic less predictable, and it's not that historically inaccurate in the first place, since it's reported that the crow incident was only one of numerous lyric-related altercations between Love and Parks during Smile.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 11, 2014, 08:26:38 AM
      The reason why sunny-down-snuff replaces over-the-cornfield was to surprise fans and make the biopic less predictable, and it's not that historically inaccurate in the first place, since it's reported that the crow incident was only one of numerous lyric-related altercations between Love and Parks during Smile.

      I would have preferred that they kept consistent and made the line "Geronimo leaps and bounds for glory over the dust bowl."


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 11, 2014, 08:38:05 AM
      The reason why sunny-down-snuff replaces over-the-cornfield was to surprise fans and make the biopic less predictable, and it's not that historically inaccurate in the first place, since it's reported that the crow incident was only one of numerous lyric-related altercations between Love and Parks during Smile.

      I would have preferred that they kept consistent and made the line "Geronimo leaps and bounds for glory over the dust bowl."
      Plus making the BBs stare at a doll. ;)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 11, 2014, 08:41:24 AM
      The reason why sunny-down-snuff replaces over-the-cornfield was to surprise fans and make the biopic less predictable, and it's not that historically inaccurate in the first place, since it's reported that the crow incident was only one of numerous lyric-related altercations between Love and Parks during Smile.

      I would have preferred that they kept consistent and made the line "Geronimo leaps and bounds for glory over the dust bowl."
      Plus making the BBs stare at a doll. ;)

      Ahh yes, mustn't forget the "official" version of the Smile sessions as acted out in the "official" TV movie bio. THAT'S the way it all went down. Can't challenge that, it's an opinion after all and is more than welcome to replace fact any day.

      That's the ticket.
       ;D



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 11, 2014, 08:42:27 AM
      The reason why sunny-down-snuff replaces over-the-cornfield was to surprise fans and make the biopic less predictable, and it's not that historically inaccurate in the first place, since it's reported that the crow incident was only one of numerous lyric-related altercations between Love and Parks during Smile.

      I would have preferred that they kept consistent and made the line "Geronimo leaps and bounds for glory over the dust bowl."
      Plus making the BBs stare at a doll. ;)

      Exactly. No better example of how Brian humiliated the other guys in the studio. Just imagine having to stare at that doll and sing...it bums me out.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Emdeeh on September 11, 2014, 08:46:59 AM
      Another review:
      http://www.biography.com/news/love-and-mercy-brian-wilson-review


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 11, 2014, 08:59:23 AM
      Some people are making a bigger deal than it was with Debbie Keil!! Her intention from the beginning was to post and run! NOBODY RAN HER OFF!

      Again. After reviewing 3-4 times how Dr. Beachboy, Pixeltwin, and others responded to her posts soon afterwards, I really don't see anything wrong or out of the ordinary. And evidently neither did Debbie. Do we have to show respect? Of course! Walk on thin ice, concerned with what we post may be misconstrued or worded slightly off-kilter? Maybe. But my God, understand going in that if you're ultra sensitive with a very thin skin and can't welcome questions, comments or debate (if necessary)  - forget it! Don't bother! Somebody is going to get their feelings hurt. It's a MESSAGE BOARD, not a wamby pamby kiss-butt nicey-nice forum for little girls. I'm sure Ray understands that and he knows we have his back. And like someone said - we're adults here. We know how to act. And we do! We have 3 mods here to remind us of that and we also police our own, ya know? So relax and have fun!
      Thank you Mikey.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 11, 2014, 09:02:19 AM
      Another review:
      http://www.biography.com/news/love-and-mercy-brian-wilson-review


      A passage from that review that stood out: Giamatti plays him as a crazed martinet with a Beatles haircut. While Giamatti insists that he sought to avoid portraying Landy as a cardboard villain, it’s difficult to view this hipster analyst as much more than a sinister, if intermittently comic, impediment to Brian’s eventual triumph over adversity.

      The use of the word "comic" is something to consider. Obviously what actually happened and even worse what could have happened to Brian had actions not been taken as they were is far from a comedic situation. I'm curious to see how the portrayal plays out on screen, because again the entirety of the situation seems so far removed from any notion of comedy that it's tough to see how this reviewer got comedy out of it unless it was done deliberately to lessen the blow of the reality for audiences. Maybe it's that fine line between absurdity and comedy which is being hinted at, where some things in retrospect seem so ridiculous, so absurd, that they become laughable in that absurdity. But is that necessarily "comic"? I'm curious to see.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 11, 2014, 09:07:02 AM
      The reason why sunny-down-snuff replaces over-the-cornfield was to surprise fans and make the biopic less predictable, and it's not that historically inaccurate in the first place, since it's reported that the crow incident was only one of numerous lyric-related altercations between Love and Parks during Smile.

      I would have preferred that they kept consistent and made the line "Geronimo leaps and bounds for glory over the dust bowl."
      Plus making the BBs stare at a doll. ;)

      Exactly. No better example of how Brian humiliated the other guys in the studio. Just imagine having to stare at that doll and sing...it bums me out.
      Plus the random sound effects BW made while VDP was mean to Mike Love. ;)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 11, 2014, 09:11:17 AM
      It's not like the fact that Brian's movie got good to great reviews gave me this urge to crap on its thread. I think every post in this forum is worthy, no matter if you're a dumbass who doesn't know how many singles were released from the Surf's Up LP or if you're an insider. I like Ray's posts, but they're often greeted with (paraphrasing) "Finally someone who knows what hes talking about! You read it folks, this crap about Brian having handlers is total bullshit!". You know, if someone wants to believe that Brian's a manipulated vegetable, so be it. This person doesn't have to be shushed and convinced to cut the crap. Now Debbie Keil enters and leaves in a huff, just like she intended to, and there's this crisis about how we should have nurtured her affiliation. I don't know.

      I take offense at being accused of repeatedly mentioning Brian's mental illness. That's not the case at all, but it doesn't matter. I apologize for my first post and will only post in this thread again after I watch the movie, no matter what the replies are. Estou gordo como uma vaca, como eu fui ficar assim?

      Your opinion is not welcomed here. Pay attention! Certain posters will tell you what you should think and say. If you want to think and say something that is critical of Brian Wilson...don't. It's not welcomed here, unless you can find an honored guest to come on to back you up. Good luck with that. The studio janitors might have some interesting things to say, though.



      That is ridiculous.

      If I'm a "certain poster", I'll address this.

      First, what is the end game exactly? What is the desired result from a reply like this? Spell it out, we'll talk it out. As it appears now, it seems I and others are being accused of not welcoming opinions, and it's getting away from the discussion...distraction? Let's tackle the "something that is critical of Brian Wilson" remark.

      Reminding people reading a thread based on a film *about Brian Wilson's battle with mental health issues* that Brian "still is mentally ill" is not only redundant, but it was unnecessary and in the context of this discussion it struck me as insensitive bordering on insulting, at least I took it as insulting in this context. So I called it out.

      Again, what is the motivation for doing that? Help me understand it, let me know the motivation or the desired end result in reminding everyone who is a Beach Boys fan about this.

      Opinions are fine, right? I'll take the fact over opinion any time and every time, especially in cases where the facts of the story are set in stone and describe exactly what may or may not have happened.

      No one is here to shut out opinions. However, if I'm eating a ham and swiss on rye and you come up to me and tell me you think I'm eating a tuna salad wrap, I'll push back on that "opinion", since it is total nonsense. Some things just are what they are.

      And beyond that, I'd ask why would this guy try to tell me I'm eating a tuna salad wrap when he sees and I know that I'm eating a ham and swiss on rye?

      What is the motivation, what is the desired result. Simple.
      In my case, I was not giving an opinion, I was giving an example. Second, you bring up redundancy. This place is nothing but redundancy. We regurgitate every Beach Boy nuance 20 fold and more. This place is the epitome of redundancy. You know, I apologized, I emailed Billy privately, he spoke with Debbie, we both are good about how things worked out. Can we just leave it? I wouldn't even mind if you take down my posts. Actually, I wish you would. Seriously, this needs to end and editing this thread may be the answer. Thanks!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: puni puni on September 11, 2014, 09:12:09 AM
      It's really interesting how the real life Landy rationalized his actions in a sort of, "Well, blame Brian, not me. He's not keeping me away after all, and if he did, you can bet he wouldn't make it without me." Whereas in current historical accounts, most simplify his motives never beyond "he was a crazy quack". If he's villanous for the sake of being villanous, which nobody is in real life, it does hurt a character in a story. And it seems that may be the case in this film.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 11, 2014, 09:16:06 AM
      Another review:
      http://www.biography.com/news/love-and-mercy-brian-wilson-review


      A passage from that review that stood out: Giamatti plays him as a crazed martinet with a Beatles haircut. While Giamatti insists that he sought to avoid portraying Landy as a cardboard villain, it’s difficult to view this hipster analyst as much more than a sinister, if intermittently comic, impediment to Brian’s eventual triumph over adversity.

      The use of the word "comic" is something to consider. Obviously what actually happened and even worse what could have happened to Brian had actions not been taken as they were is far from a comedic situation. I'm curious to see how the portrayal plays out on screen, because again the entirety of the situation seems so far removed from any notion of comedy that it's tough to see how this reviewer got comedy out of it unless it was done deliberately to lessen the blow of the reality for audiences. Maybe it's that fine line between absurdity and comedy which is being hinted at, where some things in retrospect seem so ridiculous, so absurd, that they become laughable in that absurdity. But is that necessarily "comic"? I'm curious to see.

      Good point but the overarching argument that reviewer seems to make is that Giamatti plays Landy "as a cardboard villain" and cardboard villains do have a tendency having a slightly comic edge to them - think, for example, the Joker in Batman as the ultimate of this. Sure there is no question that what the Joker is doing is positively heinous yet at the same time, the character is so over-the-top villainous that there is a, perhaps, comic edge. Obviously, the Joker is a special example since he comes right out of comic books, but I do think the point does generalize somewhat.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 11, 2014, 09:28:51 AM
      Some people are making a bigger deal than it was with Debbie Keil!! Her intention from the beginning was to post and run! NOBODY RAN HER OFF!

      Again. After reviewing 3-4 times how Dr. Beachboy, Pixeltwin, and others responded to her posts soon afterwards, I really don't see anything wrong or out of the ordinary. And evidently neither did Debbie. Do we have to show respect? Of course! Walk on thin ice, concerned with what we post may be misconstrued or worded slightly off-kilter? Maybe. But my God, understand going in that if you're ultra sensitive with a very thin skin and can't welcome questions, comments or debate (if necessary)  - forget it! Don't bother! Somebody is going to get their feelings hurt. It's a MESSAGE BOARD, not a wamby pamby kiss-butt nicey-nice forum for little girls. I'm sure Ray understands that and he knows we have his back. And like someone said - we're adults here. We know how to act. And we do! We have 3 mods here to remind us of that and we also police our own, ya know? So relax and have fun!
      Thank you Mikey.

      It's "Mikie". Geez, how long have you been on this board? EVERYBODY knows that! What's the matter with you, Dr. Beachboy? And please quit posting as a doctor. You sound more like a quack to me! 56 years old and I'd think you'd know how to spell by now!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 11, 2014, 09:28:51 AM
      It's not like the fact that Brian's movie got good to great reviews gave me this urge to crap on its thread. I think every post in this forum is worthy, no matter if you're a dumbass who doesn't know how many singles were released from the Surf's Up LP or if you're an insider. I like Ray's posts, but they're often greeted with (paraphrasing) "Finally someone who knows what hes talking about! You read it folks, this crap about Brian having handlers is total bullshit!". You know, if someone wants to believe that Brian's a manipulated vegetable, so be it. This person doesn't have to be shushed and convinced to cut the crap. Now Debbie Keil enters and leaves in a huff, just like she intended to, and there's this crisis about how we should have nurtured her affiliation. I don't know.

      I take offense at being accused of repeatedly mentioning Brian's mental illness. That's not the case at all, but it doesn't matter. I apologize for my first post and will only post in this thread again after I watch the movie, no matter what the replies are. Estou gordo como uma vaca, como eu fui ficar assim?

      Your opinion is not welcomed here. Pay attention! Certain posters will tell you what you should think and say. If you want to think and say something that is critical of Brian Wilson...don't. It's not welcomed here, unless you can find an honored guest to come on to back you up. Good luck with that. The studio janitors might have some interesting things to say, though.



      That is ridiculous.

      If I'm a "certain poster", I'll address this.

      First, what is the end game exactly? What is the desired result from a reply like this? Spell it out, we'll talk it out. As it appears now, it seems I and others are being accused of not welcoming opinions, and it's getting away from the discussion...distraction? Let's tackle the "something that is critical of Brian Wilson" remark.

      Reminding people reading a thread based on a film *about Brian Wilson's battle with mental health issues* that Brian "still is mentally ill" is not only redundant, but it was unnecessary and in the context of this discussion it struck me as insensitive bordering on insulting, at least I took it as insulting in this context. So I called it out.

      Again, what is the motivation for doing that? Help me understand it, let me know the motivation or the desired end result in reminding everyone who is a Beach Boys fan about this.

      Opinions are fine, right? I'll take the fact over opinion any time and every time, especially in cases where the facts of the story are set in stone and describe exactly what may or may not have happened.

      No one is here to shut out opinions. However, if I'm eating a ham and swiss on rye and you come up to me and tell me you think I'm eating a tuna salad wrap, I'll push back on that "opinion", since it is total nonsense. Some things just are what they are.

      And beyond that, I'd ask why would this guy try to tell me I'm eating a tuna salad wrap when he sees and I know that I'm eating a ham and swiss on rye?

      What is the motivation, what is the desired result. Simple.
      In my case, I was not giving an opinion, I was giving an example. Second, you bring up redundancy. This place is nothing but redundancy. We regurgitate every Beach Boy nuance 20 fold and more. This place is the epitome of redundancy. You know, I apologized, I emailed Billy privately, he spoke with Debbie, we both are good about how things worked out. Can we just leave it? I wouldn't even mind if you take down my posts. Actually, I wish you would. Seriously, this needs to end and editing this thread may be the answer. Thanks!

      I was absolutely *not* referring to you or anything you wrote, nor was I addressing or even thinking about anything you wrote when I wrote my post quoted above.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 11, 2014, 09:32:51 AM
      Some people are making a bigger deal than it was with Debbie Keil!! Her intention from the beginning was to post and run! NOBODY RAN HER OFF!

      Again. After reviewing 3-4 times how Dr. Beachboy, Pixeltwin, and others responded to her posts soon afterwards, I really don't see anything wrong or out of the ordinary. And evidently neither did Debbie. Do we have to show respect? Of course! Walk on thin ice, concerned with what we post may be misconstrued or worded slightly off-kilter? Maybe. But my God, understand going in that if you're ultra sensitive with a very thin skin and can't welcome questions, comments or debate (if necessary)  - forget it! Don't bother! Somebody is going to get their feelings hurt. It's a MESSAGE BOARD, not a wamby pamby kiss-butt nicey-nice forum for little girls. I'm sure Ray understands that and he knows we have his back. And like someone said - we're adults here. We know how to act. And we do! We have 3 mods here to remind us of that and we also police our own, ya know? So relax and have fun!
      Thank you Mikey.

      It's "Mikie". Geez, how long have you been on this board? EVERYBODY knows that! What's the matter with you, Dr. Beachboy? And please quit posting as a doctor. You sound more like a quack to me! 56 years old and I'd think you'd know how to spell by now!
      I never claimed to be a doctor, Mikie. ;) Thems just my initials, is all. I'm telling you, this thread has me so shook up that I can't even type straight. Sorry for the misspell, Mikie!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Joel Goldenberg on September 11, 2014, 09:36:11 AM
      I'm not going to pretend to know what the last thing translates to in English, so I'll leave it alone.

      It's a key line from Games Two Can Play:

      Bing translator says: I'm as fat as a cow, how did I get like this?"
      Actual lyric: I'm fat as a cow oh how'd I ever get this way






      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 11, 2014, 09:40:01 AM
      Some people are making a bigger deal than it was with Debbie Keil!! Her intention from the beginning was to post and run! NOBODY RAN HER OFF!

      Again. After reviewing 3-4 times how Dr. Beachboy, Pixeltwin, and others responded to her posts soon afterwards, I really don't see anything wrong or out of the ordinary. And evidently neither did Debbie. Do we have to show respect? Of course! Walk on thin ice, concerned with what we post may be misconstrued or worded slightly off-kilter? Maybe. But my God, understand going in that if you're ultra sensitive with a very thin skin and can't welcome questions, comments or debate (if necessary)  - forget it! Don't bother! Somebody is going to get their feelings hurt. It's a MESSAGE BOARD, not a wamby pamby kiss-butt nicey-nice forum for little girls. I'm sure Ray understands that and he knows we have his back. And like someone said - we're adults here. We know how to act. And we do! We have 3 mods here to remind us of that and we also police our own, ya know? So relax and have fun!
      Thank you Mikey.

      It's "Mikie". Geez, how long have you been on this board? EVERYBODY knows that! What's the matter with you, Dr. Beachboy? And please quit posting as a doctor. You sound more like a quack to me! 56 years old and I'd think you'd know how to spell by now!
      I never claimed to be a doctor, Mikie. ;) Thems just my initials, is all. I'm telling you, this thread has me so shook up that I can't even type straight. Sorry for the misspell, Mikie!

      Doc, let it roll off your back. GF and Billy and all of us are with ya, man. VERY small apples. Actually, NO apples. You're starting to fall into that "ultra sensitive" category and we have enough of that already! Sail on.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: joshferrell on September 11, 2014, 09:42:39 AM
      Another review:
      http://www.biography.com/news/love-and-mercy-brian-wilson-review


      A passage from that review that stood out: Giamatti plays him as a crazed martinet with a Beatles haircut. While Giamatti insists that he sought to avoid portraying Landy as a cardboard villain, it’s difficult to view this hipster analyst as much more than a sinister, if intermittently comic, impediment to Brian’s eventual triumph over adversity.

      The use of the word "comic" is something to consider. Obviously what actually happened and even worse what could have happened to Brian had actions not been taken as they were is far from a comedic situation. I'm curious to see how the portrayal plays out on screen, because again the entirety of the situation seems so far removed from any notion of comedy that it's tough to see how this reviewer got comedy out of it unless it was done deliberately to lessen the blow of the reality for audiences. Maybe it's that fine line between absurdity and comedy which is being hinted at, where some things in retrospect seem so ridiculous, so absurd, that they become laughable in that absurdity. But is that necessarily "comic"? I'm curious to see.
      maybe a "Hero's and Villain" type theme with Giamatti? that's the first thing that popped into my head with the mustache and a cardboard villain concept.. just a thought.. heck maybe there are more of these cool hidden song references in the movie...lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 11, 2014, 09:55:15 AM
      Some people are making a bigger deal than it was with Debbie Keil!! Her intention from the beginning was to post and run! NOBODY RAN HER OFF!

      Again. After reviewing 3-4 times how Dr. Beachboy, Pixeltwin, and others responded to her posts soon afterwards, I really don't see anything wrong or out of the ordinary. And evidently neither did Debbie. Do we have to show respect? Of course! Walk on thin ice, concerned with what we post may be misconstrued or worded slightly off-kilter? Maybe. But my God, understand going in that if you're ultra sensitive with a very thin skin and can't welcome questions, comments or debate (if necessary)  - forget it! Don't bother! Somebody is going to get their feelings hurt. It's a MESSAGE BOARD, not a wamby pamby kiss-butt nicey-nice forum for little girls. I'm sure Ray understands that and he knows we have his back. And like someone said - we're adults here. We know how to act. And we do! We have 3 mods here to remind us of that and we also police our own, ya know? So relax and have fun!
      Thank you Mikey.

      It's "Mikie". Geez, how long have you been on this board? EVERYBODY knows that! What's the matter with you, Dr. Beachboy? And please quit posting as a doctor. You sound more like a quack to me! 56 years old and I'd think you'd know how to spell by now!
      I never claimed to be a doctor, Mikie. ;) Thems just my initials, is all. I'm telling you, this thread has me so shook up that I can't even type straight. Sorry for the misspell, Mikie!

      Doc, let it roll off your back. GF and Billy and all of us are with ya, man. VERY small apples. Actually, NO apples. You're starting to fall into that "ultra sensitive" category and we have enough of that already! Sail on.
      Thanks for the pep talk. I'm toughening up again as I write this. :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 11, 2014, 09:59:03 AM
       ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: DonnyL on September 11, 2014, 10:00:54 AM
      I have been reading this thread, but rarely post to the board anymore because I would describe the general vibe to be somewhat hostile. Perhaps this is due to an admittedly small group of very active users displaying a general disrespectful tone. I've seen a lot of very interesting new posters 'chased away' ... I think some people get used to the 'locker room' style of conversing ... 'outsiders' can see it very plainly, but the posters who are 'in it' cannot recognize it, or don't see it as a problem. A little bit of groupthink or something maybe.

      That said, I do feel that most people here are respectful and pleasant. It just seems that the ones who are not are the loudest and post the most often.

      I think the board would be better served to treat others here the way they would treat them in person.

      Considering that is not likely to happen, I think a heavily moderated approach would actually work well, with a non-moderated adjacent board. The brash posters would probably get moved (or banned or whatever) quickly, and/or lose interest in posting so often or change their tone.

      Aside from that, most of the threads going on these days are just plain boring in my opinion (not this one)! I suspect the reasons for the lack of real content are related to the hostile environment.

      Just my 2 cents.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 10:15:04 AM
      I'm not going to pretend to know what the last thing translates to in English, so I'll leave it alone.

      It's a key line from Games Two Can Play:

      Bing translator says: I'm as fat as a cow, how did I get like this?"
      Actual lyric: I'm fat as a cow oh how'd I ever get this way





      Ahh cool...appreciate it. I only speak two languages, English and Music, so it kind of went over my head :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 11, 2014, 10:28:14 AM
       :beer

      I'm at the bar…


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 11, 2014, 10:34:16 AM
      I have been reading this thread, but rarely post to the board anymore because I would describe the general vibe to be somewhat hostile. Perhaps this is due to an admittedly small group of very active users displaying a general disrespectful tone. I've seen a lot of very interesting new posters 'chased away' ... I think some people get used to the 'locker room' style of conversing ... 'outsiders' can see it very plainly, but the posters who are 'in it' cannot recognize it, or don't see it as a problem. A little bit of groupthink or something maybe.

      That said, I do feel that most people here are respectful and pleasant. It just seems that the ones who are not are the loudest and post the most often.

      I think the board would be better served to treat others here the way they would treat them in person.

      Considering that is not likely to happen, I think a heavily moderated approach would actually work well, with a non-moderated adjacent board. The brash posters would probably get moved (or banned or whatever) quickly, and/or lose interest in posting so often or change their tone.

      Aside from that, most of the threads going on these days are just plain boring in my opinion (not this one)! I suspect the reasons for the lack of real content are related to the hostile environment.

      Just my 2 cents.

      Donny. At the risk of derailing this thread, but it's about the third time you've addressed this subject recently.

      Please read my opinions on this subject above, especially concerning sensitive readers/posters, then please let me know what you think, OK?

      My opinion: The board is just fine. The mods are just fine. Adjustments have already been made and it's for the better of everyone here. The world is not a nice place in some areas, but this board serves as somewhat of an escape - a sanctuary as it were. I see this board as a positive environment. I agree with your statement that most threads these days are somewhat boring for lack of real content. It's cyclic. The nature of the board. Soon there will be new stuff and opinions (positive and negative) will fly once more. If you don't like what a specific poster has to say, either skip over it or jump in and counter it with YOUR opinion, instead of hanging back for days/weeks and then whining and complaining about it on the board. Lively discussions are always welcome as far as I'm concerned, otherwise this, like you said, would be a pretty boring place.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 10:58:57 AM
      In the interest to distract people from the negativity, I present the following

      (http://x4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/3772496+_22dcfe62684972c22dafce2376139efe.gif)
      (http://x4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/3772496+_574eb3492d1eccf337c32b474f502b2d.gif)
      (http://x4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/3772496+_fa75f6885c08c51b6ca1437ea0f9d919.gif)
      (http://x4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/3772496+_719ed6786a3b0eb4f1627e770e615639.gif)
      (http://x2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/I+have+a+request+if+it+s+alright.+Make+_a190058747592e041524d1d533601d28.gif)

      Now what were we talking about again?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 11, 2014, 11:03:19 AM
      I love "Card Table Flipping Guy".

      (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Izeif0lNg9E/UQeyjVT4HoI/AAAAAAAAIUg/COJB8JvQftg/s1600/table-flip.gif)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 11:18:09 AM
      :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: DonnyL on September 11, 2014, 11:21:06 AM
      I have been reading this thread, but rarely post to the board anymore because I would describe the general vibe to be somewhat hostile. Perhaps this is due to an admittedly small group of very active users displaying a general disrespectful tone. I've seen a lot of very interesting new posters 'chased away' ... I think some people get used to the 'locker room' style of conversing ... 'outsiders' can see it very plainly, but the posters who are 'in it' cannot recognize it, or don't see it as a problem. A little bit of groupthink or something maybe.

      That said, I do feel that most people here are respectful and pleasant. It just seems that the ones who are not are the loudest and post the most often.

      I think the board would be better served to treat others here the way they would treat them in person.

      Considering that is not likely to happen, I think a heavily moderated approach would actually work well, with a non-moderated adjacent board. The brash posters would probably get moved (or banned or whatever) quickly, and/or lose interest in posting so often or change their tone.

      Aside from that, most of the threads going on these days are just plain boring in my opinion (not this one)! I suspect the reasons for the lack of real content are related to the hostile environment.

      Just my 2 cents.

      Donny. At the risk of derailing this thread, but it's about the third time you've addressed this subject recently.

      Please read my opinions on this subject above, especially concerning sensitive readers/posters, then please let me know what you think, OK?

      My opinion: The board is just fine. The mods are just fine. Adjustments have already been made and it's for the better of everyone here. The world is not a nice place in some areas, but this board serves as somewhat of an escape - a sanctuary as it were. I see this board as a positive environment. I agree with your statement that most threads these days are somewhat boring for lack of real content. It's cyclic. The nature of the board. Soon there will be new stuff and opinions (positive and negative) will fly once more. If you don't like what a specific poster has to say, either skip over it or jump in and counter it with YOUR opinion, instead of hanging back for days/weeks and then whining and complaining about it on the board. Lively discussions are always welcome as far as I'm concerned, otherwise this, like you said, would be a pretty boring place.

      Sure man -- I'm with you to some degree. Yes, I've brought it up before ... probably the last posts I've made over the past few months. Because I think it's important.

      Where we disagree is the idea that the board is in good shape -- I don't think it is. I don't really consider myself a 'sensitive poster' ... I can pretty much hang with the weird locker room $hit, though ultimately I don't really like that kind of atmosphere.

      Every time I've brought it up is when I see something going on as an observer, not as a participant. I've seen it happen so many times now, that you're right -- it's probably pointless to bring it up again. It's not like I'm on some crusade to clean up the board. It's basically that I don't post unless I feel I have something of value to add. And in threads like these, I see something begin that could lead to wonderful content and information, only for it to be derailed into weirdness.

      So maybe Debbie Keil just came to say a few words and leave. But I can't help but wonder if her experiences here (past or present) were different, she may have hung out a little longer.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 11:30:58 AM
      I asked her directly, and she wasn't going to be posting any more apart from that for entirely different reasons. Has nothing to do with any posts here...promise you guys this.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 11, 2014, 11:48:39 AM
      Happy days then..

      Movies good, it's coming out soon

      All is right in the world of BB's


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 11, 2014, 12:00:44 PM
      I have been reading this thread, but rarely post to the board anymore because I would describe the general vibe to be somewhat hostile. Perhaps this is due to an admittedly small group of very active users displaying a general disrespectful tone. I've seen a lot of very interesting new posters 'chased away' ... I think some people get used to the 'locker room' style of conversing ... 'outsiders' can see it very plainly, but the posters who are 'in it' cannot recognize it, or don't see it as a problem. A little bit of groupthink or something maybe.

      That said, I do feel that most people here are respectful and pleasant. It just seems that the ones who are not are the loudest and post the most often.

      I think the board would be better served to treat others here the way they would treat them in person.

      Considering that is not likely to happen, I think a heavily moderated approach would actually work well, with a non-moderated adjacent board. The brash posters would probably get moved (or banned or whatever) quickly, and/or lose interest in posting so often or change their tone.

      Aside from that, most of the threads going on these days are just plain boring in my opinion (not this one)! I suspect the reasons for the lack of real content are related to the hostile environment.

      Just my 2 cents.

      Donny. At the risk of derailing this thread, but it's about the third time you've addressed this subject recently.

      Please read my opinions on this subject above, especially concerning sensitive readers/posters, then please let me know what you think, OK?

      My opinion: The board is just fine. The mods are just fine. Adjustments have already been made and it's for the better of everyone here. The world is not a nice place in some areas, but this board serves as somewhat of an escape - a sanctuary as it were. I see this board as a positive environment. I agree with your statement that most threads these days are somewhat boring for lack of real content. It's cyclic. The nature of the board. Soon there will be new stuff and opinions (positive and negative) will fly once more. If you don't like what a specific poster has to say, either skip over it or jump in and counter it with YOUR opinion, instead of hanging back for days/weeks and then whining and complaining about it on the board. Lively discussions are always welcome as far as I'm concerned, otherwise this, like you said, would be a pretty boring place.

      Sure man -- I'm with you to some degree. Yes, I've brought it up before ... probably the last posts I've made over the past few months. Because I think it's important.

      Where we disagree is the idea that the board is in good shape -- I don't think it is. I don't really consider myself a 'sensitive poster' ... I can pretty much hang with the weird locker room $hit, though ultimately I don't really like that kind of atmosphere.

      Every time I've brought it up is when I see something going on as an observer, not as a participant. I've seen it happen so many times now, that you're right -- it's probably pointless to bring it up again. It's not like I'm on some crusade to clean up the board. It's basically that I don't post unless I feel I have something of value to add. And in threads like these, I see something begin that could lead to wonderful content and information, only for it to be derailed into weirdness.

      So maybe Debbie Keil just came to say a few words and leave. But I can't help but wonder if her experiences here (past or present) were different, she may have hung out a little longer.

      I'm with ya, Donny.  You know, The Bay Area contingent should be on the same wavelength, and I think we are in agreement for the most part.

      Only a handful (or less) of you guys here have the extensive knowledge of recording equipment (especially analog) and the recording process, and how Brian and Chuck Britz and Larry Levine tracked and mixed records. Maybe you can start a new thread or rejuvenate an old one on the subject. I, for one, enjoy the hell out of reading that stuff. Have somewhat limited knowledge, but would like to know more! Use to enjoy Josh's contributions on the subject, but unfortunately it looks like he bailed. I don't think you'd see much arguing going on on a thread like that! c :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 11, 2014, 12:10:43 PM
      It's basically that I don't post unless I feel I have something of value to add.

      Would that some other posters would adopt such a credo...

      Quote
      So maybe Debbie Keil just came to say a few words and leave. But I can't help but wonder if her experiences here (past or present) were different, she may have hung out a little longer.

      I think she may well have. But now, we'll never know. I may be as abrasive at times, usually more so, but only to those who deserve it by what they post: thankfully the three prime offenders have either been banned or have left. This board's getting a rep as a place to avoid, and I can completely understand that.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 11, 2014, 12:30:34 PM
      Mikie, Donny, Andrew, ♯♫♩♬, Pixeltwin, DRBeachBoy, Shady, everyone… this round's on me, watcha having?

      :beer


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 11, 2014, 12:43:57 PM
      Mikie, Donny, Andrew, ♯♫♩♬, Pixeltwin, DRBeachBoy, Shady, everyone… this round's on me, watcha having?

      :beer

      As long as you're footing the bill, whatia recommend, John? Today, I'll have a Mendocino Red Tail or Blue Heron Pale Ale.  There's a lotta IPA's out there right now, but I'll stick with Sierra, Mendocino, or a Blue Moon for now.  I also like a Tsingtao or Sapporo one in awhile with some good Thai food on the side.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: rab2591 on September 11, 2014, 12:52:45 PM
      (http://www.cool-story.com/userfiles/bud-light.jpg)

      Next round is on me! I snuck into Club Kokomo last night and picked up some real beer for us to enjoy. ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 12:57:12 PM
      I don't drink, but raise a glass in my honor!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 11, 2014, 01:07:12 PM
      What do you recommend goes with Chicken McNuggets?  ???


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 11, 2014, 01:14:39 PM
      What do you recommend goes with Chicken McNuggets?  ???

      A warm Bud Light.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Peter Reum on September 11, 2014, 01:16:59 PM
      Mental illness is real, and for those who struggle with it, it is a daily mountain that has to be climbed, just to function like everyday society. Having a disability only makes you stronger. That is what I hear Debbie saying.  Ray is a saint. He has devoted many years of his life to supporting Brian, no matter what the circumstances. The movie cannot tell the whole story. The truth is so much BIGGER than that.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 01:30:54 PM
      What do you recommend goes with Chicken McNuggets?  ???
      an enema?

      :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 11, 2014, 01:45:24 PM
      What do you recommend goes with Chicken McNuggets?  ???
      an enema?

      :lol

      And that, folks, brings us back to Brian!  :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 11, 2014, 02:11:11 PM
      What do you recommend goes with Chicken McNuggets?  ???

      A warm Bud Light.

      Gppd (aka rel) ales should be served at room temp.

      Today's recommendation is, unexpectedly, Thwaites' Wainwright, currently being brewed by Marstons on Thwaites' behalf.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 11, 2014, 02:27:24 PM
      Mental illness is real, and for those who struggle with it, it is a daily mountain that has to be climbed, just to function like everyday society. Having a disability only makes you stronger. That is what I hear Debbie saying.  Ray os a saint. He has devoted many years of his life to supporting Brian, no matter what the circumstances. The movie cannot tell the whole story. The truth is so much BIGGER than that.

      Peter; thats very nice of you to say , you can cash my check now !  My ex wife will correctly argue otherwise....the only thing in her entire existence she would be correct about I might add......on that note I will join John Manning at the bar


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 11, 2014, 02:37:47 PM
      Off topic.  ;D

      Interview with actors from the movie.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKlj33Xp7wo


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
      ....is the bar located here?

      (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/files/2013/03/CityOfKokomo1.jpg)

      No truth to the rumor that the deputy mayor is Sam Sleeptight.


      *cough*



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 02:47:15 PM
      Off topic.  ;D

      Interview with actors from the movie.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKlj33Xp7wo

      Pet Sessions? Part X? Ummm...yeah. :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mark H on September 11, 2014, 03:46:23 PM
      It's pretty clear in a lot of threads here that people don't post how they would talk to someone in real life.  Standard internet forum behaviour.

      I'd be up for more/stronger action on people who are clearly being offensive and rude to others.  This is not needed and you can just ignore it but, as Donnie rightly says, it does serve to lessen, derail and ultimately prevent the more interesting conversations.

      Can't wait for the first trailer, mine's a Guiness John, Cheers!  :beer


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 11, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
      It's pretty clear in a lot of threads here that people don't post how they would talk to someone in real life.  Standard internet forum behaviour.

      I'd be up for more/stronger action on people who are clearly being offensive and rude to others.  This is not needed and you can just ignore it but, as Donnie rightly says, it does serve to lessen, derail and ultimately prevent the more interesting conversations.

      Can't wait for the first trailer, mine's a Guiness John, Cheers!  :beer

      His name is spelt "Donny".  And I'm "Mikie".  And you're..........."Marky" or "Markie"?  Glad to meet you.  :-D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 11, 2014, 04:04:54 PM
      Off topic.  ;D

      Interview with actors from the movie.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKlj33Xp7wo

      It's very cool to hear John and Paul talking about what I assume is "Tune X" .

      They really did their homework


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 11, 2014, 04:14:25 PM
      Incredible, 5 star BBC review

      http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140911-beach-boys-film-a-miracle (http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140911-beach-boys-film-a-miracle)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 11, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
      Lagunitas Little Sumpin', please

      (http://www.totalwine.com/_static/webupload/730/3_112731126_3.jpg)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 11, 2014, 04:31:52 PM
      Ray likes Stella Artois. Upon his recommendation, I brought a 6-er home a few weekends ago and tried one. I'll save the rest for when I show up on his doorstep with it. Ray, are you still accepting visitors?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 11, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
      Ray likes Stella Artois. Upon his recommendation, I brought a 6-er home a few weekends ago and tried one. I'll save the rest for when I show up on his doorstep with it. Ray, are you still accepting visitors?

      If you're serving Stella, Mikie, you need to get the Stella glass. It's designed specifically for enhancing the flavor of Stella. I have one, got it when I bought a case for a party a few years ago.

      I'm still waiting on my Hoegaarden glass to arrive in the mail, the one I supposedly "won" online.  ::)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mark H on September 11, 2014, 04:35:44 PM
      It's pretty clear in a lot of threads here that people don't post how they would talk to someone in real life.  Standard internet forum behaviour.

      I'd be up for more/stronger action on people who are clearly being offensive and rude to others.  This is not needed and you can just ignore it but, as Donnie rightly says, it does serve to lessen, derail and ultimately prevent the more interesting conversations.

      Can't wait for the first trailer, mine's a Guiness John, Cheers!  :beer

      His name is spelt "Donny".  And I'm "Mikie".  And you're..........."Marky" or "Markie"?  Glad to meet you.  :-D

       :lol  Marky!  Cheers and likewise!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 11, 2014, 04:37:52 PM
      This board's getting a rep as a place to avoid, and I can completely understand that.

      This is something to be concerned about and address going forward. If it's not something for public viewing, anyone please feel free to contact me via private message or off the board to discuss the issues behind this.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
      Same here. I'm pretty approachable. ..i dont bite (unless you're made of food)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 11, 2014, 04:57:09 PM
      This board's getting a rep as a place to avoid, and I can completely understand that.

      This is something to be concerned about and address going forward. If it's not something for public viewing, anyone please feel free to contact me via private message or off the board to discuss the issues behind this.

      I think it's a blunt over reaction.  Those who choose to avoid the forum due to it's nature will avoid it while those who enjoy the temperament of the forum will continue to peruse it.  It's really no different from any other forum on the internet if you plot it on a bell curve.  You have a group of individuals all with opinions, being allowed to express those opinions (within the bounds of societal norms and good taste) freely.  You have some forum members who are more sensitive to criticism than others and then you have other forum members who feel the need to shout down the viewpoints of others at a regular clip.  Fortunately the moderators have done a bang up job of weeding out the individuals that occupy the second group.

      In between these two extremes, you have the vast majority of the forum.  People who congregate here in hopes of exchanging ideas, sharing their passion over a common interest and generally having a good time.  The thing to remember at least in my opinion is that this isn't rocket science.  We are discussing a rock and roll band and our feelings regarding almost every aspect of said band.  We aren't looking to bloody noses or to provoke fights just for the sake of doing so.  We have passionate debates that like on any other internet forum can become adversarial in nature due to the aforementioned personalities of the parties involved.  There is nothing inherently extraordinary about this forum as far as that is concerned.  

      If forum members are taking personal offense to another forum members actions then that is something that needs to be worked out preferably between the two parties involved.  More times than not it's the interaction between individual parties (which can oftentimes resolved amicably) and not the temperature of the entire forum which is the issue at hand.  To put it in layman's terms, some people are like "oil and water" and would be best not addressing each other on a public forum after it has been determined that more times than not any interaction between the parties results in conflict that derails the rest of the forum and brings the temperature in the room down to an icy chill.  This again goes back to what I mentioned about the other day about us all being adults and not needing a lecture from other forum members on how to conduct ourselves or compose our forum messages.  We should have all by now mastered the art of basic social interaction and as such are aware of the social boundaries that exist in terms of how to address one another.  The old phrases "attack the issue, not the person" and "don't say anything over a keyboard that you wouldn't say to someone's face" are extremely appropriate here.  Furthermore more times than not it's patently obvious when somebody crosses these social boundaries and those issues are the ones that should be dealt with through moderation in hopes of preserving the forum.  

