*Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread

[MugginsXO]

Ron: There are bad examples of long past it artists tapping into a currently relevant genre in order to drum up sales. Sure. Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys have been guilty of it before. I do suggest however that this has been always terminally out of touch -- accentuating further the desperation inherent-- and that pulling a random half qualified rapper to grab those kids in the early 90s is nowhere near to hiring one of the five most important popular musicians in the world to work on a track. Is there a difference between say that Smart Girls nonsense and a sober, inspired collaboration between BW and RZA or Melle Mel at his most lyrical or Afrikaa Bambaataa during Perfect Beat or Outkast when they dropped Elevators?

I agree wholeheartedly that an old man out of touch straining for some relevance in a genre he doesn't understand or value or perform well in is an embarrassment. But it is FAR MORE embarrassing for such a timeless artist to fail to acknowledge or understand a new wave of creativity when it is happening. For Brian Wilson to not be aware of Frank Ocean as a creator worth paying attention to and collaborating with, would in my estimation be a true sign of his unsuitability to tell us anything about anything ever again. The nostalgia train is comforting; it has great seats and a familiar view, but it will not lift you or transform your experience. You want a mishmash of what the harmonies used to be, a half dead perfection bleeding through in drabs get on that phony Produced By solo arse water. Personally I'd quite like to hear a great artist willing to step outside and make a bit of a fool of himself in the ever so slight hope of doing something new and exciting again.

[NickandthePassions]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Pier_Pressure

A wikipedia thread is up.

[Gohi]

Really odd they're waiting so long to announce this thing even exists...

[Shady]

It's ridiculous and disappointing but not that surprising.

 

[Wirestone]

I would suspect that Capitol has all of this covered. The recording has gone on for more than a year. The video was being filmed. The die-hard fans who would care about an early announcement already know all about it thanks to the numerous articles, etc.

I'd say an official announcement next week gives ample time for the hype to build.

[guitarfool2002]

All the hype can and will break here first on the Smiley board! 

[Jim Rockford]

Has anyone pre-ordered? 

[The Cincinnati Kid]

Has anyone pre-ordered? 

Personally I would wait until there is an official announcement.  But for me I enjoy going to the store and picking up an album the day it's released. 

[Jim Rockford]

Has anyone pre-ordered? 

Personally I would wait until there is an official announcement.  But for me I enjoy going to the store and picking up an album the day it's released. 

Yeah. I thought about that, but the only local place that sells new music is Walmart and I have doubts about them having it.

[GhostyTMRS]

Unrelated I know, but Zooey teamed up with another music genius/studio whiz this year too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSJ2Cs-iAXw

[Dave in KC]

Has anyone pre-ordered? 

Yes, of course! Love the album title.

[GhostyTMRS]

Ron: There are bad examples of long past it artists tapping into a currently relevant genre in order to drum up sales. Sure. Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys have been guilty of it before. I do suggest however that this has been always terminally out of touch -- accentuating further the desperation inherent-- and that pulling a random half qualified rapper to grab those kids in the early 90s is nowhere near to hiring one of the five most important popular musicians in the world to work on a track. Is there a difference between say that Smart Girls nonsense and a sober, inspired collaboration between BW and RZA or Melle Mel at his most lyrical or Afrikaa Bambaataa during Perfect Beat or Outkast when they dropped Elevators?

I agree wholeheartedly that an old man out of touch straining for some relevance in a genre he doesn't understand or value or perform well in is an embarrassment. But it is FAR MORE embarrassing for such a timeless artist to fail to acknowledge or understand a new wave of creativity when it is happening. For Brian Wilson to not be aware of Frank Ocean as a creator worth paying attention to and collaborating with, would in my estimation be a true sign of his unsuitability to tell us anything about anything ever again. The nostalgia train is comforting; it has great seats and a familiar view, but it will not lift you or transform your experience. You want a mishmash of what the harmonies used to be, a half dead perfection bleeding through in drabs get on that phony Produced By solo arse water. Personally I'd quite like to hear a great artist willing to step outside and make a bit of a fool of himself in the ever so slight hope of doing something new and exciting again.

According to the new Wiki article, the Frank Ocean collaboration was cut from the album. The article also mentions a member of the band "Fun" now appearing on the album.   

[Wirestone]

Ron: There are bad examples of long past it artists tapping into a currently relevant genre in order to drum up sales. Sure. Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys have been guilty of it before. I do suggest however that this has been always terminally out of touch -- accentuating further the desperation inherent-- and that pulling a random half qualified rapper to grab those kids in the early 90s is nowhere near to hiring one of the five most important popular musicians in the world to work on a track. Is there a difference between say that Smart Girls nonsense and a sober, inspired collaboration between BW and RZA or Melle Mel at his most lyrical or Afrikaa Bambaataa during Perfect Beat or Outkast when they dropped Elevators?

I agree wholeheartedly that an old man out of touch straining for some relevance in a genre he doesn't understand or value or perform well in is an embarrassment. But it is FAR MORE embarrassing for such a timeless artist to fail to acknowledge or understand a new wave of creativity when it is happening. For Brian Wilson to not be aware of Frank Ocean as a creator worth paying attention to and collaborating with, would in my estimation be a true sign of his unsuitability to tell us anything about anything ever again. The nostalgia train is comforting; it has great seats and a familiar view, but it will not lift you or transform your experience. You want a mishmash of what the harmonies used to be, a half dead perfection bleeding through in drabs get on that phony Produced By solo arse water. Personally I'd quite like to hear a great artist willing to step outside and make a bit of a fool of himself in the ever so slight hope of doing something new and exciting again.

According to the new Wiki article, the Frank Ocean collaboration was cut from the album. The article also mentions a member of the band "Fun" now appearing on the album.   