      However, in the main most issues that arise within the forum itself can be worked out between the dissenting parties.  Either through agreeing to disagree, the tacit knowledge that you can disagree with a person's viewpoints on a matter but still value the person themselves or simply avoiding forum members with whom you know you are likely to find conflict with.  We have what almost 3,000 members here?  Surely we can all find someone (if not many people) we enjoy conversing with.  

      In summation the sky is not falling, the surf will undoubtedly continue to rise and fall and Mike Love will continue to be true to his school.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 05:09:15 PM
      ^ Well said John


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: startBBtoday on September 11, 2014, 06:03:35 PM
      Not saying anyone needs to treat the special guests with kid gloves or anything, but I think it's fair to say that most aren't exactly experienced message board users, so it's probably going to rub them the wrong way to use an attacking tone in a reply. And I took a couple of the responses to Debbie's posts as attacking, even if they weren't intended that way, so it's entirely possible and probable that she did too.

      As someone who doesn't post often but reads this message board every day, I think the new information that special guests bring is very special. And it's something that most users with an outside view don't bring. Of course, posters with an outside view make this board readable on a daily basis.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: DonnyL on September 11, 2014, 06:17:34 PM
      I have been reading this thread, but rarely post to the board anymore because I would describe the general vibe to be somewhat hostile. Perhaps this is due to an admittedly small group of very active users displaying a general disrespectful tone. I've seen a lot of very interesting new posters 'chased away' ... I think some people get used to the 'locker room' style of conversing ... 'outsiders' can see it very plainly, but the posters who are 'in it' cannot recognize it, or don't see it as a problem. A little bit of groupthink or something maybe.

      That said, I do feel that most people here are respectful and pleasant. It just seems that the ones who are not are the loudest and post the most often.

      I think the board would be better served to treat others here the way they would treat them in person.

      Considering that is not likely to happen, I think a heavily moderated approach would actually work well, with a non-moderated adjacent board. The brash posters would probably get moved (or banned or whatever) quickly, and/or lose interest in posting so often or change their tone.

      Aside from that, most of the threads going on these days are just plain boring in my opinion (not this one)! I suspect the reasons for the lack of real content are related to the hostile environment.

      Just my 2 cents.

      Donny. At the risk of derailing this thread, but it's about the third time you've addressed this subject recently.

      Please read my opinions on this subject above, especially concerning sensitive readers/posters, then please let me know what you think, OK?

      My opinion: The board is just fine. The mods are just fine. Adjustments have already been made and it's for the better of everyone here. The world is not a nice place in some areas, but this board serves as somewhat of an escape - a sanctuary as it were. I see this board as a positive environment. I agree with your statement that most threads these days are somewhat boring for lack of real content. It's cyclic. The nature of the board. Soon there will be new stuff and opinions (positive and negative) will fly once more. If you don't like what a specific poster has to say, either skip over it or jump in and counter it with YOUR opinion, instead of hanging back for days/weeks and then whining and complaining about it on the board. Lively discussions are always welcome as far as I'm concerned, otherwise this, like you said, would be a pretty boring place.

      Sure man -- I'm with you to some degree. Yes, I've brought it up before ... probably the last posts I've made over the past few months. Because I think it's important.

      Where we disagree is the idea that the board is in good shape -- I don't think it is. I don't really consider myself a 'sensitive poster' ... I can pretty much hang with the weird locker room $hit, though ultimately I don't really like that kind of atmosphere.

      Every time I've brought it up is when I see something going on as an observer, not as a participant. I've seen it happen so many times now, that you're right -- it's probably pointless to bring it up again. It's not like I'm on some crusade to clean up the board. It's basically that I don't post unless I feel I have something of value to add. And in threads like these, I see something begin that could lead to wonderful content and information, only for it to be derailed into weirdness.

      So maybe Debbie Keil just came to say a few words and leave. But I can't help but wonder if her experiences here (past or present) were different, she may have hung out a little longer.

      I'm with ya, Donny.  You know, The Bay Area contingent should be on the same wavelength, and I think we are in agreement for the most part.

      Only a handful (or less) of you guys here have the extensive knowledge of recording equipment (especially analog) and the recording process, and how Brian and Chuck Britz and Larry Levine tracked and mixed records. Maybe you can start a new thread or rejuvenate an old one on the subject. I, for one, enjoy the hell out of reading that stuff. Have somewhat limited knowledge, but would like to know more! Use to enjoy Josh's contributions on the subject, but unfortunately it looks like he bailed. I don't think you'd see much arguing going on on a thread like that! c :)

      Yes, those kinds of threads are a good example of what I'm talking about. They were basically a few of us asking a bunch of questions, coming up with a bunch of theories, and kind of not really getting anywhere ... because some of the people who may have the answers are not posting. Yes, there are many reasons beyond the tone of board, but I really believe that is part of it.

      If I ever come up with any great info ... regarding questions like, 'Where was Pet Sounds mixed?' (such a basic question!), I will surely start a thread about it. I did notice in one of the photos from the 'Love and Mercy' movie, they got the Columbia 8-track tape machine correct -- which is quite a feat. It was custom made from Ampex PR-10/354 stereo electronics mated to a 300 transport -- a one-off. So they either got the original machine, or created one from parts. Possible that Columbia made more than one of these, or that some other person/studio made one in the same way, so don't bet any money that it's the original machine!

      PS - I'm in Portland, OR now. I sure do miss Oakland/SF/Berkeley ... even San Leandro!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Cyncie on September 11, 2014, 06:26:42 PM
      I do think the tone of the board can be a bit snarky. I've been here for a few years but have a relatively low post count because I just don't feel like engaging in mud slinging over my favorite band. A simple statement like "I don't really care for X" gets you 10 people insisting that you must not be a "real fan."  There's nothing wrong with having opposing opinions. There's also nothing wrong with treating each other with respect while expressing them.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 11, 2014, 06:35:51 PM
      Before I begin I want to state for the record that what I'm about to post should not be viewed as a personal attack of any sort and I am merely using your post as a jumping off point as you do raise a number of good issues.

      Not saying anyone needs to treat the special guests with kid gloves or anything, but I think it's fair to say that most aren't exactly experienced message board users

      If you could identity the party that is to blame for this (if any) it would be helpful in finding a resolution to the issue at hand.  The problem is I personally am not sure if there is a guilty party in this matter.  We live in the age in which communication over a keyboard is becoming more and more the norm and a skill that many more people are becoming adept at than not. While I have sympathy and understanding for the novice, when you enter the forum you should at least have some understanding as to how internet forums in general function.  If anything you should realize that they are not always accurate predictors of social interaction but more of a social brainstorming for lack of a better term where people ask questions, debate and interact with one another in hopes of furthering discussion of the topic at hand.


      Quote
      And I took a couple of the responses to Debbie's posts as attacking, even if they weren't intended that way, so it's entirely possible and probable that she did too.

      This is where subjectivity comes into play.  When speaking of individual personalities that comprise a group it's impossible to dilute the entire group down to the lowest common denominator where everyone addresses everyone else in a type of manner which could be agreed upon by all members of the group as being non-offensive.  "Treating others the way you wish to be treated yourself" is good advice but what it does not allow for is the notion of subjectivity which demonstrates what one might find a perfectly acceptable means of conversing could very easily strike another as a post which is of an antagonizing nature.  Therefore what satisfies one forum member will more often than not fail to satisfy the next.  Which is why these situations are best taken at face value and can be analyzed as individual cases rather than painting these situations with a wide brush.  

      Quote
      As someone who doesn't post often but reads this message board every day, I think the new information that special guests bring is very special. And it's something that most users with an outside view don't bring. Of course, posters with an outside view make this board readable on a daily basis.

      You bring up two very good points here.  First hand knowledge is important and should be regarded as such.  It allows the forum members to access concrete knowledge and answers to questions which otherwise may be left up for speculation and opinion.  However one of the hallmarks of being able to learn from one another as a group is the ability for the members of the forum to question matters which to them don't make sense or don't jive with their viewpoints on the matter.  While knowledge is indeed power, what is in fact more powerful is the opportunity to question that knowledge in hopes of accessing truth.  Essentially one entity doesn't exist without the other.  There is of course a distinct difference between questioning someone's opinions or statements and questioning just to antagonize another party.  But once again, the differences between these two forms of questioning are usually quite evident right from the very start.  

      Edit: And with that I think I'm done with this discussion as I probably haven't told anyone anything they didn't already know.  Apologies in advance for any feathers I may have ruffled in this thread as the song goes: "I sure don't wanna hurt no one"


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on September 11, 2014, 07:25:04 PM
      Don't know if this has been posted yet, interview from the Variety YouTube channel:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBbHzjkQZzY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBbHzjkQZzY)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mark H. on September 11, 2014, 07:55:04 PM
      Some times it's just better to listen than be heard.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 11, 2014, 07:59:35 PM
      Can we just for a moment appreciate that we have this unbelievably active and up to to the second with news message board to discuss our favorite band. Few artists have a message board about them this good, actually barley any.

      It's genuinely a pleasure to post here and I would never let a snide comment or whatever stop me from coming on here every day.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 11, 2014, 08:19:18 PM
      Ray likes Stella Artois. Upon his recommendation, I brought a 6-er home a few weekends ago and tried one. I'll save the rest for when I show up on his doorstep with it. Ray, are you still accepting visitors?
      Absolutely


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: startBBtoday on September 11, 2014, 08:27:53 PM
      Before I begin I want to state for the record that what I'm about to post should not be viewed as a personal attack of any sort and I am merely using your post as a jumping off point as you do raise a number of good issues.

      Not saying anyone needs to treat the special guests with kid gloves or anything, but I think it's fair to say that most aren't exactly experienced message board users

      If you could identity the party that is to blame for this (if any) it would be helpful in finding a resolution to the issue at hand.  The problem is I personally am not sure if there is a guilty party in this matter.  We live in the age in which communication over a keyboard is becoming more and more the norm and a skill that many more people are becoming adept at than not. While I have sympathy and understanding for the novice, when you enter the forum you should at least have some understanding as to how internet forums in general function.  If anything you should realize that they are not always accurate predictors of social interaction but more of a social brainstorming for lack of a better term where people ask questions, debate and interact with one another in hopes of furthering discussion of the topic at hand.

      These:
      Brian makes music.  Does he also have to be his own attorney to make some of you happy?  He's not some little nobody.  What we love that Brian produces involves financial and legal issues.  I'm glad he leaves these thing to professionals in those arenas. Let's leave this to the grown-ups, okay?
      Now, I am not saying this to be smarta**, but why are you taking offense at something I stated that the other Beach Boys did/do that Brian does not? Are/Were they not composers/musicians/band members too? I was just stating the difference of what we are/were used to with the band versus the way Brian does things. I'm making no judgments here, just stating the differences.

      ...Let's leave this to the grown-ups, okay?

      You had me up until this point. Not sure why the condescension is needed to make your point.

      Quote
      And I took a couple of the responses to Debbie's posts as attacking, even if they weren't intended that way, so it's entirely possible and probable that she did too.

      This is where subjectivity comes into play.  When speaking of individual personalities that comprise a group it's impossible to dilute the entire group down to the lowest common denominator where everyone addresses everyone else in a type of manner which could be agreed upon by all members of the group as being non-offensive.  "Treating others the way you wish to be treated yourself" is good advice but what it does not allow for is the notion of subjectivity which demonstrates what one might find a perfectly acceptable means of conversing could very easily strike another as a post which is of an antagonizing nature.  Therefore what satisfies one forum member will more often than not fail to satisfy the next.  Which is why these situations are best taken at face value and can be analyzed as individual cases rather than painting these situations with a wide brush.  

      I was far from the only person that took those posts as "attacking," so I'm not sure if your "lowest common denominator" example really works here.

      And it's not very difficult to be subjective when the poster we're talking about is Debbie Kell. Is it really that hard for someone to go out of their way to be respectful if we want another person to stick around?

      Quote
      As someone who doesn't post often but reads this message board every day, I think the new information that special guests bring is very special. And it's something that most users with an outside view don't bring. Of course, posters with an outside view make this board readable on a daily basis.

      You bring up two very good points here.  First hand knowledge is important and should be regarded as such.  It allows the forum members to access concrete knowledge and answers to questions which otherwise may be left up for speculation and opinion.  However one of the hallmarks of being able to learn from one another as a group is the ability for the members of the forum to question matters which to them don't make sense or don't jive with their viewpoints on the matter.  While knowledge is indeed power, what is in fact more powerful is the opportunity to question that knowledge in hopes of accessing truth.  Essentially one entity doesn't exist without the other.  There is of course a distinct difference between questioning someone's opinions or statements and questioning just to antagonize another party.  But once again, the differences between these two forms of questioning are usually quite evident right from the very start.  

      Edit: And with that I think I'm done with this discussion as I probably haven't told anyone anything they didn't already know.  Apologies in advance for any feathers I may have ruffled in this thread as the song goes: "I sure don't wanna hurt no one"

      Do you know what's more powerful than the opportunity to question? Allowing someone to stick around for more than four posts to acquire more knowledge.

      You're not impressing or convincing anyone when you write a novel and then act like you're too proud to reply to a response.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2014, 08:49:47 PM
      Alright...this has gone on long enough. Please take the disagreements to PM, please. There's exciting things heading our way, and let's concentrate on that, shall we?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 11, 2014, 08:57:35 PM
      Alright...this has gone on long enough. Please take the disagreements to PM, please.

       :woot


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 11, 2014, 10:44:19 PM
      Incredible, 5 star BBC review

      http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140911-beach-boys-film-a-miracle (http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140911-beach-boys-film-a-miracle)

      Quote
      BBC Worldwide (International Site)
      We're sorry but this site is not accessible from the UK as it is part of our international service and is not funded by the licence fee. It is run commercially by BBC Worldwide, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC, the profits made from it go back to BBC programme-makers to help fund great new BBC programmes. You can find out more about BBC Worldwide and its digital activities at www.bbcworldwide.com.

      Well, gosh darn…


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 11, 2014, 10:58:46 PM
      Incredible, 5 star BBC review

      http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140911-beach-boys-film-a-miracle (http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140911-beach-boys-film-a-miracle)

      Quote
      BBC Worldwide (International Site)
      We're sorry but this site is not accessible from the UK as it is part of our international service and is not funded by the licence fee. It is run commercially by BBC Worldwide, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC, the profits made from it go back to BBC programme-makers to help fund great new BBC programmes. You can find out more about BBC Worldwide and its digital activities at www.bbcworldwide.com.

      Well, gosh darn…

      Allow me....

      The allure of a big-screen biographical drama is simple and almost childlike: in our dream scenario, we're not just watching a movie – we're stepping into a time machine until we're in the presence of Abe Lincoln, Jim Morrison or Mozart. Yet the reason biopics have always fought for respectability – when they so often seem corny – is that few of them truly transport us into the past. The actors rarely look exactly like the people they're playing; the storylines waver between the specific and the generic. Overall, they're just not that authentic.

      Once in a while, though, you see a biopic that brings off something miraculous, that recreates a famous person's life with so much care that the immersion we seek is achieved. When you watch Love & Mercy, a drama about Brian Wilson, the angelic yet haunted genius of The Beach Boys, you feel like you're right there in the studio with him as he creates Pet Sounds. And it's a little like sitting next to Beethoven: the film is tender and moving, but also awe-inspiring. Paul Dano, the audacious young actor from There Will Be Blood and Little Miss Sunshine, plays Wilson in the mid-1960s, when he was becoming the greatest creative force in American pop music. The moment we see Dano in the film's daringly off-kilter opening shot, which is just Brian noodling around at the piano and talking to himself, the actor seems to transform into Wilson's very being. The pale, cute moon face, the smile with a hint of a grimace, the disarming spaciness – this isn't just acting, it's channeling of a very high order.

      It gets around

      Love & Mercy was co-written by Oren Moverman (along with Michael A Lerner), the co-writer of Todd Haynes' Bob Dylan fantasia I'm Not There; and it was directed by Bill Pohlad, who has mostly been a producer (of films like 12 Years a Slave, Into the Wild and Brokeback Mountain). Together, these two have come up with an innovative structure that takes on a haunting resonance. Dano plays Brian at the pivotal moment when he’d climbed to his artistic peak but, through a combination of drug use and commercial pressures began to break down. The film cuts back and forth between this inspiring and tragic saga and scenes set 20 years later, when Brian is played by John Cusack as the wreck he had become. He has placed himself under the constant care of Dr Eugene Landy (Paul Giamatti), a hustler and psychological guru who has succeeded in drawing Brian out of the depths of his depression (he'd spent three years in bed). But Landy has also, in effect, made Brian his meal ticket and prisoner, doping him up on pharmaceutical drugs. This latter-day Brian has been ‘rescued’, but only as a zombie – that is, until the day he goes shopping for a Cadillac and meets Melinda (Elizabeth Banks), who sells cars in the showroom. The two begin to date, because she sees the loving soul beneath Brian’s sadness.

      It's jarring, at first, to have Wilson played by two actors. You could argue that it doesn't entirely work, since Dano, who has always been an inspired space cadet, inhabits the role as if born to it, while Cusack, dialing down his usual verbal precocity, simply doesn't look – or feel – like Brian Wilson in quite the same way: when Cusack is on screen, we're out of the time machine, back on more conventional biopic ground. Yet as staged, the story of what happened to Wilson in the '80s is still a marvel of tenderness, discovery and even suspense. Can Melinda pry Brian out of the clutches of Landy, played by Giamatti as a dictator in healer's clothing who will destroy Brian in order to save him? Cusack gives a richly subtle and moving performance, showing us an incomparable artist who's been shattered to pieces. And we want to know: how, exactly, did that happen?

      Tuned in

      Love & Mercy offers up the answer with delicate fascination and insight. Early on, Dano's Brian tells the other Beach Boys that he wants to stop touring with them and retreat into the recording studio.

      It's a surprisingly squashed and narrow space, and as Brian records all the backing tracks, Dano is almost goofy with eagerness, his eyes popping wide, his face split by a crooked grin of joy. His performance shows that Brian was in fact a mere boy when he created his masterpiece. He was only 23, but psychologically he was younger, a kid playing with the ultimate train set.

      It's when the Beach Boys return from touring, and get ready to lay down the album's vocal tracks, that conflict sets in. Mike Love, portrayed with likable vigour by Jake Abel, leads the charge against Brian: he doesn't get this dreamy slow music dipped in gorgeous LA twilight. "Even his happy songs are sad!" rails Love. And, of course, he's right: on Pet Sounds, Brian combined happiness with sadness and transformed them into the sublime. But when the album turns out to be a commercial disappointment, superficially vindicating Love's hostility toward it, Brian becomes unhinged.

      The film offers a complex view of what derailed him. It follows Wilson through his piano-in-the-sandbox phase, shows how he pulled himself together to record Good Vibrations and finally, after that song's extraordinary success, it tracks his heartbreaking descent into the insanity of the Smile sessions. Each time the film cuts from Dano to Cusack, the double casting feels more right: it reveals that Brian Wilson, once he'd lost his music, lost himself. He was a different person. Love & Mercy captures how a great American artist created the musical equivalent of grace, then fell from it, yet somehow found himself – and grace – again.

      ★★★★★


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 11, 2014, 11:09:09 PM
      Well, gosh darn…

      Alan ! Good to see you: watch out, it can get feisty here...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 11, 2014, 11:33:20 PM
      Prettie Funkie, y'r a star!

      I wonder if the BBc is integrated sufficiently well to take note of its own film reviews and snap this film up for the small screen (probably to be shown as part of some 2am early morning highbrow arts series for people who don't need jobs…).


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mike's Beard on September 11, 2014, 11:56:57 PM
      Ray likes Stella Artois. Upon his recommendation, I brought a 6-er home a few weekends ago and tried one. I'll save the rest for when I show up on his doorstep with it. Ray, are you still accepting visitors?

      Careful with that stuff Mikie. In the UK we call it "Stella-act-a-twat", 'cos 5 pints and you'll be acting like one. Regular wife beating juice.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 12, 2014, 12:30:49 AM
      Well, gosh darn…

      Alan ! Good to see you: watch out, it can get feisty here...

      :lol

      So, it was John Manning who sang Daddy Dear!!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: buddhahat on September 12, 2014, 01:34:03 AM
      This board's getting a rep as a place to avoid, and I can completely understand that.

      This is something to be concerned about and address going forward. If it's not something for public viewing, anyone please feel free to contact me via private message or off the board to discuss the issues behind this.

      I think an atmosphere of snarkyness has developed. I've been as my much of a part of it as any so I'm not going to point any fingers. People here are passionate and the board has always had a casual attitude to moderation so I think a more 'locker room' atmosphere was inevitable and I appreciate it suits many here. The mods devote significant amounts of their time to this place for free so I hope this doesn't come across as a criticism of them - that's not my intention.

       I have been posting a lot at the Hoffman board recently. I used to moan about the heavy handed moderation there. Hoffman has a brand to maintain and the 'gorts' don't tolerate any behaviour that might be deemed negative. Therefore if the slightest row erupts hoffman law is hammered down, posts are removed and threads are locked. Granted, this doesn't do wonders for freedom of speech but, coupled with the 'like' function, the board does feel extremely friendly. People are very civil towards one another and most threads have an overall positive tone. I have to say, it's a fun place to discuss music.

      Perhaps this place might benefit from two separate boards, one that is more 'locker room' and another that is much more heavily moderated with a zero tolerance stance on rudeness, rows, whatever. At the very least you'd decrease the amount of threads that get bogged down in negativity, and it might attract some interesting insider types too.

       I appreciate this would be much more work for the mods and probably a nightmare to intitate, but for what it's worth and as guitarfool asked, those are my 2c.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: jeffcdo on September 12, 2014, 03:22:41 AM
      Buddhahat makes some really great points here.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 12, 2014, 04:56:01 AM
      This board's getting a rep as a place to avoid, and I can completely understand that.

      This is something to be concerned about and address going forward. If it's not something for public viewing, anyone please feel free to contact me via private message or off the board to discuss the issues behind this.
      I have been posting a lot at the Hoffman board recently. I used to moan about the heavy handed moderation there. Hoffman has a brand to maintain and the 'gorts' don't tolerate any behaviour that might be deemed negative. Therefore if the slightest row erupts hoffman law is hammered down, posts are removed and threads are locked. Granted, this doesn't do wonders for freedom of speech but, coupled with the 'like' function, the board does feel extremely friendly. People are very civil towards one another and most threads have an overall positive tone. I have to say, it's a fun place to discuss music.


      I wouldn't go so far as to say that forum is heavy handed.  The thing they managed to curtail there is certain opinionated members taking over threads by aggressively arguing their point of view.  They allow everyone to say their piece but once a viewpoint has been made sufficiently any attempt to beat a dead horse or to shout one's opinion down in favor of your own is curtailed.  This is why for the record I chose not to take any responses to my last posting.  I said my peace and really have nothing left to address on that front as anything else would be a simple re-wording of what I already said.

      Anyhow back to Hoffman...the forum is extremely friendly but in some ways is similar to this one.  People are civil to each other but I've also seen my fair share of "heated threads" over there as well.  Also my read on that forum (much like this one) is before entering, you should at least have some basic knowledge about what you are speaking of prior to posting.  If not you'll often be asked/told to use the "search function" to brush up on the basics so to speak.  Neither forum has ever exactly been novice/newbie friendly but in short of someone writing up a very detailed FAQ post (which would be difficult to do for this forum and impossible for that forum) the search function really is the novice's friend. 

      I think your posting about having "two forums" on here actually already exists in a way as "The Sandbox" (which I rarely venture into personally) is allowed to feature more candid conversation as opposed to the main forums.  Perhaps moving some of the spicier threads in there could be an option but again I wonder if it would take away from the character of the forum essentially making the main forum for casual viewers only (encompassing much of the general public) and the other forum for serious and heated debate on The Beach Boys?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 12, 2014, 05:59:25 AM
      Well, gosh darn…

      Alan ! Good to see you: watch out, it can get feisty here...

      :lol

      So, it was John Manning who sang Daddy Dear!!!

      I always sing that way after a beer or three, gee!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 12, 2014, 07:36:07 AM
      We absolutely DO NOT need a heavy-handed strict board like the Hoffman. This board is just fine, thanks. The mods here are just fine, thanks. And Chuck LePage is just fine, thanks. I personally only read the Hoffman but don't feel inclined to post there. I've already been there - done that on a board moderated by someone throwing her weight around exerting the school marm attitude looking over your shoulder watching what you post all the time ready with the ruler to the knuckles. Uh, no, not any more.

      By the way, notice that message board is no longer with us??  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: onkster on September 12, 2014, 07:40:20 AM
      Decloaking here...I admit I've had to take "vacations" from the board from time to time because of the bickering and occasional outright attacks.

      Yes, I am a passionate BB fan and do take the BB's "seriously"...but still with the attitude that it's more about fun, the joy of music, etc. I've always been of the mind that at its best, Smileysmile is a "gentlemanly" place to discuss things: there may be disagreements, but with tact and mutual respect, that needn't spoil the spirit of things. (At worst, it can be a playground tainted by bullies.)

      Let's be ladies and gentlemen about things. It's important.

      And now, to steer back to the actual topic, I'm finding it amazing to hear how many details from the long/amazing BB/BW story have made it into this film. Is it 4 hours long? Or just incredibly well organized? It seems almost unfathomable that so much ground can be covered in the length of a single movie.

      PS--I sure wish there were a Beatles forum like this place. Haven't found one yet. (And please don't point me to the 910!)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: dellydel on September 12, 2014, 08:33:53 AM
      Ok, lets get back on topic!  I have a very very important question that I don't think has been addressed yet.  Perhaps the most important question of all!!!!!

      How is Mike's baldness in the movie?  Is he realistically bald-ish?  Do they shave Jake Abel's hairline back a few inches??  I MUST KNOW!!!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 12, 2014, 08:37:37 AM
      Thank you to everyone who has offered comments and suggestions so far. Please, keep em' coming! And again, if anyone is not comfortable or simply doesn't want to post it in public, drop me a line in a message or off the board.

      Sometimes the only way to see what might need to be changed or revised is to get a consensus of opinions, and if there is something that many people seem to be pointing at, it suggests a priority issue that needs to be addressed.

      Speaking for myself, I want to use this thread and the most resent posts to illustrate my opinion on something. Some might say bringing in the topic of board issues and comments/complaints/suggestions is going way off topic, but consider this: It's a "hot" issue that people are talking about now, based on this discussion in which some of the issues may have come up indirectly. What better place to hash things out then in a discussion where the issues are current?

      Some more heavily moderated boards would have declared these sidebar conversations "off topic" and delete them. I'm not in favor of doing that to a degree, naturally there are limits. But how do people talk in real life? Is everything laser-focused on one and only one topic? Of course not, there is a natural free-flow to any interactions, and the board can successfully exist in that same way without having a strong moderation which strikes down any sidebar or even a fun off-topic detour.

      However, I will chime in about the suggestions for a lesser-moderated adjunct board, or even one without moderation. I might agree on paper, but in reality it would lead to a lot of trouble, both for posters and whoever admins it.

      There are simply too many issues that come up on a regular basis, which the community may not see or be aware of, that require some level of vigilance to monitor. There are attempts by spammers and hucksters to gain access to the board(s) and send spam, or even worse potentially troll for personal and contact info. These are weekly if not daily requests for membership.

      There are legal issues that can arise: Copyright, interpersonal squabbles, inappropriate or illegal postings, having flame wars escalate to the level of stalking and harassment...it happens, and it can get ugly. If you offer a forum free of regular moderation, or a hands-off atmosphere, it can and will get ugly fast, and often not from regular members but from people who might come for less than upfront purposes, such as the spammers.

      Re: The Sandbox. Let me get on my "soapbox" for a second...I'm not preaching, I'm not judging, I'm just offering my take. I have had issues with the Sandbox, mostly surrounding the type of posts that appear. It is a place for people to hang out, interact, share, discuss...topics that are not directly related to the BB's or music in general. Share stuff like an informal meeting, just have fun and talk. Or talk politics, religion, whatever...like real life, right?

      Some of the topics started there are beyond baffling. I'm not judging, again, but commenting...I don't know what drives someone to post some of the topics that have gotten started in the Sandbox. I can say no more, other than it can be baffling to think why someone would come to a music based board and start a topic that isn't just far from music, but far from any everyday conversation I think most people in the world would engage. I'll say no more, other than the Sandbox should be a cool hangout, a place to chat and discuss and share and even laugh...beyond that, consider if some of the topics there would be appropriate in any other regular everyday conversation between people.

      Sorry for the diversion, these things can and will be moved to a separate topic if requested, but again my theory is if it is a topic being currently discussed, let's hammer it out while it's still hot, and clean up afterward.  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 12, 2014, 08:48:06 AM
      I would like it moved to another thread. Everytime I see this one bumped I think it's something OT.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 12, 2014, 08:51:13 AM
      I would change the thread title to "Love and Mercy Reviews Thread" or somesuch.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 12, 2014, 08:54:31 AM
      I would change the thread title to "Love and Mercy Reviews Thread" or somesuch.

      But keep it on the main board. It depends on the subject, but I've found that using the word "review" can throw water on a hot thread topic because some readers see "review" and don't care to read reviews, but instead discuss the album or show or film in their own words.

      Still some stuff to work out.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: onkster on September 12, 2014, 08:57:11 AM
      Guitarfool, I vote initially for a "same moderation, but more self-policing" policy. If that fails, then...the spanking begins!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 12, 2014, 08:58:40 AM
      "Official Love and Mercy Discussion Thread"?  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 12, 2014, 09:14:57 AM
      Guitarfool, I vote initially for a "same moderation, but more self-policing" policy. If that fails, then...the spanking begins!

      That sounds good! I'm all for the moderation aspect only coming in when absolutely necessary, of course depending on the issues at hand. But self-policing is one of the better ways to keep things on an even flow, for sure.

      I'm being redundant, but I think self-policing can also involve letting us know if there are issues or problems that need to be addressed, and the only way to do that is to contact any of the moderators with suggestions or to inform of issues that may be happening so they can be addressed.

      I will try to get this sub-topic onto another thread, like a "suggestion box" or something, so the film can be the focus.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 12, 2014, 10:03:21 AM
      Update: Individual posts cannot be moved into another topic. There is no function in the board's design which allows this. Posts can be merged, but it's like taking ten steps to the side to move one forward. Still working on this, bear with me.  :(


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 12, 2014, 10:23:30 AM
      Ray likes Stella Artois. Upon his recommendation, I brought a 6-er home a few weekends ago and tried one. I'll save the rest for when I show up on his doorstep with it. Ray, are you still accepting visitors?

      Careful with that stuff Mikie. In the UK we call it "Stella-act-a-twat", 'cos 5 pints and you'll be acting like one. Regular wife beating juice.

      I'll be sure to look out for that! Over here in the U.S., we don't call it "wife beating". We call it "domestic violence" or "spousal abuse". We stop short of calling it "assault & battery" especially when a celebrity is involved because those terms have less impact and don't sound as bad in court.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 12, 2014, 11:31:37 AM

      GREAT new interview to the cast and director, from Variety.
      They talk A LOT about Brian and his music.  :3d

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBbHzjkQZzY



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 12, 2014, 11:34:15 AM

      Oh, and the movie has now a score in Rotten Tomatoes, 88% of aproval (8 reviews so far), wich is really great.  :)
      Let's hope it stands that up.

      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: donald on September 12, 2014, 12:59:03 PM
      Thanks for the link to the Variety interview............the cast seemed genuinely sincere in their admiration and appreciation of Brian and his story.   


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Compost on September 12, 2014, 04:47:13 PM
      Incredible, 5 star BBC review

      http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140911-beach-boys-film-a-miracle (http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140911-beach-boys-film-a-miracle)

      Quote
      BBC Worldwide (International Site)
      We're sorry but this site is not accessible from the UK as it is part of our international service and is not funded by the licence fee. It is run commercially by BBC Worldwide, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC, the profits made from it go back to BBC programme-makers to help fund great new BBC programmes. You can find out more about BBC Worldwide and its digital activities at www.bbcworldwide.com.

      Well, gosh darn…

      Allow me....

      The allure of a big-screen biographical drama is simple and almost childlike: in our dream scenario, we're not just watching a movie – we're stepping into a time machine until we're in the presence of Abe Lincoln, Jim Morrison or Mozart. Yet the reason biopics have always fought for respectability – when they so often seem corny – is that few of them truly transport us into the past. The actors rarely look exactly like the people they're playing; the storylines waver between the specific and the generic. Overall, they're just not that authentic.

      Once in a while, though, you see a biopic that brings off something miraculous, that recreates a famous person's life with so much care that the immersion we seek is achieved. When you watch Love & Mercy, a drama about Brian Wilson, the angelic yet haunted genius of The Beach Boys, you feel like you're right there in the studio with him as he creates Pet Sounds. And it's a little like sitting next to Beethoven: the film is tender and moving, but also awe-inspiring. Paul Dano, the audacious young actor from There Will Be Blood and Little Miss Sunshine, plays Wilson in the mid-1960s, when he was becoming the greatest creative force in American pop music. The moment we see Dano in the film's daringly off-kilter opening shot, which is just Brian noodling around at the piano and talking to himself, the actor seems to transform into Wilson's very being. The pale, cute moon face, the smile with a hint of a grimace, the disarming spaciness – this isn't just acting, it's channeling of a very high order.

      It gets around

      Love & Mercy was co-written by Oren Moverman (along with Michael A Lerner), the co-writer of Todd Haynes' Bob Dylan fantasia I'm Not There; and it was directed by Bill Pohlad, who has mostly been a producer (of films like 12 Years a Slave, Into the Wild and Brokeback Mountain). Together, these two have come up with an innovative structure that takes on a haunting resonance. Dano plays Brian at the pivotal moment when he’d climbed to his artistic peak but, through a combination of drug use and commercial pressures began to break down. The film cuts back and forth between this inspiring and tragic saga and scenes set 20 years later, when Brian is played by John Cusack as the wreck he had become. He has placed himself under the constant care of Dr Eugene Landy (Paul Giamatti), a hustler and psychological guru who has succeeded in drawing Brian out of the depths of his depression (he'd spent three years in bed). But Landy has also, in effect, made Brian his meal ticket and prisoner, doping him up on pharmaceutical drugs. This latter-day Brian has been ‘rescued’, but only as a zombie – that is, until the day he goes shopping for a Cadillac and meets Melinda (Elizabeth Banks), who sells cars in the showroom. The two begin to date, because she sees the loving soul beneath Brian’s sadness.

      It's jarring, at first, to have Wilson played by two actors. You could argue that it doesn't entirely work, since Dano, who has always been an inspired space cadet, inhabits the role as if born to it, while Cusack, dialing down his usual verbal precocity, simply doesn't look – or feel – like Brian Wilson in quite the same way: when Cusack is on screen, we're out of the time machine, back on more conventional biopic ground. Yet as staged, the story of what happened to Wilson in the '80s is still a marvel of tenderness, discovery and even suspense. Can Melinda pry Brian out of the clutches of Landy, played by Giamatti as a dictator in healer's clothing who will destroy Brian in order to save him? Cusack gives a richly subtle and moving performance, showing us an incomparable artist who's been shattered to pieces. And we want to know: how, exactly, did that happen?

      Tuned in

      Love & Mercy offers up the answer with delicate fascination and insight. Early on, Dano's Brian tells the other Beach Boys that he wants to stop touring with them and retreat into the recording studio.

      It's a surprisingly squashed and narrow space, and as Brian records all the backing tracks, Dano is almost goofy with eagerness, his eyes popping wide, his face split by a crooked grin of joy. His performance shows that Brian was in fact a mere boy when he created his masterpiece. He was only 23, but psychologically he was younger, a kid playing with the ultimate train set.

      It's when the Beach Boys return from touring, and get ready to lay down the album's vocal tracks, that conflict sets in. Mike Love, portrayed with likable vigour by Jake Abel, leads the charge against Brian: he doesn't get this dreamy slow music dipped in gorgeous LA twilight. "Even his happy songs are sad!" rails Love. And, of course, he's right: on Pet Sounds, Brian combined happiness with sadness and transformed them into the sublime. But when the album turns out to be a commercial disappointment, superficially vindicating Love's hostility toward it, Brian becomes unhinged.

      The film offers a complex view of what derailed him. It follows Wilson through his piano-in-the-sandbox phase, shows how he pulled himself together to record Good Vibrations and finally, after that song's extraordinary success, it tracks his heartbreaking descent into the insanity of the Smile sessions. Each time the film cuts from Dano to Cusack, the double casting feels more right: it reveals that Brian Wilson, once he'd lost his music, lost himself. He was a different person. Love & Mercy captures how a great American artist created the musical equivalent of grace, then fell from it, yet somehow found himself – and grace – again.

      ★★★★★

      You're all so caught up in the fucking bickering that this beauty of a review got buried.  Thanks for posting Pretty Funky!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 12, 2014, 06:01:24 PM
      Incredible, 5 star BBC review

      http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140911-beach-boys-film-a-miracle (http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140911-beach-boys-film-a-miracle)

      Quote
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      Well, gosh darn…

      Allow me....

      The allure of a big-screen biographical drama is simple and almost childlike: in our dream scenario, we're not just watching a movie – we're stepping into a time machine until we're in the presence of Abe Lincoln, Jim Morrison or Mozart. Yet the reason biopics have always fought for respectability – when they so often seem corny – is that few of them truly transport us into the past. The actors rarely look exactly like the people they're playing; the storylines waver between the specific and the generic. Overall, they're just not that authentic.

      Once in a while, though, you see a biopic that brings off something miraculous, that recreates a famous person's life with so much care that the immersion we seek is achieved. When you watch Love & Mercy, a drama about Brian Wilson, the angelic yet haunted genius of The Beach Boys, you feel like you're right there in the studio with him as he creates Pet Sounds. And it's a little like sitting next to Beethoven: the film is tender and moving, but also awe-inspiring. Paul Dano, the audacious young actor from There Will Be Blood and Little Miss Sunshine, plays Wilson in the mid-1960s, when he was becoming the greatest creative force in American pop music. The moment we see Dano in the film's daringly off-kilter opening shot, which is just Brian noodling around at the piano and talking to himself, the actor seems to transform into Wilson's very being. The pale, cute moon face, the smile with a hint of a grimace, the disarming spaciness – this isn't just acting, it's channeling of a very high order.

      It gets around

      Love & Mercy was co-written by Oren Moverman (along with Michael A Lerner), the co-writer of Todd Haynes' Bob Dylan fantasia I'm Not There; and it was directed by Bill Pohlad, who has mostly been a producer (of films like 12 Years a Slave, Into the Wild and Brokeback Mountain). Together, these two have come up with an innovative structure that takes on a haunting resonance. Dano plays Brian at the pivotal moment when he’d climbed to his artistic peak but, through a combination of drug use and commercial pressures began to break down. The film cuts back and forth between this inspiring and tragic saga and scenes set 20 years later, when Brian is played by John Cusack as the wreck he had become. He has placed himself under the constant care of Dr Eugene Landy (Paul Giamatti), a hustler and psychological guru who has succeeded in drawing Brian out of the depths of his depression (he'd spent three years in bed). But Landy has also, in effect, made Brian his meal ticket and prisoner, doping him up on pharmaceutical drugs. This latter-day Brian has been ‘rescued’, but only as a zombie – that is, until the day he goes shopping for a Cadillac and meets Melinda (Elizabeth Banks), who sells cars in the showroom. The two begin to date, because she sees the loving soul beneath Brian’s sadness.

      It's jarring, at first, to have Wilson played by two actors. You could argue that it doesn't entirely work, since Dano, who has always been an inspired space cadet, inhabits the role as if born to it, while Cusack, dialing down his usual verbal precocity, simply doesn't look – or feel – like Brian Wilson in quite the same way: when Cusack is on screen, we're out of the time machine, back on more conventional biopic ground. Yet as staged, the story of what happened to Wilson in the '80s is still a marvel of tenderness, discovery and even suspense. Can Melinda pry Brian out of the clutches of Landy, played by Giamatti as a dictator in healer's clothing who will destroy Brian in order to save him? Cusack gives a richly subtle and moving performance, showing us an incomparable artist who's been shattered to pieces. And we want to know: how, exactly, did that happen?

      Tuned in

      Love & Mercy offers up the answer with delicate fascination and insight. Early on, Dano's Brian tells the other Beach Boys that he wants to stop touring with them and retreat into the recording studio.

      It's a surprisingly squashed and narrow space, and as Brian records all the backing tracks, Dano is almost goofy with eagerness, his eyes popping wide, his face split by a crooked grin of joy. His performance shows that Brian was in fact a mere boy when he created his masterpiece. He was only 23, but psychologically he was younger, a kid playing with the ultimate train set.

      It's when the Beach Boys return from touring, and get ready to lay down the album's vocal tracks, that conflict sets in. Mike Love, portrayed with likable vigour by Jake Abel, leads the charge against Brian: he doesn't get this dreamy slow music dipped in gorgeous LA twilight. "Even his happy songs are sad!" rails Love. And, of course, he's right: on Pet Sounds, Brian combined happiness with sadness and transformed them into the sublime. But when the album turns out to be a commercial disappointment, superficially vindicating Love's hostility toward it, Brian becomes unhinged.

      The film offers a complex view of what derailed him. It follows Wilson through his piano-in-the-sandbox phase, shows how he pulled himself together to record Good Vibrations and finally, after that song's extraordinary success, it tracks his heartbreaking descent into the insanity of the Smile sessions. Each time the film cuts from Dano to Cusack, the double casting feels more right: it reveals that Brian Wilson, once he'd lost his music, lost himself. He was a different person. Love & Mercy captures how a great American artist created the musical equivalent of grace, then fell from it, yet somehow found himself – and grace – again.

      ★★★★★

      You're all so caught up in the fucking bickering that this beauty of a review got buried.  Thanks for posting Pretty Funky!

      We saw this already.  Pretty Funky posted it yesterday.  It's old news.

      Back to bickering.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: NickandthePassions on September 12, 2014, 06:02:51 PM
      A fantastic review.  BBC takes its reviews seriously, and if it's anything like Dylan's I'm Not There, it's going to be mind-blowing.  

      My Dad is a Beach Boys/Brian Wilson fan.  I've been bickering him about how so much is going on in the world of Brian Wilson.  I think he ignored this upcoming biopic expecting it to be like those bummers from the 80s and 90s, but after reading the review I can see his face light up at the point of me mentioning the movie.  


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 12, 2014, 11:24:43 PM
      Once this film has done the rounds at cinemas (he said, optimistically), I'd like to propose a deluxe box set:

      Love & Mercy on Blu-Ray
      Brian's new autobiography in hardback
      Movie soundtrack on CD or Blu-Ray audio
      No Pier Pressure on CD or Blu-Ray audio

      Bonus features accompanying the film have to include commentaries by the director, the stars, Brian and Melinda, and of course Ray Lawler.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Alan Smith on September 13, 2014, 05:36:34 AM
      Once this film has done the rounds at cinemas (he said, optimistically), I'd like to propose a deluxe box set:

      Love & Mercy on Blu-Ray
      Brian's new autobiography in hardback
      Movie soundtrack on CD or Blu-Ray audio
      No Pier Pressure on CD or Blu-Ray audio

      Bonus features accompanying the film have to include commentaries by the director, the stars, Brian and Melinda, and of course Ray Lawler.


      ...and 4 only specific and targeted quotes from Debbie Keil


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on September 13, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
      OK - so I have a reason to post again in case this isn't up from IMDB Pro...I just don't go where the BBs legal or financial issues are concerned...I've had one subpoena in my hand by just being "nearby" for a period of time.  I don't want another.  You guys have at it if you want, but I post under my real name.  I know NOTHING about the BBs business inner-workings, just as I like it, and just as Brian told me many years ago that he wanted it.  BTW - I do look at this Board occasionally and some of you guys are so funny you've had me doubled over laughing with tears rolling down my cheeks, more than once.  Keep that stuff up, please!  It often makes my day and who knows?...maybe other people who matter a hell of a lot more.

      Full Credits:

      https://pro-labs.imdb.com/title/tt0903657/filmmakers

      I pay for the Pro version because I'm obsessive about details (as clearly many of you are).  Very, very impressive.  With the dignity the man's story deserves.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: NickandthePassions on September 13, 2014, 11:57:21 AM
      http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/love-and-mercy-paul-dano-on-brian-wilson-20140913

      Interview with Paul Dano from Rolling Stone.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Patrick Bateman on September 13, 2014, 12:48:44 PM
      OK - so I have a reason to post again in case this isn't up from IMDB Pro...I just don't go where the BBs legal or financial issues are concerned...I've had one subpoena in my hand by just being "nearby" for a period of time.  I don't want another.  You guys have at it if you want, but I post under my real name.  I know NOTHING about the BBs business inner-workings, just as I like it, and just as Brian told me many years ago that he wanted it.  BTW - I do look at this Board occasionally and some of you guys are so funny you've had me doubled over laughing with tears rolling down my cheeks, more than once.  Keep that stuff up, please!  It often makes my day and who knows?...maybe other people who matter a hell of a lot more.

      Full Credits:

      https://pro-labs.imdb.com/title/tt0903657/filmmakers

      I pay for the Pro version because I'm obsessive about details (as clearly many of you are).  Very, very impressive.  With the dignity the man's story deserves.

      Debbie, I have to say that I think it is awesome you decided to post on our board. I hope at least once in a while you get the urge to post, especially when you feel you might be able to add something, especially when it comes to us talking about the actual music, and what you remember from your days with Brian.

      I honestly think a lot of people on this board don't realize that you actually have quite a place in Brian's story. And I think that's why a few people here didn't give you the respect and attention that someone who was actually there deserves.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: bgas on September 13, 2014, 01:29:02 PM
      http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/love-and-mercy-paul-dano-on-brian-wilson-20140913

      Interview with Paul Dano from Rolling Stone.

      Yeah, I was enjoying the read, until I got to this line:  >>  Roadside Attractions will release the film in the U.S. in 2015  <<



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Wirestone on September 13, 2014, 01:50:19 PM
      http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/love-and-mercy-paul-dano-on-brian-wilson-20140913

      Interview with Paul Dano from Rolling Stone.

      Yeah, I was enjoying the read, until I got to this line:  >>  Roadside Attractions will release the film in the U.S. in 2015  <<



      It became pretty clear over the last couple of months that there was no way the film would come out this year. Not with the film fest debut so late in the year already. It may be another year before it opens in theaters.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: bgas on September 13, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
      http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/love-and-mercy-paul-dano-on-brian-wilson-20140913

      Interview with Paul Dano from Rolling Stone.

      Yeah, I was enjoying the read, until I got to this line:  >>  Roadside Attractions will release the film in the U.S. in 2015  <<



      It became pretty clear over the last couple of months that there was no way the film would come out this year. Not with the film fest debut so late in the year already. It may be another year before it opens in theaters.

      which is what I expected when I read the line...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 13, 2014, 02:03:39 PM
      I wonder when they will put it out then...I personally don't think they'd wait an entire year before putting this out. That's a long shelf life for a movie that has already had a premiere. That must mean that they don't necessarily see much Oscar potential for the movie, which doesn't surprise me too much to be honest. Perhaps they see it as a summer movie, given the subject matter though summer is a difficult time for non Blockbuster type movies.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 13, 2014, 02:05:01 PM
      I'm expecting April...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 13, 2014, 02:10:16 PM
      Can't be too long. The movie is finished. Apart from strategic purposes, there is no reason the movie couldn't be released in theatres any time.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ang Jones on September 13, 2014, 03:11:42 PM
      Have to admit that if any of my personal friends were really famous I would feel very wary about posting anything about them on a message board, though obviously I would want to be supportive, so I think it is great that people who actually know Brian are prepared to share information with us. It is to their credit that they are circumspect about what they choose to share and they deserve our respect for that.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Wirestone on September 13, 2014, 03:53:50 PM
      I wonder when they will put it out then...I personally don't think they'd wait an entire year before putting this out. That's a long shelf life for a movie that has already had a premiere. That must mean that they don't necessarily see much Oscar potential for the movie, which doesn't surprise me too much to be honest. Perhaps they see it as a summer movie, given the subject matter though summer is a difficult time for non Blockbuster type movies.

      I don't think that's necessarily true. If they felt like it was an Oscar contender, they would just release it next fall. In that case, later would be better.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 13, 2014, 03:58:35 PM
      Very cool article

      http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/love-and-mercy-paul-dano-on-brian-wilson-20140913 (http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/love-and-mercy-paul-dano-on-brian-wilson-20140913)

      Also

      Roadside Attractions will release the film in the U.S. in 2015



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 13, 2014, 04:12:35 PM
      Very cool article

      http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/love-and-mercy-paul-dano-on-brian-wilson-20140913 (http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/love-and-mercy-paul-dano-on-brian-wilson-20140913)

      Also

      Roadside Attractions will release the film in the U.S. in 2015



      Yup, but both things were discussed a few posts up.  ;)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 13, 2014, 04:22:21 PM

      Second bad review added in Rotten Tomatoes  :(

      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/

      I really don't get the point of this critic...

      http://moviemezzanine.com/tiff-dispatch-2-love-mercy-eden-and-tokyo-tribe/


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Alan Smith on September 13, 2014, 04:27:36 PM
      OK - so I have a reason to post again in case this isn't up from IMDB Pro...I just don't go where the BBs legal or financial issues are concerned...I've had one subpoena in my hand by just being "nearby" for a period of time.  I don't want another.  You guys have at it if you want, but I post under my real name.  I know NOTHING about the BBs business inner-workings, just as I like it, and just as Brian told me many years ago that he wanted it.  BTW - I do look at this Board occasionally and some of you guys are so funny you've had me doubled over laughing with tears rolling down my cheeks, more than once.  Keep that stuff up, please!  It often makes my day and who knows?...maybe other people who matter a hell of a lot more.

      Full Credits:

      https://pro-labs.imdb.com/title/tt0903657/filmmakers

      I pay for the Pro version because I'm obsessive about details (as clearly many of you are).  Very, very impressive.  With the dignity the man's story deserves.

      Debbie - you're great!  Thanks for posting.

      As Sweet Dude Jim said, if ever you are willing and/or able to share any of your experiences...I'm just a simple boy from Australia, where aspects of the BB's tour there every 3-5 years or so. While I've been able to read "being there" stories in the various books, I always get a kick of seeing long term (and new) fans and associates bringing something here; it's a great oppotunity to connect with the vast ocean of appreciators who hold the Beach Boys history and music dear.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 13, 2014, 04:40:25 PM

      Second bad review added in Rotten Tomatoes  :(

      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/

      I really don't get the point of this critic...

      http://moviemezzanine.com/tiff-dispatch-2-love-mercy-eden-and-tokyo-tribe/

      It's not even proper review, more like a blurb written on some blog.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 13, 2014, 04:43:37 PM

      Second bad review added in Rotten Tomatoes  :(

      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/

      I really don't get the point of this critic...

      http://moviemezzanine.com/tiff-dispatch-2-love-mercy-eden-and-tokyo-tribe/

      It's not even proper review, more like a blurb written on some blog.

      Yeah, that's what I thought! but sadly it's on Rotten Tomatoes, so it's considered a genuine review...

      I can't wait to see this movie. 2015?! really?!  :o


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: puni puni on September 13, 2014, 05:09:27 PM
      (https://image-cdn.zap2it.com/images/john-cusack-walk-of-fame-gi.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/cJsyS3R.png)

      These people look nothing alike.

      (http://i.imgur.com/Bfakm3c.png)(http://www.eddiejordan.net/brianwilson.jpg)

      And neither do these dudes. What's the deal? Totally ruins the immersion


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: 18thofMay on September 13, 2014, 09:13:31 PM
      I have heard an Australian release date of 26th December 2014. Can anyone confirm?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 13, 2014, 09:26:04 PM

      From IMDB:

      Release Dates
       
      Canada   7 September 2014   (Toronto International Film Festival)
      Australia   26 December 2014   
      New Zealand   26 December 2014   
      Portugal   15 January 2015
         

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0903657/releaseinfo


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 13, 2014, 11:30:24 PM
      I suspect those Dec 26 dates mean nothing. In NZ and Australia it is the peak summer holiday travel period and the thought of going to the movies has zero appeal. The equivalent of going on the 4th of July for our US friends.

      Not recommended if it is being considered IMO.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Cyncie on September 13, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
      Well, there's this:

      http://ultimateclassicrock.com/brian-wilson-mike-love-biopic


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: 18thofMay on September 13, 2014, 11:59:35 PM
      I suspect those Dec 26 dates mean nothing. In NZ and Australia it is the peak summer holiday travel period and the thought of going to the movies has zero appeal. The equivalent of going on the 4th of July for our US friends.

      Not recommended if it is being considered IMO.
      Sorry but that is wrong. The boxing day movie releases are historically the biggest movies of the year. And films have been getting world wide release dates.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 14, 2014, 12:16:08 AM
      An aside: have just visited the Bloo for the first time in ages, to find a thread entitled:


      "Some of the whackadoodles and so-called experts at the Smiley Smile board are sure getting called out by people in the know"

      :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 14, 2014, 01:10:51 AM
      I suspect those Dec 26 dates mean nothing. In NZ and Australia it is the peak summer holiday travel period and the thought of going to the movies has zero appeal. The equivalent of going on the 4th of July for our US friends.

      Not recommended if it is being considered IMO.
      Sorry but that is wrong. The boxing day movie releases are historically the biggest movies of the year. And films have been getting world wide release dates.

      May be the case world wide but I'll be on the beach that day in NZ.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 14, 2014, 02:06:54 AM
      An aside: have just visited the Bloo for the first time in ages, to find a thread entitled:


      "Some of the whackadoodles and so-called experts at the Smiley Smile board are sure getting called out by people in the know"

      :lol


      The irony of someone from The Bloo posting that I no longer have any credibility is as delicious as it is warranted. As my father used to say, "it's enough to make a cat laugh".  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ang Jones on September 14, 2014, 03:39:15 AM
      We're having a lot of irony suddenly. Ironic that someone who feels that 'the Bloo' has no credibility continues to post on it.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Heywood on September 14, 2014, 04:35:20 AM
      I suspect those Dec 26 dates mean nothing. In NZ and Australia it is the peak summer holiday travel period and the thought of going to the movies has zero appeal. The equivalent of going on the 4th of July for our US friends.

      Not recommended if it is being considered IMO.
      Sorry but that is wrong. The boxing day movie releases are historically the biggest movies of the year. And films have been getting world wide release dates.

      May be the case world wide but I'll be on the beach that day in NZ.

      biggest movie day of the year in Oz.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 14, 2014, 04:45:30 AM
      Really?

      I obviously just don't get or fit into the movie demographic nowadays. Public holiday, brilliant weather (I hope) and empty cities. I could think of nothing worse than being couped up indoors. Besides, haven't those Dec 26 dates been around for awhile?


      edit...

      It's officially opening in Australia on the 26th of November and portucal on the 15th of January. Those are the ony two release dates on imdb

      Still a while away but you'd at least expect an official poster by now or some news about it entering film festivals

      ok. Changed dates  now. When this was written there was no distributor I believe.  I still doubt it will be released in Australia, NZ or Portugal before the US.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 14, 2014, 04:58:31 AM
      We're having a lot of irony suddenly. Ironic that someone who feels that 'the Bloo' has no credibility continues to post on it.

      It's seen as missionary work…!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ang Jones on September 14, 2014, 07:56:27 AM
      We're having a lot of irony suddenly. Ironic that someone who feels that 'the Bloo' has no credibility continues to post on it.

      It's seen as missionary work…!

      Andrew as a missionary. That image is going to take some time to get my head around!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 14, 2014, 09:36:05 AM
      I just wanna know who the Whackadoodles are on this board that he/she is referring to.  :-D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 14, 2014, 11:30:19 AM
      We're having a lot of irony suddenly. Ironic that someone who feels that 'the Bloo' has no credibility continues to post on it.

      It's seen as missionary work…!

      Just so: if someone doesn't correct their mistakes and misconceptions, they'll just go on believing them. There are some good people posting on The Bloo, but there are also people who still think Mike has horns and a barbed tail as well as those who either know very little about Brian & the band or think they know far more than they actually do. It's all about the music. Despite what some may care to believe, my ego doesn't come into it.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 14, 2014, 11:40:25 AM
      But Mike is the devil! That drawing from the 1970s proved it! ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on September 14, 2014, 11:54:13 AM
      Okay. what's with the quotation marks around the word friend when describing me as a "friend" of Brian's?  I see that a Nicko1234 or Nicko12345(?) has described me this way on the Brian Wilson Board, so I'm assuming (although both are clearly pseudonyms, so who knows when anonymity is part of a post?) that you may be the same person.  Since your post was referencing my posts on this Board and I don't seem to have access to the Brian Wilson Board, I thought this would be a good place to ask.  I've seen this "friend" thing posted before, but only in reference to me, not others. I have no idea what to make of this exception in my case, but the options I can imagine are rather grim.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: buddhahat on September 14, 2014, 12:30:49 PM
      Okay. what's with the quotation marks around the word friend when describing me as a "friend" of Brian's?  I see that a Nicko1234 or Nicko12345(?) has described me this way on the Brian Wilson Board, so I'm assuming (although both are clearly pseudonyms, so who knows when anonymity is part of a post?) that you may be the same person.  Since your post was referencing my posts on this Board and I don't seem to have access to the Brian Wilson Board, I thought this would be a good place to ask.  I've seen this "friend" thing posted before, but only in reference to me, not others. I have no idea what to make of this exception in my case, but the options I can imagine are rather grim.

      Hi Debbie,

      I'm not sure if nicko1234 posts here. You're better off registering at the BW board and asking there but, in truth, I wouldn't get bogged down in the pettiness of other posters. Don't take it personally. Some people will snipe at anything.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Larry Franz on September 14, 2014, 02:24:10 PM
      I've got no inside information at all, but given these early, extremely positive reviews (especially the ones in the Los Angeles Times, Variety and Hollywood Reporter), I think the movie will play for a week in Los Angeles before the end of 2014 to qualify for the Oscars, and maybe for a week in New York, and then open in the rest of the US in early 2015.

      And given the special praise being given Paul Dano's performance, I think he will be nominated for Best Actor (or Best Supporting Actor, depending on his screentime). Since there can be up to 10 nominees for Best Picture, a nomination for that is also a strong possibility.

      I'm guessing that the people who work and live in Southern California and vote for the Oscars (which many people do take seriously, even if most of us don't) will feel good about the story it tells and want to express their appreciation for Brian, a local boy who made good.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Nicko1234 on September 14, 2014, 03:25:42 PM
      Okay. what's with the quotation marks around the word friend when describing me as a "friend" of Brian's?  I see that a Nicko1234 or Nicko12345(?) has described me this way on the Brian Wilson Board, so I'm assuming (although both are clearly pseudonyms, so who knows when anonymity is part of a post?) that you may be the same person.  Since your post was referencing my posts on this Board and I don't seem to have access to the Brian Wilson Board, I thought this would be a good place to ask.  I've seen this "friend" thing posted before, but only in reference to me, not others. I have no idea what to make of this exception in my case, but the options I can imagine are rather grim.

      I can give a very simple answer to that and I hope that you will forgive its frankness.

      The reason I (and presumably other people) used the `friend` tag is simply because I have no idea whether using epiphets such as ex-girlfriend, former partner etc. would fit. Nothing more sinister than that.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Nicko1234 on September 14, 2014, 03:26:54 PM


      Hi Debbie,

      I'm not sure if nicko1234 posts here. You're better off registering at the BW board and asking there but, in truth, I wouldn't get bogged down in the pettiness of other posters. Don't take it personally. Some people will snipe at anything.

      Yes, I post here and no pettiness going on at all.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: JohnMill on September 14, 2014, 03:58:34 PM
      I want to know exactly who is the one they call Big Sally and why she is considered to be a source of such strain amongst some of those not to be mentioned round the other forum no more!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 14, 2014, 04:37:05 PM
      I've got no inside information at all, but given these early, extremely positive reviews (especially the ones in the Los Angeles Times, Variety and Hollywood Reporter), I think the movie will play for a week in Los Angeles before the end of 2014 to qualify for the Oscars, and maybe for a week in New York, and then open in the rest of the US in early 2015.

      And given the special praise being given Paul Dano's performance, I think he will be nominated for Best Actor (or Best Supporting Actor, depending on his screentime). Since there can be up to 10 nominees for Best Picture, a nomination for that is also a strong possibility.

      I'm guessing that the people who work and live in Southern California and vote for the Oscars (which many people do take seriously, even if most of us don't) will feel good about the story it tells and want to express their appreciation for Brian, a local boy who made good.

      A best picture nom is a long shot to be honest, maybe it just seems to good to be true, I truly hope it gets one though

      Dano getting a best actor nomination seems pretty possible right now considering the praise he's getting


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 14, 2014, 05:06:20 PM
      I'd personally be surprised with a Best Picture nom. Don't see that happening. Dano could be nominated. I'd say he'd be up for Supporting Actor - they play pretty loose with the definition of those categories but I think someone who splits the character with another actor wouldn't be considered for a Best Actor nomination. That said, Supporting Actor is a tough category and so it's mostly unlikely though Dano already has cred from There Will Be Blood, so it's not out of the realm of possibilities.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Larry Franz on September 14, 2014, 05:48:01 PM
      I thought of the Best Picture because of the extra nominations they've added, but agree it's less likely than an Actor nomination.

      Anyway, I'm driving home with the Chinese food, and imagining Paul Dano winning the Oscar, and Brian in the audience, and missed my turn.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 14, 2014, 05:55:15 PM
      I thought of the Best Picture because of the extra nominations they've added, but agree it's less likely than an Actor nomination.

      Anyway, I'm driving home with the Chinese food, and imagining Paul Dano winning the Oscar, and Brian in the audience, and missed my turn.

      The important thing is, what did you order?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: puni puni on September 14, 2014, 08:16:14 PM
      (https://38.media.tumblr.com/45d49f9a993fd65666941371a36410fd/tumblr_nbx9l0L3ii1thkifgo1_1280.jpg)

      Max Schneider - VDP


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Larry Franz on September 14, 2014, 08:28:27 PM
      That's a great imitation Van Dyke. People have said the movie's 60s look is extraordinarily well-done. This picture is evidence of that. (Presumably, the plastic water bottles aren't in the final cut.)

      I thought of the Best Picture because of the extra nominations they've added, but agree it's less likely than an Actor nomination.

      Anyway, I'm driving home with the Chinese food, and imagining Paul Dano winning the Oscar, and Brian in the audience, and missed my turn.

      The important thing is, what did you order?

      I'd tell you but am new here and not sure about the level of personal disclosure that's expected.

      (General Tso's chicken, vegetable fried rice and two spring rolls)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: wantsomecorn on September 14, 2014, 09:20:02 PM
      ...you were on the forum while driving?

       :police:


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: bsten on September 14, 2014, 09:51:09 PM
      Ray and Debbie - I've been a fan of the BB and Brian ever since the mid 60's. Thank you for your wonderful posts and for bringing true insights! Keep up the good work! And sincere compliments to Melinda for taking care of Brian!!!  :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Micha on September 14, 2014, 11:17:15 PM
      ...you were on the forum while driving?

       :police:

      Probably a long queue at the drive-through. :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 14, 2014, 11:19:15 PM
      At the drive in yeah at the drive in...we love the drive in


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Larry Franz on September 15, 2014, 12:07:13 AM
      Anyway, I'm driving home with the Chinese food, and imagining Paul Dano winning the Oscar, and Brian in the audience, and missed my turn.
      ...you were on the forum while driving?

       :police:

      It took me a while, but now I get it. No, no, you've misunderstood my informal grammar, but that's certainly a good one!  :)

      PS -- "Love and Mercy" didn't win one of the prizes it was eligible for at the Toronto Festival. The People's Choice award went to a movie about Alan Turing (starring Benedict Cumberbatch) and the critics picked a Richard Gere movie in the Special Presentations category.

      http://www.tiff.net/festivals/thefestival/festivalawards (http://www.tiff.net/festivals/thefestival/festivalawards)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: buddhahat on September 15, 2014, 02:47:19 AM


      Hi Debbie,

      I'm not sure if nicko1234 posts here. You're better off registering at the BW board and asking there but, in truth, I wouldn't get bogged down in the pettiness of other posters. Don't take it personally. Some people will snipe at anything.

      Yes, I post here and no pettiness going on at all.



      Apologies - my mistake.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: buddhahat on September 15, 2014, 02:56:55 AM
      (https://38.media.tumblr.com/45d49f9a993fd65666941371a36410fd/tumblr_nbx9l0L3ii1thkifgo1_1280.jpg)

      Max Schneider - VDP

      Nooooooo he has boy-band hair! Somebody please tell me his hair is not styled that way in the movie?!!

      I can forgive the woody in the Surfin Safari shoot, any number of non-period mics in the studio scenes and John Cusack's total lack of physical resemblance to Brian Wilson but VDP with Bieber hair is a step too far ....


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Nicko1234 on September 15, 2014, 03:30:58 AM

      Apologies - my mistake.

      No worries at all. A simple misunderstanding. :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: NickandthePassions on September 15, 2014, 06:57:44 AM
      Anyone else find it strange that Paul Giamatti didn't attend the film festival?  Or at least wasn't in any of the group pictures?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 15, 2014, 08:30:26 AM
      I can forgive the woody in the Surfin Safari shoot, any number of non-period mics in the studio scenes and John Cusack's total lack of physical resemblance to Brian Wilson but VDP with Bieber hair is a step too far ....

      Serious request here, please point me in the direction of the photo(s) showing the non-period mics being used in the studio scenes, I'd like to check them out.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Loaf on September 15, 2014, 08:39:03 AM
      Anyone else find it strange that Paul Giamatti didn't attend the film festival?  Or at least wasn't in any of the group pictures?

      The original agreement was for a set number of appearances and interviews, and when things were starting to look good, those involved agreed to a set number of extra promotional appearances. Brian wanted to keep promoting the film after the agreed-upon end date but Paul Giamatti already had other commitments and had to bow out. Brian said it was like being fired from his life.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: buddhahat on September 15, 2014, 09:12:10 AM
      I can forgive the woody in the Surfin Safari shoot, any number of non-period mics in the studio scenes and John Cusack's total lack of physical resemblance to Brian Wilson but VDP with Bieber hair is a step too far ....

      Serious request here, please point me in the direction of the photo(s) showing the non-period mics being used in the studio scenes, I'd like to check them out.

       I should've known you'd jump on that bit! Fear not, Guitarfool, there are no photos and I wouldn't be able to recognise a non-period mic if it jumped up and ... er, reverbed me in the face (or whatever non period mics do).

      But seriously - that non-period VDP haircut doesn't bother you?!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: CM Punky Brewster on September 15, 2014, 09:53:53 AM
      I can forgive the woody in the Surfin Safari shoot, any number of non-period mics in the studio scenes and John Cusack's total lack of physical resemblance to Brian Wilson but VDP with Bieber hair is a step too far ....

      Serious request here, please point me in the direction of the photo(s) showing the non-period mics being used in the studio scenes, I'd like to check them out.

       I should've known you'd jump on that bit! Fear not, Guitarfool, there are no photos and I wouldn't be able to recognise a non-period mic if it jumped up and ... er, reverbed me in the face (or whatever non period mics do).

      But seriously - that non-period VDP haircut doesn't bother you?!


      Er, no because it is the same haircut.

      (http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy31/andrewbotwin/e37fd7f2af1c6f54c0bd25bb4e688664_zps25e5866b.jpg)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Paul J B on September 15, 2014, 09:58:51 AM
      I can forgive the woody in the Surfin Safari shoot, any number of non-period mics in the studio scenes and John Cusack's total lack of physical resemblance to Brian Wilson but VDP with Bieber hair is a step too far ....

      Serious request here, please point me in the direction of the photo(s) showing the non-period mics being used in the studio scenes, I'd like to check them out.

       I should've known you'd jump on that bit! Fear not, Guitarfool, there are no photos and I wouldn't be able to recognise a non-period mic if it jumped up and ... er, reverbed me in the face (or whatever non period mics do).

      But seriously - that non-period VDP haircut doesn't bother you?!


      Er, no because it is the same haircut.

      (http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy31/andrewbotwin/e37fd7f2af1c6f54c0bd25bb4e688664_zps25e5866b.jpg)

      Wow. That's impressive.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 15, 2014, 10:04:49 AM
      I can forgive the woody in the Surfin Safari shoot, any number of non-period mics in the studio scenes and John Cusack's total lack of physical resemblance to Brian Wilson but VDP with Bieber hair is a step too far ....

      Serious request here, please point me in the direction of the photo(s) showing the non-period mics being used in the studio scenes, I'd like to check them out.

       I should've known you'd jump on that bit! Fear not, Guitarfool, there are no photos and I wouldn't be able to recognise a non-period mic if it jumped up and ... er, reverbed me in the face (or whatever non period mics do).

      But seriously - that non-period VDP haircut doesn't bother you?!

      I was curious about the mics because I'm always looking for those details in studio recreations, especially from the 60's...and especially from a BW session from 1966!  :)

      As far as the VDP portrayal, Andy already beat me to it by posting his photos, but I have these of the "real" VDP from 1966-68 and they look pretty close to the actor in the new photo, but judge for yourself:

      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/vdp1a_zpsb8e7a2a3.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/vdp3a_zps0a2fda2f.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/vdp2a_zpse5a22e47.jpg)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mikie on September 15, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
      The guy portraying VDP has it down - his face looks like him, the haircut is right on, and the glasses even look the same. The actor playing Van Dyke looks a helluva lot closer to the original than the guy portraying Brian. No doubt.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: buddhahat on September 15, 2014, 10:55:23 AM
      I can forgive the woody in the Surfin Safari shoot, any number of non-period mics in the studio scenes and John Cusack's total lack of physical resemblance to Brian Wilson but VDP with Bieber hair is a step too far ....

      Serious request here, please point me in the direction of the photo(s) showing the non-period mics being used in the studio scenes, I'd like to check them out.

       I should've known you'd jump on that bit! Fear not, Guitarfool, there are no photos and I wouldn't be able to recognise a non-period mic if it jumped up and ... er, reverbed me in the face (or whatever non period mics do).

      But seriously - that non-period VDP haircut doesn't bother you?!


      Er, no because it is the same haircut.

      (http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy31/andrewbotwin/e37fd7f2af1c6f54c0bd25bb4e688664_zps25e5866b.jpg)

      But look closer ... It's doing that thing where one side is pushed forward - a bit like a bowl has been put on there and then rotated a bit.

      Here is an extreme of this 'boy-band' look (those of a squeamish disposition may wish to look away) ...

      (http://www.besthairstyles2013.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/justin-bieber-hair-12.jpg)

      Ok, ok I sound mental. I don't usually get hung up on these things but that haircut looks too X Factor to me. I agree it's a great piece of casting as the actor is the spit of a young VDP. So it's a shame that the haircut - presumably the easiest bit of period detailing to get right - is so not 60s looking. 

      I actually think these historically inaccurate stylings are deliberate. To make the characters more relatable to a modern audience maybe and I can cope with things that are deliberate rather than lazy. I know I still sound mental, obsessing over this haircut, but there you go. Very much still looking forward to the film though.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 15, 2014, 11:10:17 AM
      Sometimes I realise that, if the actor portraying Dennis walked into a hotel foyer scene with his green-painted dick hanging out of his trousers, folk here would be offended by the fact that it was an inauthentic shade of green.

      And I have to agree that that kind of realism is important…


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: buddhahat on September 15, 2014, 11:24:39 AM
      Sometimes I realise that, if the actor portraying Dennis walked into a hotel foyer scene with his green-painted dick hanging out of his trousers, folk here would be offended by the fact that it was an inauthentic shade of green.

      And I have to agree that that kind of realism is important…

       ;D

      The funny thing is, I was rolling my eyes at the discussion about the historical inaccuracy of the woody in the Surfin' Safari shoot like "Guys, it's just a movie. It's called artistic license" and then with this hair thing I realise that I'm 1000 times more anally retentive than any of you.

      It comes to something when smiley smilers start backing away from you because you're too pedantic.  :-\

      C'mon AGD - surely you care about the hairstyle?!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 15, 2014, 11:29:28 AM
      To my eyes from that actor's photo they captured VDP's look perhaps as close as they could nearly 50 years removed, and again just my opinion based on the photo Andy posted and the three I posted of the real Van Dyke from that era, the haircut looks very close too. Note the guy with the gray jacket standing next to VDP is a young Lenny Waronker.

      Speaking of portrayals, if central casting ever needs to find a 1966-era Mike Love character for a project, this author has the look, right down to the cap:

      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/mikekimmel3.jpg)
      http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=745194a011833829ca5452dc2130c94a&topic=14176.0 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=745194a011833829ca5452dc2130c94a&topic=14176.0)

      Whether the guy can act or not is another story.  :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Amy B. on September 15, 2014, 12:31:27 PM
      When this movie is released I might just have to stay away from this board. Every little detail is going to be nitpicked, right down to how the guy playing VDP has his hair combed in scene 13. Daniel Day-Lewis didn't really look like Lincoln either, but it was a good portrayal (with the benefit of a lack of film footage, in that case!)  John Cusack doesn't really look like Brian and Elizabeth Banks looks nothing like Melinda, aside from blonde hair. But I'd rather have the actors be able to bring the essence of the person they're playing.

      Most viewers will not know what color t-shirt Brian was wearing when he recorded Heroes and Villains. They won't care that Brian has blue eyes and Cusack has brown (same with Robert Downey Jr. playing Chaplin). I hope we're all able to evaluate the movie for something greater than the nitpicky details.

      Editing to add that my whole post came off as more cranky than it was supposed to. I know people will nitpick. It's not that big of a deal. It's just a bit annoying sometimes when you just want to enjoy the music, or the movie.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 15, 2014, 01:11:58 PM
      When this movie is released I might just have to stay away from this board. Every little detail is going to be nitpicked, right down to how the guy playing VDP has his hair combed in scene 13. Daniel Day-Lewis didn't really look like Lincoln either, but it was a good portrayal (with the benefit of a lack of film footage, in that case!)  John Cusack doesn't really look like Brian and Elizabeth Banks looks nothing like Melinda, aside from blonde hair. But I'd rather have the actors be able to bring the essence of the person they're playing.

      Most viewers will not know what color t-shirt Brian was wearing when he recorded Heroes and Villains. They won't care that Brian has blue eyes and Cusack has brown (same with Robert Downey Jr. playing Chaplin). I hope we're all able to evaluate the movie for something greater than the nitpicky details.

      Editing to add that my whole post came off as more cranky than it was supposed to. I know people will nitpick. It's not that big of a deal. It's just a bit annoying sometimes when you just want to enjoy the music, or the movie.

      Well said


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Doo Dah on September 15, 2014, 01:20:43 PM
      Don't know if this has been posted, but a glowing review in Sunday's Washington Post. After a litany of stand-outs, it's profiled at the end of the piece.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/at-film-festival-bill-murray-makes-a-splash-but-brian-wilson-biopic-steals-the-show/2014/09/10/f1e4a52e-3878-11e4-8601-97ba88884ffd_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/at-film-festival-bill-murray-makes-a-splash-but-brian-wilson-biopic-steals-the-show/2014/09/10/f1e4a52e-3878-11e4-8601-97ba88884ffd_story.html)

      Melinda Ledbetter Wilson is another fighter in “Love & Mercy,” Bill Pohlad’s extraordinary, even visionary chronicle of the musician Brian Wilson. Pohlad, who has financed and produced films by Sean Penn and Terrence Malick, focuses on the years when Wilson was producing the Beach Boys’ seminal album “Pet Sounds,” jumping ahead to when he first met his second wife — played by Elizabeth Banks — in the 198os. That was also the era during which Wilson battled mental illness and came under the dubious care of psychiatrist Eugene Landy, played in the film by Paul Giamatti.

      Paul Dano delivers an astonishing performance as the younger version of Wilson, with John Cusack playing him in later years, a gambit that pays off handsomely in a production that reflects Wilson’s blazing imagination with its own ingenious structure, visual approach, sound design and poetic sensibility. (The film was written by Oren Moverman, who also wrote the oblique Bob Dylan biopic “I’m Not There.”) Among the many smart, sophisticated, deeply moving films that have become TIFF reliables, “Love & Mercy” — which just sold to Lionsgate on Wednesday — was an unexpected, undisputed triumph.





      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: rab2591 on September 15, 2014, 02:23:55 PM
      Ok, ok I sound mental. I don't usually get hung up on these things but that haircut looks too X Factor to me. I agree it's a great piece of casting as the actor is the spit of a young VDP. So it's a shame that the haircut - presumably the easiest bit of period detailing to get right - is so not 60s looking. 

      I actually think these historically inaccurate stylings are deliberate. To make the characters more relatable to a modern audience maybe and I can cope with things that are deliberate rather than lazy. I know I still sound mental, obsessing over this haircut, but there you go. Very much still looking forward to the film though.

      This isn't even a still from the movie. This photo could've been taken before a scene was shot (before the hairdresser did his/her job).

      Regardless, I think his hair looks fine. Judging from the stills, the makers of the film were anything but lazy when it comes to accuracy (apart from the lack of a certain yellow truck that certain people here freaked-the-f*** out about). I think we were absolutely blessed to get such detail-oriented filmmakers to be apart of this project.

      When this movie is released I might just have to stay away from this board.

      Agreed - that 10 second iphone-recorded beach shot turned into probably 10 pages of ridiculous nitpicking. I can't imagine what this place will be like when the actual movie is released :o


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ebb and Flow on September 15, 2014, 02:49:41 PM
      Ok, ok I sound mental. I don't usually get hung up on these things but that haircut looks too X Factor to me. I agree it's a great piece of casting as the actor is the spit of a young VDP. So it's a shame that the haircut - presumably the easiest bit of period detailing to get right - is so not 60s looking. 

      I actually think these historically inaccurate stylings are deliberate. To make the characters more relatable to a modern audience maybe and I can cope with things that are deliberate rather than lazy. I know I still sound mental, obsessing over this haircut, but there you go. Very much still looking forward to the film though.

      This isn't even a still from the movie. This photo could've been taken before a scene was shot (before the hairdresser did his/her job).

      Regardless, I think his hair looks fine. Judging from the stills, the makers of the film were anything but lazy when it comes to accuracy (apart from the lack of a certain yellow truck that certain people here freaked-the-f*** out about). I think we were absolutely blessed to get such detail-oriented filmmakers to be apart of this project.

      I was actually the one who first brought it up, and I'm pretty sure nobody here "freaked-f*** out about it".  It's an inaccuracy in a Hollywood production, and it was one of the only things that was actually leaked from the shoot.  I'm curious to see how it looks in the final film, but I still think it's kind of strange on their part to (deliberately?) change an aspect of the iconography from their first album cover, when it wouldn't have been that difficult to get it right.  If you want to call that "ridiculous nitpicking", or "freaking-the-f*** out" I guess that's your call.