All mentioned on the board already. The Ocean collaboration was never finished, IIRC. The member of fun. is Nate Ruess, and Brian has compared his voice to Carl's.

I suspect there will be more guests, too.

[Jim Rockford]

Sears has the album for pre-order. Release date November 4th. http://entertainment.sears.com/brian-wilson-no-pier-pressure/602537978038

[NickandthePassions]

Right Time - AJ Lead Vocals
Run James Run - AJ Lead Vocals
Last Song - LDR
On the Island - Zooey
Sharing a New Day - Kacey
Guess You Had to Be There - Kacey
Special Love - Frank Ocean
Sail Away - ??

Hopefully Brian will have more than 8 songs.  I didn't realize how much of a collaboration album it was until I made this list...

[the captain]

The Ocean collaboration was never finished, IIRC.

Frank Ocean is expected to release his next album sometime this year. Maybe something of the collaboration--if it was either finished or finishable by Ocean--ends up there instead of on Brian's album.

[Wirestone]

Right Time - AJ Lead Vocals
Run James Run - AJ Lead Vocals
Last Song - LDR
On the Island - Zooey
Sharing a New Day - Kacey
Guess You Had to Be There - Kacey
Special Love - Frank Ocean
Sail Away - ??

Hopefully Brian will have more than 8 songs.  I didn't realize how much of a collaboration album it was until I made this list...

No way it's going to be an 8-track album. The Frank Ocean song isn't on it, for one thing, and I'd seriously doubt Kacey Musgraves gets two tracks. Also, no word if Run James Run is on it at all. You're also missing:

Saturday Night on Hollywood Boulevard - Nate Ruess

My guess is that we'll have an album of around 12-15 tracks, with about a third of them being the celebrity duets. The other two-thirds will be mostly Brian solo with a couple of leads from Al.

[The Shift]

The Ocean collaboration was never finished, IIRC.

Frank Ocean is expected to release his next album sometime this year. Maybe something of the collaboration--if it was either finished or finishable by Ocean--ends up there instead of on Brian's album.

Wasn't part of this "guest" deal that Brian guests on his guests' own albums in return for them guesting on his album? Which must slightly increase the chances of a guest appearance by Brian on Frank's next album… I guess…

[Lowbacca]

The Ocean collaboration was never finished, IIRC.

Frank Ocean is expected to release his next album sometime this year. Maybe something of the collaboration--if it was either finished or finishable by Ocean--ends up there instead of on Brian's album.

Wasn't part of this "guest" deal that Brian guests on his guests' own albums in return for them guesting on his album? Which must slightly increase the chances of a guest appearance by Brian on Frank's next album… I guess…

First time I've heard of that.

[Wirestone]

The Ocean collaboration was never finished, IIRC.

Frank Ocean is expected to release his next album sometime this year. Maybe something of the collaboration--if it was either finished or finishable by Ocean--ends up there instead of on Brian's album.

Wasn't part of this "guest" deal that Brian guests on his guests' own albums in return for them guesting on his album? Which must slightly increase the chances of a guest appearance by Brian on Frank's next album… I guess…

I don't think that's true at all.

[Niko]

The Ocean collaboration was never finished, IIRC.

Frank Ocean is expected to release his next album sometime this year. Maybe something of the collaboration--if it was either finished or finishable by Ocean--ends up there instead of on Brian's album.

Wasn't part of this "guest" deal that Brian guests on his guests' own albums in return for them guesting on his album? Which must slightly increase the chances of a guest appearance by Brian on Frank's next album… I guess…

I don't think that's true at all.

I doubt it was a "guest for guest" type deal but I don't see why any of Brian's collaborators couldn't put the songs they did on their own albums. If the Frank Ocean song was cut from Brian's album, I'm hoping Frank releases it himself.

[MugginsXO]

I certainly hope that should the Frank Ocean collaboration go unreleased that it was not due to the rather embarrassing response to the idea of a credible R&B/Rap fellow being on a Brian Wilson album some months back.

[the captain]

The Ocean collaboration was never finished, IIRC.

Frank Ocean is expected to release his next album sometime this year. Maybe something of the collaboration--if it was either finished or finishable by Ocean--ends up there instead of on Brian's album.

Wasn't part of this "guest" deal that Brian guests on his guests' own albums in return for them guesting on his album? Which must slightly increase the chances of a guest appearance by Brian on Frank's next album… I guess…

I don't think that's true at all.

I doubt it was a "guest for guest" type deal but I don't see why any of Brian's collaborators couldn't put the songs they did on their own albums. If the Frank Ocean song was cut from Brian's album, I'm hoping Frank releases it himself.

I never heard of any kind of song-for-song arrangement, either. Whether Ocean has the right to release any of that material, if it exists in a releasable form, I don't know: my post above was definitely just a pipe dream.

If Musgraves has two songs, though, hopefully neither goes to waste. Last I heard, she planned to begin working on her second album next month, so I'd assume a 2015 release. In that she was touring with Katy Perry this summer, maybe we'll see something more purely pop (not that her "country" debut wasn't pretty doggone poppy) where a Wilson collaboration would fit right in.

[MugginsXO]

Well Frank has said that the Beach Boys were going to be an influence on the new album, though of course that could have changed by now. I reckon his fans would be pretty accepting of the idea of a Brian Wilson guest spot or collaboration.

[Ron]

Has anyone pre-ordered? 

Personally I would wait until there is an official announcement.  But for me I enjoy going to the store and picking up an album the day it's released. 

Yeah. I thought about that, but the only local place that sells new music is Walmart and I have doubts about them having it.

I've actually seen all of Brian's recent albums at Wal-Mart... so you might be surprised, they may stock it.