      Quote
      Agreed - that 10 second iphone-recorded beach shot turned into probably 10 pages of ridiculous nitpicking. I can't imagine what this place will be like when the actual movie is released :o

      What does the fact that there was a video recorded on an iphone have to do with anything?  There were also stills of them posing on the same car shot with a DSLR.  Whatever device a photo is captured on, it doesn't change the fact that the woodie used in the film to represent the Surfin' Safari covershoot isn't the same as the original cover.

      I am looking forward to the film BTW.  Just wish people here could be more open-minded about any criticism levied at the film.  If the worst we can say about it is that they messed up a few of the details, it shouldn't be too bad of a movie.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 15, 2014, 03:06:30 PM
      It's all good natured nit picking here! ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 15, 2014, 03:11:43 PM
      The real question is if VDP watches bieber videos on YouTube like he did with skrillex? How about bieber sings parks?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: buddhahat on September 15, 2014, 03:20:32 PM
      Hey guys I was being kind of tongue in cheek about the hair. I mean it bothers me, but I know it's ridiculous that it bothers me.

      Generally I think people are being pretty forgiving about the artistic licenses apparently taken. We all understand its a movie and not a documentary.

      Personally I cannot wait to see this film and it seems most, maybe all, here feel the same way!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: rab2591 on September 15, 2014, 03:32:46 PM
      @ Ebb and Flow

      I get fed up with these criticisms because they are downright pointless at the moment. Take VDPs hair: as I said above, no one has any idea if the hairdressers had done their job yet. You complained that the guys weren't posing on the woodie correctly - when you have no idea if the cameras were rolling or not. You claim "it wouldn't have been that difficult to get it right" (regarding the woodie) yet you have no idea what the budget, availability, timing was like for this project.

      I guess my point is: wait to watch the actual film before judging any possible inaccuracies. Someone said this movie looked like a "cheesy TV movie" based on a few pics and a short video clip....and now this movie is getting some serious high praise.

      As for the iphone comment: there was someone complaining about the hair or makeup of the actors in that particular video. What we see through an iPhone or SLR lens is different than what we'll be seeing on the big screen. So judging hair based off an iphone clip or an SLR shot (during which time we don't know if the hair and makeup people did their jobs yet), is pointless, imo.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: donald on September 15, 2014, 05:57:18 PM
      That car on the cover isn't a woodie.   and I always looked at that cover as a prop shot,palm fronds tossed all over........
      I'm a vintage car guy and even I don't care about THAT detail.  the point is that it was them posing with an old car/truck for a publicity/cover shoot.  let's not forget that only Dennis was a surfer............
      so if the film depicts them posing on the beach with a palm frond encrusted car, that's accurate enough for me.
      If they can depict the characters with authenticity and capture the essence of the scenes depicted, I'll overlook the minor set inaccuracies.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: shadownoze on September 15, 2014, 06:21:34 PM
      If you want to call that "ridiculous nitpicking", or "freaking-the-f*** out" I guess that's your call.

      My call? Okay, that's ridiculous nitpicking.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 15, 2014, 06:27:13 PM
      keep in mind, I asked pages ago, in fact I think it was the night of the premiere, whether anyone who may have been there to see the film could describe that scene as it appeared in the final cut of the film. Model A, later model woodie wagon, something totally different, was the beach scene even *in* the final cut, etc.

      And up to now, no one has chimed in. So I for one *still* do not know how that car-beach scene we were all talking about after the on-set images came out was even used in the finished movie.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: jcm on September 15, 2014, 06:47:12 PM
      This question is to schiaffino or anyone else that has seen the film or would know.  I realize this is about as off the wall a request as you'll get but, here goes...

      I'm trying to assemble a soundtrack of music from the film to listen to in the car on my commute to work and back.  Was hoping if you might recall a good many of the songs that were used for the films soundtrack, aside from original score of course.

      If you don't recall that's fine..  was too curious not to at least ask.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Larry Franz on September 15, 2014, 07:34:31 PM
      I asked pages ago ... whether anyone who may have been there to see the film could describe that scene as it appeared in the final cut of the film. Model A, later model woodie wagon, something totally different, was the beach scene even *in* the final cut, etc.

      I wish I'd seen the movie so could answer your question, but the review in Variety provided a clue:

      Quote
      Following a very brief, unfussy montage of the Beach Boys’ rise to ‘60s pop superpowers, we see Dano’s Wilson ... suffer a panic attack on a flight. Deciding to bow out of the group’s upcoming Japanese tour, he sets up shop in a recording studio ... with ambitions to record nothing less than “the greatest album ever made.”
         http://variety.com/2014/film/reviews/toronto-film-review-love-mercy-1201301472/ (http://variety.com/2014/film/reviews/toronto-film-review-love-mercy-1201301472/)

      Assuming that the beach scene is in the movie, which it most likely is, it goes by quickly. Another reviewer complained that they didn't spend enough time on the Beach Boys rise to popularity (but that would have been a different movie).


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Rocky Raccoon on September 15, 2014, 09:15:23 PM
      As far as Oscars go, I'd say the best chance they have (not that I don't think they have any other chances at this point) is if they commission Brian to write an original song and tack it on to the end credits.  It would be cool to see Brian himself win an Oscar.  His acceptance speech: "This is a great honor, I've loved the movies ever since I saw Norbit."


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: wantsomecorn on September 15, 2014, 09:18:51 PM
      I could see Dano being nominated for Best Supporting Actor based on the reviews he's been getting.

      If they haven't done an original song for this movie, then its a shame, because a Brian-penned song winning an Oscar next year would be a shoe-in.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 15, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
      Anyone else find it strange that Paul Giamatti didn't attend the film festival?  Or at least wasn't in any of the group pictures?

      I think of all the actors, he is the most in demand so may have been on location. He was filming the new Spiderman movie so that may be the reason.

      http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/315/files/2014/08/Paul-Giamatti-850x560.jpg


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Micha on September 15, 2014, 10:57:29 PM
      Historical accuracy is for documentaries, not for movies. My favorite German movie is about the 1930s singing group "Comedian Harmonists". The songs are not featured in the sequence they were recorded, and there is a love triangle created - between two band members and a woman one of the two later married - which is historically incorrect, and some other liberties taken too. It's still a great movie.

      If the Brian movie is a good movie and true to the spirit of the music and Brian's personality, I forgive all inaccuracies it may contain. Especially haircuts. :-D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ebb and Flow on September 16, 2014, 12:30:48 AM
      @ Ebb and Flow

      I get fed up with these criticisms because they are downright pointless at the moment. Take VDPs hair: as I said above, no one has any idea if the hairdressers had done their job yet. You complained that the guys weren't posing on the woodie correctly - when you have no idea if the cameras were rolling or not. You claim "it wouldn't have been that difficult to get it right" (regarding the woodie) yet you have no idea what the budget, availability, timing was like for this project.

      I really doubt it was a question of budget.  I can't imagine a yellow model A ford truck being any more or less expensive to rent for a day than the woodie they ended up using, though I'm not an expert in such things.  It's really a question of whether they cared enough to match the vehicle on the cover or not, which they clearly didn't.  I also think they might have thought a stereotypical woodie station wagon matched the Beach Boys early image more than reality.  And yes, I'm going to assume cameras were rolling when a bunch of dudes are posing for the cameras in costume.  Why wouldn't I?  It's not even really possible to pose the same way on that vehicle, which they probably found out on set.

      I still think there's a difference between something like somebody's haircut and a scene that is specifically referencing a piece of visual iconography like an album cover.  Imagine a Beatles movie where they replicated the Rubber Soul photoshoot and they were all posed differently or any aspect of it was off.  Do you think that would fly?  Maybe The Beach Boys aren't deemed important enough to warrant that sort of attention to detail?

      Again, I don't think the inaccuracies will have any bearing on the overall quality of the film, but I also don't think it's something that should be brushed aside as just something movies do.  Usually when movies are tasked to recreate certain moments that are based on a photograph or something iconographic they stick to the details.

      I guess we can go back to discussing how a movie very few of us have seen is going to be nominated for best picture.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ToneBender631 on September 16, 2014, 05:23:21 AM
      @ Ebb and Flow

      I get fed up with these criticisms because they are downright pointless at the moment. Take VDPs hair: as I said above, no one has any idea if the hairdressers had done their job yet. You complained that the guys weren't posing on the woodie correctly - when you have no idea if the cameras were rolling or not. You claim "it wouldn't have been that difficult to get it right" (regarding the woodie) yet you have no idea what the budget, availability, timing was like for this project.

      I really doubt it was a question of budget.  I can't imagine a yellow model A ford truck being any more or less expensive to rent for a day than the woodie they ended up using, though I'm not an expert in such things.  It's really a question of whether they cared enough to match the vehicle on the cover or not, which they clearly didn't.  I also think they might have thought a stereotypical woodie station wagon matched the Beach Boys early image more than reality.  And yes, I'm going to assume cameras were rolling when a bunch of dudes are posing for the cameras in costume.  Why wouldn't I?  It's not even really possible to pose the same way on that vehicle, which they probably found out on set.

      I still think there's a difference between something like somebody's haircut and a scene that is specifically referencing a piece of visual iconography like an album cover.  Imagine a Beatles movie where they replicated the Rubber Soul photoshoot and they were all posed differently or any aspect of it was off.  Do you think that would fly?  Maybe The Beach Boys aren't deemed important enough to warrant that sort of attention to detail?

      Again, I don't think the inaccuracies will have any bearing on the overall quality of the film, but I also don't think it's something that should be brushed aside as just something movies do.  Usually when movies are tasked to recreate certain moments that are based on a photograph or something iconographic they stick to the details.

      I guess we can go back to discussing how a movie very few of us have seen is going to be nominated for best picture.

      While Model A's are relatively available, especially given that they're 85 years old at this point, that doesn't mean that they were able to easily locate a truck in the window they were working with, let alone with the ok from the owner to paint and mock it up as needed for "authenticity" purposes.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 16, 2014, 05:58:32 AM
      Imagine a Beatles movie where they replicated the Rubber Soul photoshoot and they were all posed differently or any aspect of it was off.  Do you think that would fly? 

      Or imagine a movie where it shows that John sang Long Tall Sally rather than Paul...oh wait, that actually happened and it flew quite easily.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ebb and Flow on September 16, 2014, 06:19:13 AM
      Imagine a Beatles movie where they replicated the Rubber Soul photoshoot and they were all posed differently or any aspect of it was off.  Do you think that would fly? 

      Or imagine a movie where it shows that John sang Long Tall Sally rather than Paul...oh wait, that actually happened and it flew quite easily.

      It didn't fly with everyone:

      "One of my annoyances about the film Backbeat is that they've actually taken my rock 'n' rollness off me. They give John the song "Long Tall Sally" to sing and he never sang it in his life. But now it's set in cement. It's like the Buddy Holly and Glenn Miller stories. The Buddy Holly Story does not even mention Norman Petty, and The Glenn Miller Story is a sugarcoated version of his life. Now Backbeat has done the same thing to the story of the Beatles."
      -Paul McCartney


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: buddhahat on September 16, 2014, 06:19:44 AM
      This thread raises interesting questions about historical accuracy and when it should/shouldn't give way to other aesthetic choices in the movie.

      Woody vs Actual Ford truck
      Personally I can understand why they'd opt for a woody over the slightly more obscure Ford pickup from the actual shoot. The woody is typically associated with surfing and so it is a very effective signifier of 'surfing in the 60s'. The yellow pickup is a little more niche and, although it would make sense to Beach Boys nuts from a historical perspective, it might confuse the average viewer raising unhelpful questions such as "Why are they all sat in a delivery truck?" etc. OK so maybe nobody's that stupid but within the time constraints of a movie quick, visual communication is key and so historical accuracy in this case was apparently sacrificed for a simple signifier of 60s surfing lifestyle i.e. The Woody. I'd argue the woody works as a broader symbol of 50s/60s America, family, homeliness anyway so it has added value above and beyond the Ford Pickup.

      John Cusack vs Actor who more closely resembles BW
      Again other factors may take precedence over facial similarity to the subject, not least Cusack's box office bankability and status as respected 'indie' actor (remember, he was in that other cool music movie, High Fidelity). I don't think likeness is such an issue in casting an older BW either. If this was a biopic about Paul McCartney (whose face everybody is familiar with) the actor would definitely need to resemble the subject. However, in this case, your average viewer probably isn't even remotely aware of what Brian Wilson looked like in his hey day, let alone the 80s, so the producers have more leeway there.

      Max Schneider's boy band hair vs VDP's actual 60s hair
      I guess for me I feel it's more important to get these little details historically accurate. Whereas the woody and casting of John Cusack serve higher purposes (as signifier of 60s surfing/eisenhower America and heavyweight 'indie' actor respectively), the appearance of a boy-band style swoosh-cut on VDP serves no greater purpose other than to make the guy look cool to viewers of X Factor. As Rab2951 points out, maybe the photo was taken before the stylist got to give him the once-over. I hope that's the case. Either way it's no big deal and would certainly not detract from the movie too much. But I felt the need to justify my anal retentiveness on this issue. I will leave it at that!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: HeyJude on September 16, 2014, 06:24:35 AM
      Imagine a Beatles movie where they replicated the Rubber Soul photoshoot and they were all posed differently or any aspect of it was off.  Do you think that would fly?  

      Or imagine a movie where it shows that John sang Long Tall Sally rather than Paul...oh wait, that actually happened and it flew quite easily.

      Not if you ask Paul McCartney!  :lol Seriously, it is interesting that while McCartney doesn't regularly comment in detail on movies based on the Beatles or biographies, etc., he has on several occasions specifically mentioned finding it odd that they had Lennon singing that song in "Backbeat" when he *never* sang the song with the Beatles.

      While McCartney has always had a complex about a romanticized/martyred Lennon, I think in this case it was a valid complaint, even if McCartney was making it more out of defensiveness than historical accuracy. There are things in such movies that clearly would be nitpicking (wrong model or make of a vintage car), but having Lennon sing a song that, especially in more recent times reading Lewisohn's biography on the group, was clearly an integral part of the Beatles' early years and their fanbase and McCartney's development as a vocalist, is a pretty lame movie as a filmmaker.

      A closer comparison would be if a Beach Boys movie depicted Brian singing the lead on "Surfin'" or Mike writing "Surfer Girl."


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 16, 2014, 06:28:02 AM
      Imagine a Beatles movie where they replicated the Rubber Soul photoshoot and they were all posed differently or any aspect of it was off.  Do you think that would fly? 

      Or imagine a movie where it shows that John sang Long Tall Sally rather than Paul...oh wait, that actually happened and it flew quite easily.

      It didn't fly with everyone:

      "One of my annoyances about the film Backbeat is that they've actually taken my rock 'n' rollness off me. They give John the song "Long Tall Sally" to sing and he never sang it in his life. But now it's set in cement. It's like the Buddy Holly and Glenn Miller stories. The Buddy Holly Story does not even mention Norman Petty, and The Glenn Miller Story is a sugarcoated version of his life. Now Backbeat has done the same thing to the story of the Beatles."
      -Paul McCartney

      Sure, McCartney didn't like it (no surprise there - has there ever been a representation of the Beatles that he enjoyed? The man had problems with The Rutles) but it happened nevertheless.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 16, 2014, 06:35:43 AM
      While McCartney has always had a complex about a romanticized/martyred Lennon, I think in this case it was a valid complaint, even if McCartney was making it more out of defensiveness than historical accuracy. There are things in such movies that clearly would be nitpicking (wrong model or make of a vintage car), but having Lennon sing a song that, especially in more recent times reading Lewisohn's biography on the group, was clearly an integral part of the Beatles' early years and their fanbase and McCartney's development as a vocalist, is a pretty lame movie as a filmmaker.

      A closer comparison would be if a Beach Boys movie depicted Brian singing the lead on "Surfin'" or Mike writing "Surfer Girl."

      OK - but my point is not that it is acceptable or unacceptable in Backbeat or to compare errors on some kind of scale. The poster above suggested that they would never get a fact wrong in a Beatles biopic since people would care a lot more to get things right for The Beatles than they would for the forever-slighted Beach Boys, when in reality there are glaring errors in Beatles biopics.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: rab2591 on September 16, 2014, 07:07:11 AM
      I really doubt it was a question of budget.  I can't imagine a yellow model A ford truck being any more or less expensive to rent for a day than the woodie they ended up using, though I'm not an expert in such things.  It's really a question of whether they cared enough to match the vehicle on the cover or not, which they clearly didn't.

      One man funded this whole film (so I'm fairly certain that budget was an issue for this project). One reviewer said that they were amazed that the set design was so accurate considering this film's budget was likely peanuts. Every little nickel and dime adds up (perhaps they wanted to put more money into the Columbia Studios scenes than the short intro snippet for the Surfin Safari photo shoot)...so assuming that it wasn't a question of budget is rather unfair to the filmmakers. Also, it could've been a matter of timing "yes we found a Model A Ford truck but it won't be available during the time we film that scene." - timing is everything when it comes to filming these Hollywood movies.

      A million different scenarios could've happened surrounding this truck - thus I think it's incredibly unfair to say that the filmmakers "clearly didn't" care enough.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on September 16, 2014, 07:15:35 AM
      This thread raises interesting questions about historical accuracy and when it should/shouldn't give way to other aesthetic choices in the movie.

      Woody vs Actual Ford truck
      Personally I can understand why they'd opt for a woody over the slightly more obscure Ford pickup from the actual shoot. The woody is typically associated with surfing and so it is a very effective signifier of 'surfing in the 60s'. The yellow pickup is a little more niche and, although it would make sense to Beach Boys nuts from a historical perspective, it might confuse the average viewer raising unhelpful questions such as "Why are they all sat in a delivery truck?" etc. OK so maybe nobody's that stupid but within the time constraints of a movie quick, visual communication is key and so historical accuracy in this case was apparently sacrificed for a simple signifier of 60s surfing lifestyle i.e. The Woody. I'd argue the woody works as a broader symbol of 50s/60s America, family, homeliness anyway so it has added value above and beyond the Ford Pickup.

      John Cusack vs Actor who more closely resembles BW
      Again other factors may take precedence over facial similarity to the subject, not least Cusack's box office bankability and status as respected 'indie' actor (remember, he was in that other cool music movie, High Fidelity). I don't think likeness is such an issue in casting an older BW either. If this was a biopic about Paul McCartney (whose face everybody is familiar with) the actor would definitely need to resemble the subject. However, in this case, your average viewer probably isn't even remotely aware of what Brian Wilson looked like in his hey day, let alone the 80s, so the producers have more leeway there.

      Max Schneider's boy band hair vs VDP's actual 60s hair
      I guess for me I feel it's more important to get these little details historically accurate. Whereas the woody and casting of John Cusack serve higher purposes (as signifier of 60s surfing/eisenhower America and heavyweight 'indie' actor respectively), the appearance of a boy-band style swoosh-cut on VDP serves no greater purpose other than to make the guy look cool to viewers of X Factor. As Rab2951 points out, maybe the photo was taken before the stylist got to give him the once-over. I hope that's the case. Either way it's no big deal and would certainly not detract from the movie too much. But I felt the need to justify my anal retentiveness on this issue. I will leave it at that!


      RE: hairstyle


      Ok-- But let's say the filmmakers intended to depict VDP as "hip and cool." While we might be familiar with what hip and cool in 1966 looked like, does it really translate the same to a modern movie audience? Or would a VDP character actually look a bit square if he was dressed/styled in a super accurate way? What if the little swoosh in VDP's hair is a choice by the filmmakers to help signify to the audience that this guy knows what's up?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Paul J B on September 16, 2014, 07:42:21 AM
      What film exactly has been made that has every detail correct? Theses expectations/hang ups some of you folks have is a way over the top. At the c50 in Milwaukee 2 years ago it was short of a sellout, yet still a huge crowd of thousands and I assure you probably 3 people in that crowd would have any idea what car was used in a photo shoot 50 years ago. Likewise, only a few people would have any real insight as to who VDP was/is and no one would have a clue or care about his hair.

      James Cameron was a lunatic filming Titanic, spending millions of dollars trying to get every detail correct (details almost no one would have ever noticed) and he lucked out because people liked the characters and it became a huge hit. No one cared what pattern was on the flatware.

      Walk The Line was a success and Joaquin Phoenix barely resembled Johnny Cash and Reese Witherspoon as June was even more of a stretch. Their acting was what really mattered and they both did a decent job. It sounds like both Dano and Cusasck do a great ACTING job in this movie.

      Remember Braveheart? Do you think William Wallace even remotely looked like Mel Gibson. I'm sure the guy was a hairy smelly beast no babe like Sophie Marceau would have touched with a ten foot pole. That film was also full of historical inaccuracies but it was still a success, and entertaining, and succeeded in educating many people that a guy most of them had never heard of was a true historicasl figure in 13th century Scotland.

      This film about Brian is NOT a documentary. It is entertainment no matter how serious some of us take Brian and the Boys.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: rab2591 on September 16, 2014, 07:48:40 AM
      Agreed, Paul J B.

      Also, I just want to clarify how difficult shooting these films are. The amount of planning, scheduling, number-crunching is insane when it comes to these projects. Every little thing has to come together at exactly the right time. There are people in small production offices on the phones all day trying to get every prop they'll need for a specific shoot on a specific day. "Will Dano be available that day?" "Yes, and we're filming scenes 8, 10, 15, and 32, but we can't film scene 8 because such-and-such prop won't be available then" etc etc. They have to plan out every scene, secure every prop, call agents, set up scheduling, follow the budget to a T.

      These people are professionals, but sometimes they can't make things work perfectly, so they sometimes have to improvise. It'll happen in every major motion picture. Biopics will be scanned with a magnifying glass by fans, every scene scrutinized (I'll probably end up having a few complaints of my own). But during this scrutiny, we should all step back and appreciate the complexity of making such a film. I think everyone here can agree that we have been blessed to get a filmmaker who put his heart and soul (and money) into this film. And based on the praise, I think a lot of people will walk away from this film with a higher appreciation of Beach Boys music.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 16, 2014, 08:58:29 AM
      Revisiting the SS cover shoot topic again?  ;D 


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Amy B. on September 16, 2014, 09:55:54 AM
      Even the Beach Boys haven't always been accurate. For example, an album cover with one of the band members missing? Brian photographed notating music at the piano?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Larry Franz on September 16, 2014, 10:24:45 AM
      I guess we can go back to discussing how a movie very few of us have seen is going to be nominated for best picture.

      That question doesn't merit much discussion, but relying on the testimony of others (including film critics) is one way we find out about stuff. In this case, in fact, I'd say it's much more likely that other people's testimony will be a more reliable guide to assessing this movie's eventual popularity (including among Oscar voters) than actually seeing the movie ourselves, given our extraordinary, even peculiar, interest in the topic.

      If they haven't done an original song for this movie, then its a shame, because a Brian-penned song winning an Oscar next year would be a shoe-in.

      Again, we wouldn't be the best judge of that. I thought "This Isn't Love" should have been nominated, but that Flintstones movie wasn't exactly a "prestige" project. (Plus the guys playing Fred and Barney didn't look like them at all. :p)



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: rab2591 on September 16, 2014, 10:41:30 AM
      If they haven't done an original song for this movie, then its a shame, because a Brian-penned song winning an Oscar next year would be a shoe-in.

      I wonder if LionsGate will look into this. Whatever was shown at the Toronto Film Festival isn't necessarily what LionsGate will release (some editing may occur)....they could still add in an original from Brian's new album, if they get permission, and if it fits the directors vision.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 16, 2014, 10:42:28 AM
      I want to take this slightly off-topic and mention some points that were also brought up in the "pictures from Love & Mercy" thread earlier this year.

      Do an image search for photos of surfers, surfing, etc from the early 60's, especially those shot on and around the various beaches and surf spots, and notice what kind of cars the dedicated surfers were driving to the beach. You'll see mostly station wagons, vans, plenty of "woody" wagons, converted panel trucks, etc. They were cars which you could either put the boards in the back or strap them to the roof, and the surfers got them because they were practical for what they needed them to do, i.e. getting the boards to the beach of choice. And they were at that time relatively cheap to buy used, and if you needed more room in the back you could simply take out the seats and have even more storage for you and your boards.

      EDIT: Look up the photographer LeRoy Grannis for some amazing vintage surf/beach shots like these:

      (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fQud65Z8a6o/TcwDP9EglyI/AAAAAAAAG8U/BfQHAxmrLYM/s1600/1587_1000.jpg)
      (http://www.eatsleepwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/LeRoy-Grannis-Surf-Photography-of-the-1960s-and-1970s-1.jpg)


      Hot rods and customs on the other hand were for a totally different purpose, whether it be for pure speed for racing, or for "showing" and cruising in a really hot ride. Notice many of the hot rods of the era, including those shown on several Beach Boys images and even album covers, had a lot of detail and focus on the engine, and often had the hood or hood panels removed to expose the engine and the various customizations done to the engine. This would include chroming the block, customized intakes/carburetors for more power, etc. All the technical/mechanical details that make a hot rod look, well, like a hot rod! But beyond looks each element and detail of those cars had a mechanical purpose too, and most of it was for increased speed and performance.

      The point to consider is that when a "scene" is going to be marketed to the general public, many of whom wouldn't know an intake manifold from a Hurst shifter and likewise knew little about surfing besides someone riding a board in the ocean, they will go for style and "pop" over realism.

      So often the more stylized imagery was chosen over the realistic images related to those scenes, including hot rodding and surfing in the early 60's. When the Beach Boys played Ed Sullivan in '64, they dressed the set with stereotypical hot rods/customs, with all the trimmings including the chromed-out engine block, the big intakes sticking out, etc:

      (http://internetfm.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/beach-boys-ed-sullivan.jpg)

      Clearly connecting the band to the hot rod culture, but as far as surfers and surfing, I'm betting no one who spent all that time and money to customize and build a hot rod for speed or even for show would drive that kind of car onto the beach any more than necessary if at all...due to the simple science of what sand can do to those moving engine parts not to mention the salt water and air.  ;D

      That Model A truck on the cover of Surfin Safari - A neat visual for sure, an eye-catcher for sure, the yellow color jumped off the photo as did the various palm branches and other trimmings. But were there many actual surfers who regularly surfed in 1961-62 choosing a Model A produce wagon as their vehicle of choice to get them and their boards to and from the beach?

      Take a look at vintage photos taken at surfing spots and various beaches known for surfing in the early 60's and there is the answer. The more common choice was the station wagon or some variation of a wagon or a van/panel truck. It's all in the vintage photos, and it can be cool just to look at how things were in and around what became a "scene".

      But when that is marketed, I'd say even as far back as that SS cover shoot, they went with a stylized visual over the reality of what you'd usually find surfers driving to the beaches. Which is par for the course, just like the Sullivan show dressed the set for the Beach Boys with very stylized custom hot rods.

      One last example on this off-topic kick, this album cover from '64. The car on the left is the more common choice for surfers, the classic 'woody" wagon. The car on the right with the exposed engine is the classic hot rod/custom from that era. So they were going for a strong visual covering both the hot rod and the surf cultures to connect with the music, and in this case there is a separation where the hot rodders would not drive the surfers' type of cars, and vice versa, yet they both came together in the music celebrating both "scenes":

      (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/3568431812_d6b57b0359.jpg)

      I'd suggest if Capitol had used a "woody" wagon for that SS cover shoot over 50 years ago, it would have been more authentic and "real" to the scene (if we're going for realism), but they went with a more striking visual with that yellow Model A produce truck even though it would not have been as practical or as common to those who actually surfed.

      Just FYI, nothing really relative to debating the movie stills... :)



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 16, 2014, 11:44:44 AM
       Think the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the movie makers have taken the opportunity to correct a 52-year-old historic inaccuracy, by substituting a not-fit-for-purpose yellow automobile with a more authentic woodie. Perhaps this was Brian's own suggestion to the producer, that that was the vehicle he'd have chosen back in the day, if only Mike had remembered to top up the tank.

      We should have a poll: how many Smilers are going to stay home in protest and refuse to go see this movie because the VDP character has parted his hair wrong?

      Not me!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Amy B. on September 16, 2014, 12:43:14 PM
      If they haven't done an original song for this movie, then its a shame, because a Brian-penned song winning an Oscar next year would be a shoe-in.

      I wonder if LionsGate will look into this. Whatever was shown at the Toronto Film Festival isn't necessarily what LionsGate will release (some editing may occur)....they could still add in an original from Brian's new album, if they get permission, and if it fits the directors vision.


      A new Brian song, playing over the closing credits.    :-D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ebb and Flow on September 16, 2014, 02:08:02 PM
      While McCartney has always had a complex about a romanticized/martyred Lennon, I think in this case it was a valid complaint, even if McCartney was making it more out of defensiveness than historical accuracy. There are things in such movies that clearly would be nitpicking (wrong model or make of a vintage car), but having Lennon sing a song that, especially in more recent times reading Lewisohn's biography on the group, was clearly an integral part of the Beatles' early years and their fanbase and McCartney's development as a vocalist, is a pretty lame movie as a filmmaker.

      A closer comparison would be if a Beach Boys movie depicted Brian singing the lead on "Surfin'" or Mike writing "Surfer Girl."

      OK - but my point is not that it is acceptable or unacceptable in Backbeat or to compare errors on some kind of scale. The poster above suggested that they would never get a fact wrong in a Beatles biopic since people would care a lot more to get things right for The Beatles than they would for the forever-slighted Beach Boys, when in reality there are glaring errors in Beatles biopics.

      "Backbeat" was not officially endorsed by the living Beatles or EMI in any way.  They didn't even have the rights to use any Beatles songs and depicted the only era of the group where it would be possible to use only cover songs.  I think comparing the accuracy of that film to "Love And Mercy" is suspect.

      I really think a Beatles biopic with the full weight of EMI, Ringo/Paul behind it would probably strive for little details and minutiae like this to be correct, especially when referencing iconic album covers and filmed/photographed appearances.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 16, 2014, 02:21:59 PM
      "Backbeat" was not officially endorsed by the living Beatles or EMI in any way.  They didn't even have the rights to use any Beatles songs and depicted the only era of the group where it would be possible to use only cover songs.  I think comparing the accuracy of that film to "Love And Mercy" is suspect.

      I'm really not sure what your point is, then. I thought you were suggesting that a Beatles biopic wouldn't contain errors but now you're suggesting that's not the case?

      It's not as if Love & Mercy was a movie sanctioned by Brian Wilson or BriMel or whatever. And the fact is, I'd be surprised if there would ever be a biopic that had "the full weight of EMI, Ringo/Paul" behind it, since The Beatles are so protective of their brand.

      What you seem to be saying is that no Beatles movie would ever contain errors, except for the ones that do but thankfully they don't count.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 16, 2014, 02:38:21 PM
      I don't know what went on behind the scenes of 'Backbeat' but it is a good case why it is in the interest of the artist to be involved. If McCartney was approached but declined any involvement it is a bit rich to be critical after the fact. If a movie is going to be made regardless, they may as well have some say IMO whether they agree or not with the concept.

      L&M seems to be endorsed by camp Wilson and their input may have raised the game of all involved.  


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 16, 2014, 02:49:32 PM
      Backbeat wasn't about The Beatles. It was about the John Lennon's, Stu Sutcliffe and Astrid Kerscher love triangle. Who was singing what was tertiary to that. Paul was barely even a supporting character in that film.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 16, 2014, 02:55:58 PM
      That may be correct but to many L&M will be a Beach Boy movie rather than Brian Wilson.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: rab2591 on September 16, 2014, 02:57:59 PM
      That may be correct but to many L&M will be a Beach Boy movie rather than Brian Wilson.

      "Brian Wilson is the Beach Boys."  :-D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 16, 2014, 03:02:35 PM
      True!

      Nowhere Boy was a better Lennon film while on the subject of Beatles bio's IMO.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 16, 2014, 03:21:39 PM
      With "Backbeat" even the promotions were focused in on the John-Stu-Astrid relationship, I used to have the movie poster hanging in my place.  :)  So it's true they weren't trying to bill it as a dedicated Beatles film, but more of a focus on those three individuals within the Beatles story from that time. Obviously it's tough to focus in on a few pieces when the "whole" involves anything as big as the Beatles, but ultimately it was the Beatles characters as supporting roles. I thought the film was decent! I liked the soundtrack, still do.

      With that in mind, I don't know how "Love And Mercy" could be considered a Beach Boys film when the focus is clearly on what happened with Brian and Landy, and like Backbeat the fact that Brian was in the Beach Boys would play a supporting role to the focus of the story, which was Brian, Landy, and Melinda and how it all played out. Some have commented on why the roles of Carl, Dennis, etc were not more defined in the story, and it seems to be a case of telling this particular story would put them into more of a supporting role because the focus was not too heavy on their roles in the story being told, just like Paul or George when "Backbeat" told its story.

      Interesting side-note about Paul and Hamburg, there was recently a bit of a dust-up after some letters sent home by Stu Sutcliffe from Hamburg on one of the earlier Beatles' residencies there were released, and they told a version of the Hamburg legend that suggested Paul was on the outs with the other band members, and suggested the tensions were becoming something of an outcasting situation, beyond what everyone had already read about the tensions between Paul and Stu. I haven't kept up with the follow-ups or what if anything was done, but apparently those letters or the author who published them in his book caused something of a row with Paul.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: buddhahat on September 16, 2014, 03:25:34 PM
      This thread raises interesting questions about historical accuracy and when it should/shouldn't give way to other aesthetic choices in the movie.

      Woody vs Actual Ford truck
      Personally I can understand why they'd opt for a woody over the slightly more obscure Ford pickup from the actual shoot. The woody is typically associated with surfing and so it is a very effective signifier of 'surfing in the 60s'. The yellow pickup is a little more niche and, although it would make sense to Beach Boys nuts from a historical perspective, it might confuse the average viewer raising unhelpful questions such as "Why are they all sat in a delivery truck?" etc. OK so maybe nobody's that stupid but within the time constraints of a movie quick, visual communication is key and so historical accuracy in this case was apparently sacrificed for a simple signifier of 60s surfing lifestyle i.e. The Woody. I'd argue the woody works as a broader symbol of 50s/60s America, family, homeliness anyway so it has added value above and beyond the Ford Pickup.

      John Cusack vs Actor who more closely resembles BW
      Again other factors may take precedence over facial similarity to the subject, not least Cusack's box office bankability and status as respected 'indie' actor (remember, he was in that other cool music movie, High Fidelity). I don't think likeness is such an issue in casting an older BW either. If this was a biopic about Paul McCartney (whose face everybody is familiar with) the actor would definitely need to resemble the subject. However, in this case, your average viewer probably isn't even remotely aware of what Brian Wilson looked like in his hey day, let alone the 80s, so the producers have more leeway there.

      Max Schneider's boy band hair vs VDP's actual 60s hair
      I guess for me I feel it's more important to get these little details historically accurate. Whereas the woody and casting of John Cusack serve higher purposes (as signifier of 60s surfing/eisenhower America and heavyweight 'indie' actor respectively), the appearance of a boy-band style swoosh-cut on VDP serves no greater purpose other than to make the guy look cool to viewers of X Factor. As Rab2951 points out, maybe the photo was taken before the stylist got to give him the once-over. I hope that's the case. Either way it's no big deal and would certainly not detract from the movie too much. But I felt the need to justify my anal retentiveness on this issue. I will leave it at that!


      RE: hairstyle


      Ok-- But let's say the filmmakers intended to depict VDP as "hip and cool." While we might be familiar with what hip and cool in 1966 looked like, does it really translate the same to a modern movie audience? Or would a VDP character actually look a bit square if he was dressed/styled in a super accurate way? What if the little swoosh in VDP's hair is a choice by the filmmakers to help signify to the audience that this guy knows what's up?

      Very good point. I'm sold!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 16, 2014, 03:53:52 PM
      With "Backbeat" even the promotions were focused in on the John-Stu-Astrid relationship, I used to have the movie poster hanging in my place.  :)  So it's true they weren't trying to bill it as a dedicated Beatles film, but more of a focus on those three individuals within the Beatles story from that time. Obviously it's tough to focus in on a few pieces when the "whole" involves anything as big as the Beatles, but ultimately it was the Beatles characters as supporting roles. I thought the film was decent! I liked the soundtrack, still do.

      I agree. Not a bad movie.

      Quote
      Interesting side-note about Paul and Hamburg, there was recently a bit of a dust-up after some letters sent home by Stu Sutcliffe from Hamburg on one of the earlier Beatles' residencies there were released, and they told a version of the Hamburg legend that suggested Paul was on the outs with the other band members, and suggested the tensions were becoming something of an outcasting situation, beyond what everyone had already read about the tensions between Paul and Stu. I haven't kept up with the follow-ups or what if anything was done, but apparently those letters or the author who published them in his book caused something of a row with Paul.

      I'm not sure but the recent Mark Lewisohn book has a fair amount about that. It was one of the most revelatory moments in the book. Stu wrote about how everyone in the band was hating Paul during the first Hamburg trip. Paul seemed to be mostly sulking because he didn't get the good room, didn't like Stu, and didn't get on with their new German friends.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 16, 2014, 05:47:39 PM
      That may be correct but to many L&M will be a Beach Boy movie rather than Brian Wilson.

      That may be. But I don't see how the ignorance of the hypothetical "they" really comes into play here, especially once we assume they have actually seen the movie.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ebb and Flow on September 17, 2014, 12:51:51 AM
      I'm really not sure what your point is, then. I thought you were suggesting that a Beatles biopic wouldn't contain errors but now you're suggesting that's not the case? It's not as if Love & Mercy was a movie sanctioned by Brian Wilson or BriMel or whatever.

      I think whether or not it was "sanctioned" by them, Brian was a producer and was clearly involved in the production.  It has his blessing.  The use of actual masters in the soundtrack for instance?  "Backbeat" primarily told the story of two dead men and the only Beatles recording used in the soundtrack was "My Bonnie" by Tony Sheridan.  Apples and Oranges.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Amy B. on September 17, 2014, 06:56:50 AM
      I'm really not sure what your point is, then. I thought you were suggesting that a Beatles biopic wouldn't contain errors but now you're suggesting that's not the case? It's not as if Love & Mercy was a movie sanctioned by Brian Wilson or BriMel or whatever.

      I think whether or not it was "sanctioned" by them, Brian was a producer and was clearly involved in the production.  It has his blessing.  The use of actual masters in the soundtrack for instance?  "Backbeat" primarily told the story of two dead men and the only Beatles recording used in the soundtrack was "My Bonnie" by Tony Sheridan.  Apples and Oranges.

      But there's a difference between "Hey, John never sang 'Long Tall Sally'," which is a pretty glaring error, and "Hey, VDP's hair looks a little too modern in this scene," which could just be that the wind blew it that way. Boy band hair usually requires a blow dryer and a brush. The guy playing VDP probably just had his combed wrong.

      BTW, I will admit I have trouble watching old episodes of MASH because no one had their hair like that in the 50s!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 17, 2014, 07:12:15 AM
      I'm really not sure what your point is, then. I thought you were suggesting that a Beatles biopic wouldn't contain errors but now you're suggesting that's not the case? It's not as if Love & Mercy was a movie sanctioned by Brian Wilson or BriMel or whatever.

      I think whether or not it was "sanctioned" by them, Brian was a producer

      No he wasn't.

      Quote
      and was clearly involved in the production.

      Was he really? I'm really not sure - could you point to a source on that?

      Quote
      It has his blessing.  The use of actual masters in the soundtrack for instance?  "Backbeat" primarily told the story of two dead men and the only Beatles recording used in the soundtrack was "My Bonnie" by Tony Sheridan.  Apples and Oranges.

      Yes, they are different movies. No one is arguing against that. However, you are shifting the goal posts. Your original point was that a Beatles biopic would not contain an error. You never added any caveat about how no Beatles biopic that had the Beatles "blessing" would contain an error. And my hunch is that the reason why you didn't say that is because at that point, that's not what you meant. You're throwing this in now because the second I produced an example that countered your argument you looked for a way to de-legitimize it. The fact is that you can't name a biopic on anyone, blessing or not, that doesn't have some kind of error in it. Are the errors in the Summer Dream movie some how more acceptable or understandable to you because the movie didn't have anyone's blessing?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 17, 2014, 08:08:31 AM
      I'm really not sure what your point is, then. I thought you were suggesting that a Beatles biopic wouldn't contain errors but now you're suggesting that's not the case? It's not as if Love & Mercy was a movie sanctioned by Brian Wilson or BriMel or whatever.

      I think whether or not it was "sanctioned" by them, Brian was a producer

      No he wasn't.

      I'll wager you... oh, the entire US and UK National Debts combined that Brian is listed as a producer of the movie by at least one highly reputable online database.

      That's $20,069,241,928 you owe me.  ;D

      Piece of serious advice: before making ill-informed statements like that you really should check that you know WTF you're talking about. It'll save you looking like an idiot. Oh, and $20,069,241,928. I'll take it in hundreds.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 17, 2014, 08:17:42 AM

      Piece of serious advice: before making ill-informed statements like that you really should check that you know WTF you're talking about. It'll save you looking like an idiot. Oh, and $20,069,241,928. I'll take it in hundreds.



      Much like when you claimed that Mike Love was the sole vocalist on the Vegetables demo verse. Fortunately, I'm quite aware that I am as likely to make a mistake as you are or anyone else for that matter.

      Yes, after checking IMDB, Brian is listed as a producer. By the same token, Backbeat had both Astrid Kirchherr and Klaus Voormann as assistants.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 17, 2014, 09:37:18 AM
      I could have sworn I read something a while back that said Brian was no longer going to be listed as a producer.  Maybe they changed their minds. 


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: rab2591 on September 17, 2014, 09:46:36 AM
      I'm really not sure what your point is, then. I thought you were suggesting that a Beatles biopic wouldn't contain errors but now you're suggesting that's not the case? It's not as if Love & Mercy was a movie sanctioned by Brian Wilson or BriMel or whatever.

      I think whether or not it was "sanctioned" by them, Brian was a producer

      No he wasn't.

      I'll wager you... oh, the entire US and UK National Debts combined that Brian is listed as a producer of the movie by at least one highly reputable online database.

      That's $20,069,241,928 you owe me.  ;D

      Piece of serious advice: before making ill-informed statements like that you really should check that you know WTF you're talking about. It'll save you looking like an idiot. Oh, and $20,069,241,928. I'll take it in hundreds.



      He may be listed on IMDB (which as I understand works like Wikipedia where anyone can edit the data), but on the Love and Mercy page on the Toronto International Film Festival website Brian Wilson is not listed as a producer of the film. I'd wager that the TIFF website has more reliable info than IMDB, at this point in time.

      http://www.tiff.net/festivals/thefestival/programmes/specialpresentations/love-mercy (http://www.tiff.net/festivals/thefestival/programmes/specialpresentations/love-mercy)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ontor pertawst on September 17, 2014, 09:55:19 AM
      A Brian Wilson producer credit would look pretty ludicrous on a film about him as well... the words "vanity project" would be mentioned in reviews instead of praise for Paul Dano. Even if he did have points in it or something or worked out some deal in exchange for cheaper music clearances, it would be much wiser not to have an onscreen credit.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 17, 2014, 10:31:16 AM
      I somehow doubt Brian was a hands-on producer... but of course, given my recent track record in these matters he probably was.  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ontor pertawst on September 17, 2014, 10:33:44 AM
      Hahahah! Yup, chomping a cigar, hiring and firing people. Barking orders, interviewing starlets.

      Brian Wilson: hands on producer!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 17, 2014, 10:35:17 AM
      Like father like son! ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 17, 2014, 10:42:12 AM
      The image of Brian with a cigar is downright hilarious to me for some reason.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ebb and Flow on September 17, 2014, 11:33:40 AM
      No he wasn't.

      Whether it's no longer the case or not, he was at one point.

      Quote
      Was he really? I'm really not sure - could you point to a source on that?

      I've read at least one interview with Dano where he discussed speaking with Brian personally before acting, receiving his blessing not to mention Brian and his band being involved in the wrap party for the film, presumably while still a producer.

      Quote
      Yes, they are different movies. No one is arguing against that. However, you are shifting the goal posts. Your original point was that a Beatles biopic would not contain an error.

      What I meant was a high caliber Beatles biopic with the Beatles having some tacit involvement, which has obviously yet to be made (despite your insistence that "Backbeat" is such a film).  Which is what Love and Mercy is to an extent with Brian Wilson/the Beach Boys.  It's a high profile, decent budgetish movie and comes with a lot more expectations.

      Quote
      The fact is that you can't name a biopic on anyone, blessing or not, that doesn't have some kind of error in it.
      Again, re-read my posts.  I'm not against any sort of revisionism.  I realize films often have to dramatize aspects of real life.  I enjoy the Buddy Holly story even though much is changed or left out.  I'm actually looking forward to how Smile is depicted in this, even though I know the real story is more complicated.

      However I do think changing the iconography of something like an album cover IS slightly egregious and is usually NOT something these sorts of movies deviate from.  We're talking about changing the visual identity of something because of budgetary concerns or whatever excuse there was.

      Quote
      Are the errors in the Summer Dream movie some how more acceptable or understandable to you because the movie didn't have anyone's blessing?

      Seriously, are we now using the Summer Dreams TV movie of the week (based on Brian's "autobiography") as some sort of example now? Gimme a break.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 17, 2014, 12:04:12 PM
      Seriously, are we now using the Summer Dreams TV movie of the week (based on Brian's "autobiography") as some sort of example now? Gimme a break.

      [koff] Summer Dreams was based on the Gaines book. Being released in 1990 kinda mitigates against it being based on something published in 1991.  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: mtaber on September 17, 2014, 12:35:17 PM
      Andrew - I think the figure you quoted needs a few more zero's... US debt is around 19 TRILLION


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Mendota Heights on September 17, 2014, 12:40:48 PM
      I am really glad this movie has been made and I don't give a truck about the truck.

      (http://s22.postimg.org/e5j9ygwdd/beach_boys2.png)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: rab2591 on September 17, 2014, 12:44:17 PM
      I am really glad this movie has been made and I don't give a truck about the truck.

      Indeed. At best it'll be a 10 second shot during the intro montage. I'd rather them spend the budget on, ya know, actors and props that will be used extensively throughout the film. If people can't connect the dots when it comes to this truck/woodie, then it won't matter anyway. This scene will most likely have no strict bearing on the plot whatsoever.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: PS on September 17, 2014, 09:26:00 PM
      Scene 4

      EXT. BEACH - EARLY 1960s (MAY INCLUDE ARCHIVAL)

      THE BEACH BOYS (singing)

      If everybody had an ocean,
      across the U.S.A.
      Then everybody'd be surfin'
      Like Californ-I-A


      The Beach Boys' classic "SURFIN' U.S.A. bursts on and continues as MAIN CREDITS APPEAR over classic early 1960's beach and surfing footage INTERCUT with Beach Boys promotional films showing the boys on the beach, in their hot rods, and in the studio

      Scene 6

      EXT. BEACH  - EARLY 1960's DAY

      The Beach Boys, wearing heavy Pendleton shirts, are bunched together, holding a surfboard under their arms while posing for cameras. Behind them REAL SURFERS polish boards and take to the waves. Brian-Past smiles toward the PHOTOGRAPHERS as he checks out the scene, wide-eyed and ill-at-ease with the attention of the CAMERAMEN.

      THE BEACH BOYS (OVER)
      (singing)

      All over Manhattan
      And down Doheny way
      Everybody's gone surfin'
      Surfin' U.S.A....


      Scene 7

      INT. SMALL VENUE - EARLY 1960's - DAY
      CREDITS CONTINUE...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 17, 2014, 09:50:14 PM
      Scene 4

      EXT. BEACH - EARLY 1960s (MAY INCLUDE ARCHIVAL)

      THE BEACH BOYS (singing)

      If everybody had an ocean,
      across the U.S.A.
      Then everybody'd be surfin'
      Like Californ-I-A


      The Beach Boys' classic "SURFIN' U.S.A. bursts on and continues as MAIN CREDITS APPEAR over classic early 1960's beach and surfing footage INTERCUT with Beach Boys promotional films showing the boys on the beach, in their hot rods, and in the studio

      Scene 6

      EXT. BEACH  - EARLY 1960's DAY

      The Beach Boys, wearing heavy Pendleton shirts, are bunched together, holding a surfboard under their arms while posing for cameras. Behind them REAL SURFERS polish boards and take to the waves. Brian-Past smiles toward the PHOTOGRAPHERS as he checks out the scene, wide-eyed and ill-at-ease with the attention of the CAMERAMEN.

      THE BEACH BOYS (OVER)
      (singing)

      All over Manhattan
      And down Doheny way
      Everybody's gone surfin'
      Surfin' U.S.A....


      Scene 7

      INT. SMALL VENUE - EARLY 1960's - DAY
      CREDITS CONTINUE...



      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/laconfidential_zps5dc592ec.jpg)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ebb and Flow on September 18, 2014, 12:38:19 AM
      Seriously, are we now using the Summer Dreams TV movie of the week (based on Brian's "autobiography") as some sort of example now? Gimme a break.

      [koff] Summer Dreams was based on the Gaines book. Being released in 1990 kinda mitigates against it being based on something published in 1991.  ;D

      Yeah, I remembered that like 5 minutes after I posted that.  :P


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Cyncie on September 18, 2014, 05:01:43 AM
      Scene 4

      EXT. BEACH - EARLY 1960s (MAY INCLUDE ARCHIVAL)

      THE BEACH BOYS (singing)

      If everybody had an ocean,
      across the U.S.A.
      Then everybody'd be surfin'
      Like Californ-I-A


      The Beach Boys' classic "SURFIN' U.S.A. bursts on and continues as MAIN CREDITS APPEAR over classic early 1960's beach and surfing footage INTERCUT with Beach Boys promotional films showing the boys on the beach, in their hot rods, and in the studio

      Scene 6

      EXT. BEACH  - EARLY 1960's DAY

      The Beach Boys, wearing heavy Pendleton shirts, are bunched together, holding a surfboard under their arms while posing for cameras. Behind them REAL SURFERS polish boards and take to the waves. Brian-Past smiles toward the PHOTOGRAPHERS as he checks out the scene, wide-eyed and ill-at-ease with the attention of the CAMERAMEN.

      THE BEACH BOYS (OVER)
      (singing)

      All over Manhattan
      And down Doheny way
      Everybody's gone surfin'
      Surfin' U.S.A....


      Scene 7

      INT. SMALL VENUE - EARLY 1960's - DAY
      CREDITS CONTINUE...



      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/laconfidential_zps5dc592ec.jpg)


      PS posted before the premiere that they had a reading copy of the script. I'm guessing they're using this excerpt to point out the role of the truck.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: PS on September 18, 2014, 08:05:13 AM
      Yes.

      According to the script, the entire beach promo scene in question is indeed, as rab2591 suggests, just part of the opening credit montage sequence - and will likely be on screen - max - during the time it takes to sing that verse and while we're reading the cast and crew names, etc. Scene 5 is at a press conference, Scene 7 is at a screaming girls gig with Murry and Audree present, all with credits still rolling...

      So during the first few minutes alone we get excerpts from:

      Don't Worry Baby (studio scene)

      OPENING CREDIT montage
      Surfin' USA
      Surfer Girl ("live" at small venue)
      and Fun Fun fun ("live" at small venue)

      Goes right to

      Scene 10

      INT. CADILLAC DEALERSHIP. LOS ANGELES. 1986. DAY
      Kenny G's "SONGBIRD" is playing on the showroom amps.

      Now that collision of music in the time/space continuum tells you a lot about what they'll be doing with the soundtrack and the sound montage as the 60's transitions into/gets ruptured by the 80's - and vice versa.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 18, 2014, 05:11:52 PM

      3rd bad review (2 and 1/2 stars):

      http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2014/09/tiff-14-seymour-an-introduction-love-mercy-whiplash.html


      70% on RT:

      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 18, 2014, 05:51:29 PM
      That reviewer has no credibility with me with lines like:
      Quote
      As an aside, I resented the movie's use of “Wouldn't It Be Nice”--over the final fade-out, no less: Wilson's entitlement to it or not, that song now and forever belongs to the ending of Shampoo.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: wantsomecorn on September 18, 2014, 06:40:51 PM

      3rd bad review (2 and 1/2 stars):

      http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2014/09/tiff-14-seymour-an-introduction-love-mercy-whiplash.html


      70% on RT:

      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/

      For only 10 reviews, that's pretty good.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 18, 2014, 07:40:59 PM
      That reviewer has no credibility with me with lines like:
      Quote
      As an aside, I resented the movie's use of “Wouldn't It Be Nice”--over the final fade-out, no less: Wilson's entitlement to it or not, that song now and forever belongs to the ending of Shampoo.

      Yeah, I thought the same. It's just stupid.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: joshferrell on September 18, 2014, 07:46:42 PM
      That reviewer has no credibility with me with lines like:
      Quote
      As an aside, I resented the movie's use of “Wouldn't It Be Nice”--over the final fade-out, no less: Wilson's entitlement to it or not, that song now and forever belongs to the ending of Shampoo.

      Yeah, I thought the same. It's just stupid.
      I remember playing WIBN on a jukebox once and this guy and his girlfriend both said "It's the song from 50 first dates." and I thought to myself "wow they aren't very smart.." lol...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Jonathan Blum on September 18, 2014, 09:03:04 PM
      I'll wager you... oh, the entire US and UK National Debts combined that Brian is listed as a producer of the movie by at least one highly reputable online database.

      That's $20,069,241,928 you owe me.  ;D

      ...If it's IMDB you're talking about, AGD, then I think you'd better pay up -- a lot of the edits to their film listings are done by fans, and are notoriously unreliable.  We've known that since Doctor Who came back, and for many years someone had an entry under it listing Norman Lovett as Davros...

      Cheers,
      Jon Blum


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Paul J B on September 19, 2014, 07:20:43 AM

      3rd bad review (2 and 1/2 stars):

      http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2014/09/tiff-14-seymour-an-introduction-love-mercy-whiplash.html


      70% on RT:

      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/



      For only 10 reviews, that's pretty good.

      By the time this comes out only 50% of "critics" reviewing it may like it. Their opinions should mean nothing to you folks as they mean nothing to me. The thing I do like about rotten tomatoes is that once a film is out, ratings based from the actual audience are displayed. That means real people that have an interest in the subject matter and not some prima donna blowhard who is there because some rag sent them there.

      *my grammer was so bad after re-reading this I had to fix it.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 19, 2014, 07:27:31 AM
      It seems the common complaint among the negative reviews is that they can't handle the shock of how little Dano and Cusack resemble each other.

      (http://cdn1.akamai.coub.com/coub/simple/cw_gif_big/6543176200e/d7fb0776a861b44db4d20/1386944545_15xq4m8_eq8a9xc.gif)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 19, 2014, 08:33:43 AM
      Meh. There's a lot of folk in the movie who don't look anything like the person being portrayed.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ontor pertawst on September 19, 2014, 08:40:08 AM
      Can you imagine the horrible actors we'd have to endure if biopics mainly were concerned with casting lookalikes?

      Still, I bet Tim Beasley was heartbroken not to have gotten a callback.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggQfP5Tz_74


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: donald on September 19, 2014, 08:56:13 AM
      I am really glad this movie has been made and I don't give a truck about the truck.

      (http://s22.postimg.org/e5j9ygwdd/beach_boys2.png)


      CAPTION:   Right over there!  THATS where we'll find shrimp!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 20, 2014, 04:52:21 AM
      Billboard story. Soundtrack on the way.

      http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6258962/love-mercy-john-cusack-paul-dano-brian-wilson-beach-boys


      Capitol will release a soundtrack of Love & Mercy, Pohlad told Billboard, although he has no further details. He is still talking with distributors about picking up the film.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Les P on September 20, 2014, 10:55:13 AM
      Billboard story. Soundtrack on the way.

      http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6258962/love-mercy-john-cusack-paul-dano-brian-wilson-beach-boys


      Capitol will release a soundtrack of Love & Mercy, Pohlad told Billboard, although he has no further details. He is still talking with distributors about picking up the film.

      Thanks for posting!  And this is tantalizing...

      "...it was a matter of also building trust with Brian and Melinda so they would open up more of the unreleased stuff or the tracking sessions that they have."

      It's good to hear that a soundtrack is definitely in the works.  The film might sell some Brian Wilson music, maybe we'll get some previously unreleased tracks, and there's no reason to hold up his new album to coincide with the film's release.   

      It seems like the people involved in making this movie really tried to capture Brian Wilson, and really "got" the music.  It feels like the right people came together to make this film, just as Darian Sahanaja and Brian's band were the right midwives for BWPS.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 20, 2014, 11:07:06 AM
      It's good to hear that a soundtrack is definitely in the works.  The film might sell some Brian Wilson music, maybe we'll get some previously unreleased tracks, and there's no reason to hold up his new album to coincide with the film's release.   

      I think the soundtrack definitely will have some unreleased stuff on it. Probably a demo or something along those lines (maybe that "Airplane" demo?).
      I mean, they have the public's attention who saw the movie and who don't own the muisc, but how do you get the devoted fans to buy it? Put something on there they don't already own.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 20, 2014, 01:23:05 PM
      Billboard story. Soundtrack on the way.

      http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6258962/love-mercy-john-cusack-paul-dano-brian-wilson-beach-boys


      Capitol will release a soundtrack of Love & Mercy, Pohlad told Billboard, although he has no further details. He is still talking with distributors about picking up the film.

      Thanks for posting!  And this is tantalizing...

      "...it was a matter of also building trust with Brian and Melinda so they would open up more of the unreleased stuff or the tracking sessions that they have."

      It's good to hear that a soundtrack is definitely in the works.  The film might sell some Brian Wilson music, maybe we'll get some previously unreleased tracks, and there's no reason to hold up his new album to coincide with the film's release.   

      It seems like the people involved in making this movie really tried to capture Brian Wilson, and really "got" the music.  It feels like the right people came together to make this film, just as Darian Sahanaja and Brian's band were the right midwives for BWPS.



      I remain cautiously optimistic… what's regarded as "unreleased" in some quarters is sometimes widely known by a hardcore fan base and might have had omitted official airings that the general public might not have been widely aware of. The actors, for example, appear not to have been away of PSS or TSS before they were cast on the movie.

      That said, I'd love for us to get Til I Die with original lyrics or the cassette demo of SOS!!!!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: bgas on September 20, 2014, 01:38:04 PM
      Billboard story. Soundtrack on the way.

      http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6258962/love-mercy-john-cusack-paul-dano-brian-wilson-beach-boys


      Capitol will release a soundtrack of Love & Mercy, Pohlad told Billboard, although he has no further details. He is still talking with distributors about picking up the film.

      Thanks for posting!  And this is tantalizing...

      "...it was a matter of also building trust with Brian and Melinda so they would open up more of the unreleased stuff or the tracking sessions that they have."

      It's good to hear that a soundtrack is definitely in the works.  The film might sell some Brian Wilson music, maybe we'll get some previously unreleased tracks, and there's no reason to hold up his new album to coincide with the film's release.   

      It seems like the people involved in making this movie really tried to capture Brian Wilson, and really "got" the music.  It feels like the right people came together to make this film, just as Darian Sahanaja and Brian's band were the right midwives for BWPS.



      I remain cautiously optimistic… what's regarded as "unreleased" in some quarters is sometimes widely known by a hardcore fan base and might have had omitted official airings that the general public might not have been widely aware of. The actors, for example, appear not to have been away of PSS or TSS before they were cast on the movie.

      That said, I'd love for us to get Til I Die with original lyrics or the cassette demo of SOS!!!!!

      Funny. 
      Why is there thought the soundtrack will have any unreleased BBs tracks? 
      I'm more inclinedto think  it will be some background themes from the movie( if there are any), along with the songs as performed by Paul Dano/John Cusack. ( do they both sing?)

      Anyway, you wouldn't want those "original" Til I Die lyrics messing with anyone's brain/taking away from the soundtrack cuts now would ya? 
      I've found my way, hey hey hey !


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Les P on September 20, 2014, 01:42:53 PM
      I believe the soundtrack is likely to have some unreleased BW (not BB) tracks for the reason Bubbly Waves stated:  to make us hardcores buy it.

      Though I suppose they might just toss us a new stereo mix instead.



      That said, I'd love for us to get Til I Die with original lyrics or the cassette demo of SOS!!!!!

      If there was ever a time for the so-called "Bedroom Tapes" to surface, I'd say it was 2015.

      And that SOS writing session would make a great scene in the 6-hour mini-series about Brian Wilson's life that will be made after the wild success of "Love and Mercy". :)  


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: bgas on September 20, 2014, 01:46:06 PM
      I believe the soundtrack is likely to have some unreleased BW (not BB) tracks for the reason Bubbly Waves stated:  to make us hardcores buy it.



      That said, I'd love for us to get Til I Die with original lyrics or the cassette demo of SOS!!!!!

      If there was ever a time for the so-called "Bedroom Tapes" to surface, I'd say it was 2015.

      And that SOS writing session would make a great scene in the 6-hour mini-series about Brian Wilson's life that will be made after the wild success of "Love and Mercy". :) 

      Maybe they'll just pull the original video of the SOS writing session from the Brother Vaults as a bonus disc for Walmart buyers


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: joshferrell on September 20, 2014, 02:20:11 PM
      I believe the soundtrack is likely to have some unreleased BW (not BB) tracks for the reason Bubbly Waves stated:  to make us hardcores buy it.

      Though I suppose they might just toss us a new stereo mix instead.



      That said, I'd love for us to get Til I Die with original lyrics or the cassette demo of SOS!!!!!

      If there was ever a time for the so-called "Bedroom Tapes" to surface, I'd say it was 2015.

      And that SOS writing session would make a great scene in the 6-hour mini-series about Brian Wilson's life that will be made after the wild success of "Love and Mercy". :)  
      yes I can't wait to hear the "cough" on Wendy remixed into stereo and the sessions with "Big Daddy" sessions..


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 20, 2014, 03:07:19 PM
      Not to say it won't happen but have any of the other bio's released bonus tracks? Thinking of 'Ray' and 'Walk The Line'? Seems to me the market is those many that watch the movie rather than those few that post here.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 20, 2014, 04:22:33 PM
      Billboard obviously don't realise the movie has been picked up for release.

      Awesome news about the soundtrack though, can't wait!!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: CosmicDancer on September 20, 2014, 06:06:53 PM
      Meh. There's a lot of folk in the movie who don't look anything like the person being portrayed.

      Melinda and Elizabeth Banks.  Not even close.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: CM Punky Brewster on September 20, 2014, 06:33:24 PM


      I am surprised no one has mentioned Darian's credit in the film.


      He played a role in the look and the accuracy in the 1960's musical scenes, going so far as to suggest that real musicians be cast whenever possible. He spent a great deal of time on the set going over details such as the period studio technology in places like Western and Gold Star as well as vintage instrumentation. He was also the musical coach for Paul Dano and the cast members who would be playing music in the film teaching them the songs from the BB oeuvre. And yes, all but one of the Wrecking Crew roles were played by musicians (with the exception of the actor playing Hal Blaine). From what Darian has said, the attention to period detail is similar to what you would see in Mad Men.

      You can't get all points of view in a two hour movie, especially with complex people like the BB family. But what you can do is create a portrait of Brian and try and convey the truth as he saw it.


       


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Stivaktas on September 20, 2014, 06:50:18 PM
      Remember that article in Domenic Priore's Look, Listen, Vibrate, Smile that compared Beach Boys Fans to H.G.Wells' Time Machine characters? Is it not a reference to Michael Kemp's Pulse review on the Good Vibrations Box Set release in 1993 which rightly splits the casual fan as a morlock and the serious fan as an eloi type? The morlocks go for that surf, car and fun, fun, fun stuff while we eloi are into the Pet Sounds/SMiLE and post-1967 era more. Thank God that Love and Mercy is a gift for the eloi, looking past the one-dimensional biopics of the past that so generalised the Beach Boys as a band. I consider this film a gift to us serious fans, so I'm just happy it is what it is!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on September 20, 2014, 06:52:11 PM


      I am shocked that no one has mentioned anything about Darian's involvement.




      Its early days yet really. We only have a few viewings to go on and some TIFF related media events. I'm sure if and when we get a full release there will be more stories and interviews and, at least as far as this site goes, praise (and criticism)will be given then.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: puni puni on September 20, 2014, 07:07:37 PM


      I am shocked that no one has mentioned anything about Darian's involvement.
      Pohlad recounted a story about the 'music director' who was assigned to work with Dano at his home in New York. Apparently it was a shock to him that Dano could sing.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Kurosawa on September 20, 2014, 08:38:50 PM
      Meh. There's a lot of folk in the movie who don't look anything like the person being portrayed.

      I don't think the beef is that Dano and Cusack don't look like Brian, it's that they don't look like each other, so it is a jar for you to see them playing the same character.  It takes you away from the story and makes you think about the fact that the two Brian actors don't look much alike.

      Not saying I agree with that, having not seen the film, of course.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 20, 2014, 11:12:53 PM
      I am shocked that no one has mentioned anything about Darian's involvement.

      Well, I for one wasn't aware of the nature or depth of that involvement. And many thanks, therefore, for highlighting it here. But why "shocked"? Were these facts already out there, or do you have insider knowledge? I assume the latter, given the fact that you don't attribute the information to anyone/anything else?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: CM Punky Brewster on September 21, 2014, 02:16:14 AM
      I am shocked that no one has mentioned anything about Darian's involvement.

      Well, I for one wasn't aware of the nature or depth of that involvement. And many thanks, therefore, for highlighting it here. But why "shocked"? Were these facts already out there, or do you have insider knowledge? I assume the latter, given the fact that you don't attribute the information to anyone/anything else?

      Well, I would have thought that this would have been leaked out. And I am a bit surprised the main principals never mentioned more. But then again the movie has not been released yet.

      And yes, that info came "from the horse's mouth" as it were.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: leftybass77 on September 21, 2014, 02:46:32 AM
      The early reviews have been very positive yet the Cusack stills from the movie look odd to me. He's wearing a wise-guy leather jacket while in character. I don't get it. 

      The last movie(TV movie) was from Mike Love's perspective and this one seems shaped by Brian's wife --def. an interesting point of view.

      Their story is so juicy you can make 10 films. I can envision another Dennis take(different from the Bruce Greenwood movie) that focuses on his later years in a style of The Wrestler.  You could focus on his last days and open with that Steve Gaines scene of him stealing his own child from a rent by week hotel. 

      I'm curious if Love & Mercy acknowledges the musical talent of Brian's Mom. She could sing and play piano great as heard on the early demo of "Barbie".


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 21, 2014, 02:55:44 AM
      I am shocked that no one has mentioned anything about Darian's involvement.

      Well, I for one wasn't aware of the nature or depth of that involvement. And many thanks, therefore, for highlighting it here. But why "shocked"? Were these facts already out there, or do you have insider knowledge? I assume the latter, given the fact that you don't attribute the information to anyone/anything else?

      Well, I would have thought that this would have been leaked out. And I am a bit surprised the main principals never mentioned more. But then again the movie has not been released yet.

      And yes, that info came "from the horse's mouth" as it were.

      Any clues as to which "horse"????   :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: drbeachboy on September 21, 2014, 08:58:06 AM
      Meh. There's a lot of folk in the movie who don't look anything like the person being portrayed.

      I don't think the beef is that Dano and Cusack don't look like Brian, it's that they don't look like each other, so it is a jar for you to see them playing the same character.  It takes you away from the story and makes you think about the fact that the two Brian actors don't look much alike.

      Not saying I agree with that, having not seen the film, of course.
      Well, Brian didn't look a lot like his young self by the late 80s and 90s. To me,  the closest he looked like his young self was around Live Aid, when he lost weight and had a similar haircut to what he had in 1966.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 21, 2014, 01:10:07 PM
      I'm curious if Love & Mercy acknowledges the musical talent of Brian's Mom. She could sing and play piano great as heard on the early demo of "Barbie".

      Ummm... what "early demo" of "Barbie" ?  All I'm aware of  are two (very slightly) differing vocal takes of the Randy 422 release... and anyway, seeing as Brian didn't have anything to do with the Kenny & The Cadets tracks beyond singing on them, I most seriously doubt it's Audree playing the piano. Care to point me towards this "early demo" ?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: surferlicious on September 21, 2014, 02:20:46 PM


      I am surprised no one has mentioned Darian's credit in the film.


      He played a role in the look and the accuracy in the 1960's musical scenes, going so far as to suggest that real musicians be cast whenever possible. He spent a great deal of time on the set going over details such as the period studio technology in places like Western and Gold Star as well as vintage instrumentation. He was also the musical coach for Paul Dano and the cast members who would be playing music in the film teaching them the songs from the BB oeuvre. And yes, all but one of the Wrecking Crew roles were played by musicians (with the exception of the actor playing Hal Blaine). From what Darian has said, the attention to period detail is similar to what you would see in Mad Men.

      You can't get all points of view in a two hour movie, especially with complex people like the BB family. But what you can do is create a portrait of Brian and try and convey the truth as he saw it.


       

      I heard that Darian chose and rehearsed the musicians, but was not on the set for the filming and that Mark Linnet was the one responsible for duplicating the period look of the studios. According to IMB Mark also portrays engineer Chuck Britz  in the movie .


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 21, 2014, 03:35:27 PM


      I am surprised no one has mentioned Darian's credit in the film.


      He played a role in the look and the accuracy in the 1960's musical scenes, going so far as to suggest that real musicians be cast whenever possible. He spent a great deal of time on the set going over details such as the period studio technology in places like Western and Gold Star as well as vintage instrumentation. He was also the musical coach for Paul Dano and the cast members who would be playing music in the film teaching them the songs from the BB oeuvre. And yes, all but one of the Wrecking Crew roles were played by musicians (with the exception of the actor playing Hal Blaine). From what Darian has said, the attention to period detail is similar to what you would see in Mad Men.

      You can't get all points of view in a two hour movie, especially with complex people like the BB family. But what you can do is create a portrait of Brian and try and convey the truth as he saw it.


       

      I heard that Darian chose and rehearsed the musicians, but was not on the set for the filming and that Mark Linnet was the one responsible for duplicating the period look of the studios. According to IMB Mark also portrays engineer Chuck Britz  in the movie .

      Well Andy Botwin is right on the mark; Darian not only chose and rehearsed the musicians, but he also taught Paul Dano how to play several songs on the piano ; most notably "God Only Knows" and "Surf's Up". I do know that Darian most certainly was involved in duplicating the look and details of Western 3 and went as far as trying to find/duplicate the weird guitar that Barney Kessel used on the intro to Wouldn't it Be Nice. Unfortunately; the day of the shoot, Darian had to be in Atlantic City playing with Brian at The Golden Nugget ; which I am sure probably keeps him up nights.  I know Mark not only plays Chuck Britz , but is also a technical consultant on the film; he would be an expert on the vintage gear utilized in the studio circa 1966/67.


       


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 21, 2014, 03:42:55 PM
      Strikes me that Darian's been one of the most important sidesmen Broan's had throughout his recent career - possibly his full career - and has hidden his light under a bushel.

      I know you're reading this Darian and are simply too modest to comment but thank you, from one fan to another.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 21, 2014, 06:51:32 PM


      I am surprised no one has mentioned Darian's credit in the film.


      He played a role in the look and the accuracy in the 1960's musical scenes, going so far as to suggest that real musicians be cast whenever possible. He spent a great deal of time on the set going over details such as the period studio technology in places like Western and Gold Star as well as vintage instrumentation. He was also the musical coach for Paul Dano and the cast members who would be playing music in the film teaching them the songs from the BB oeuvre. And yes, all but one of the Wrecking Crew roles were played by musicians (with the exception of the actor playing Hal Blaine). From what Darian has said, the attention to period detail is similar to what you would see in Mad Men.

      You can't get all points of view in a two hour movie, especially with complex people like the BB family. But what you can do is create a portrait of Brian and try and convey the truth as he saw it.


       

      I heard that Darian chose and rehearsed the musicians, but was not on the set for the filming and that Mark Linnet was the one responsible for duplicating the period look of the studios. According to IMB Mark also portrays engineer Chuck Britz  in the movie .

      Well Andy Botwin is right on the mark; Darian not only chose and rehearsed the musicians, but he also taught Paul Dano how to play several songs on the piano ; most notably "God Only Knows" and "Surf's Up". I do know that Darian most certainly was involved in duplicating the look and details of Western 3 and went as far as trying to find/duplicate the weird guitar that Barney Kessel used on the intro to Wouldn't it Be Nice. Unfortunately; the day of the shoot, Darian had to be in Atlantic City playing with Brian at The Golden Nugget ; which I am sure probably keeps him up nights.  I know Mark not only plays Chuck Britz , but is also a technical consultant on the film; he would be an expert on the vintage gear utilized in the studio circa 1966/67.


       

      Quoting myself here; I have to ensure that I am very clear in what I post ; I certainly do not want to denigrate Mark's role and participation in this film. Mark was hired to effectively recreate the look of the studio with the set designers , as well as provide the original BB tracks that are in the film.....and he plays Chuck Britz......the BW/BB fan base is well covered with their expertise for this film.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ontor pertawst on September 21, 2014, 07:01:33 PM
      Great to hear! Looking forward to his dissecting Pet Sounds tracks at the AES thing next month.

       I say we keep going coughBEDROOMTAPEScough in the background. Ray, I hope Brian Wilson doesn't feel too mortified and embarrassed that lots of his fans would love to listen to that stuff. Do you think we'll get a chance to listen to a lot of the tracks written about in those teasing "Bedroom Tapes" articles sometime soonish, maybe in the wake of the film/album/soundtrack/book and hopefully relentless snowballing of interest?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on September 21, 2014, 07:15:48 PM
      Great to hear! Looking forward to his dissecting Pet Sounds tracks at the AES thing next month.

       I say we keep going coughBEDROOMTAPEScough in the background. Ray, I hope Brian Wilson doesn't feel too mortified and embarrassed that lots of his fans would love to listen to that stuff. Do you think we'll get a chance to listen to a lot of the tracks written about in those teasing "Bedroom Tapes" articles sometime soonish, maybe in the wake of the film/album/soundtrack/book and hopefully relentless snowballing of interest?

      Ontor    I wish I knew something about those bedroom tapes but I don't; anything I would say would be a complete hipshoot.  I would personally like to see a box set of live stuff...all the Carnagie Hall stuff that's in the vaults, the stuff that didnt make the 73 concert album, the Lei'd in Hawaii stuff and the unfiltered C50 stuff ....like Royal Albert Hall.....oh yeah ; Dennis' POB tour rehersals ...now we are talking.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: John Manning on September 21, 2014, 09:41:09 PM
      Great to hear! Looking forward to his dissecting Pet Sounds tracks at the AES thing next month.

       I say we keep going coughBEDROOMTAPEScough in the background. Ray, I hope Brian Wilson doesn't feel too mortified and embarrassed that lots of his fans would love to listen to that stuff. Do you think we'll get a chance to listen to a lot of the tracks written about in those teasing "Bedroom Tapes" articles sometime soonish, maybe in the wake of the film/album/soundtrack/book and hopefully relentless snowballing of interest?

      Ontor    I wish I knew something about those bedroom tapes but I don't; anything I would say would be a complete hipshoot.  I would personally like to see a box set of live stuff...all the Carnagie Hall stuff that's in the vaults, the stuff that didnt make the 73 concert album, the Lei'd in Hawaii stuff and the unfiltered C50 stuff ....like Royal Albert Hall.....oh yeah ; Dennis' POB tour rehersals ...now we are talking.

      Amen…


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 22, 2014, 08:40:18 AM
      In Mark and Darian you have perhaps the two most qualified professionals in the music business working to ensure the accuracy of the 1966-67 studio details as they related to Brian's work at that time. You also have, again, perhaps the two most qualified men on the job who have not only pored over but also love and know down to the most minute detail all of the music and the studio sessions that were to be "recreated" in the film. And they have been working in and around these various facets of the BW-BB's saga for decades.

      Consider at this point what a challenging task it could be to essentially rebuild and recreate with a high degree of authenticity a studio room from 50 years ago. First, the original rooms in many cases do not look anything like they did even 20 years ago, in some cases like Gold Star the original room has been gone for 30 years. Second, we do have some pretty detailed still photos and film clips from 1966 showing what it looked like, but most of those little details and trimmings were scrapped and replaced several times over by new designs.

      Third, and perhaps most difficult of them all, studios did and do constantly upgrade and replace their existing equipment to modernize the place and market their rooms to potential clients with the latest gear...meaning a large majority of the original gear we now consider classic was at one time considered "obsolete" and out-dated, and therefore either sold off to the highest bidders or in many cases, simply scrapped for pennies on the dollar.

      So when you have Mark Linett operating his studio which among rack-fulls of vintage gear has one of the few remaining Bill Putnam modular boards in existence, "rescued" from Western Studio 2, and when you have Darian who was for decades playing perhaps the only custom-built replica of Paul Tanner's original "Electro-Theremin" which itself was a one-of-a-kind custom build, you can pretty much feel comfortable that the details like these would have been placed in the perfect hands for the job.

      There were hints and clues given before in this thread and others, but when there is word that anything close to this level of detail and care in presenting the right look and period-correct visuals was the case for the studio scenes, not to mention the use of live musicians - not just actors - playing the session players in the film, the doubts and the nay-saying about certain details if not the "look" of the whole film are soon erased if not laughed off entirely.  :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: The Heartical Don on September 22, 2014, 08:43:27 AM
      Slightly related: not that long ago there was a link here to Youtube, to a movie called: The BBs History In 4 Minutes. Has it taken off by someone from the BBs inner circle? I found it hilarious.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 22, 2014, 12:13:17 PM
      Great to hear! Looking forward to his dissecting Pet Sounds tracks at the AES thing next month.

       I say we keep going coughBEDROOMTAPEScough in the background. Ray, I hope Brian Wilson doesn't feel too mortified and embarrassed that lots of his fans would love to listen to that stuff. Do you think we'll get a chance to listen to a lot of the tracks written about in those teasing "Bedroom Tapes" articles sometime soonish, maybe in the wake of the film/album/soundtrack/book and hopefully relentless snowballing of interest?

      I'm with you. I'd want to hear that material so badly that I can't explain it in words. Yes, I am a completist, true, but more to the point...I love Brian's writing more than anybody else's work in the history of recorded music,. and that's no hyperbole, and I love his voice just as much, even during the 'rough' years (sometimes, especially, depending on my mood).


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: surferlicious on September 22, 2014, 12:32:30 PM
      In Mark and Darian you have perhaps the two most qualified professionals in the music business working to ensure the accuracy of the 1966-67 studio details as they related to Brian's work at that time. You also have, again, perhaps the two most qualified men on the job who have not only pored over but also love and know down to the most minute detail all of the music and the studio sessions that were to be "recreated" in the film. And they have been working in and around these various facets of the BW-BB's saga for decades.

      Consider at this point what a challenging task it could be to essentially rebuild and recreate with a high degree of authenticity a studio room from 50 years ago. First, the original rooms in many cases do not look anything like they did even 20 years ago, in some cases like Gold Star the original room has been gone for 30 years. Second, we do have some pretty detailed still photos and film clips from 1966 showing what it looked like, but most of those little details and trimmings were scrapped and replaced several times over by new designs.

      Third, and perhaps most difficult of them all, studios did and do constantly upgrade and replace their existing equipment to modernize the place and market their rooms to potential clients with the latest gear...meaning a large majority of the original gear we now consider classic was at one time considered "obsolete" and out-dated, and therefore either sold off to the highest bidders or in many cases, simply scrapped for pennies on the dollar.

      So when you have Mark Linett operating his studio which among rack-fulls of vintage gear has one of the few remaining Bill Putnam modular boards in existence, "rescued" from Western Studio 2, and when you have Darian who was for decades playing perhaps the only custom-built replica of Paul Tanner's original "Electro-Theremin" which itself was a one-of-a-kind custom build, you can pretty much feel comfortable that the details like these would have been placed in the perfect hands for the job.

      There were hints and clues given before in this thread and others, but when there is word that anything close to this level of detail and care in presenting the right look and period-correct visuals was the case for the studio scenes, not to mention the use of live musicians - not just actors - playing the session players in the film, the doubts and the nay-saying about certain details if not the "look" of the whole film are soon erased if not laughed off entirely.  :)

      Darian plays a large part in Brian's band and apparently booked ,and  rehearsed the musicians playing the wrecking crew in the film, but I doubt he would have had anything to do with the recreation of the studios past the selection of the correct period instruments for the musicians.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 22, 2014, 12:52:57 PM
      In Mark and Darian you have perhaps the two most qualified professionals in the music business working to ensure the accuracy of the 1966-67 studio details as they related to Brian's work at that time. You also have, again, perhaps the two most qualified men on the job who have not only pored over but also love and know down to the most minute detail all of the music and the studio sessions that were to be "recreated" in the film. And they have been working in and around these various facets of the BW-BB's saga for decades.

      Consider at this point what a challenging task it could be to essentially rebuild and recreate with a high degree of authenticity a studio room from 50 years ago. First, the original rooms in many cases do not look anything like they did even 20 years ago, in some cases like Gold Star the original room has been gone for 30 years. Second, we do have some pretty detailed still photos and film clips from 1966 showing what it looked like, but most of those little details and trimmings were scrapped and replaced several times over by new designs.

      Third, and perhaps most difficult of them all, studios did and do constantly upgrade and replace their existing equipment to modernize the place and market their rooms to potential clients with the latest gear...meaning a large majority of the original gear we now consider classic was at one time considered "obsolete" and out-dated, and therefore either sold off to the highest bidders or in many cases, simply scrapped for pennies on the dollar.

      So when you have Mark Linett operating his studio which among rack-fulls of vintage gear has one of the few remaining Bill Putnam modular boards in existence, "rescued" from Western Studio 2, and when you have Darian who was for decades playing perhaps the only custom-built replica of Paul Tanner's original "Electro-Theremin" which itself was a one-of-a-kind custom build, you can pretty much feel comfortable that the details like these would have been placed in the perfect hands for the job.

      There were hints and clues given before in this thread and others, but when there is word that anything close to this level of detail and care in presenting the right look and period-correct visuals was the case for the studio scenes, not to mention the use of live musicians - not just actors - playing the session players in the film, the doubts and the nay-saying about certain details if not the "look" of the whole film are soon erased if not laughed off entirely.  :)

      Darian plays a large part in Brian's band and apparently booked ,and  rehearsed the musicians playing the wrecking crew in the film, but I doubt he would have had anything to do with the recreation of the studios past the selection of the correct period instruments for the musicians.


      Consider you're writing this on the same page where it was just confirmed a few hours ago that he did exactly what you're doubting he did for the film.  :)

      Reconsider that doubt in light of what was just confirmed?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: PS on September 23, 2014, 07:30:43 AM
      Some have been speculating about the music cues in the film. I quickly compiled a list of cues that I noted in the script for anyone who might be interested (Spoiler Alert?) - although many of these have been mentioned in Toronto reviews I've seen and word of mouth I've heard). Some are ambiguous (diegetic v non-diegetic), and some I've heard didn't make it to the final cut (Norwegian Wood, for obvious reasons I'm guessing):

      Don’t Worry Baby (studio session)

      Surfin’ USA (live)

      Surfer Girl (live)

      Fun Fun Fun (live)

      Songbird (Kenny G) - Muzak

      I Get Around (studio session)

      Norwegian Wood (The Beatles) - (outdoor playback of Rubber Soul album)

      Be My Baby (45 rpm playing in Brian's bedroom)

      Pet Sounds (studio session)

      Wouldn't It Be Nice (studio session)

      God Only Knows (Brian plays demo on piano for Murry)

      You Still Believe in Me (Brian plays chords and sings in studio as he works it out)

      You Still Believe in Me (tracking session)

      God Only Knows (tracking session)

      Banana and Louie (studio session)

      Brian plays “Achingly Beautiful Melody” (for Melinda in Malibu)

      Pet Sounds Vocal Montage:

      You Still Believe in Me (vocal session)

      Sloop John B (vocal session)

      Hang Onto Your Ego (vocal session)

      Here Today (vocal session)

      Caroline No (vocal session)

      I Live for the Sun (Murry plays acetate)

      Mack the Knife (Brian's mind)

      The Magic Flute (Brian's mind)

      Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder) - non-diegetic (?) instrumental track plays during Brian's first LSD trip

      Stoked (Beach Boys instrumental) – non-diegetic soundtrack (60's) turns into a diegetic track from emanating from a boom box on a sailboat (80's)

      Good Vibrations (Brian plays chords at the dinner party, working it out at the piano)

      Good Vibrations montage - various studios and sessions:

      Western 3 - Instrumental tracking

      Gold star - Vocal session

      Un-named Recording Studio

      Western 3 - alternative vocal session

      Control Room playback of final mixed version of song

      Dinner party guests silverware and glass music "session", with Brian chanting over the "cacaphony"

      Surf’s Up (Inside Pop) with Bernstein VO

      Heroes and Villains (Brian and VDP work composing session)

      “Fire” sessions (Gold Star)

      Smile montage (Columbia):
      a. Heroes and Villains (Brian demonstrates to group on piano)
      b. Beach Boys harmonize on “Prelude”
      c. Session musicians playing kazoos, toy whistles, bells and various childhood instruments
      d. Brian piano theme, which “deteriorates as the take comes to an end and the notes played become random and jumbled.”

      Brian sings Plymouth Rock chant in swimming pool

      The final chord of Day in the Life (Beatles) and phonograph needle lifts

      Two Step Side Step (Brian sings briefly to Hal)

      Wonderful (version 3) plays, “a heartbreaking piano” as Brian stares into the Bellagio swimming pool

      Rhapsody in Blue playing in Brian’s bedroom

      Rhapsody in Blue turns into A Day in the Life a Tree as Brian takes Landy’s pills

      “The Beach Boys Sunflower plays” over 1950s Wilson Hawthorne house in Brian’s mind montage

      Day by Day (The Four Freshmen) over ocean/beach house in Malibu day (non-diegetic?)

      Till I Die (non-diegetic scene with Landy)

      Do it Again (non-diegetic over Cadillac dealership 1986)

      In My Room (non-diegetic, Brian’s bedroom) – becomes "UNBEARABLY LOUD"

      A “Cheesy Pop song” (Melinda’s car cassette)

      Wouldn’t It Be Nice (non-diegetic as the car drives away, but Pet Sounds is seen in Melinda’s car prior)

      WIBN continues over final SUPERTITLES

      Love and Mercy from Live at the Roxy plays over final credits (with the live video, I’m told, playing in a corner of the frame as credits roll)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: jcm on September 23, 2014, 12:38:33 PM
      Some have been speculating about the music cues in the film. I quickly compiled a list of cues that I noted in the script for anyone who might be interested (Spoiler Alert?) - although many of these have been mentioned in Toronto reviews I've seen and word of mouth I've heard). Some are ambiguous (diegetic v non-diegetic), and some I've heard didn't make it to the final cut (Norwegian Wood, for obvious reasons I'm guessing):


      WOOOOW!  PS that is FREAKING AWESOME of you to post that.  Thank you SO MUCH.

      Danke!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 23, 2014, 01:23:02 PM

      Rhapsody in Blue turns into A Day in the Life a Tree as Brian takes Landy’s pills


      OH... MY... GOD...  :bow


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: pixletwin on September 23, 2014, 01:30:45 PM

      Rhapsody in Blue turns into A Day in the Life a Tree as Brian takes Landy’s pills


      OH... MY... GOD...  :bow

      Yeah that one grabbed my attention too.  :o

      Thanks for the great post PS.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: RangeRoverA1 on September 23, 2014, 08:43:28 PM
      Some have been speculating about the music cues in the film. I quickly compiled a list of cues that I noted in the script for anyone who might be interested (Spoiler Alert?) - although many of these have been mentioned in Toronto reviews I've seen and word of mouth I've heard). Some are ambiguous (diegetic v non-diegetic), and some I've heard didn't make it to the final cut (Norwegian Wood, for obvious reasons I'm guessing):
      That's a great spoiler, thanks, PS! I'm esp. curious about the highlighted bit, how much of each.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Seaside Woman on September 24, 2014, 05:47:32 AM
      I'll take that list any day of the week! Nice drop, PS...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: MugginsXO on September 24, 2014, 11:01:34 AM
      I have a good feeling about this movie. I loved I'm Not There and this seems to have that same sense of exploring an artist through less restricted/boring means. John Cusack is a very good actor when he shows up, and he seems to really love the music which always helps. Paul Dano is frequently excellent and even while naturally suited to play slimy jerks he brings a depth that makes you care. I did watch Ruby Sparks last night as it was mentioned in the LA Times article. I do worry if it truly represents Dano as a person -- he plays an immensely unlikeable person -- but it is well worth a go for a look at for his jab at tortured genius. Quite funny too, and has a few things of substance to say even when it occasionally tumbles into unearned schmaltz. A talented guy.    


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: beacharg on September 25, 2014, 10:44:37 PM

      4th "bad" review drops the movie to 64% aproval on RT. But... if you click to see the entire review on the actual source, the critic gave it 3 stars out of 5... is that rotten?! 

      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/

      http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/love-mercy-review/

       ???


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: The Heartical Don on September 26, 2014, 01:42:11 AM
      I only read positive reviews.

      It's a life-enhancing strategy.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: donald on September 26, 2014, 09:52:45 AM
      as mentioned previously, a time or two, one should view Ruby Sparks for a preview of Dano playing the role of a bewildered and tortured writer whose imaginary book character suddenly comes to life and appears inhis home.  His casting as BW just had to have stemmed from this performance.  A very entertaining movie on its own.  Have a look.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on September 26, 2014, 09:52:52 AM

      4th "bad" review drops the movie to 64% aproval on RT. But... if you click to see the entire review on the actual source, the critic gave it 3 stars out of 5... is that rotten?! 

      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/

      http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/love-mercy-review/

       ???

      Yeah the whole rotten tomatoes system is flawed. Most of those "rotten" reviews are actually not that negative.

      It will probably shoot up again when they start adding reviews from actual movie critics, not just some idiot bloggers


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: donald on September 26, 2014, 10:03:12 AM
      always on the look out for new band names.  Idiot Bloggers strikes me as a good one.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 04, 2014, 07:29:00 PM
      Quoting myself here; I have to ensure that I am very clear in what I post ; I certainly do not want to denigrate Mark's role and participation in this film. Mark was hired to effectively recreate the look of the studio with the set designers , as well as provide the original BB tracks that are in the film.....and he plays Chuck Britz......the BW/BB fan base is well covered with their expertise for this film.

      Here are some of the (awesome) visual results of Mark Linett's role as technical adviser on the film, recreating and depicting Western Studio 3 circa 1966. Also, one showing the famous firehat from another studio scene.

      On-set photos from Love And Mercy, featuring Mark Linett, Paul Dano, and the recreated/"rebuilt" Western 3 control room:

      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm1studio_zps8e8047ed.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm2studio_zps9a116a6c.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm4studio_zps94879ace.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm3studio_zps5298e86e.jpg)


      Absolutely amazing visuals, I'm totally blown away by this. The attention to detail in the recreated Western 3 is stunning, it looks like it did in the original studio photos from '66. I cannot wait to see this on the big screen! Beyond excited.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 04, 2014, 08:16:54 PM
      I'm blind in one eye and can't see out of the other, to borrow my dad's saying, but..is it just me, or does that rotary phone lack a...um...rotor?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Shady on October 04, 2014, 08:49:32 PM
      Holy crap, Dano put on a lot of weight for the role

      Cool photos


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Pretty Funky on October 04, 2014, 08:56:41 PM
      They could have got a horse in there!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Pretty Funky on October 04, 2014, 09:06:25 PM
      I'm blind in one eye and can't see out of the other, to borrow my dad's saying, but..is it just me, or does that rotary phone lack a...um...rotor?


      I'm of an age that has seen these before. Used as an internal line only and probably a good idea not to have a outside line  calling during recording. May have pressed a button to an operator to be connected to the outside.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 04, 2014, 11:06:29 PM
      I'm blind in one eye and can't see out of the other, to borrow my dad's saying, but..is it just me, or does that rotary phone lack a...um...rotor?


      I'm of an age that has seen these before. Used as an internal line only and probably a good idea not to have a outside line  calling during recording. May have pressed a button to an operator to be connected to the outside.

      I remember those too, a truly obsolete relic! It was the intercom, for inter-office communication. Actually, I know of at least one 1966 GV session tape where a phone rings in the control room. Here's a vintage Brian-at-Western photo where you can see the same kind of intercom/phone on the desk on the far left of the shot:
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/brianuaboard1a_zps1450c92a.jpg)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 04, 2014, 11:47:49 PM
      Quoting myself here; I have to ensure that I am very clear in what I post ; I certainly do not want to denigrate Mark's role and participation in this film. Mark was hired to effectively recreate the look of the studio with the set designers , as well as provide the original BB tracks that are in the film.....and he plays Chuck Britz......the BW/BB fan base is well covered with their expertise for this film.

      Here are some of the (awesome) visual results of Mark Linett's role as technical adviser on the film, recreating and depicting Western Studio 3 circa 1966. Also, one showing the famous firehat from another studio scene.

      On-set photos from Love And Mercy, featuring Mark Linett, Paul Dano, and the recreated/"rebuilt" Western 3 control room:

      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm1studio_zps8e8047ed.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm2studio_zps9a116a6c.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm4studio_zps94879ace.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm3studio_zps5298e86e.jpg)


      Absolutely amazing visuals, I'm totally blown away by this. The attention to detail in the recreated Western 3 is stunning, it looks like it did in the original studio photos from '66. I cannot wait to see this on the big screen! Beyond excited.

      The eggnog cartons... WHERE ARE THE EGGNOG CARTONS ??!!!? Well, that's it for me - I simply cannot even countenance spending my hard earned coin on a movie with such disgustingly sloppy attention to detail.

      Well really...  :old


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 04, 2014, 11:48:28 PM
      I'm blind in one eye and can't see out of the other, to borrow my dad's saying, but..is it just me, or does that rotary phone lack a...um...rotor?


      I'm of an age that has seen these before. Used as an internal line only and probably a good idea not to have a outside line  calling during recording. May have pressed a button to an operator to be connected to the outside.

      Ahhh...makes sense!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on October 05, 2014, 04:37:53 AM
      Hey guys, just got back from watching the movie...and I gotta say, it was amazing!

      Overall, my rating is 2 very enthusiastic thumbs up. The film was not perfect, but it did a great job and I think a lot of people in the theater left with more appreciation towards Brian's life and what he had to endure.

      So here's my review.

      First, the production of the movie is incredible. They managed to recreate every single detail we've seen in photos and videos. Particularly good was the recreation of Brian (Paul Dano) performing Surfs Up solo on the piano for the Bernstein special. And I gotta say, Paul Dano did an amazing job singing and playing. In the end credits I read Darian was his music coach, so that explains a lot.

      But aside from his singing (and a pretty good falsetto), he was the best in the cast. The mid 60s scenes were awesome and he did a fine job showing Brian's increasing mental deterioration. I think he has a great career ahead, top actor.

      John Cusak was competent in the older Brian role. They didnt do much of an effort to make him look like Brian - actually that kind of sucked sometimes, since John is so John - but some of the scenes with Landy were very dramatic and he did good. Paul Giamatti (hope that's how its spelled) was a bit over the top, but then again from what I've read, Landy was like that in real life. You got to watch the scene when he's forcing Brian to finish up 'Driving to Heaven in my car'...its really tough and sad.

      I saw Elizabeth Banks up close and personal when I was getting to my seat  ;D Not only she's pretty but carried the role of Melinda pretty well. Its obvious the script wanted to put Melinda as Brian's savior and make her the reason why the guy is alive nowadays and so Elizabeth played the part strongly.

      But the rest of the cast and how their characters were presented was kind of weak. Van Dyke Parks for example hardly gets 2 scenes, doesnt talk much and seems like he's not really important. They changed the lyrics discussion from Cabinessence to Heroes and Villains (the snuff bit), so that was kind of lame.

      Murray gets a big part and its shown in all his evilness. They even showed him hitting kid Brian and making him deaf...and to this day I dont know if thats true or not, since I've seen interviews of Brian saying he was born deaf...so...aucune idee la

      The Boys are not really worked as characters. Mike gets to be the asshole, but in a justifiable way if I may say. He's always shown as worrying about the band and how Brian is losing touch with their public's interest. I mean, I (we) know a bit more of the story, but I can understand if people who dont know much about the band would side with him. Since the Van Dyke's characters was not really built up, Mike's kicking him away seemed rather appropriate in the context of the movie. Anyways.

      There was a good scene with Hal Blaine talking with Brian in the parking lot and comforting him, saying the boys were going to love what he recorded for Pet Sounds. But aside from that and a quick scene with Carol Kaye complaining about bass keys, not much was discussed about the Wrecking Crew.

      Carl and Dennis got a couple of lines during the early days, but not much after. Al and Bruce practically didnt exist. Marylin looked really cute actually, I wonder who played her? Checking later on IMDB.

      But then again the movie was about Brian and Melinda, so 90% was Paul Dano/John Cusack and Elizabeth Banks. The last scene was when she almost ran him over and then took him to visit his old house on Hawthorne to find they built a highway on it. And as they hug and kiss, Wouldnt it be nice plays over.

      A little nice detail though, the closing credits were played over Love and Mercy sang live by Brian, with concert footage. When the song was over, we all stood up and applauded Brian for almost 5 mins. Standing ovation!

      But one thing I really, really didnt like, was how so stupid some people in the audience were. During some really sad scenes, like when Brian was saying stuff like 'I dont get to talk to my family' or 'like I got this mental problem...since 1963', some people were laughing as if it was something funny. John  Cusack did a good job in getting Brian's impersonal way of talking, so its sounds somehow comical, but for the love of God, the guy who suffered this ordeal is there, in the audience!!! Show some respect  >:(

      Aside from that, the venue was cool, the screening and the atmosphere was Hollywood style. I recorded most of the Q&A session and Brian leaving the theater - it was funny everyone was there to take pics of John Cusack, and when he left, most left...so I could move up front and scream at Brian like a mad man  ;D ...actually I didnt, I'm a fan, not a crazy stalker  ::)

      Anyways, hope this review gives you some insight to the movie. I recommended it completely, the focus is not the drugs but Brian's mental health struggle. I think it was a nice treatment of his life.

      Gotta leave now and get some sleep, I'm catching the 6:00 am train back to Montreal. I'll share some of the pics and the Q&A session tomorrow night.

      Bonne nuit a tous!

      Why would we want to know exactly how the film ends before we've even seen it???

      Please can all such similar posts please could with a 'SPOILER ALERT' tag at the top, thanks.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Smilin Ed H on October 05, 2014, 07:02:46 AM
      Hey guys, just got back from watching the movie...and I gotta say, it was amazing!

      Overall, my rating is 2 very enthusiastic thumbs up. The film was not perfect, but it did a great job and I think a lot of people in the theater left with more appreciation towards Brian's life and what he had to endure.

      So here's my review.

      First, the production of the movie is incredible. They managed to recreate every single detail we've seen in photos and videos. Particularly good was the recreation of Brian (Paul Dano) performing Surfs Up solo on the piano for the Bernstein special. And I gotta say, Paul Dano did an amazing job singing and playing. In the end credits I read Darian was his music coach, so that explains a lot.

      But aside from his singing (and a pretty good falsetto), he was the best in the cast. The mid 60s scenes were awesome and he did a fine job showing Brian's increasing mental deterioration. I think he has a great career ahead, top actor.

      John Cusak was competent in the older Brian role. They didnt do much of an effort to make him look like Brian - actually that kind of sucked sometimes, since John is so John - but some of the scenes with Landy were very dramatic and he did good. Paul Giamatti (hope that's how its spelled) was a bit over the top, but then again from what I've read, Landy was like that in real life. You got to watch the scene when he's forcing Brian to finish up 'Driving to Heaven in my car'...its really tough and sad.

      I saw Elizabeth Banks up close and personal when I was getting to my seat  ;D Not only she's pretty but carried the role of Melinda pretty well. Its obvious the script wanted to put Melinda as Brian's savior and make her the reason why the guy is alive nowadays and so Elizabeth played the part strongly.

      But the rest of the cast and how their characters were presented was kind of weak. Van Dyke Parks for example hardly gets 2 scenes, doesnt talk much and seems like he's not really important. They changed the lyrics discussion from Cabinessence to Heroes and Villains (the snuff bit), so that was kind of lame.

      Murray gets a big part and its shown in all his evilness. They even showed him hitting kid Brian and making him deaf...and to this day I dont know if thats true or not, since I've seen interviews of Brian saying he was born deaf...so...aucune idee la

      The Boys are not really worked as characters. Mike gets to be the asshole, but in a justifiable way if I may say. He's always shown as worrying about the band and how Brian is losing touch with their public's interest. I mean, I (we) know a bit more of the story, but I can understand if people who dont know much about the band would side with him. Since the Van Dyke's characters was not really built up, Mike's kicking him away seemed rather appropriate in the context of the movie. Anyways.

      There was a good scene with Hal Blaine talking with Brian in the parking lot and comforting him, saying the boys were going to love what he recorded for Pet Sounds. But aside from that and a quick scene with Carol Kaye complaining about bass keys, not much was discussed about the Wrecking Crew.

      Carl and Dennis got a couple of lines during the early days, but not much after. Al and Bruce practically didnt exist. Marylin looked really cute actually, I wonder who played her? Checking later on IMDB.

      But then again the movie was about Brian and Melinda, so 90% was Paul Dano/John Cusack and Elizabeth Banks. The last scene was when she almost ran him over and then took him to visit his old house on Hawthorne to find they built a highway on it. And as they hug and kiss, Wouldnt it be nice plays over.

      A little nice detail though, the closing credits were played over Love and Mercy sang live by Brian, with concert footage. When the song was over, we all stood up and applauded Brian for almost 5 mins. Standing ovation!

      But one thing I really, really didnt like, was how so stupid some people in the audience were. During some really sad scenes, like when Brian was saying stuff like 'I dont get to talk to my family' or 'like I got this mental problem...since 1963', some people were laughing as if it was something funny. John  Cusack did a good job in getting Brian's impersonal way of talking, so its sounds somehow comical, but for the love of God, the guy who suffered this ordeal is there, in the audience!!! Show some respect  >:(

      Aside from that, the venue was cool, the screening and the atmosphere was Hollywood style. I recorded most of the Q&A session and Brian leaving the theater - it was funny everyone was there to take pics of John Cusack, and when he left, most left...so I could move up front and scream at Brian like a mad man  ;D ...actually I didnt, I'm a fan, not a crazy stalker  ::)

      Anyways, hope this review gives you some insight to the movie. I recommended it completely, the focus is not the drugs but Brian's mental health struggle. I think it was a nice treatment of his life.

      Gotta leave now and get some sleep, I'm catching the 6:00 am train back to Montreal. I'll share some of the pics and the Q&A session tomorrow night.

      Bonne nuit a tous!

      Why would we want to know exactly how the film ends before we've even seen it???

      Please can all such similar posts please could with a 'SPOILER ALERT' tag at the top, thanks.

      Don't worry; he's pulling your leg. It ends with Brian donning a Lincoln hat, freeing the slaves and winning the Civil War. Then we get Wouldn't It Be Nice on the soundtrack.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Ray Lawlor on October 05, 2014, 07:06:11 AM
      Quoting myself here; I have to ensure that I am very clear in what I post ; I certainly do not want to denigrate Mark's role and participation in this film. Mark was hired to effectively recreate the look of the studio with the set designers , as well as provide the original BB tracks that are in the film.....and he plays Chuck Britz......the BW/BB fan base is well covered with their expertise for this film.

      Here are some of the (awesome) visual results of Mark Linett's role as technical adviser on the film, recreating and depicting Western Studio 3 circa 1966. Also, one showing the famous firehat from another studio scene.

      On-set photos from Love And Mercy, featuring Mark Linett, Paul Dano, and the recreated/"rebuilt" Western 3 control room:

      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm1studio_zps8e8047ed.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm2studio_zps9a116a6c.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm4studio_zps94879ace.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm3studio_zps5298e86e.jpg)


      Absolutely amazing visuals, I'm totally blown away by this. The attention to detail in the recreated Western 3 is stunning, it looks like it did in the original studio photos from '66. I cannot wait to see this on the big screen! Beyond excited.

      Awesome job by Mark ; I agree; the attention to detail is incredible. As the studio is such a critical part of the story of Brian 66/67, it is great to see this level of detail....right down to Chuck's ashtray !  Not to mention Paul Dano's "Brian" circa the "Fire tapes" session !!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: puni puni on October 05, 2014, 08:42:00 AM
      Don't worry; he's pulling your leg. It ends with Brian donning a Lincoln hat, freeing the slaves and winning the Civil War. Then we get Wouldn't It Be Nice on the soundtrack.
      As I already posted in this thread, it is still a film like any other... I'd rather be surprised by the creative liberties they took than be spoiled by what they decided to include and exclude


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 05, 2014, 12:46:07 PM
      Quote
      But one thing I really, really didnt like, was how so stupid some people in the audience were. During some really sad scenes, like when Brian was saying stuff like 'I dont get to talk to my family' or 'like I got this mental problem...since 1963', some people were laughing as if it was something funny. John  Cusack did a good job in getting Brian's impersonal way of talking, so its sounds somehow comical, but for the love of God, the guy who suffered this ordeal is there, in the audience!!! Show some respect

      What'd be funny would be if Brian was one of the people laughing!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: c-man on October 05, 2014, 02:36:34 PM
      Quoting myself here; I have to ensure that I am very clear in what I post ; I certainly do not want to denigrate Mark's role and participation in this film. Mark was hired to effectively recreate the look of the studio with the set designers , as well as provide the original BB tracks that are in the film.....and he plays Chuck Britz......the BW/BB fan base is well covered with their expertise for this film.

      Here are some of the (awesome) visual results of Mark Linett's role as technical adviser on the film, recreating and depicting Western Studio 3 circa 1966. Also, one showing the famous firehat from another studio scene.

      On-set photos from Love And Mercy, featuring Mark Linett, Paul Dano, and the recreated/"rebuilt" Western 3 control room:

      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm1studio_zps8e8047ed.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm2studio_zps9a116a6c.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm4studio_zps94879ace.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm3studio_zps5298e86e.jpg)


      Absolutely amazing visuals, I'm totally blown away by this. The attention to detail in the recreated Western 3 is stunning, it looks like it did in the original studio photos from '66. I cannot wait to see this on the big screen! Beyond excited.

      Wow...Mark gets to play Chuck Britz AND Larry Levine! And the re-created Western 3 studio gets to double as Gold Star A! I'm REALLY impressed!  :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 05, 2014, 02:54:09 PM
      I stand to be corrected, but I distinctly recall reading that amongst other vintage equipment, Mark has an original Putnam console from Western (2, not 3, but no matter), so I'm guessing that what we see here isn't a reconstruction. How cool.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 05, 2014, 03:30:13 PM
      I stand to be corrected, but I distinctly recall reading that amongst other vintage equipment, Mark has an original Putnam console from Western (2, not 3, but no matter), so I'm guessing that what we see here isn't a reconstruction. How cool.

      Andrew, Mark discusses his original Putnam consoles in this interview from earlier this year, which I posted to the board a few days ago and as of this afternoon has exactly *zero* replies, comments, debates, etc. But who's countin'... ;D

      Here's the thread with the link(s), there is both audio of the interview and a transcript where Mark describes the two Putnam boards which he owns and continues to use:

      http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=1376b2dd94fa33c9a81ee2bb80fb63ea&topic=18341.msg477850#msg477850 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=1376b2dd94fa33c9a81ee2bb80fb63ea&topic=18341.msg477850#msg477850)

      And here is the excerpt from that interview:

      Bonzai: Alright, I think that’s about it. Is there anything in this room that would really make a technological person start salivating?

      Linett: The big feature here, and I don’t like to take pictures of them, are these two original UA Bill Putnam designed 2 consoles. They’re both original to what used to United Western Studios, which is now Oceanway and EastWest. This one was the original remote console when they started the business, and was the twin … there were two of these built. There was this one for remotes, and another one that was put in Studio Three, where you see Brian sitting in1964. If you look closely you can see that it’s pretty much the same exact console.

      Bonzai: With the round pots.

      Linett: They all have that, but these two in particular are the only ones that I know of that are this vintage. The modules are different. Easiest way to explain it, this is an early high impedance board. Originally, when they built consoles, they were only designed for mono, stereo, three track, because that’s all there was. You weren’t thinking about, “How can I take twelve mics and put them on twelve tracks?” This console, when it was built, all you could do was run through the busses and have, at most, three tracks at a time.

      Somebody, at some point, modified this one to have a fourth track, and the last person to own it before me, who did a beautiful restoration on it, put transformers in every forth input, so you can take it direct out. It’s not what they were designed for. This was meant for up to three tracks recording. The one behind me was originally in Studio Two, this actual console. By this point they had put transformers on the outputs of each module before the summing buss, so its not why they did it, but it made it a lot easier when eight track and onwards came along. I don’t think this board was in service after eight track days.

      Bonzai: Do you use these?

      Linett: Oh yeah, I record on them all the time.


      (there is more at the link)

      So that console in the photos is, as they say, "the real deal" (as far as I think I know...). An authentic, original, working Bill Putnam modular board of the type they had in Western in the 60's.

      You said it best: How cool. I'd add the superlative "freakin'" in between how and cool, but maybe that's an East Coast thing.  :lol



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: donald on October 05, 2014, 07:16:04 PM
      I think it would be authentic and entertaining to see the inclusion in the film of BW's love not only for music and mood altering substances, but his love of food and the numerous other things he consumed with such gusto........done artistically to point a light on his seemingly insatiable hunger for ........we'll  something that might have been missing.....


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: RangeRoverA1 on October 05, 2014, 08:04:36 PM
      Why would we want to know exactly how the film ends before we've even seen it???

      Please can all such similar posts please could with a 'SPOILER ALERT' tag at the top, thanks.
      You shouldn't've read it, then. same applies to appak.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 05, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
      I stand to be corrected, but I distinctly recall reading that amongst other vintage equipment, Mark has an original Putnam console from Western (2, not 3, but no matter), so I'm guessing that what we see here isn't a reconstruction. How cool.

      Andrew, Mark discusses his original Putnam consoles in this interview from earlier this year, which I posted to the board a few days ago and as of this afternoon has exactly *zero* replies, comments, debates, etc. But who's countin'... ;D

      Here's the thread with the link(s), there is both audio of the interview and a transcript where Mark describes the two Putnam boards which he owns and continues to use:

      http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=1376b2dd94fa33c9a81ee2bb80fb63ea&topic=18341.msg477850#msg477850 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=1376b2dd94fa33c9a81ee2bb80fb63ea&topic=18341.msg477850#msg477850)

      And here is the excerpt from that interview:

      Bonzai: Alright, I think that’s about it. Is there anything in this room that would really make a technological person start salivating?

      Linett: The big feature here, and I don’t like to take pictures of them, are these two original UA Bill Putnam designed 2 consoles. They’re both original to what used to United Western Studios, which is now Oceanway and EastWest. This one was the original remote console when they started the business, and was the twin … there were two of these built. There was this one for remotes, and another one that was put in Studio Three, where you see Brian sitting in1964. If you look closely you can see that it’s pretty much the same exact console.

      Bonzai: With the round pots.

      Linett: They all have that, but these two in particular are the only ones that I know of that are this vintage. The modules are different. Easiest way to explain it, this is an early high impedance board. Originally, when they built consoles, they were only designed for mono, stereo, three track, because that’s all there was. You weren’t thinking about, “How can I take twelve mics and put them on twelve tracks?” This console, when it was built, all you could do was run through the busses and have, at most, three tracks at a time.

      Somebody, at some point, modified this one to have a fourth track, and the last person to own it before me, who did a beautiful restoration on it, put transformers in every forth input, so you can take it direct out. It’s not what they were designed for. This was meant for up to three tracks recording. The one behind me was originally in Studio Two, this actual console. By this point they had put transformers on the outputs of each module before the summing buss, so its not why they did it, but it made it a lot easier when eight track and onwards came along. I don’t think this board was in service after eight track days.

      Bonzai: Do you use these?

      Linett: Oh yeah, I record on them all the time.


      (there is more at the link)

      So that console in the photos is, as they say, "the real deal" (as far as I think I know...). An authentic, original, working Bill Putnam modular board of the type they had in Western in the 60's.

      You said it best: How cool. I'd add the superlative "freakin'" in between how and cool, but maybe that's an East Coast thing.  :lol

      Apologies - in mitigation, I'm having considerable hearing problems right now, so anything audio is off the menu. And I correctly remembered which studio the console came from. Now that is freakin' cool, given my recent track record !  :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 06, 2014, 04:36:41 AM
      I hope you get well soon Andrew.  :)

      Royce


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 06, 2014, 06:40:33 AM
      Andrew it's time to listen to SIP and GIOMH for research. ;)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: Paul J B on October 06, 2014, 07:42:27 AM
      Quoting myself here; I have to ensure that I am very clear in what I post ; I certainly do not want to denigrate Mark's role and participation in this film. Mark was hired to effectively recreate the look of the studio with the set designers , as well as provide the original BB tracks that are in the film.....and he plays Chuck Britz......the BW/BB fan base is well covered with their expertise for this film.

      Here are some of the (awesome) visual results of Mark Linett's role as technical adviser on the film, recreating and depicting Western Studio 3 circa 1966. Also, one showing the famous firehat from another studio scene.

      On-set photos from Love And Mercy, featuring Mark Linett, Paul Dano, and the recreated/"rebuilt" Western 3 control room:

      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm1studio_zps8e8047ed.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm2studio_zps9a116a6c.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm4studio_zps94879ace.jpg)
      (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/lm3studio_zps5298e86e.jpg)


      Absolutely amazing visuals, I'm totally blown away by this. The attention to detail in the recreated Western 3 is stunning, it looks like it did in the original studio photos from '66. I cannot wait to see this on the big screen! Beyond excited.

      The most stunning set detail in those images is Paul Dano being Brian. That is just NUTS! Compare that to the TV movies with the costume shop beards.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on October 06, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
      Best wishes for your hearing, Andrew. What happened?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: John Manning on October 07, 2014, 12:23:04 AM
      Couldn't have been the ultimate fan martyrdom - whacking himself round the head with a length of 2x4?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: stack-o-tracks on October 07, 2014, 12:58:24 AM
      Couldn't have been the ultimate fan martyrdom - whacking himself round the head with a length of 2x4?

      I'm not the type to get offended, but....

      Could you imagine spending the rest of your life only being able to see/read about The Beach Boys and affiliates' new/historical recordings? Rather than being able to hear them?

      It's no joke, especially for somebody who obviously loves the Boys and their music as much as this grumpy AGD does....


      God speed, Mr. Doe. Get entirely better and then some!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: John Manning on October 07, 2014, 01:21:56 AM
      Ah, I can see how it might well seem insensitive and apologise to any offended.

      Please be assured that it is meant with affectionate levity. Andrew can have his revenge by flagellating me with pine poles when next we meet… hopefully at PS50, RFH, 2016.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: jcm on October 14, 2014, 12:10:58 AM
      I just was reading the IMDB page again for the 20th+ time.  I noticed that Robert Yeoman is the Director of Photography for LOVE & MERCY.  He is de-facto DP for Wes Anderson.  That gives me great hope for the visual look of the film.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: jcm on October 22, 2014, 11:45:47 AM
      Any inside info on when we might see a trailer or a release date for this? 


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: lostbeachboy on October 22, 2014, 01:56:26 PM
      Elvis..!?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Shady on October 22, 2014, 05:56:34 PM
      I just was reading the IMDB page again for the 20th+ time.  I noticed that Robert Yeoman is the Director of Photography for LOVE & MERCY.  He is de-facto DP for Wes Anderson.  That gives me great hope for the visual look of the film.

      Everything just seems stalled at the moment...

      Mysterious


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Pretty Funky on October 22, 2014, 09:08:49 PM
      I suspect a campaign is being planned for next year involving the movie, album and tour. There is also the book. I guess the number cruncher s are looking at how to maximize the lot. All at the same time or spread over a period. I would probably put the book last with a chapter on the events covering the other releases of 2015.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: jcm on October 22, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
      PF, that would definitely make the most sense.  It's kind of a bummer to think that the film probably won't be released in North America until 2015 (and probably into the spring). 

      I had assumed that after the premiere it would get a limited release in 2014 (for Academy Awards consideration) and then go "wide" in early 2015. 

      Still kind of hoping that is what happens but it's looking like it will be sometime into next year at this point.  Otherwise I would imagine a trailer and maybe a poster would have surfaced by now.

      Either way, I'm as stoked as ever about it.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Pretty Funky on October 22, 2014, 09:40:47 PM
      If it had just been the movie, that may have been the case. Also this year we have had 'Jersey Boys' and 'Get On up' so perhaps a gap in the music bio genre may not be a bad thing.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: donald on October 23, 2014, 09:30:44 AM
      I saw Jersey Boys but Get on Up disappeared from theaters very quickly.  Was it bad or did ticket sales stall?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: ontor pertawst on October 23, 2014, 09:36:14 AM
      I was really looking forward to "Get On Up" but it left me cold. I could sense that some posters here will reach for the smelling salts over the fact that it had Pendletons TAMI backstage and not stripey shirts.

       Had a lot more fun afterwards watching episodes of Brown's amazing "Future Shock" -- lookie here!



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: jcm on October 23, 2014, 11:09:27 AM
      I was really looking forward to "Get On Up" but it left me cold. I could sense that some posters here will reach for the smelling salts over the fact that it had Pendletons TAMI backstage and not stripey shirts.

      Those details (or lack thereof) won't be objectionable, for me.  Exact specifics like a shirt or a car don't interest me.  Capturing an authenticity in the performances and the storytelling is more important to me.

      I love your YouTube videos, by the way.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: ontor pertawst on October 23, 2014, 11:16:34 AM
      Oh yeah, me neither. I just thought Smiley Smile needed a trigger warning for the fact brigade! I wanted MORE out of it, such an amazing story and larger than life character seemed to deserve a bit more somehow.

      Then again, if it leads to more people saying the words "Maceo Parker" and "Fred Wesley" then it's probably ok in the long run.

      Thanks for the thumbs up! Silly stuff but I had a lot of fun playing around with the material.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: jcm on November 05, 2014, 12:04:48 PM
      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/)

      Jun 5, 2015 Limited

      So there we go...  June 2015. 


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on November 05, 2014, 12:20:18 PM
      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/)

      Jun 5, 2015 Limited

      So there we go...  June 2015. 

      Thanks for the info!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Rocket on November 05, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/)

      Jun 5, 2015 Limited

      So there we go...  June 2015. 

      That's a long wait haha

      When can we expect a trailer? February?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: CenturyDeprived on November 05, 2014, 03:10:51 PM
      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/)

      Jun 5, 2015 Limited

      So there we go...  June 2015. 

      Just a wild guess - I'm thinking they want to roll it out as soon as possible while still within the context of a viable time for it to possibly get award noms. Any earlier in the year might diminish award nom chances, but they probably still want to have it come out soon-ish to capitalize on the buzz it was recently getting. June is probably a happy medium, plus Brian's music (despite the No Pier Pressure pun) is often associated with summer which may be better for marketing.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: bgas on November 05, 2014, 03:28:29 PM
      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/)

      Jun 5, 2015 Limited

      So there we go...  June 2015. 

      Just a wild guess - I'm thinking they want to roll it out as soon as possible while still within the context of a viable time for it to possibly get award noms. Any earlier in the year might diminish award nom chances, but they probably still want to have it come out soon-ish to capitalize on the buzz it was recently getting. June is probably a happy medium, plus Brian's music (despite the No Pier Pressure pun) is often associated with summer which may be better for marketing.

      And you really believe that 8 months is in the buzz frame?  Seems it'll be long gone by then, with folks trying to build the buzz for pics soon to be at next years festival.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: CenturyDeprived on November 05, 2014, 03:33:45 PM
      http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/love_and_mercy/)

      Jun 5, 2015 Limited

      So there we go...  June 2015.  

      Just a wild guess - I'm thinking they want to roll it out as soon as possible while still within the context of a viable time for it to possibly get award noms. Any earlier in the year might diminish award nom chances, but they probably still want to have it come out soon-ish to capitalize on the buzz it was recently getting. June is probably a happy medium, plus Brian's music (despite the No Pier Pressure pun) is often associated with summer which may be better for marketing.

      And you really believe that 8 months is in the buzz frame?  Seems it'll be long gone by then, with folks trying to build the buzz for pics soon to be at next years festival.

      While I'm sure they'd want to capitalize on current buzz, I would think the relative priority of a biopic would be to get potential award noms, "Ray" and "Walk The Line"-style, and that's much less likely for films released before the middle/end of a given year.  June is probably a compromise, I would guess. For whatever buzz is lost by then (and surely there will be some lost), I think they'll try to make it up with buzz concurrent with the album's release. Award noms are a big, big deal and the marketing/money people behind movies are never oblivious to that.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Shady on November 05, 2014, 04:23:41 PM
      Not trusting that date till we get it from an official source..

      We've be fooled by fake dates before  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: HeyJude on November 05, 2014, 04:28:56 PM
      I don't know a great deal about the movie industry. But many times, I've rented or watched a "new" film that just made it to DVD/Blu-Ray and/or rental that, when I look it up, actually was filmed like two or three years previously and may have first shown at a festival a good two years prior.

      So it's not totally uncommon for these things to run such a long course. What will be interesting is how "limited" the run is. In other words, will they actually try to run this in theaters and wait several more months for a home video release? Or will they go the rout some films do where they are simultaneously put out on a "limited" theatrical release while simultaneously up for rentals (usually on the more expensive side) online? If it's the former, then we could be looking at Fall 2015 before most of us see this thing at home.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: jcm on December 01, 2014, 05:47:03 PM
      FWIW, IMDB lists the film as having a PG-13 rating from the MPAA.  I don't recall seeing that before.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: halblaineisgood on December 07, 2014, 12:48:04 AM
      .


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: jcm on December 23, 2014, 11:52:16 AM
      Nothing really "new", per se, but more of a confirmation of tidbits from other sources.

      http://www.billboard.com/articles/6415027/music-in-tv-and-film-2014-frozen-american-idol-biopics (http://www.billboard.com/articles/6415027/music-in-tv-and-film-2014-frozen-american-idol-biopics)

      Quote
      Looking ahead, Lionsgate purchased the Brian Wilson film Love & Mercy in Toronto and has it pegged for a June release with a soundtrack on Capitol.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Aomdiddlywalla on December 23, 2014, 11:57:19 AM
      I want 'Brian Wilson' in bold text......


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Mendota Heights on December 23, 2014, 12:14:10 PM
      'Brian Wilson'


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Shady on December 23, 2014, 05:53:11 PM
      Nothing really "new", per se, but more of a confirmation of tidbits from other sources.

      http://www.billboard.com/articles/6415027/music-in-tv-and-film-2014-frozen-american-idol-biopics (http://www.billboard.com/articles/6415027/music-in-tv-and-film-2014-frozen-american-idol-biopics)

      Quote
      Looking ahead, Lionsgate purchased the Brian Wilson film Love & Mercy in Toronto and has it pegged for a June release with a soundtrack on Capitol.

      Fantastic!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: debonbon on December 23, 2014, 06:00:37 PM
      IMDB still have the release as 26th of December for Aus and NZ but I can't find any listings so I guess that ain't happening.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Rocket on December 24, 2014, 06:29:28 AM
      Need....trailer...now...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Dudd on December 24, 2014, 06:40:24 AM
      SOON.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Shady on January 06, 2015, 02:29:12 PM
      (https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w396/hJjLEQGMNRCu68AjT5SLW1AW0xl.jpg)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: puni puni on January 06, 2015, 03:08:29 PM
      So where's that from?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Shady on January 06, 2015, 03:54:29 PM
      Here

      https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/271714-love-mercy (https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/271714-love-mercy)

      Safe to say I hope it's not the final poster  :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: puni puni on January 06, 2015, 04:15:30 PM
      Yeah it's gotta be fake. The production photos showed a differently styled logo emblazoned on the crew's clothing.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: krabklaw on January 06, 2015, 04:24:35 PM
      Yeah it's gotta be fake. The production photos showed a differently styled logo emblazoned on the crew's clothing.

      I doubt that the marketing firm designed the crew's clothing. I hope that logo's not real though; it seems condescending to BW if it is.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: runnersdialzero on January 06, 2015, 05:05:11 PM
      Plz tell me I'm not the only one questioning ever seeing this given the inevitable numerous historical inaccuracies and one-sidedness of the whole thing? Yeah? IT'S SOUL-CRUSHING :(


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Pretty Funky on January 06, 2015, 05:19:32 PM
      To those that would know. Any chance that is Brian's hand writing?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Pretty Funky on January 06, 2015, 05:50:27 PM
      Not trusting that date till we get it from an official source..

      We've be fooled by fake dates before  ;D

      Still not official but....

      https://www.facebook.com/JohnCusack/posts/10152725065383124


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: jcm on January 06, 2015, 06:17:01 PM
      I think the June 5th date is pretty much set in stone at this point.  IMDB.com has it, RottenTomatoes.com has it.  I should think a trailer would appear by probably March, closer to April though.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on January 07, 2015, 12:12:32 AM
      To those that would know. Any chance that is Brian's hand writing?
      Dunno about that, but I do know that it's from the Love and Mercy LP single http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Mercy#mediaviewer/File:%22Love_and_Mercy%22_single_cover.jpg


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: jcm on January 08, 2015, 01:21:06 AM
      To those that would know. Any chance that is Brian's hand writing?
      Dunno about that, but I do know that it's from the Love and Mercy LP single http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Mercy#mediaviewer/File:%22Love_and_Mercy%22_single_cover.jpg

      Now that's interesting.  That's a GREAT catch, I definitely forgot about that single sleeve.  

      I do hope that isn't the finished poster; for some reason I thought they might use Cooper Black font.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Loaf on January 08, 2015, 02:02:12 AM
      To those that would know. Any chance that is Brian's hand writing?
      Dunno about that, but I do know that it's from the Love and Mercy LP single http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Mercy#mediaviewer/File:%22Love_and_Mercy%22_single_cover.jpg

      Now that's interesting.  That's a GREAT catch, I definitely forgot about that single sleeve. 

      I do hope that isn't the finished poster; for some reason I thought they might use Copper Black font.

      Unlikely to be Brian's handwriting, because why would the art department bother?

      And that artwork is HORRIBLE. It looks like someone wiping their arse.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on January 26, 2015, 12:19:14 PM
      On the Q&A on that other board Brian said he's going to the Berlinale film festival next month for the international premiere. Sorry if this is old news. That should supply a LOT of media coverage in Germany.

      https://www.berlinale.de/en/presse/pressemitteilungen/wettbewerb/wettbewerb-presse-detail_26516.html


      EDIT: It was on the What did we learn thread before I posted it here.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Pretty Funky on January 27, 2015, 11:14:08 AM
      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/berlin-beach-boy-brian-wilson-767501

      Feb 8.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on January 27, 2015, 11:33:51 AM
      I wonder is it only Feb 8th that Brian will appear or is that article guessing? Good few dates here - https://www.berlinale.de/en/programm/berlinale_programm/programmsuche.php?page=1&order_by=1&searchText=love+%26+mercy but probably makes sense he would attend the first one.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on January 27, 2015, 12:02:01 PM
      The person who wrote that probably got the info from the Q&A session yesterday.  :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on January 28, 2015, 12:29:12 AM
      I wonder is it only Feb 8th that Brian will appear or is that article guessing? Good few dates here - https://www.berlinale.de/en/programm/berlinale_programm/programmsuche.php?page=1&order_by=1&searchText=love+%26+mercy but probably makes sense he would attend the first one.

      Yup, as you can read here (if you know German, that is):

      http://www.studiocanal.de/material/presse/LOVE_AND_MERCY_Berlinale.pdf

      I'm sure you're quick to find an English version of that PDF.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on January 28, 2015, 03:34:44 AM
      I wonder is it only Feb 8th that Brian will appear or is that article guessing? Good few dates here - https://www.berlinale.de/en/programm/berlinale_programm/programmsuche.php?page=1&order_by=1&searchText=love+%26+mercy but probably makes sense he would attend the first one.

      Yup, as you can read here (if you know German, that is):

      http://www.studiocanal.de/material/presse/LOVE_AND_MERCY_Berlinale.pdf

      I'm sure you're quick to find an English version of that PDF.

      Thanks. Hope I can get a ticket.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on January 28, 2015, 04:27:11 AM
      You live in Berlin? Get two, I'm coming! :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on January 29, 2015, 01:43:53 AM
      You live in Berlin? Get two, I'm coming! :)

      Yep, really looking forward to it.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Radfahrer on January 29, 2015, 02:56:43 AM
      You live in Berlin? Get two, I'm coming! :)

      Yep, really looking forward to it.

      If I wasn't a poor student far away from Berlin...  :'(  Have a great time! For me too... ;)

      I'm really surprised and thrilled that Brian will come to Berlin. The Boys get far too little recognition in Germany. At least I always have the impression that I have to defend my taste of music whereas listening to the Beatles or Stones seems to be much cooler...

      I'm curious if the movie will be shown in the usual cinemas in Germany. Until now i thought that it will be shown in very few small cinemas in English as a kind of niche movie that the general public won't be interested in. But now there's even a german website for Love and Mercy: http://www.loveandmercy.de/ (http://www.loveandmercy.de/)

      Gee, I'm really looking forward to force all my friends to watch that movie!  :pirate


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on January 29, 2015, 03:13:51 AM
      You live in Berlin? Get two, I'm coming! :)

      Yep, really looking forward to it.

      You look forward to me coming to see the movie with you? ;)


      I'm curious if the movie will be shown in the usual cinemas in Germany. Until now i thought that it will be shown in very few small cinemas in English as a kind of niche movie that the general public won't be interested in.

      Given that it is a studiocanal thing, it probably will be shown in what we in Germany call "Programmkino", I think "arthouse" is the English word, is it? Here in Hannover, if it's considered an indie smash, it will be in the Hochhaus cinema, which would strange enough make me proud, if not it will be the Raschplatz cinemas. It will be interesting.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on January 29, 2015, 03:21:11 AM
      You live in Berlin? Get two, I'm coming! :)

      Yep, really looking forward to it.

      You look forward to me coming to see the movie with you? ;)



      but of course  ;D maybe a few of the other German SmileySmilers might also attend such as Rocker or Lowbacca (note: I'm not actually German)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on January 29, 2015, 04:56:45 AM
      If you can get that many tickets for the premiere, I guess we wil all come! :)

      And what are you unactually?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on February 01, 2015, 07:53:50 AM
      Sorry, it's again in German:

      http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/vor-dem-start-der-berlinale-stars-von-cate-blanchett-bis-brian-wilson/11283924.html

      The remarkable phrase in this one is that in which the journalist claims Brian being on par with the Rolling Stones or "that U2 bard", which though true is not always seen that way.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Radfahrer on February 01, 2015, 08:28:36 AM
      Are you going to see the movie today or one of the other screenings? Can't wait to hear how it was!

      Although I'm still confused why they only published two pictures officially until now. Wouldn't it be useful for reports about the movie to have some moved pictures?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Radfahrer on February 01, 2015, 01:06:09 PM
      Oops, just saw that the Berlinale starts next sunday and not today...  :tiptoe


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on February 02, 2015, 02:38:34 AM
      Tried to get tickets online today but, as expected, the premiere was sold out the second they went online at 10 AM.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Slow In Brain on February 02, 2015, 02:46:40 AM
      Darn I was on holiday in Germany recently. I saw the street signs for the Berlinale festival  but never realised that the Love and Mercy movie would be screened.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on February 02, 2015, 05:05:46 AM
      Darn I was on holiday in Germany recently. I saw the street signs for the Berlinale festival  but never realised that the Love and Mercy movie would be screened.

      Holiday in Germany just now? Fleeing Australian summer? :wink

      Would you have stayed longer if you had known about the screening?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Slow In Brain on February 03, 2015, 02:22:26 AM
      I was visiting family in Germany... If I had of been aware of the Berlinale event and the movie I would have rearranged my dates to suit. Back in Sydney now, back at work. At least the temperature has decreased, I don't really like the heat.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on February 03, 2015, 05:56:45 AM
      At least the temperature has decreased, I don't really like the heat.

      Neither do I, that's why I went to Sydney last August instead of in our winter... :wink


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Les P on February 04, 2015, 08:40:09 AM
      U.S. premiere in March at South by Southwest Film Festival in Austin TX.  Also linked on Brian's Facebook page.

      http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6458339/sxsw-tower-records-brian-wilson-gloria-trevi-jaco-pastorius-films-on-the (http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6458339/sxsw-tower-records-brian-wilson-gloria-trevi-jaco-pastorius-films-on-the)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Mike Garneau on February 05, 2015, 08:15:45 AM
      I'm hoping it comes to theaters on the east coast by summer or autumn the latest.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on February 05, 2015, 08:56:06 AM
      Glimpsed a first mention on TV yesterday of Brian visiting the Berlinale. They used some stock footage of C50 and the B&W Good Vibrations session.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Lowbacca on February 05, 2015, 11:48:58 AM
      I'll probably be there, Sunday night. What's your situation, guys? Who's coming?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Rocker on February 05, 2015, 12:36:54 PM
      You live in Berlin? Get two, I'm coming! :)

      Yep, really looking forward to it.

      You look forward to me coming to see the movie with you? ;)



      but of course  ;D maybe a few of the other German SmileySmilers might also attend such as Rocker or Lowbacca (note: I'm not actually German)


      I'm just looking into this thread for the first time in weeks, maybe months ago. I won't be there but I was offered a ticket by a nice fellow SmileySmiler.  :thumbsup  But I'm not that much interested in this.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Shady on February 05, 2015, 04:14:39 PM
      U.S. premiere in March at South by Southwest Film Festival in Austin TX.  Also linked on Brian's Facebook page.

      http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6458339/sxsw-tower-records-brian-wilson-gloria-trevi-jaco-pastorius-films-on-the (http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6458339/sxsw-tower-records-brian-wilson-gloria-trevi-jaco-pastorius-films-on-the)

      I guess after the amazing reaction to the last film festival they want to enter as many more as they can.

      It's great promotion.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on February 05, 2015, 07:58:46 PM
      Movie Blog: Bill Pohlad’s ‘Love & Mercy’ To Close Out MSPIFF 2015:  http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/02/04/movie-blog-bill-pohlads-love-mercy-to-close-out-mspiff-2015/ (http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/02/04/movie-blog-bill-pohlads-love-mercy-to-close-out-mspiff-2015/)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on February 06, 2015, 05:46:30 AM
      I'm just looking into this thread for the first time in weeks, maybe months ago. I won't be there but I was offered a ticket by a nice fellow SmileySmiler.  :thumbsup  But I'm not that much interested in this.

      Wha...? If I knew I had a ticket for sure, I'd take the next bus to Berlin!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Turtle_13 on February 08, 2015, 05:27:18 AM

      New review from Greg Wetherall from a website called Supajam.


      http://www.supajam.com/review/show/Love--Mercy---Brian-Wilson-biopic-hits-the-big-screen---Berlin-Film-Festival-2015


      Looks like he wasn't too impressed with the film, especially the bits from the 80's period and John Cusack acting as Brian.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on February 08, 2015, 08:54:23 AM
      I hope all Smileysmilers who see it tonight will post their review tonight so I can read them all tomorrow morning! :)

      Unfortunately I wasn't able to get myself a ticket in time. :'( Actually when I found a way this afternoon it was too late to get to Berlin... I wish all of those who get to be there good fun! :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: JasonK on February 08, 2015, 04:51:58 PM
      If anyone else here lives in Texas, on the radio they mentioned that the movie will be featured at the South by Southwest festival in March.  I saw I Just Wasn't Made for These Times there many years ago.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Shady on February 08, 2015, 10:13:23 PM
      Brian and Melinda in Germany celebrating their 20th Wedding Anniversary.

      (https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p296x100/10389550_10153063527047241_6344984158496025647_n.jpg?oh=068379f64e678912f63278b826029201&oe=555C3D39)

      Brian looks good!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Shady on February 08, 2015, 10:18:01 PM
      Brian and Melinda at the photo call

      (http://www.epa.eu/thumb.php/51788505.jpg?eJwljLEOwjAMRP_l5gxxGgfXayckChJBAiYU0bQbA9AJ8e9YYXq6d7r7YIACDsMFSoZrw2iSaSPCnq3cbaHBsDddH8ttfRWzuclsB9EwtmE-Qd_PtTqc__URKt47HCxiCl0fSMK9dmUmSTHFQhMLU5Iy94LvDy96Ib4~)

      (http://www.epa.eu/thumb.php/51788504.jpg?eJwljLEOwjAQQ__Fc4ZcmoTrrZ2QKEgNUsuEIpp2YwA6If6dUzo9-Vn2Fx0EMOgmCCluFb3KQAfmYL2WpyPEKc6qy3O9b--sNlWZ9MAr-jpMV8jntRWDca8HCFtrcNGI2TWtI3aP0uSFOProM82BA0XOS8v4_QEvDCG9)

      (http://www.epa.eu/thumb.php/51788547.jpg?eJwljDEPgjAUhP_LzR14pS2PtzKZiCaWBJxMI8XNQWAy_ndfyvTlvsvdFx0EMOgmCCnuBb1KTw2zd42W5xPEKi6q8_v12NekNhYZ9cAp-jKMA2T77NlgPOobhKvK4KoRs61bS2yfuU4LcXDBJZo9ewqclpbx-wMyEiHE)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: halblaineisgood on February 08, 2015, 10:19:16 PM
      Brian and Melinda in Germany celebrating their 20th Wedding Anniversary.

      (https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p296x100/10389550_10153063527047241_6344984158496025647_n.jpg?oh=068379f64e678912f63278b826029201&oe=555C3D39)

      Brian looks good!
      It's science, man. The closer you are to 80 the happier you get. That's why Brian looks so good.  Lord willing he will turn 80 in the near future and then be as happy as he was when he was a teenager.
      It's a scientific curve of happiness that will only mean more good music.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: halblaineisgood on February 08, 2015, 10:54:29 PM
      (http://www.epa.eu/thumb.php/51788505.jpg?eJwljLEOwjAMRP_l5gxxGgfXayckChJBAiYU0bQbA9AJ8e9YYXq6d7r7YIACDsMFSoZrw2iSaSPCnq3cbaHBsDddH8ttfRWzuclsB9EwtmE-Qd_PtTqc__URKt47HCxiCl0fSMK9dmUmSTHFQhMLU5Iy94LvDy96Ib4~)
      So there's my picture of Brian with a tucked in shirt I've been looking for all these years. He looks good. He looks sharp.

       looks like he's slimming down a bit , doncha think?





      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Pretty Funky on February 09, 2015, 12:22:32 AM
      Another movie next year? ???

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDJ2ez_t4Q


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Nile on February 09, 2015, 12:24:38 AM
      Another movie next year? ???

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDJ2ez_t4Q



       ;D I think it´s just Brian´s good sense of humor!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Autotune on February 09, 2015, 01:35:27 AM
      I like seeing Brian in a suit. He is one good-looking senior citizen. He does look happy and well. Two things:

      1) The tie is great, but too short. C'mon! This is red carpet abc. Makes him look sloppy.

      2) his bended knew suggests his back still hurts.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 09, 2015, 02:52:15 AM
      The closer you are to 80 the happier you get. That's why Brian looks so good.  Lord willing he will turn 80 in the near future and then be as happy as he was when he was a teenager.

      At a rough guess, I'd say in about seven years and four months...  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Lowbacca on February 09, 2015, 01:11:11 PM
      Another movie next year? ???

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDJ2ez_t4Q

      Classic Brianism. I laughed out loud. ;D  Brian & Melinda got a couple of standing ovations, before and after that. The film team, too - rightly so.

      Really good movie.. More later!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on February 09, 2015, 01:26:54 PM
      Thanks Shady and Pretty Funky for the photos and video.  So glad about the standing ovations and looking forward to the reviews...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: John Manning on February 09, 2015, 02:40:06 PM
      Another movie next year? ???

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDJ2ez_t4Q



       ;D I think it´s just Brian´s good sense of humor!

      … and anyway, 2016 is Mike's year!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: pixletwin on February 09, 2015, 03:07:07 PM
      it's difficult to judge (having not seen to movie and all) but I am getting the feeling that after watching this I may be wishing that Paul Dano played Brian through out the movie, rather than just the 20-something Brian.  :-\


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on February 09, 2015, 05:28:06 PM
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2945033/Elizabeth-Banks-steals-sweeping-scarlet-semi-sheer-gown-glittering-embellishment-detailing-attends-Love-Mercy-photocall-Berlin.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2945033/Elizabeth-Banks-steals-sweeping-scarlet-semi-sheer-gown-glittering-embellishment-detailing-attends-Love-Mercy-photocall-Berlin.html)



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Rocky Raccoon on February 09, 2015, 05:41:32 PM
      1) The tie is great, but too short. C'mon! This is red carpet abc. Makes him look sloppy.

      (https://41.media.tumblr.com/a2a51a12496eb6a6b2527b25096aed06/tumblr_njj8oqTomb1qzd1yeo1_400.jpg)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on February 09, 2015, 06:07:56 PM
      Here's a 6 minute video that also includes the part that Pretty Funky posted before:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=726z7v0s-eY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=726z7v0s-eY).


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Shady on February 09, 2015, 07:34:22 PM
      Here's a 6 minute video that also includes the part that Pretty Funky posted before:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=726z7v0s-eY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=726z7v0s-eY).

      Thanks so much!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on February 09, 2015, 08:10:09 PM
      1) The tie is great, but too short. C'mon! This is red carpet abc. Makes him look sloppy.

      (https://41.media.tumblr.com/a2a51a12496eb6a6b2527b25096aed06/tumblr_njj8oqTomb1qzd1yeo1_400.jpg)
        :woot :woot


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on February 10, 2015, 03:14:12 AM
      ......


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on February 10, 2015, 03:16:20 AM
      ......


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: halblaineisgood on February 10, 2015, 03:33:34 AM
      1) The tie is great, but too short. C'mon! This is red carpet abc. Makes him look sloppy.

      (https://41.media.tumblr.com/a2a51a12496eb6a6b2527b25096aed06/tumblr_njj8oqTomb1qzd1yeo1_400.jpg)
      Brian needs to go shopping at the men's wearhouse for the "extra-long".


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Micha on February 10, 2015, 06:13:27 AM
      German TV coverage, Love & Mercy starts at 4:32.

      http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=play&obj=49273

      Few but interesting footage.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: rab2591 on February 10, 2015, 06:30:14 AM
      German TV coverage, Love & Mercy starts at 4:32.

      http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=play&obj=49273

      Few but interesting footage.

      Thanks for posting! That 'You Still Believe In Me' scene looks great!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Dudd on February 10, 2015, 07:47:36 AM
      Oh wow! Shot from the movie at 6:00 - Dano really does look perfectly cast.


      Title: First footage from Love and Mercy
      Post by: rab2591 on February 10, 2015, 07:50:27 AM
      just wanted to bump this with a new topic title...as I think it deserves more of an audience.

      Judd, absolutely right regarding Dano. And Cusack looks like he fits the role nicely. I can't wait to see this.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: bgas on February 10, 2015, 08:19:15 AM
      Bian was scared:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7AcijzTNnsA


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: jcm on February 10, 2015, 09:23:00 AM
      It's awesome finally seeing real footage.  Surely the trailer can't be too far away?  A month?


      Title: Love & Mercy - Berlinale premiere
      Post by: Lowbacca on February 10, 2015, 12:00:52 PM
      My 2 cents on the film and its European premiere at the Berlinale..


      As far as I see it, BW fans can put their minds at ease - Love & Mercy is a very good film. And I say 'BW fans' because this is a film about Brian. Brian & Melinda.
      The BBs are featured in a sizable capacity but the focus is very rarely (if ever..) on the band itself. Love & Mercy is as far removed from being a BBs band biopic as it can be. But this much should have been clear from the get-go.
      That being said, I think it fairly and accurately portrays the other BBs - especially Mike, who naturally plays a key role in certain moments of Brian Dano's young life. Mike is never vilified but depicted as a commercially-thinking rational individual - an aspect of Brian's ultimate breakdown, sure, but only one of many.
      Typing 'Brian Dano' wasn't an accident. Paul Dano is brilliant as young BW, by the 2nd or 3rd scene into the movie he's disappeared into the role. No wonder the real deal was scared (do you remember that "Mr Wilson..." movie theatre anecdote?). Cusack doesn't make it as easy on the audience as Dano does, but in a way he has the even tougher job. And I completely understand people who, before seeing the film, can't picture Cusack 'working' as BW. But let me tell you: he does well. And it's clear throughout that Cusack's heart was in this project. It's an apposite character study of a man who, by the time the 80s got around, was a very complex adult indivual. I was impressed and relieved by Cusack's performance.

      What follows are a couple of random thoughts, still spoiler-free. I don't want to spoil anything. If you have specific questions though, ask away. :) I'll try and clearly mark the spoilers in future posts.

      • Elizabeth Banks and Paul Giamatti are fine
      • Dennis doesn't look handsome enough - by far (no direspect to the actor, who does a good job ;D )
      • VDP was cast well but didn't have many scenes
      • Murry's character was remarkably toned down, but worked in the specific context of the film
      • the film's soundscape is a trip on its own - both vintage and new recordings melting in a potpourri presence of bizarrely beautiful and sometimes scary ambience
      • the unchronological planes-of-reality-jumping narrative structure may prove a bit demanding for the uninitiated, but aptly captures Brian's spirit
      • it is a tremendously ambitious film and not your "run-of-the-mill biopic", as Melinda put it - and it meets most of its ambitions
      • personal highlights include all the Wrecking Crew scenes (FIRE!!), the later scenes with Banks and Cusack, the conceptual soundtrack, the imaginative editing and the mise-en-scène of classic Brianism material (from both Dano and Cusack)
      • Brian & Melinda were received enthusiastically by the premiere audience, receiving a number of standing ovations before and after the screening


      Oh, and I finally got my LOVE YOU signed. ;D  Thanks again Melinda, if you should happen to read this.



      Bian was scared:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7AcijzTNnsA
      I can imagine. For certain scenes it felt strange to know he's right there in the audience seeing that stuff put onto celluloid at the same time the regular guests (only the minority being 'in the know') see it. Not only very intimate things - but you know - damn scary stuff. It must have been weird for decades to be Brian Wilson, but this is certainly another dimension. Quite understandable he was scared witnessing the making of the movie.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Paul J B on February 10, 2015, 12:54:24 PM
      German TV coverage, Love & Mercy starts at 4:32.

      http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=play&obj=49273

      Few but interesting footage.

      Thanks for posting! That 'You Still Believe In Me' scene looks great!

      That was very cool. As I understand it Dano's voice was melded with real vintage BB tracks in that YSBIM scene?  The Cusack scene looks good as well. I think it's going to please most of us.


      Title: Re: Love & Mercy - Berlinale premiere
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on February 10, 2015, 01:09:07 PM
      My 2 cents on the film and its European premiere at the Berlinale..


      As far as I see it, BW fans can put their minds at ease - Love & Mercy is a very good film. And I say 'BW fans' because this is a film about Brian. Brian & Melinda.
      The BBs are featured in a sizable capacity but the focus is very rarely (if ever..) on the band itself. Love & Mercy is as far removed from being a BBs band biopic as it can be. But this much should have been clear from the get-go.
      That being said, I think it fairly and accurately portrays the other BBs - especially Mike, who naturally plays a key role in certain moments of Brian Dano's young life. Mike is never vilified but depicted as a commercially-thinking rational individual - an aspect of Brian's ultimate breakdown, sure, but only one of many.
      Typing 'Brian Dano' wasn't an accident. Paul Dano is brilliant as young BW, by the 2nd or 3rd scene into the movie he's disappeared into the role. No wonder the real deal was scared (do you remember that "Mr Wilson..." movie theatre anecdote?). Cusack doesn't make it as easy on the audience as Dano does, but in a way he has the even tougher job. And I completely understand people who, before seeing the film, can't picture Cusack 'working' as BW. But let me tell you: he does well. And it's clear throughout that Cusack's heart was in this project. It's an apposite character study of a man who, by the time the 80s got around, was a very complex adult indivual. I was impressed and relieved by Cusack's performance.

      What follows are a couple of random thoughts, still spoiler-free. I don't want to spoil anything. If you have specific questions though, ask away. :) I'll try and clearly mark the spoilers in future posts.

      • Elizabeth Banks and Paul Giamatti are fine
      • Dennis doesn't look handsome enough - by far (no direspect to the actor, who does a good job ;D )
      • VDP was cast well but didn't have many scenes
      • Murry's character was remarkably toned down, but worked in the specific context of the film
      • the film's soundscape is a trip on its own - both vintage and new recordings melting in a potpourri presence of bizarrely beautiful and sometimes scary ambience
      • the unchronological planes-of-reality-jumping narrative structure may prove a bit demanding for the uninitiated, but aptly captures Brian's spirit
      • it is a tremendously ambitious film and not your "run-of-the-mill biopic", as Melinda put it - and it meets most of its ambitions
      • personal highlights include all the Wrecking Crew scenes (FIRE!!), the later scenes with Banks and Cusack, the conceptual soundtrack, the imaginative editing and the mise-en-scène of classic Brianism material (from both Dano and Cusack)
      • Brian & Melinda were received enthusiastically by the premiere audience, receiving a number of standing ovations before and after the screening


      Oh, and I finally got my LOVE YOU signed. ;D  Thanks again Melinda, if you should happen to read this.



      Bian was scared:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7AcijzTNnsA
      I can imagine. For certain scenes it felt strange to know he's right there in the audience seeing that stuff put onto celluloid at the same time the regular guests (only the minority being 'in the know') see it. Not only very intimate things - but you know - damn scary stuff. It must have been weird for decades to be Brian Wilson, but this is certainly another dimension. Quite understandable he was scared witnessing the making of the movie.

      Thanks so much for this, and to everyone who has shared links.  I'm really looking forward to the film.  I can't even imagine watching myself and my family being portrayed on screen - here's to Brian and Melinda for being able to take it all in....


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Mike Garneau on February 10, 2015, 01:32:24 PM
      German TV coverage, Love & Mercy starts at 4:32.

      http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=play&obj=49273

      Few but interesting footage.

      Looks cool! I'm impressed with the You Still Believe In Me footage. So far it doesn't look like it will be the disappointment that I thought the other 2 movies were. We'll see though. I have a good feeling about this one though.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: buddhahat on February 10, 2015, 01:59:28 PM
      German TV coverage, Love & Mercy starts at 4:32.

      http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=play&obj=49273

      Few but interesting footage.

      Looks cool! I'm impressed with the You Still Believe In Me footage. So far it doesn't look like it will be the disappointment that I thought the other 2 movies were. We'll see though. I have a good feeling about this one though.

      Thanks for posting, Micha. Looks great. I like the Cusack snippet too.  I don't get the impression he's going for a complete BW impersonation which is fine by me. Can't wait for the trailer.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: NickandthePassions on February 10, 2015, 02:16:21 PM
      Are the 70's covered much in the film? Did Dano undergo extreme personal physical changes?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Lowbacca on February 10, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
      POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD

      Are the 70's covered much in the film?
      No. Hardly at all.

      Did Dano undergo extreme personal physical changes?
      Nothing extreme, but he put on a some weight for a couple of sequences.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Shady on February 10, 2015, 05:41:32 PM
      Lowbacca thanks so much for your review, congrats on getting your "Love you" album signed.

      That interview with Brian and Melinda is so touching, Melinda is obviously very moved by the whole experience, Brian, well he's tough to read as usual.

      As for the clip...wow, just from the small clip alone Dano deserves an oscar nomination.


      Title: Re: Love & Mercy - Berlinale premiere
      Post by: Micha on February 10, 2015, 08:51:48 PM
      What follows are a couple of random thoughts, still spoiler-free. I don't want to spoil anything. If you have specific questions though, ask away. :) I'll try and clearly mark the spoilers in future posts.

      Do they get each other in the end? If it doesn't have a happy ending, I won't go. ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 10, 2015, 10:45:37 PM
      Glad for B & M, they look good in that vid & pics. Dano captured him well, & I also would like to see Giamatti doing Landy character. Thanks, all, for the links & info!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Mike's Beard on February 11, 2015, 12:01:40 AM
      Are the 70's covered much in the film?
      No. Hardly at all.

      Boo. Let me guess - he spent the whole decade 'in bed'?


      Title: Re: Love & Mercy - Berlinale premiere
      Post by: Stanislav on February 11, 2015, 05:09:10 AM
      If you have specific questions though, ask away. :)

      Hi Lowbacca,
      Are there any scenes with LSD? I mean trips, all that some post-psychedelic feelings afterwards?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Stanislav on February 11, 2015, 05:11:00 AM
      And some other question... Was there Dano with beard?


      Title: Re: Love & Mercy - Berlinale premiere
      Post by: Nile on February 11, 2015, 05:13:30 AM
      My 2 cents on the film and its European premiere at the Berlinale..


      As far as I see it, BW fans can put their minds at ease - Love & Mercy is a very good film. And I say 'BW fans' because this is a film about Brian. Brian & Melinda.
      The BBs are featured in a sizable capacity but the focus is very rarely (if ever..) on the band itself. Love & Mercy is as far removed from being a BBs band biopic as it can be. But this much should have been clear from the get-go.
      That being said, I think it fairly and accurately portrays the other BBs - especially Mike, who naturally plays a key role in certain moments of Brian Dano's young life. Mike is never vilified but depicted as a commercially-thinking rational individual - an aspect of Brian's ultimate breakdown, sure, but only one of many.
      Typing 'Brian Dano' wasn't an accident. Paul Dano is brilliant as young BW, by the 2nd or 3rd scene into the movie he's disappeared into the role. No wonder the real deal was scared (do you remember that "Mr Wilson..." movie theatre anecdote?). Cusack doesn't make it as easy on the audience as Dano does, but in a way he has the even tougher job. And I completely understand people who, before seeing the film, can't picture Cusack 'working' as BW. But let me tell you: he does well. And it's clear throughout that Cusack's heart was in this project. It's an apposite character study of a man who, by the time the 80s got around, was a very complex adult indivual. I was impressed and relieved by Cusack's performance.

      What follows are a couple of random thoughts, still spoiler-free. I don't want to spoil anything. If you have specific questions though, ask away. :) I'll try and clearly mark the spoilers in future posts.

      • Elizabeth Banks and Paul Giamatti are fine
      • Dennis doesn't look handsome enough - by far (no direspect to the actor, who does a good job ;D )
      • VDP was cast well but didn't have many scenes
      • Murry's character was remarkably toned down, but worked in the specific context of the film
      • the film's soundscape is a trip on its own - both vintage and new recordings melting in a potpourri presence of bizarrely beautiful and sometimes scary ambience
      • the unchronological planes-of-reality-jumping narrative structure may prove a bit demanding for the uninitiated, but aptly captures Brian's spirit
      • it is a tremendously ambitious film and not your "run-of-the-mill biopic", as Melinda put it - and it meets most of its ambitions
      • personal highlights include all the Wrecking Crew scenes (FIRE!!), the later scenes with Banks and Cusack, the conceptual soundtrack, the imaginative editing and the mise-en-scène of classic Brianism material (from both Dano and Cusack)
      • Brian & Melinda were received enthusiastically by the premiere audience, receiving a number of standing ovations before and after the screening


      Oh, and I finally got my LOVE YOU signed. ;D  Thanks again Melinda, if you should happen to read this.




      Lowbaca, what are the Smile scenes shown in a movie?? H&V? Fire? SU?...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Amanda Hart on February 11, 2015, 09:09:14 AM
      Lowbacca - Thanks for the write up. I was pretty skeptical about this movie, but reviews like yours and others we've seen now actually have me looking forward to seeing it.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Lowbacca on February 11, 2015, 10:37:35 AM
      Lowbacca thanks so much for your review, congrats on getting your "Love you" album signed.
      :)



      POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD

      What follows are a couple of random thoughts, still spoiler-free. I don't want to spoil anything. If you have specific questions though, ask away. :) I'll try and clearly mark the spoilers in future posts.

      Do they get each other in the end? If it doesn't have a happy ending, I won't go. ;D
      Classic Hollywood. :P


      Are the 70's covered much in the film?
      No. Hardly at all.

      Boo. Let me guess - he spent the whole decade 'in bed'?
      No. They do address that myth, however.


      If you have specific questions though, ask away. :)

      Hi Lowbacca,
      Are there any scenes with LSD? I mean trips, all that some post-psychedelic feelings afterwards?
      Yes, yes and yes. :3d


      And some other question... Was there Dano with beard?
      No, no bearded Dano.


      Lowbaca, what are the Smile scenes shown in a movie?? H&V? Fire? SU?...
      H&V - no, not really. Fire - ooooh yes. ;D SU - yes (I only say 'Bernstein'..^^). Then.. GV, of course. And all kinds of other stuff - melodies, lyrics - interwoven in the cinematic texture of visuals and sound. "Mahala lu lei, Mahalo lu la, Keni waka pula.." :angel:


      Lowbacca - Thanks for the write up. I was pretty skeptical about this movie, but reviews like yours and others we've seen now actually have me looking forward to seeing it.
      BBs/BW fans should flip.. it's just sooo rich, and deliciously crafted around the music. What you have to accept (or not, of course) is the focal point they chose. Everyone here knows it's such a complex story with a variety of players and personal 'realities'.. but if you tell a story in the way films normally do you naturally have to stick to certain pre-defined leitmotifs. General audiences might be thankful for the traditional love story element, in light of all the narrative and cinematographic weirdness.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on February 11, 2015, 11:13:35 AM
      Thanks so much Lowbacca...People do forget that it's a film, so it needs to tell a story.  Obsessing over every detail of Brian's life has it's place, and that appears to be here.  But that's not good story-telling, and Brian's life has many great stories.  L&M needed to be a compelling story and by what you're telling us, they seem to have achieved this - not an easy job.  But these filmmakers have already proven that they have what it takes to make excellent films, so my expectations were and are pretty high.  I'm really looking forward to seeing it myself.


      Title: Re: Love & Mercy - Berlinale premiere
      Post by: Justin on February 11, 2015, 02:26:22 PM

      Oh, and I finally got my LOVE YOU signed. ;D  Thanks again Melinda, if you should happen to read this.


      Nice--post a pic!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on February 19, 2015, 06:47:37 PM
      German TV coverage, Love & Mercy starts at 4:32.

      http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=play&obj=49273

      Few but interesting footage.

      Did anybody save this video?  The site says it's no longer available  :(


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on February 19, 2015, 07:02:20 PM
      German TV coverage, Love & Mercy starts at 4:32.

      http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=play&obj=49273

      Few but interesting footage.

      Did anybody save this video?  The site says it's no longer available  :(

      Please tell me someone did, been waiting SOOOOO long!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Micha on February 20, 2015, 12:14:02 AM
      Actually I recorded the original broadcast on my hard disk recorder. So if you're near Hannover (Lower Saxony), come over, and I'll play it for you on my good old tube TV! ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Emdeeh on February 20, 2015, 06:26:29 AM
      Source: http://www.classichitsandoldies.com/v2/2015/02/20/brian-wilson-biopic-love-and-mercy-to-get-its-theatrical-release-in-june/

      "The new Brian Wilson biopic, Love and Mercy, will be released theatrically on June 5.  The film focuses on the troubled Beach Boys mastermind during different periods of his life, with John Cusack starring as an older Brian and Paul Dano portraying Wilson as a young man.

      "Prior to its wide release, the movie will get its U.S. premiere on March 15 at the South by Southwest Film Festival in Austin, Texas.  An encore screening is scheduled for March 17." 



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Emdeeh on February 24, 2015, 06:11:54 AM
      Love and Mercy will also be screening at the Atlanta Film Festival in March:
      http://atlantafilmfestival.com/



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Paul J B on February 24, 2015, 07:16:50 AM
      This release date makes no sense at all. June 5th is not the time of year to release a movie like this. It should have been released last Fall or right now...heading into Spring.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Gregg on February 24, 2015, 07:17:41 AM
      I live in Austin so I plan to see it March 15 at SXSW.  :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: NickandthePassions on February 24, 2015, 07:28:43 AM
      Brian's latest facebook post indicates a trailer ...or something will be out tomorrow.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Wrightfan on February 24, 2015, 07:31:56 AM
      Still can't get over how much Dano looks like Brian. Damn.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Rocket on February 24, 2015, 07:45:05 AM
      Trailer finally out tomorrow!!! Been waiting so long (cue "Can't Wait Too Long"  ;D)!

      I can feel it, this movie is going to be my all-time favorite.



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on February 24, 2015, 08:32:45 AM
      Brian's latest facebook post indicates a trailer ...or something will be out tomorrow.

      Latest instagram post is even more direct:  https://instagram.com/p/zfS_PQAS0e/?modal=true (https://instagram.com/p/zfS_PQAS0e/?modal=true)

      Edit:  the instagram post originally stated "trailer", but has been edited since to state "teaser", FWIW.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - Trailer/first look is out
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on February 25, 2015, 09:07:19 AM
      Trailer:  https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153107392757241 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153107392757241)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Bud Shaver on February 25, 2015, 09:18:18 AM
      The trailer made me cry, in a good way.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: RiC on February 25, 2015, 09:21:30 AM
      Wow! It's just as great as expected. I want to see more! I wish we get the full trailer soon. It looks like they did a good job!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: ThyRavenAscend on February 25, 2015, 09:31:18 AM
      trailer's got me stoked. brb gonna keep watching it all day long.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: onkster on February 25, 2015, 09:33:54 AM
      This looks insanely good. Dano seems to inhabit Brian's very skin, and while the shift to Cusack looks a hair jarring, he's doing that same thing too.

      Of course, I had to watch this 3 times in a row. Wow.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: jcm on February 25, 2015, 09:39:46 AM
      .


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: phirnis on February 25, 2015, 09:43:30 AM
      The 60s stuff does indeed look very good. Trailer doesn't change my feelings about biopic movies being a tad bit creepy, however.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: NickandthePassions on February 25, 2015, 09:58:54 AM
      The trailer did make me tear up, I have to admit. It looks phenomenal, and it gave everyone in the room with me chills.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Wrightfan on February 25, 2015, 10:04:04 AM
      So hyped. Really not sure about the Cusack scenes though. I know he's a good actor but he doesn't look like Brian at all :\


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: NickandthePassions on February 25, 2015, 10:12:19 AM
      So hyped. Really not sure about the Cusack scenes though. I know he's a good actor but he doesn't look like Brian at all :\

      So far, I think he was the best possible choice for an older Brian. Don't know how Dano would look if you added age to him. I think both actors will give a stellar performance.

      God Only Knows fits well with the trailer, but why not Love and Mercy?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: RiC on February 25, 2015, 10:15:51 AM
      So hyped. Really not sure about the Cusack scenes though. I know he's a good actor but he doesn't look like Brian at all :\

      So far, I think he was the best possible choice for an older Brian. Don't know how Dano would look if you added age to him. I think both actors will give a stellar performance.

      God Only Knows fits well with the trailer, but why not Love and Mercy?
      God Only Knows for it's popularity (at least against Love and Mercy), easy as that.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: SinisterSmile on February 25, 2015, 10:19:30 AM
      Looks good.

      Though I still maintain that Cam from Modern Family would've been the perfect older Brian.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Tomorrowville on February 25, 2015, 10:22:55 AM
      This looks better than I expected - I'm looking forward to this.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: puni puni on February 25, 2015, 10:41:46 AM
      official YouTube

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpGVVvkxjhI


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Rob Dean on February 25, 2015, 10:49:07 AM
      Did I spot Gary Griffin 26 Seconds in on the trailer ??


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Mike Garneau on February 25, 2015, 10:53:37 AM
      The more I watch the trailer the more excited I get to finally see this movie. Those scenes look awesome! 1966 era Paul Dano looks amazing. Hooray for no beard-wigs too!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Paul J B on February 25, 2015, 11:09:43 AM
      Looks totally cool!

      Cusack, based on the few snippets we've seen looks to be doing a very decent job portraying Brian.  Very much looking forward to this. ....Still can't believe a worthy project about Brian/BB's appears to have finally been made.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Rocket on February 25, 2015, 11:20:23 AM
      Amazing trailer, this movie is going to great

      Only complaint - When Dano says "I'm going to make the greatest album of all time", he sounds like Marlon Brando in The Godfather  ;D. Doesn't really sound like Brian.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Lowbacca on February 25, 2015, 11:45:12 AM
      Trailer's pretty cool! But trust me - the actual film is far more ethereous and unorthodox. Just like the man himself. :) It's a trip!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on February 25, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
      I was never especially worried about how precisely the actors look like Brian.  What I do care about in this film is what I always care about in any biographical piece: do the actors and the film capture the essence of the person for the story and how good is the story?  Also, is it told with some dignity?  If that happens, we get caught up in the story anyway and the actor owns the role.  That's been proven time and again.  Given the filmmakers involved, I feel good about this.  The actors all have good to spectacular track records and Bill Pohlad has always done quality work.  I'm pleased and looking forward to the film.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on February 25, 2015, 11:50:50 AM
      Trailer's pretty cool! But trust me - the actual film is far more ethereous and unorthodox. Just like the man himself. :) It's a trip!

      Ah - that's perfect - really looking forward to it!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Pretty Funky on February 25, 2015, 11:51:23 AM
      Did I spot Gary Griffin 26 Seconds in on the trailer ??

      Sure looks like him. Why not I guess.

      edit

      From his wiki page.

      Griffin will appear as a session musician in the forthcoming Brian Wilson biopic, "Love and Mercy (film)", starring John Cusack, Paul Giamatti and Paul Dano to be released in the summer of 2015


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Les P on February 25, 2015, 12:05:14 PM
      Incredibly excited about this...even more than I was.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: bgas on February 25, 2015, 12:06:36 PM
      Can I have Elizabeth Banks for Christmas?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Steve Latshaw on February 25, 2015, 12:09:57 PM
      It is Gary...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: lostbeachboy on February 25, 2015, 01:12:18 PM
      Hey what do ya know! Al is taller than Carl.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Lowbacca on February 25, 2015, 01:17:20 PM
      Hey what do ya know! Al is taller than Carl.
      We had that discussion back when the first set photos of the BBs appeared. ;D Has no relevance in the film, though.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Lowbacca on February 25, 2015, 01:26:50 PM
      So hyped. Really not sure about the Cusack scenes though. I know he's a good actor but he doesn't look like Brian at all :\
      Cusack does a good job of 'impersonating' BW spiritually, which is the most important thing.


      As for compliance purely regarding his physical appearance - it's NOT that far off:

      (http://i.imgur.com/d6luRN1.png)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on February 25, 2015, 01:30:25 PM
      Looks pretty great to me!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: bringahorseinhere? on February 25, 2015, 01:39:38 PM
      I wonder if the other 'Beach Boys' have seen it, and more so, what do they think about the portrayal???

      RickB


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Lowbacca on February 25, 2015, 01:41:15 PM
      I wonder if the other 'Beach Boys' have seen it, and more so, what do they think about the portrayal???

      RickB
      Great question for Mike's new message board. ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: beacharg on February 25, 2015, 03:08:20 PM
      The scene in the trailer where Dano "transforms" into Cusack lying in bed is amazing, so far I'm buiyng Cusack's interpretation, it seems he did a good job. The trailer is good, I hope the movie is even better.

      The only bad thing, (I may be wrong) it seems to be that is a hard-core fans movie... I've already read some comments on youtube by people that has no idea who Brian is, and found the trailer unappealing... Let's hope a good promotion can fight that.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Lowbacca on February 25, 2015, 03:27:56 PM
      The only bad thing, (I may be wrong) it seems to be that is a hard-core fans movie... I've already read some comments on youtube by people that has no idea who Brian is, and found the trailer unappealing... Let's hope a good promotion can fight that.
      The trailer - maybe. The movie itself (for all its multi-layered weirdness) is built around a love story that is very relatable. No worries about the film not appealing not general audiences. :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: acedecade75 on February 25, 2015, 03:29:05 PM
       It looks great.  But, I can't imagine how difficult it must be for Brian to watch this himself.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: joshferrell on February 25, 2015, 04:32:50 PM
      I wonder if the other 'Beach Boys' have seen it, and more so, what do they think about the portrayal???

      RickB
      well let's see if the lawyers have  edited the film since it played last year  :lol


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Larry Franz on February 25, 2015, 05:43:26 PM
      Trailer's pretty cool! But trust me - the actual film is far more ethereous and unorthodox. Just like the man himself. :) It's a trip!

      Ah - that's perfect - really looking forward to it!

      The movie looks great, but I think this brief teaser gives the wrong impression: that this is a good-looking but standard VH1 "Behind the Music" biopic. Maybe that's best from a marketing standpoint, but I don't think it does the movie justice, based on what people like Lowbacca have said about it. Perhaps the full-length trailer will give a better impression and make the film sound more interesting to prospective viewers, not just fans.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: lostbeachboy on February 25, 2015, 06:29:10 PM
      Hey what do ya know! Al is taller than Carl.
      We had that discussion back when the first set photos of the BBs appeared. ;D Has no relevance in the film, though.

      Yes I know it has no relevance. Other then the fact that Al is taller then Carl.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Shady on February 25, 2015, 06:30:49 PM
      We can all rest easy, the movie won't be terrible.

      That said I'm not blown away by the trailer, the Cusack stuff looks a bit iffy.

      I'll be there first day of release though, can't wait  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 25, 2015, 07:51:51 PM
      Lookin' great! John doesn't look 1 bit like Brian, but I think I'll be OK with the film in general. Re Brian not feeling comfortable watching it, I disagree. If it were the case, he wouldn't go out to attend 2 festival screenings. I think he knows his worth & has self-respect for what he achieved. Which is how it should be for someone of his caliber. (http://smileysmile.net/board/Smileys/default/cool.gif)

      I'll be there first day of release though, can't wait  ;D
      I'll be the 1st to request it on our local movie uploading site. If I can watch for free why pay for it, right? :3d


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on February 25, 2015, 08:11:12 PM


      I'll be there first day of release though, can't wait  ;D
      I'll be the 1st to request it on our local movie uploading site. If I can watch for free why pay for it, right? :3d

      Wrong  :hat


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 25, 2015, 08:34:21 PM
      Says who? :police:


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: zatch on February 25, 2015, 08:44:21 PM
      Love the scene at 0:26 with Brian and the pianist. :3d

      Also, "I've got different stuff inside me, I've gotta get it out" sounds a lot like Dennis' voice to me.

      Overall though, pretty stoked!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: bossaroo on February 25, 2015, 09:32:30 PM
      I'd say a movie of this magnitude deserves to be seen on the big screen. you're cheating yourself out of a superior experience if you choose to watch it on your computer. there really is a huge difference.


      as for the casting, it appears more care may have gone into properly portraying Banana and Louie than actual Beach Boys. and I can't really say I'm disappointed

      (http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpg/df62518bccad864535b5a39750d56be24630689_r.jpg)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 25, 2015, 09:34:41 PM
      I'd say a movie of this magnitude deserves to be seen on the big screen. you're cheating yourself out of a superior experience if you choose to watch it on your computer. there really is a huge difference.

      Hearing the music in a theater setting is gonna be really great, too.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 25, 2015, 11:28:39 PM
      The movie looks great, but I think this brief teaser gives the wrong impression: that this is a good-looking but standard VH1 "Behind the Music" biopic. Maybe that's best from a marketing standpoint, but I don't think it does the movie justice, based on what people like Lowbacca have said about it. Perhaps the full-length trailer will give a better impression and make the film sound more interesting to prospective viewers, not just fans.

      ... which is precisely why I'll refrain from comment until I see the whole movie. Like all of us here, I've seen crappy trailers of what turned out to be great movies, and vice versa.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 25, 2015, 11:31:07 PM
      I wonder if the other 'Beach Boys' have seen it, and more so, what do they think about the portrayal???

      RickB

      Why would they have seen it, unless they went to one of the screenings ?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Micha on February 25, 2015, 11:42:18 PM
      Like all of us here, I've seen crappy trailers of what turned out to be great movies

      Hm... I think that never happened to me - vice versa certainly, I agree there! ;D

      Haven't seen the L&M clip yet, though.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Paul J B on February 26, 2015, 07:13:22 AM
      So hyped. Really not sure about the Cusack scenes though. I know he's a good actor but he doesn't look like Brian at all :\
      Cusack does a good job of 'impersonating' BW spiritually, which is the most important thing.


      As for compliance purely regarding his physical appearance - it's NOT that far off:

      (http://i.imgur.com/d6luRN1.png)

      This board is amazing. You post this great split image and people are still complaining about John Cusack looking nothing like Brian. He is certainly close enough and in the brief clips (especially the snip where Landy nudges his cheek) Cusack is standing there seeming just like Brian.  I also think a lot of the complaints about Cusack thus far are more about the period in Brian's life on screen vs. the creating Pet Sounds period with Dano. If these two actors were reversed in age and it was Cusack that got the young Brian making Pet Sounds part I'll bet half of the angst people are having about him would vanish.

      If I end up thinking the movie is not all that great it will be due to the narrative ...




      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: jcm on February 26, 2015, 09:12:56 AM
      .


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: GhostyTMRS on February 26, 2015, 06:03:19 PM
      ..and the award for the first idiotic blurb about the movie from someone who clearly doesn't know anything about anything goes to..http://www.vulture.com/2015/02/sand-and-dancing-in-beach-boys-biopic-teaser.html


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Cyncie on February 26, 2015, 06:27:23 PM
      Entertainment Weekly: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/02/25/john-cusack-and-paul-dano-play-brian-wilson-love-mercy-teaser

      Plus, trending on Facebook as we speak!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Kurosawa on February 26, 2015, 08:37:02 PM
      I always thought that Brian looked very different in the 80's-early 90's, like he didn't look like an older version of the same guy like the other BB did. He almost looked to me like he had plastic surgery or something, the way Landy had him dressed and such, he just looked very different. So I think that it will work in the movie because Brian will so so different and so broken from where he once was.

      Very good trailer, it's clear a lot of love and care went into this.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on February 26, 2015, 08:54:34 PM
      The moment where Melinda tells Brian "You need to find yourself" brought a tear to my eyes. From this brief trailer it doesn't come off cheesy. I am so excited!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Bud Shaver on February 26, 2015, 09:26:28 PM
      I always thought that Brian looked very different in the 80's-early 90's, like he didn't look like an older version of the same guy like the other BB did. He almost looked to me like he had plastic surgery or something, the way Landy had him dressed and such, he just looked very different. So I think that it will work in the movie because Brian will so so different and so broken from where he once was.

      Very good trailer, it's clear a lot of love and care went into this.

      Brian DID have a facelift in the 80s.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Micha on February 26, 2015, 11:42:01 PM
      I don't think Dano looks a lot like Brian per se, but I don't feel that's a let down at all. The make up artists, hairdressers and costume designers have obviously done a good job in matching the images we know from contemporary photographs. I'm looking forward to this movie! :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 27, 2015, 12:49:32 AM
      Someone said to me that when they saw the pic of Dano by the pool, they thought it was Brian. Complete nonsense of course, but he does have the look of vague benign bewilderment down pat.

      And the hair.

      Cusack, on the evidence of this trailer and stills, doesn't look to have that depth of characterisation... but to judge from a few seconds is hardly fair. We'll see what the whole picture brings.

      Oh, and...

      "Brian-Past (1960s) and Brian-Present (1980s/early 1990s)."

      Don't know where you're hanging your hat, but here on planet Earth, we're up to 2015.  ;D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: job on February 27, 2015, 10:02:43 AM
      I know John Cusack.  He is one of the greatest and most underrated actors of our time.  He is also a genuine Brian Wilson fanatic.  His only greater obsession in music is with the Clash.  His performance will be incredible...I guarantee it.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: jcm on February 27, 2015, 10:21:15 AM
      .


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Ziggy Stardust on February 27, 2015, 05:33:58 PM
      I would like to know more on the "Old Brian" phase in the biopic, what is it gonna be about really? just the love part with Melinda? does Eugene Landy has a big role in it, perhaps the vilain?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: elnombre on February 27, 2015, 05:43:54 PM
      It really does look promising - and I'm someone who generally hates biopics and prefers documentaries. It certainly looks like it has been made with an admirable attention to little details.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 27, 2015, 09:32:46 PM
      I'd say a movie of this magnitude deserves to be seen on the big screen. you're cheating yourself out of a superior experience if you choose to watch it on your computer. there really is a huge difference.
      There is indeed, so I much prefer to see the movie alone in silence, with all the home conveniences than in a place with annoying noises, people not shutting their mouth up talking non-stop, munching food, exclaiming if they see sth. great or horrible, the phone ringing & stuff. No, thanks. ::) As for hearing music in a theater setting, I can always borrow surround sound speakers from my uncle. Or not, I'm fine with Beats by Dr Dre. :3d

      I don't think Dano looks a lot like Brian
      I agree in a sense that young Brian was more handsome, more strength & power than in Dano who kind of has a look of a weakling.

      I know John Cusack.  He is one of the greatest and most underrated actors of our time.  He is also a genuine Brian Wilson fanatic. [...]
      Really? On account of that, I think I might reconsider my opinion of him. Thanks for telling, job.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 28, 2015, 12:12:36 AM
      I would like to know more on the "Old Brian" phase in the biopic, what is it gonna be about really? just the love part with Melinda? does Eugene Landy has a big role in it, perhaps the vilain?

      Landy as villain... hey, now there's an angle that needs exploring. Never occurred to me before. Might just work.  :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Ziggy Stardust on February 28, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
      It is a, hm, complicated relationship, but in the end, as we see how it ended and all that it caused.. but then, it's a movie in which Brian and Melinda had their word on, so i just have no idea what the approach would be on it?? but he is in there, his role might be small tho, i would love to hear more from Lowbacca regarding this.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: debonbon on February 28, 2015, 04:55:44 AM
      I am really looking forward to the 60s scenes, not super excited about the 80s stuff but looking forward to the film none the less. Seeing those snippets in the teaser of photos we know so well come to life has me giddy.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: thatjacob on March 04, 2015, 10:42:27 AM
      My girlfriend surprised me with tickets to the March 29th showing of this at the Atlanta Film Festival. I'm excited, to say the least.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 04, 2015, 06:21:32 PM
      My girlfriend surprised me with tickets to the March 29th showing of this at the Atlanta Film Festival. I'm excited, to say the least.
      Wow, this film is certainly getting around. I hope next stop is Sundance Film Festival.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival
      Post by: PS on March 10, 2015, 12:10:11 AM
      Sorry - re-post was not meant for this thread, but Howie's Love and Mercy screening thread instead.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Shady on March 14, 2015, 08:44:18 AM
      New still released just before it's showing at SXSW tomorrow

      Hey look who it is

      (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_1bx1EUIAEGoFZ.jpg)



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: John Manning on March 14, 2015, 09:10:25 AM
      New still released just before it's showing at SXSW tomorrow

      Hey look who it is

      (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_1bx1EUIAEGoFZ.jpg)



      That guy's a dead ringer for Mark Linett. When they make a biopic about his life I hope they choose that guy to play Mark.  But who'll play the older Mark?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Lowbacca on March 14, 2015, 04:11:50 PM
      New trailer on Brian's website!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: John Manning on March 14, 2015, 04:22:53 PM
      New trailer on Brian's website!

      MMMUUUUUCHH better. Now it sounds like jewellery…

      https://player.vimeo.com/video/122204460?wmode=opaque&api=1 (https://player.vimeo.com/video/122204460?wmode=opaque&api=1)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Dudd on March 14, 2015, 04:30:27 PM
      Wow, it certainly looks darker than I thought it'd be.
      I'm very, very excited.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: alf wiedersehen on March 14, 2015, 04:32:13 PM
      That trailer makes me tear up a little.
      This should be a good movie.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Capitol Punishment on March 14, 2015, 04:41:49 PM
      This looks like an Oscar-worthy movie. Can't wait to see it in June.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: rab2591 on March 14, 2015, 04:45:45 PM
      That is chilling :o


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Emdeeh on March 14, 2015, 05:13:00 PM
      Not viewable right now, due to privacy settings at the preview's end.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on March 14, 2015, 05:13:11 PM
      Aaaand now it's a private video.  Hopefully they fix it soon, I didn't have a change to watch it until now!!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on March 14, 2015, 05:19:50 PM
      It crashed part of the way through, so I refreshed the page, and now it says 'Sorry! Because of its privacy settings, this video cannot be played'.

      :(


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on March 14, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
      Now the facebook post has been taken down.  Hmmm


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: donald on March 14, 2015, 05:40:18 PM
      More teasing :(


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: 18thofMay on March 14, 2015, 06:13:23 PM
      Guys.. I Cried.
      We watched it as a family my eldest boy was visibly shaken.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on March 14, 2015, 06:16:18 PM
      Can someone please give a description of the trailer? i missed it.

      Thanks


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: puni puni on March 14, 2015, 07:14:15 PM
      Can someone please give a description of the trailer? i missed it
      A lot of Cusack with Giamatti telling 'Brian' that he's not allowed to see 'Melinda'. Opens with Good Vibrations, then segues to I Get Around and God Only Knows for the background music.

      We also hear Dano sing some GOK for a bit. His piano playing is nothing like Brian's four-on-the-floor style which is jarring, but the trailer was generally okay. I'm sure the film is a blast.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on March 14, 2015, 08:00:13 PM
      Can someone please give a description of the trailer? i missed it

      I only "half" watched it while taking care of some other business, but these are things that I remember (not in any particular order):

      - Band dressed in suits (?) at a table with Mike introducing each member by their name.
      - Same beginning sequence of "I Get Around" used in the teaser but fleshed out a little bit and shows the band on stage singing too.
      - Landy snatching food (?) out of Brian's hand while he was sitting on a couch with Melinda.
      - Landy & Melinda during a yelling match about Brian and I'm guessing Melinda calling Landy out.  With a door slamming (?)
      - Studio scene of "You Still Believe in Me" with the plucking of the individual piano strings.
      - Melinda telling Brian that she can't be with him because she doesn't want to use him like everybody else (? might be mis-remembering this one a bit).
      - When the music segued into "God Only Knows", it sounded like Dano signing.
      - Studio scene with Brian and Melinda and Landy behind the glass.  With Brian slapping the glass yelling at Landy (? I think)

      Was looking forward to watching it again, hope it comes back online!

      Anybody save it?  I was only watching it on a phone, wasn't at a computer so I couldn't grab it.

      Edit:  Also, Melinda meeting Brian when he's buying his car / Landy asking Melinda if she knows who Brian is.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: puni puni on March 14, 2015, 08:01:03 PM
      "You are NOT hungry! You only THINK you are hungry!"


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: DennyMac79 on March 14, 2015, 08:15:39 PM
      Can someone please give a description of the trailer? i missed it
      A lot of Cusack with Giamatti telling 'Brian' that he's not allowed to see 'Melinda'. Opens with Good Vibrations, then segues to I Get Around and God Only Knows for the background music.
      Very Landy/Melinda-centric. Opens with Brian inside a Cadillac at the dealership acting strange (his shoes are on the floor by the car) and Melinda seems put off. Landy introduces Brian to her, almost like he's bragging that he knows Brian Wilson. They intersperse some Beach Boys stuff, recording of Pet Sounds, Brian asking if they can get a horse into the studio, talking about how they can't let the Beatles beat them. Split second shot of Murry smacking him as a child.

      The main focus of the trailer though is the Landy/Melinda struggle. They show Landy telling her he's giving her "unprecedented access" to Brian and wants her to report back everything they talk about to him. It shows them on a date but there are 2 other people there (I assume Landy assistants, one might be Alexandra Morgan). Brian confides to her that he's a prisoner and being over-medicated, one of Landy's people coming in with a duffel bag saying it's time for his meds. Brian tells her he hears voices and didn't tell her before because he didn't want to scare her off. One scene in the studio where Brian asks Landy why he can't be with Melinda and Landy tells him he can't be with anyone. Melinda tells Brian she has to walk away because she doesn't want to be one more person trying to use him. Landy angrily threatens Melinda, punches the window of what I assume is her office at the car dealership. Melinda seeing how regimented Brian's life is- yelling at Brian for eating because he isn't really hungry, he just thinks he is. The climax is Melinda telling Brian that if he wants they can walk away from Landy forever.

      There is more, little bits and pieces of their courtship and one of the Wrecking Crew telling Brian that they played with Elvis and Sinatra but he is blowing their minds. Mostly the trailer looks almost like a romance drama- particularly one scene where Brian says Landy makes him say "I love you" 5 times a day, Melinda asking if it works and Brian saying he wishes he had someone else to say it to. That's all I can remember offhand.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on March 14, 2015, 08:18:01 PM
      thanks dudes


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: puni puni on March 14, 2015, 09:18:36 PM
      "The voices in your head are going into the songs?"
      "No, they're going into the music!"


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 15, 2015, 12:25:59 AM
      New still released just before it's showing at SXSW tomorrow

      Hey look who it is

      (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_1bx1EUIAEGoFZ.jpg)



      That guy's a dead ringer for Mark Linett. When they make a biopic about his life I hope they choose that guy to play Mark.  But who'll play the older Mark?

      Chuck Britz ?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: jcm on March 15, 2015, 01:25:16 AM
      Bummer that the full length trailer was pulled.  Must've just been a mistake by the production company to publish it.  Probably will go online soon though, hopefully by early April maybe.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: rab2591 on March 15, 2015, 05:58:35 AM
      It's probably because I know the story already, but that was one of the most powerful movie trailers I've ever seen.

      The cinematography in places really reminded me of 'The Tree of Life' (not surprising)...Not only does this movie look emotionally powerful, but it also looks strikingly beautiful. June cannot come soon enough!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Lowbacca on March 15, 2015, 06:32:44 AM
      It's probably because I know the story already, but that was one of the most powerful movie trailers I've ever seen.

      The cinematography in places really reminded me of 'The Tree of Life' (not surprising)...Not only does this movie look emotionally powerful, but it also looks strikingly beautiful. June cannot come soon enough!
      Beautiful... you can say that again. :'( I'm looking forward to the big wave of audience reviews.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on March 15, 2015, 02:40:32 PM
      Some pics from SXSW Premiere!

      (https://igcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t51.2885-15/10249150_662166247243285_1988323655_n.jpg)
      http://instagram.com/p/0QYoDUo4KT/ (http://instagram.com/p/0QYoDUo4KT/)

      (https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11055949_1565412850411417_1541355040_n.jpg)
      http://instagram.com/p/0QmH6yI4K3/ (http://instagram.com/p/0QmH6yI4K3/)

      (https://igcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t51.2885-15/10725052_845069795539152_1514726652_n.jpg)
      http://instagram.com/p/0QmBA-I4Kp/ (http://instagram.com/p/0QmBA-I4Kp/)

      (https://scontent-lax.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/11008265_424340461066555_1082639916_n.jpg)
      http://instagram.com/p/0QzvIdRY5M/ (http://instagram.com/p/0QzvIdRY5M/)

      (https://igcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10948725_642309112581866_436021252_n.jpg)
      http://instagram.com/p/0QiViHuXEd/ (http://instagram.com/p/0QiViHuXEd/) (Max Schneider - Van Dyke)

      (https://igcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t51.2885-15/11018555_1427097727587336_917874064_n.jpg)
      http://instagram.com/p/0QzkbwxY4k/ (http://instagram.com/p/0QzkbwxY4k/)

      (https://igcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t51.2885-15/10990538_1578436739090880_227099948_n.jpg)
      http://instagram.com/p/0QSmAWSG43/ (http://instagram.com/p/0QSmAWSG43/)

      (https://igcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11049229_798266740256877_1913702584_n.jpg)
      http://instagram.com/p/0QJ0PPvXHs/ (http://instagram.com/p/0QJ0PPvXHs/)

      (https://igcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11005002_888250594551694_620039256_n.jpg)
      http://instagram.com/p/0QXwzOzDS_/ (http://instagram.com/p/0QXwzOzDS_/)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on March 15, 2015, 03:07:19 PM
      Couple more and a short video:

      Short video:  http://instagram.com/p/0Q6M3_pMwI/ (http://instagram.com/p/0Q6M3_pMwI/)

      (https://igcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t51.2885-15/10431999_1559611650979348_1549458686_n.jpg)
      http://instagram.com/p/0Q5MpNM01I/ (http://instagram.com/p/0Q5MpNM01I/)

      (https://igcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t51.2885-15/10661235_423657354475406_2117565696_n.jpg)
      http://instagram.com/p/0Q3zdNH8fF/ (http://instagram.com/p/0Q3zdNH8fF/)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Lowbacca on March 15, 2015, 03:26:54 PM
      THANKS FOR THAT! :-D  Brian is looking good.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Margarita on March 15, 2015, 03:27:38 PM
      A few more things from the trailer not already mentioned:
       - Brian (Dano) in a really ugly green shirt freaking out at the dinner table and screaming at people (tripping?  aftershock?)
       - Brian asking if he can bring a horse into the studio
       - There are a few moments of really quick clips, including Brian as a little boy playing the organ and Murry yelling at him (and possibly hitting him).
       - Brian during the Fire session running around the studio with his shirt open, wearing a fire hat and holding lit sparklers
       - A shot of Pet Sounds-era Brian from behind, wearing white jeans and a light blue short-sleeved t-shirt and looking at the empty Western studio
       - And - oh, this nearly did me in - the trailer ends with a 1965/66 Brian at the mic in the studio, eyes closed and a tear rolling down his cheek.  
      To anyone who has seen this already - would you mind PMing me and tell me what the context of that moment is?  My guess is that it has something to do with the recording session for God Only Knows.  I don't mind spoilers!
       -


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on March 15, 2015, 07:07:45 PM
      Reviews that I don't believe have been posted yet:

      http://movies.mxdwn.com/reviews/movie-review-love-mercy/ (http://movies.mxdwn.com/reviews/movie-review-love-mercy/)

      http://artarius.com/sxsw-2015-review-love-mercy-smiles-on-brian-wilson/ (http://artarius.com/sxsw-2015-review-love-mercy-smiles-on-brian-wilson/)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: onkster on March 16, 2015, 12:23:10 PM
      Anybody been searching for repostings of the second trailer?

      I've been looking...zero luck at all.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on March 16, 2015, 12:55:48 PM
      Anybody been searching for repostings of the second trailer?

      I've been looking...zero luck at all.

      Same here...


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: chrs_mrgn on March 16, 2015, 12:59:23 PM
      moved to SXSW thread


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 17, 2015, 01:45:04 AM
      This movie is starting to seriously unsettle me... because from all the reports, reviews and the like, it looks like that, for once, They got it right. And we all know that just can't be. That just doesn't happen in the World of Wilson.

      Does it ?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Micha on March 17, 2015, 02:33:41 AM
      This movie is starting to seriously unsettle me... because from all the reports, reviews and the like, it looks like that, for once, They got it right. And we all know that just can't be. That just doesn't happen in the World of Wilson.

      Does it ?

      Remember that album, "That's Why God Made The Radio"? :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Lowbacca on March 18, 2015, 01:33:53 PM
      This movie is starting to seriously unsettle me... because from all the reports, reviews and the like, it looks like that, for once, They got it right. And we all know that just can't be. That just doesn't happen in the World of Wilson.

      Does it ?
      That's the one overwhelming thought I had after leaving the theatre - that they got it, got him, right.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on March 18, 2015, 11:47:11 PM
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvgvBjJ6E_s&feature=youtu.be
      yet another press interview w/ Brian, Cusack, & Pohlad


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on March 19, 2015, 04:42:35 AM
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvgvBjJ6E_s&feature=youtu.be
      yet another press interview w/ Brian, Cusack, & Pohlad

      Thanks for that one, so much.  I love Brian's handling of this interview, in that when she was asking about the film making, he referred her to the Director.  As a record producer, he really gets the role of Director in film.  I remember Brian telling me that he wanted to be a film or TV director decades ago.  He does speak a bit in shorthand, or metaphorically - whatever you prefer - but he gets the "mind behind the masterwork."  Being one of those minds, he "gets" another one, like Bill's.  It was Bill's and John's time to speak.  Brian was probably tired of being interviewed by then, I'll grant you, but he was right.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 19, 2015, 04:58:05 AM
      One of the fave tales Steve Desper told me about working with Brian is when he would say say "I want this to sound like a chocolate malt..." or "This should sound like leaves after the rain".


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Micha on March 19, 2015, 06:49:01 AM
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvgvBjJ6E_s&feature=youtu.be
      yet another press interview w/ Brian, Cusack, & Pohlad

      Am I the only one who finds that interviewer a bit annoying? :) Interesting to hear what the interviewed had to say, anyway.

      It struck me funny that in this movie Brian gets portrayed by John and Paul. :-D


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on March 19, 2015, 06:57:03 AM
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvgvBjJ6E_s&feature=youtu.be
      yet another press interview w/ Brian, Cusack, & Pohlad

      Am I the only one who finds that interviewer a bit annoying? :) Interesting to hear what the interviewed had to say, anyway.

      It struck me funny that in this movie Brian gets portrayed by John and Paul. :-D

      I found her enthusiasm infectious. And she's pretty cute :p


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Ziggy Stardust on March 19, 2015, 03:01:53 PM
      The only thing that kinda bothers me, it's just me tho, it's the fact how brown dark Cusack eyes are!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on March 22, 2015, 06:00:15 PM
      Panel interviews:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqzxA9At6vE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqzxA9At6vE) (the teaser kicks in around 1:50 to 2:50, but then there's about 20 seconds at the end of more footage)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v005XX38je0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v005XX38je0)

      Just Cusack being interviewed but Brian and Pohlad are there too.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: GoodVibrations33 on March 22, 2015, 06:21:53 PM
      An article and a video with interviews with Cusack, Pohlad, and Max Schneider:  http://austin.culturemap.com/news/entertainment/03-20-15-sxsw-film-exclusive-interview-stars-love-and-mercy-john-cusack/ (http://austin.culturemap.com/news/entertainment/03-20-15-sxsw-film-exclusive-interview-stars-love-and-mercy-john-cusack/)

      Interesting to note - during Pohlad's interview he says his 10-year old son plays a "very young" Brian in the movie!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Bud Shaver on March 22, 2015, 11:59:20 PM
      The only thing that kinda bothers me, it's just me tho, it's the fact how brown dark Cusack eyes are!

      Which is funny because when I looked into Brian's eyes (the one time I got to meet him) I couldn't believe how blue they were. I'm jusyt glad I didn't blurt out, "Damn your eyes are blue."


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Les P on March 23, 2015, 08:54:20 AM
      From the WSJ article that accompanied the "Sail Away" clip:

      He also says he contributed a new song called “One Kind of Love” to “Love & Mercy,” the forthcoming biopic about his life in theaters June 5.

       I'm curious about this; I don't remember hearing it in the film.  Maybe it was used as background and I didn't notice.

      http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/03/23/brian-wilson-sail-away-no-pier-pressure/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/03/23/brian-wilson-sail-away-no-pier-pressure/)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: shadownoze on March 23, 2015, 09:45:40 AM
      No, I don't remember hearing a new song, either.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Turtle_13 on March 23, 2015, 11:32:36 AM
      Another review of L&M by Ain't It Cool news from SXSW.......

      http://www.aintitcool.com/node/70776



      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on March 23, 2015, 11:47:41 AM
      From the WSJ article that accompanied the "Sail Away" clip:

      He also says he contributed a new song called “One Kind of Love” to “Love & Mercy,” the forthcoming biopic about his life in theaters June 5.

       I'm curious about this; I don't remember hearing it in the film.  Maybe it was used as background and I didn't notice.

      http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/03/23/brian-wilson-sail-away-no-pier-pressure/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/03/23/brian-wilson-sail-away-no-pier-pressure/)

      Maybe they decided not to use it for whatever reason.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Wirestone on March 23, 2015, 11:55:27 AM
      Ya'll remember that "One Kind of Love" is on NPP, right?


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on March 23, 2015, 12:01:19 PM
      Ya'll remember that "One Kind of Love" is on NPP, right?

      Yeah, that's why it's being brought up in this thread.  :)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Les P on March 24, 2015, 09:12:53 AM
      Ya'll remember that "One Kind of Love" is on NPP, right?

      To be honest, I forgot!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on March 24, 2015, 10:30:09 AM
      Elizabeth Banks is going to be on the Tonight Show tonight.  Maybe she'll talk about L&M, maybe not.  I'm going to tune in just in case, though.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: jcm on March 24, 2015, 01:20:12 PM
      Elizabeth Banks is going to be on the Tonight Show tonight.  Maybe she'll talk about L&M, maybe not.  I'm going to tune in just in case, though.

      Thanks for the head's up.  They typically post clips on YouTube next day, too, in case anyone misses it.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on March 24, 2015, 02:37:34 PM
      Thanks!


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Shady on March 24, 2015, 05:34:19 PM
      Elizabeth Banks is going to be on the Tonight Show tonight.  Maybe she'll talk about L&M, maybe not.  I'm going to tune in just in case, though.

      Keep us posted.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on March 24, 2015, 09:12:43 PM
      Nothing about it was mentioned, not too surprising considering it's over two months away from being released.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 24, 2015, 09:14:46 PM
      Nothing about it was mentioned, not too surprising considering it's over two months away from being released.
      I'd say, nothing surprising in general. It's not like she's a good actress anyway.


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out.
      Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on March 24, 2015, 11:43:49 PM
      Lol You're something else, Rangey  ;)

      Btw, Ms. Banks and Paul Giamatti are starring in an upcoming HBO film, "Battle of the Sexes". It's about the tennis match in the '70s between Billie Jean King & Bobby Riggs. So that should be neat. Melinda vs. Dr. Landy in a tennis match  :p


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: jcm on March 26, 2015, 09:41:45 AM
      5 Reasons Why Brian Wilson Biopic 'Love & Mercy' Deserves an Awards Push:

      http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/5-reasons-why-brian-wilson-biopic-love-mercy-deserves-an-awards-push-20150325 (http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/5-reasons-why-brian-wilson-biopic-love-mercy-deserves-an-awards-push-20150325)


      Title: Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews
      Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on March 26, 2015, 10:14:58 AM
      5 Reasons Why Brian Wilson Biopic 'Love & Mercy' De